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Not Many Questions

07/15/2011 9:34 PM

It seems to me that the number of new questions posted on CR4 has decreased to a trickle from the generous flow when I joined the site a few years ago.

CR4 admin must have statistics on the number of new posts per day over time, and I would like you to share that with us. Also, if there is a reason why there are fewer problems to consider, discuss and solve on CR4 presently than there were previously, is there a policy or practical decision that has affected the flow of new questions, and if so, would you share it with us.

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07/18/2011 11:59 PM

Interesting point. In years of old, there was little, if any, censorship on CR4. Expletives did pop up quite frequently. No one took much notice as generally they were used to convey a general frustration with some 'uncontrollable issue', rather than 'at a poster'.

It wasn't all peace and harmony, but generally the 'disagreements' were on technical differences, not personal differences. If it got to personal, or past amusing, other members usually intervened.

Now, one could view many old threads as a 'mob' attacking 'the poster' - Or one could view it as a multiple members dismantling a flawed proposition, piece by piece.

In that context, it is worth noting, when expletives come out, it's because the rational argument has failed - or you are dealing with a person who naturally expresses in that way. It's a judgment call as to which.

So one might ask if the imposition of 'politeness' actually adds to frustration in 'expression' in a certain demographic?

Returning to 'intervention by members': It is also worth noting, in years gone by, such a comment as Tornados' "too far" (made above), would have stopped Out of the Box dead in his tracks.

'Imposition of politeness' has certainly 'put itself above' the need to 'respect', or willingness to 'tolerate'.

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07/19/2011 1:44 AM

In 05 & 06, when you joined you were asked if you would like to help with moderation.

every couple of weeks I would get a thread to look over & a few general questions about the members conduct & whether or not the outcome was satisfactory [was the OP's question answered]

no idea why the system was changed...

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07/19/2011 6:00 AM

Oh now your asking. I may be famous for my memory, but way back then, having been put on to CR4 by Dassault Systèmes, I was 'guest' for maybe a year or three. But being a 'slow joiner', by the time I joined I was already somewhat persona non gratis due to various 'debates' on climate and energy with a few of the stalwarts (and Admin)

So, even though, my research and position on C & E is now largely accepted, and many, including the the same folk commonly quote my work, an invitation to moderate, was then unlikely forthcoming.

But, I don't have any issue with the new moderation teams 'learning curve'. These things take time. And Ok they and I have had a few 'run ins', but they, I believe, came out wiser on such matters as libel and slander and covering their arses.

Do they like me for it? I doubt it. Invitation less likely.

However; the denigration I sense is not due to Admin (qualification pending) but to the self appointed intolerant 'arbiters' of what aught to be allowed to be uttered on CR4.

This is 'whatever Amendment' stuff, cutting across 'free expression'.

That Admin sanctions the interdictions of dictatorial twerps in their clear province, is of course the 'qualification pending'.

But to answer the question, in your question: were I moderating I would be writing PM's to such folk in the tone of this

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07/19/2011 6:12 PM

Oh,

This thread has an unusually high proportion of GA's, always a good indication ot the presence of SAP

I get yelled at regularly by various self appointed protectors [SAP] of the community

my sin being I occasionally comment on the nature of our beloved little goat rodeo or the manner in which people react

overall moderation has come through the learning curve & for the most part let's the community regulate itself

I had posted a comment on a weird thread by steve melito [which Lookfar found to be random] that linked to a blog [which I won't link to] that GS/Cr4 sold to some consulting company.

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07/19/2011 7:21 PM

Thanks Garthh for explaining that random seeming post on that other discussion which is where I found the abuse neither Tornado nor 34point5 seemed to understand, - apologies guys if I did not make the connection nice and clear with a link as Garthh has done, and with more skill than I have. - Said discussion, - (http://cr4.globalspec.com/announcement/389#newcomments). Well that discussion has progressed and levele has been chastised so I withdraw my ire. Cheers and keep up the good work CR4. Geoff Thomas.

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07/19/2011 9:16 PM

I don't get the ire part - a two word 'too far' comment and the 'offender' admitted to having a 'bad day' and explained the incoherent aberration - and his point, still using *** - (at an outside frustration) and now you're happy?

Why? because what you assumed was an attack on a member was not? Or three less ***?

This happens all the time and quietly self resolves because most give benefit of the doubt and avoid making a mountain out of it. That small human fallibility post is not going to 'drive away' readers in droves. Not ones who went to college anyway. Everyone screws up sometime. This is how Garthh and I read it and equally why you thought we didn't 'understand' it.

However the page long rants that the 'polite vigilantes' inflict, not only wreck whole threads, but, as this one clearly demonstrates, attempts to polarize the membership into 'you are with us, or against us'.

Honestly, if people cannot see how divisive this 'intolerance campaign' is and where it leads, there is not much hope for CR4

Has everyone forgotten the OP is based on assumption about a postulated fall in questions - shown unsubstantiated - THEN this 'loss of membership theory' took over?

Has anyone noticed the 'who's on line' numbers are now around a hundred higher than a year ago? I.e have you looked for factual basis for the 'driving away' proposition.

So more 'disturbing' is; everyone is so busy being suck in this bogus emotional miasma, forming camps, digging up other members personal nits to pick at, they have forgotten that 'facts' and 'data' are required to support any hypothesis

Has no one noticed the main proponent has provided zero data to support any 'assertion'? Why? because there is none. It's just emotive opining.

Go back, read it all again, and think of a politician using an invented 'controversy' to divide a community into 'camps', so garner a foothold of influence and so a expand a power base.

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As you may gather Lookfar, most the above is for the 12+ GA awarders for #13 to ponder - but if the boot fits ...

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07/18/2011 11:31 PM

You need to do a better job of identifying pronoun antecedents and people. The way you worded things, it looked as though Moose was an offender. You may also be confusing Moose (Steve Melito) with Capt Moosie, to whom I suspect leveles was responding (but I don't know, because of the unclarity).

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07/18/2011 5:05 AM

I've enjoyed participating in out of the box type questions in the past. Perhaps management might concider a Q&A section?

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07/18/2011 7:12 AM

Far from it, the world is not running out of Questions. It's just that those that put questions onto the Forumn have debated a wide range of issues already. There are certain other websites that specialize in unsolved technical problems. They have a more commercial angle to their agenda. The Cr4 is more general in nature and also more interactive. I personally have found Cr4 to be both informative and inspiring. It's always amazing to see the willingness of people to share knowledge & information with others.

Regarding Cr4, I have been reading (only), for past 3 years, until two of the regulars suggested that I should also contribute to the discussions. This I started doing a few months ago. I must admit that I would first have to go through the long list of previously asked questions before putting on a new question. I would like to see some sort of list of keywords representative of the questions that have cropped up in the past. A few new questions :

1. Name a few parochial problems [that are peculiar to your country or region].

2. Who out there has started to (seriously) learn some engineering outside of their original field/discipline ? And how have you gone about it?

3. What about recycling some old inventions/ ideas that were discarded way back for some reason that could well be circumvented today?

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07/18/2011 7:10 PM

I agree, a Q&A section is a bit silly as the forum is sectioned to ask any question on many different subjects. I was thinking of the point raised by others that the questions are getting a bit blunt, having in most cases, already been discussed. I also agree with your assessment of the nature of CR4, a willingness of people to share knowledge and information. Something I hope to enjoy for a long time to come.

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07/18/2011 12:34 PM

I'd like to wade in on this topic as one of the non-engineers who find this fourm very useful. I've seen the "attacks" launched against some of the questions, I've approved of many and only thought them unwarranted a few times. Yes perhaps there is a kinder way to tell someone they are stupid but I've never found one. I'm not an engineer and I can usually tell when a question is about to be slammed before I start reading the replies, that should tell you something.

I have had the vast majority of my questions answered but i'm careful about what I post. Way back in the beginning I had to explain a couple of time what I do and why I need sometimes very technical information but since then I have had an excellent rapport with the site as a whole.

All I would suggest is that when a lame question or homework assignment crops up we really only need one shot across the poster's bow. If you see such a post and someone has already put the OP in their place, kindly refrain from adding another flame post.

Anyone playing or posting on the internet surely expects some flack. After all if your on the net and not getting flamed? You're doing it wrong.

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07/19/2011 10:50 PM

Maybe the reduction of participation coincided with the introduction of heavy -handed moderation.

or

Possibly the perception that a formerly attractive forum that encouraged the free exchange of ideas, had been stifled by blowhards threatening legal actions, just because a few pointed out a bully& blowhard for being a Bully& blowhard.****

I just threw in the asterisks, cuz everyone loves asteriks***

Or mebbe the decline was inversely related to the increase in the number of pirates.

I'm just sayin',

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07/20/2011 4:03 AM

I haven't read through all of this thread, but it strikes me that there are about 3 sorts of basic thread.
1. Those incomprehensible ones usually IN UPPER CASE consisting of 3 random words, which are generally met with light sarcasm and a request to be more explicit or get onto google.
2. Nonsense pseudo science or religion dressed as sensible discussion which usually degenerate into vitriol.
3. Sensible questions which get met with respect and elicit good answers even if we have to tease out more information.
There's also.
4. The fun stuff which doesn't pretend to be anything else.

I've been in some fairly intense discussion, but generally on the serious technical. I've also been lured into religious nonsense, but I've now learned when to unsubscribe.
I've been on both ends of someone being completely wrong, and when it's a serious discussion, it has generally been sorted amicably.
Of course language can throw up some misunderstandings too.
If it's a serious technical question one needs to be able to argue ones case in order to tease out understanding.
Life's not fair, and one needs to learn how to frame a sensible question and how to deal with this sort of forum, welcome to the 21st century.
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07/20/2011 6:33 AM

i enjoy hearing about peoples own experiences concerning a problem. Mcgiverism was my personal favorite. everyone has a story about having to fix something with baling wire.

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07/20/2011 8:16 AM

many of the answers on this site are either sarcatic or confusing. i understand why people don't want to humiliate themselves by posting a question. gang of 4? who are you ganging up on?

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07/20/2011 8:21 AM

sarcatic ???
Are you havin' a go? Eh? Eh? Fttttzzzz hissssss
Just kidding of course.
Actually I'd like to see an example of a post wihich got sarcastic responses and didn't deserve it.
I can find plenty of post which got a bit of well justified sarcasm.
Here's one I did earlier. Note I still gave a perfectly helpfull answer.
The problem with shotgun criticism of a 'gang' is you may well hit the unintended target, my personal paranoia ensures that I may assume it's aimed at me.
If people want to criticise individuals there is a mechanism to report them or have the balls to confront them on the thread.
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what is the purpose of this blog? i first thought it was to help people in need of advise, but i can't help to think that alot of the answers given are on the egotistical side. i'm an old man, an most of my knowlege has come from experience, though i've been in the structual steel business for 40 years and unfortantly had to deal with engineers who did'nt have the nuts to climb up to the 40th foor to examim they're mistakes. though one engineer did bring a set of binoculars with him in a vain attempt to diagnois the problem from the ground. i know i rub alot of people on this site the wrong way, but then again, i don't have much respect for most of them.

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07/21/2011 6:28 PM

"had to deal with engineers who did'nt have the nuts to climb up to the 40th foor to examim they're mistake"

Now that is annoying. I am a structural engineer with acrophobia. If I went up three stories on a site visit I would risk freezing, bringing danger to me and the poor people who would have to rescue me. If I work on site, I can work my way up, floor by floor, with the structure and I don't have the problem.

It is not a question or "nuts" it is a question of familiarity and common sense. You give the impression that you invite people into your world so you can ridicule them if they are less comfortable than you.

p.s. More often than not, I was expected to buy off on a field screw up rather than a design mistake; "we cant afford the time to fix it or we will be behind schedule, you have to accept our fix". I must admit though, these were generally not structural steel problems.

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07/21/2011 6:56 PM

He did have a point although with modern imaging, analyzing technologies a vertically challenged person would never have to leave the ground or hit the depths of the ocean, which I could never do.

Just haven't got that U-Boat gene , Ky.

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Which bring to mind an OT comment... I heard that Das Boot was coming out in an enhanced Director's Cut. Definitely on my list of DVDs to buy! I sure hope it's in the original German, and not dubbed into English. What an incredibly fun movie to watch!

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Even watching the movies initiates terror in me. Just the lights and the bleeps and bolt stressing sounds.

I even hate going into a bank vault which would explain my lack of a bank gene.

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I understand completely! Believe me. I have similar issues with a phobia that starts with arachni. Even writing that sentence has increased my heart rate. I'm a healthy guy, but I'm quite certain cardiac arrest would be attainable, under certain circumstances regarding that subject. It doesn't make being a wildlife researcher any easier. I can joke about it, but it's definitely no joke.

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I have no fear of anything else but an enclosed space. Lifts? Well, OK because we will all go down or we could play games when trapped. (Is "OK" the opposite of "KO"?)

OBE, now that I know of your weak spot don't upset me any time soon because I have a huge collection of spider pictures (are you shuddering yet?) and could at any time send you one in an OT post.

My brother is like you and one day when he was staying with us and when I returned home I found a hole in the ceiling. He had taken out a spider with a shot gun. Not to mention that he was a blackbelt (not 6sigma) and would take on a Crock his size and wear it out, but spiders? No way!

Funny what the brains can do with a fully developed person. How am I going to explain to the bank manager that I'll need a few stiff drinks before we can go 'in there'? Maybe show him a photo of a spider and make him do it for me.

Ah, before I forget and go OT: Were has the humor gone in CR4? I mean there are still very comical comments being made but I remember times when it was all less 'Nani do this and not that' sort of mingling.

In the end problems were solved and I wonder if there is a ratio between solved problems with humor or solved problems with pure pragmatism, as a 'side engine'. I mean we are all more or less real world people and know how inter human relationships spiel.

What the ones spider is the others second law of thermodynamics. Both impairments are known to have been cured in the past. It's not rocket science now, is it?

What's the name for people with a fear of war? That's me: War and U-boats, no thanks.

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07/21/2011 8:17 PM

"my lack of a bank gene" & Clever!

On the movie thing; there is a clip somewhere on the net, about the 'then amazing' "walk through dolly shot" in, I think, "Run Silent, Run Deep". It's one of those "how on earth did they shoot that?" - as in how did the camera dolly get through all the bulkhead doors (without action pause or cuts). Obviously it's pre-Steady Cam, but would be a quite a challenge even with that.

Maybe affirmation that their all '3 sided' sets on a studio floor, might take the edge off - if such a fear is not akin to the missing bank gene.(still laughing)

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I understand.

For some unknown reason, I'm okay to 40'. Above that I start to get paralyzed.

I can't explain why.

My fear of hights also changes with the particular situation. I can climb a ladder, but anything at the state fair scares me.

If engineers wanted to be steel workers, they would have skipped college.

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Interesting. Fits about mid my 'apprehension zone'. I.e. ~ 25 to ~ 50 feet. Below that I figure it will hurt. Above that, safe bet I'll be dead. But in between is wheel chair and vegetable territory, and that, to me, is far worse than death.

"anything at the state fair scares me" rightly so. I generally refuse to let people I'm with go on rides until I had a good look at the engineering and maintenance and had a bit of a think about the operators approach. E.g. will he "crank it up" to scare the pretty girls, or satisfy the hero boys?

Twice rides I've said "No way" to, have taken lives within the next days. Don't question your intuition when it comes to 'carnival engineering'.

Nor will I stand on the edge of a cliff - based on the reasoning "It's been there for 1000's of years, why would it fall off now?" - before I've had a bit of a look.

p.s. feel free to call me chicken for my banquet of apprehensions

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07/22/2011 12:21 AM

Around my neck of the woods

the years change, but the story is remarkably similar

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Who are the "Gang"?

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07/20/2011 1:14 PM

I haven't been here for ages - been working way too much. And when you have a lot of work to do, there's no time to stop and ask if you're doing it correctly.

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Welcome back bhankiii!

Has it been a "dog's age" since you've been here? LOL

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07/20/2011 1:34 PM

awwww - I guess I should change my icon. It's been so long my poor dog has died.

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07/20/2011 2:35 PM

Sorry to hear about your dog, but it is good to have you back.

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07/20/2011 3:00 PM

As a dog lover all my life, I'm sorry to hear about the passing of your dog. I'm sure you miss him. He's a handsome dude!

[My wife and I have 5 Border Collies & a Welsh Pembrooke Corgi....they're our "children" and someday I ought to post their pic(s) all lined up in a row! ]

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07/20/2011 2:44 PM

I suspect partly it is due to not having "Guest" postings anymore. Yes, anyone can register and ask a question, but a lot of people are just too lazy to be bothered.

For those that do register and ask a question, they can always post as "Anonymous", if they are put off by some of the shenanigans.

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Re: Not Many Questions

07/21/2011 12:59 PM

I suspect it might be a combination of "all of the above." Since I didn't have time to read through all the posts I can't say for sure.

Since many questions have been asked over the years, there is a good database of information on a lot of topics. But how many do a diligent search of this database? I try to, but sometimes that is also an issue of time.

What if this question was the only question artsmith could think of??? And look at how many responses it has produced.

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07/21/2011 2:56 PM

not many questions..........but the bucket here is overflowing with answers.. :)

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Re: Not Many Questions

07/21/2011 3:59 PM

I think the most likely answer is that CR4 eliminated the ability to post without registering a while back (as a guest). Now that people must register to participate, casual browsing users looking for a quick answer are gone. I think eliminating guests was a good idea and in time the number of questions will go higher and eventually exceed the old open forum levels.

Keep the faith, CR4 can be annoying, but it's also addicting.

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07/22/2011 1:17 AM

I hope that doesn't scare people off, but that it does emphasize caution.

In April or May about 20 years ago, my wife and I camped overnight near the top of Half Dome, and hiked down in the morning. The sun was behind us, and as we passed through the mist of the falls, we were not looking at a typical rainbow in the distance--rather, we were immersed in a rainbow of dazzling saturated hues. Drugless psychedelia, we would say.

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07/22/2011 1:28 AM

The latest set of Darwin award winners, crawled over the guardrail & were goofing around...

I can't remember any of the deaths in the past 20 years, that weren't

operator error

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07/22/2011 1:36 AM

Maybe OoBE and CM would like to design some nets....

Until people climb over them, too. Then they can design leashes. Or straitjackets.

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07/22/2011 1:48 AM

I think that thread is a 100%[rounding up]

my response here -33%

[see math really does matter]

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07/22/2011 6:08 AM

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Re: Not Many Questions

07/22/2011 2:41 AM

Did you google it?

but i have noticed that the recent posted questions lack a certain finesse.

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07/22/2011 7:36 AM

Starting to understand the allusion to the cowardly co-efficent .

I'll take 2 to go , please.

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07/22/2011 10:46 AM

Wot? the democracy wall of 1978 has stolen all the questions?

ARRRRRrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh (etc U get the idea)

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07/22/2011 11:06 AM

It's talk like a pirate time ,

AAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR, Avast, matey!!!!!!

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