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Helping a Bad Back

02/06/2012 12:36 PM

Trying to locate some kind of lift assist device for my wife. We just became grandparents and her back has been degenerating for years. Now she is afraid she will get to the point where she can not babysit even for a short time. Simple tasks like changing a diaper involves too much lifting.

I'm thinking there must be some sort of floor to chest level platform mounted to a two (or three) wheel dolly. Maybe I just haven't used the right search phrase.

Any ideas?

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02/06/2012 12:52 PM

You may have to post alittle more information about her issues.

Such as:

is she over weight?

Is it a degenerative issue?

Is it desease such as Osteoporosis?

Is it from injury?

Is she active? (excercise or move around such as walks.)

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02/06/2012 12:59 PM
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02/06/2012 5:15 PM

Closest I could find was a home-made device.

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02/06/2012 10:33 PM

My wife had a similar problem--it took 20 minutes to get her out of bed in the morning, and we thought she was going to be wheelchair bound. Turns out she's gluten-intolerant. She stopped eating wheat-based foods, such as white bread and pasta, and it cured her.

Yes, some of the gluten-free foods are really awful, but if you pay enough (2X or 3X what a wheat-based food costs), you can find pasta, bread, snacks (the best pretzels in the whole world are gluten-free!) that are pretty good. There's a book, "Eating for your blood type," (or something like that) that explains the whole deal.

Basically, you stop eating a whole bunch of food types for 30 days to purge your system, then gradually ease them back in. But you never again eat wheat-based foods.

I see little old ladies and men all hunched over and walking painfully, and I want to say "Stop eating bread!"

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02/06/2012 10:38 PM

Give her my WonderChair,WonderBed.

And you please start using WonderRocker.

Every Human needs to support Spine correctly all their life .

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02/07/2012 2:43 AM

Sheep shearers have had this problem for years and have come up with this solution...

This is the Warrie Back Aid in action....

Hung from the rafters of the shearing shed this allows a shearer to just hang while wrestling with sheep.

For your application a traveling skyhook of some sort through your home would permit horizontal mobility during suspension....

Transforming grandparents from drool to cool.

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02/07/2012 3:04 AM

Many older white women develop milk allergy, which presents as osteoarthritis. Took years to figure out, recovery in three weeks. For degenerative spine, research vertebroplasty, which consists of injecting quick hardening biological epoxy (?) into the vertebrae. Just had a friend fixed, was bed bound with collapsed vertebrae from medical treatments for another problem. Now he's out of pain and straightening up visibly every day. A little hard to withdraw from the serious morphine addiction from the painkillers he was forced to use. I have no particular bias toward diet or machinery to fix people.

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02/07/2012 3:48 AM

As a seventy year old "papa" (six wonderful grand kids 6 months to 12 years), I understand your problem. I had a lumbar problem which was improved greatly with a physical therapy exercise (push-ups from the knees) especially as a preventive measure. Watch your posture when lifting and get some professional help...it can become very serious if you are not careful.

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02/07/2012 6:49 AM

search MSC Grainger etc for "lifting tables" There are many types from spring assist to hydraulic that may be what you are looking for.

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02/07/2012 6:59 AM

Bad back is universal problem for old persons. I had been giving thought to design suitable device so that old person can get up easily from the bed/seat. Lift small loads from floor, walk with support to back. I have not yet been able to implement concept as basic design is yet to be worked out. I will be happy if any of designers in this forum can work on it and solve common old age problem and get blessed from all old persons in the world.

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02/07/2012 7:56 AM

Perhaps the focus should be on the medical end. As a nurse I know that many of the back problems out there can be adequately addressed. most, if not all have some bearing on bad discs and overweight people. If she is overweight losing weight will help the problem. I know this is a two edged sword because it hurts to exercise but at the same time if you dont exercise the problem gets worse. spinal stimulators can help. I have a friend who works a farm he broke his back years ago and has a lot of trouble yet he manages to cut wood and do farm work all day. There are many assist devices out there but getting the most out of medicine first would be the best way. Has she gone to a pain clinic or other surgeons? Most of todays back problems stem from several things, inactivity, obesity, and lack of physical conditioning. physical therapy may help as well.

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02/07/2012 10:57 PM

This is pretty cool...A company called Cyberdyne(hair raises on back of neck)has this exoskeleton for walking called HAL(sic), for sale now....

http://spectrum.ieee.org/robotics/medical-robots/exoskeletons-are-on-the-march

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02/07/2012 1:23 PM

A visit to a gp, ask for a referral to a occupational therapist. It is their job to assist in this kind of thing by assessing and suggesting or providing hoists or other things or ideas

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02/07/2012 3:27 PM

Like Slow Old Poop mentioned there sometimes can be dietary things that cause problems. There are also some dietary things which may benefit your wife's condition. There is a product called Mona Vie - Active that has a plant-based glucosemene in it which provides a lot of lubricity, anti-imflammatory, etc. for joints. You can go on-line to Mona Vie and order some or find a distributor who can order it for you. It may or may not help depending upon your wife's problem, but it sure doesn't hurt to try. It may be a good option. I've had good results using the product.

If you need additional help obtaining Mona Vie or wanting more information please feel free to send me a note.

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02/07/2012 4:28 PM

We tried Mona Vie. Didn't work. Seems to be an ultra-expensive fruit juice that mainly benefits its distributors, who make a fortune selling it.

The woods are full of such "miracle cures." If her problem proves to be dietary in nature, just change her diet. Stop eating bread, for example.

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02/08/2012 8:15 AM

So, you didn't see any visible benefit and that means the product isn't any good? I say visible because we don't see what is happening in our bodies on the cellular level.

Everybody's body chemistry and makeup is a little different and respond or absorb different nutrition differently. That's why the medical providers have such a hard time treating some people and pharma companies spend millions of dollars in research.

By way of whether Mona Vie is a viable and valuable product, I have seen numerous personal examples of people who have benefitted with their mobility, heart (LDL's, triglyceride levels, etc.) and staying more healthy than they were before drinking this product.

Sorry you didn't see any visible evidence.

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02/08/2012 8:51 AM

Drinking açaí-based fruit juice is certainly beneficial, and that's what Mona Vie is. I understand that, as a Mona Vie distributor, you have to make claims that it's better than drinking orange juice to justify its vastly inflated price of $40 a bottle. My whole problem with Mona Vie is the way that it's sold and promoted as a miracle cure elixir that cures everything.

As Newsweek said, "Critics call MonaVie a "legalized scam" that benefits only a few kingpin executives. The product itself, they say, is an overhyped fruit drink that eludes drug regulation by the Food and Drug Administration by letting its distributors (as opposed to MonaVie itself) make the health promises." http://www.thedailybeast.com/newsweek/2008/08/01/a-drink-s-purple-reign.html

Wikipedia says, "Marketers of these products make unfounded claims that açaí and its antioxidant qualities provide a variety of health benefits, none of which has scientific confirmation to date. False claims include reversal of diabetes and other chronic illnesses, as well as expanding size of the penis and increasing men's sexual virility and sexual attractiveness to women.[15] As of August 2011, there are no scientifically controlled studies supporting any health benefits from consuming açaí. No açaí products have been evaluated (in the United States) by the FDA, and their efficacy is doubtful.[16] Specifically, there is no scientific evidence that açaí consumption affects body weight, promotes weight loss or has any positive health effect.[17]

So you are just doing your job as a distributor--that is, making health promises that have no basis. I understand. Everybody needs to make a buck these days.

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02/08/2012 10:57 AM

Mona Vie does not make any health claims and also encourages those who are involved with the distribution of it's products not to make any health claims. Just like any other product, there will be people who unwittingly or ignorantly make statements that shouldn't be made. That is unavoidable and it doesn't mean you throw out the baby with the bath water.

What is the value of a product, regardless of what it is? Is it just cost or how it will benefit you?

As Newsweek said, "Critics call MonaVie a "legalized scam" that benefits only a few kingpin executives. The product itself, they say, is an overhyped fruit drink that eludes drug regulation by the Food and Drug Administration by letting its distributors (as opposed to MonaVie itself) make the health promises."

As far as only a "few kingpin executives" benefitting, that isn't correct. There are people who took a risk and started a business that got to a billion dollars in less than 3 years, quicker than any other business in the market, and they are due to reap reward of taking risk, investing their finances and effort. I also know young fathers and mothers who are home teaching their kids and not tethered to a boss, because of being able to market a viable product.

We should be careful who we take our advice from or where we get information from. There will always be critics when someone accomplishes something big, it doesn't matter what the value or legitimacy of the venture is, i.e. Chevrolet, Dodge, Ford, Wheaties, Cheerios, obama (little "o" becasuse he's small), Jesus, etc.

Regarding MV: there is a great deal of research done by 3rd party, independent laboratories which do show there is dietary value. The FDA does in fact allow Mona Vie to make heart health claims with its PULSE blend.

If you want some information about the Acai fruit that comes from someone who has researched it for a many years and who is an independent research scientist, Dr. Alex Schauss who was awarded the Linus Pauling Lecture Award, who has written quite a few books dealing with nutrition and research, along with Acai, An Extraordinary Antioxidant Rich Palm Fruit From the Amazon.

And no, I'm not a ditributor for Mona Vie. I use the product because it has value to me and works for me, my family and my 96 year old Mom who experiences some relief from her arthiritis (Active blend) and doesn't get sick (M Mun blend). If I can provide something to my Mom to help her stay active and healthy at 96, cost isn't much of a factor.

Just because you may know very little about something (Mona Vie, Acai, etc.) doesn't mean it isn't worth using, or that it deserves negative press (Newsweek and other naysayers who have an axe to grind against a particular business. Dalin Larsen, a co-founder of MV, is a very outspoken conservative [don't read Republican] and a very strong Constitutionalist. Being such, he is not popular with many liberals who resort to badmouthing anything great being done).

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02/09/2012 1:32 PM

Ah yes, as you can see.........you came to the right place....

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