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Is It Safe to Drink Water Boiled In a Microwave?

03/26/2012 2:55 PM

Many people here use boiled water for drinking purpose. I learnt that microwave-boiled

water is unfit for plants. Here http://www.snopes.com/science/microwave/plants.asp

Apart from the cost of heating, is water boiled in a microwave fit for drinking?? This is important to know because like me all who own microwaves freely use them for warming and cooking various food including warming milk and making tea and coffee.

Do we have any recent research available on the subject??

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Just because some scientist who received a grant to study something and then reported some disjointed garbage doesn't mean it is a fact. After the automobile was invented scientists were saying that if a human travels at more than 60 mph in open air it would take his breath away and he would die. This was reported in scientific journals and in the news papers. The only problem was that jockeys riding quarter horses were doing the death defying act on a daily basis. Scientists are saying that people are causing global warming and getting government grants to tell us about it. Your tax money is being wasted on hoaxes. I have boiled water in microwaves since 1972. There has no effect what soever except having to clean up the overflow when I left the microwave on too long when warming up a cup of coffee. By the way it ruined the coffee.

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03/28/2012 4:50 PM

You didn't relate it to HAARP, crop circles and the covert suppression of viable over-unity technologies, so how can I believe you?

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03/27/2012 5:34 PM

Other factors affecting microwave heating of foods....interesting side to the subject!

''....news reports have suggested that this may not be perfectly safe, that if there are chemicals - phthalates and BPA - in the plastic, they might migrate into our food. How likely is this?''


Read more: Dangers of Heating Food in Plastic - Microwave Health Risks - Bisphenol A - Good Housekeeping ...

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03/27/2012 7:26 PM

True. Putting hot liquids in plastic regardless if microwaved or not can release these compounds.

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03/27/2012 5:56 PM

When I first read the question, I thought is he really that stupid? Then I thought maybe he is trying to find out if any of us on the forum have a sense of humor.

Well if you are only trying to make it germ free, it makes no difference where you boil it. You just have to make sure that it boils for five minutes. That will kill all bacteria and viruses known to man. So just bringing to a boil in the microwave will in fact not make it safe.

What kind of non potable water are you starting with? The energy that is being put into the water by the microwave just makes all the molecules get really busy and the friction between those molecules causes the heat. Just like rubbing your hands together will make them warm.

You really are kidding aren't you?

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I wasn't going to bother with this one, but I was wondering where the OT fairy was hanging out.

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03/27/2012 10:32 PM

I don't understand the scalding problem, do you know how difficult it is to fill a microwave with water to the brim?

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That's probably why Kris wants to get rid of it.

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I've been inspired to check for some further 'good science', and conclude that's it's the only safe way to go.

One day, all this will be archived .

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Archived? So that's how it is spelled....

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Where's that damn Good Off Topic Answer button dammit!

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Might be in here

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But of course!

I gave him a Good Answer. Now, where's that damn Dumb Question button?

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Didn't realize ('til I just tried it) that the GA/OT system is still "live" on closed threads.

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Tut! It's one of the things that makes naps more productive.

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Spelt

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I admit I am reading a lot into your concise post, but I am not all that fond of spelt. Someone in the family picked up a bag of spelt pretzels, and they were inferior to the normal wheat ones, in my opinion.

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They make pretzels from small fish?

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Think you'll find that's "smelt", which is spelt with an "m".

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This condition only occurs when bathing in a cast iron tub.

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People in showers need to be even more scared .

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Square Shiney

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I have nothing more constructive to say here.

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There have been a lot of complaints about this thread. Please be respectful of each other when commenting. It's okay to discuss the topic and to agree or disagree. It's not okay to personally attack other users. If the thread or people discussing it aren't something you are interested in then just don't post.

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please keep the conversation friendly. It's just water in a microwave - okay?

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Very good post. Thank you.

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03/28/2012 11:40 AM

I have a microwave much like the one in your picture, but with a bigger carousel.

I've found that when heating anything, including water, it's much better to use the time cook function, followed by setting the power level at 70-80%, and running the cook time a little longer. Everything gets heated much more evenly. It takes some time to get a knack for it, but well worth the trouble.

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OMG!!! I can't even look at that picture safely...

but I digress...sorry dad

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I don't know what happened,

I nuked a cup of water, took it out and made hot chocolate. When I spooned some chocolet in poof.

And then this attorney called.

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Mmm...chocolatey lusciousness...

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And the coincidence is,........'Chocolate' is her stage name. What are the chances. :)

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The Leaching effect may be the culprit.........??

''.................about theories that microwaved food is bad for you, but this is slightly different. Some guy has posted pictures of his granddaughter's science fair project in which she tested the effect microwaved water would have on a plant. The result: the plant died. (Yes, the water had been cooled before she watered the plant with it.) But the plant given water that had been boiled on a stove did just fine. So what does this prove? That microwaved water is toxic? Not necessarily. The guy notes:

http://www.museumofhoaxes.com/hoax/weblog/comments/microwaved_water_kills_plants

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And the Snopes experiemnt, which had more samples and was better controlled, showed the complete opposite.

What does that prove?

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03/29/2012 12:47 PM

This whole thread amazes me. The answer to the question ( is water boiled in a microwave fit for drinking??) is given in the OP...

like me all who own microwaves freely use them for warming and cooking various food including warming milk and making tea and coffee

Do you really need a scientific study to tell you that it is safe to drink a cup of coffee heated in a microwave when millions (if not billions) of people do this daily??

IMO, the better question to ask is, "what is the quality of the water that I'm using to make my cup of coffee?"

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I'll drink, microwave boiled water, to that!

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Ch..shhh..chhheeeers..sh

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03/29/2012 1:09 PM

If you are on top of Mount Everest, microwaving (or whatever method) water to boiling point might not be safe. 69oC wouldn't kill all the nasties in it.

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Good point. Have edf installed a substation there? (Sorry, couldn't resist).

If I remember rightly, even the height gain of a Monroe (no, not Marilyn) can depress the boiling temperature enough to make boiling ineffective.

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edf ? I've no idea what you mean

Next trip I'll try and bag me a Monroe. Lugging a small stove and thermometer would be annoying, but great fun to see the test happening. Negligable extra weight compared to my rock hammer.

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Supplying the South East, eah ?

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I've boiled water 'til it froze. Liquid nitrogen too.

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O.K. Since there have been a few links referring to "studies," I'll add another.

I might have posted the link to this book at one point over the last few years, but I don't remember. (A search of CR4 doesn't bring up anything, but if it was a link associated with words, then a search might miss that.) While not specific to microwave radiated water, the "results" mentioned in the book description at Amazon, says there is some effect -- good or bad, who knows. At any rate, it seems related to this topic and looks potentially interesting.

Hm-m-m.. I just clicked on another link when searching for the Amazon link which is an ebook site. (Further info.)This title is shown as one that can be downloaded. (This is a fee-based download site.) Considering the price at Amazon, for a hard copy, it's pretty cheap -- especially if you find multiple titles of interest. You also, might be able to read the book here, for free.

I've had it checked out for a long time from the university library, I just haven't taken the time to look at it. (A number of issues shoved it way back on my burners.) But I will. If there is anything interesting related to this discussion I'll post. (And, if need be, then duck!)

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I dug up his patent... here

It's been a while since my basic physics class but as I recall the formula for EM radiation is...

speed of light = frequency times the wavelength

In his patent "... electromagnetic radiation having a frequency in the range of 7.2-8.2 Hz and a wavelength in the range of 400-800nm"

so let's multiply the two and see what we get...

8 Hz * 400 nm = 0.06 miles per year... that's the speed of light right???

You can sculpt a pile of cow dung into the statue of David, but in the end you still have a pile of crap....

btw... get ready to duck.

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...depends on IF and WHAT I post. Prevention is always best.

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A quick reading of the portion of the patent you cite indicates a poorly worded description of the "method." Further down from the abstract is this:

"said circuit including a light emitting member which emits flashes of light having a wavelength in the range of 400-800 nm at a frequency of in the range of 7.2-8.2 Hz, said emitted flashes of light being directed at said second end of said column;"

And a bit further down...

"The electrical circuit 18 is shown schematically in FIG. 5. Each of the components is identified with conventional standard symbols in FIG. 5 and is labeled with representative values for its properties, such that no further description is needed. Those skilled in the art will also of course recognize that standard component substitutions can be made, as long as the changes do not materially affect the ability of the diodes to flash with the critical frequency and wavelength which will be discussed below. The circuit is normally powered by a 9V battery which is seated in socket 20 and makes contacts with the contacts 44 of circuit 18. The circuit 18 is designed to cause the diodes 16 to emit visible light radiation at a visible wavelength .lambda. in the range of 400-800 nm and a frequency in the range of 7.2-8.2 Hz. In a preferred embodiment the visible wavelength .lambda. is on the order of 585 nm and has a frequency on the order of 7.8 Hz. (It's hard to tell if the numbers between words are supposed to be superscripts or not. I've left them as they appear on the web representation of the patent description.)

This, to me, clarifies that the 7.2-8.2 Hz is not related to the wavelength of the light, but is only the frequency of the pulsing of the light radiation.

Admittedly, the wording is confusing in other areas of the description.

I know this type of topic raises skeptical concerns immediately. And the patent description is poorly worded (give non-kudos to whomever accepted it as published). It does originate from Russian scientists, but still...

I highly doubt that the publisher of other hard science titles would have been interested in a book based on such an error as you raise. It would certainly draw criticism from other authors published by them, I think. We may, ultimately, decide the "results" are improper, but I think your first criticism isn't correct. I'll still give the book a look.

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Sorry. I meant to apply the following link to the word publisher at the end of my post.

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03/30/2012 12:55 PM

For those who can't access the book online, but who might like to investigate this a bit further, I found the following links:

http://www.bookpump.com/upb/pdf-b/1124783b.pdf (This seems to be the 2005 publication mentioned in the book Preface, and gives the mathematical basis for researching this in the first place. Unfortunately, the PDF is protected from copying the text. But I took the liberty (risk?) of typing a paragraph [1st paragraph of pdf page 9 because it is a verbal capsule of the foundation of the research, but also because it contains an interesting phrase related to this discussion. I've bolded that phrase.]

"An adequate description of a water molecule can only be done by quantum mechanics. In the general case, a precise solutin of the corresponding three-dimensional Schroedinger equation presents a very formidable task. There is one possibility, however, which makes that calculation no only simpler, but more graphic as well. That possibility is based on the assumption that the so-called adiabatic approximation could be used here, which would be possible if different degress of freedom need a widely fluctuating specter of energies required for their inducement. In the case of a water molecule, an electronic subsystem and an ionic subsystem could be identified and, ultimately, movement of the whole molecule could be studied from the perspective of a separate object. These three subsystems determine the electronic, fluctuating and rotating degress of freedom of a molecule. Characteristic energies of inducement for these degrees of freedom correspond to the ultraviolet (UV), close infrared (IR) and remote infrared (as well as microwave) frequencies of the electromagnetic specter."

http://www.lenr-canr.org/acrobat/VysotskiiVthespatial.pdf

http://www.academicjournals.org/jene/PDF/Pdf2009/July/Smirnov.pdf

http://www.springerlink.com/content/l1531774r14765r8/ (I threw this link in because it is a more recognizable publisher to some. The PDF does seem available without a login.)

http://lenr-canr.org/Collections/ACSMarch2010program.pdf (ACS program for 03/2010 New Energy Technology Symposium - He is listed for 2 presentations.)

I found these links by using the search terms, Vladimir Vysotskii properties of water pdf. There are certainly more links than I have taken the time to follow.

Despite the confusing patent description, Dr. Vysotskii is apparently well known and accepted in the scientific community. It doesn't guarantee he is right, but I think these links show he is not a fringe scientist.

The upshot of posting about this book, these links and the quote from the Introduction PDF, is that there may be much more to consider about the water molecule than we have imagined. At least, Dr. Vysotskii and some other scientists think so. My interest is more piqued at this point.

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My typing and proofing suffer when I'm in a hurry. Seems I mistyped degrees in a couple of places -- but I digress.

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03/30/2012 1:39 PM

How can you say these are accepted or respected scientists when in Smirnov's own words "he [Smirnov] did not agree with Backman that peer review or third-party validation of MRET was necessary or even desirable." From court documents... here

Claiming that with visible light, magnets, and a ceiling fan I can somehow change the hardness, alkalinity, and pH of water is absurd. His so called research is a nothing short of a joke.

This discussion doesn't need to take place in an engineering forum, but one on pseudoscience.

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03/30/2012 3:21 PM

Who is Smirnov?

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03/30/2012 3:33 PM

The guy who holds the above mentioned patent.

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03/30/2012 8:04 PM

Thanks for the info. and links that are led to via the initial one.

It appears this lawsuit hearing is mostly about dubious claims for the application of activated water. Most of the time (I can't think of a case), courts don't get involved in scientific proofs or disproofs. It may be an aside, as in this case. (see footnote links in court document)

To clarify, my interest is about the theory. The book and articles/research I cited have the primary name of Vladimir I. Vysotskii as author, not Igor V. Smirnov. It wouldn't be the first time in history that one scientist's associate took a "ball" and ran with, it to make a buck. For all I know, Dr. Vysotskii was surprised and embarrassed by the whole episode. The book was published in 2009 and the suit filed in 2010. The claims in the description of the book do extrapolate the research to application in humans. That may be a leap that shouldn't have been made, or couldn't have been made. The human body is complex and has too many little or not well understood processes.

The lawsuit certainly cast aspersions on the reputation of Smirnov. Maybe you can also find a similar indictment of Vladimir I Vysotskii. I don't know. It was his reputation, as primary author and researcher, that I was pointing to. I didn't think to look for links criticizing Smirnov. I was looking more for a peer-reviewed criticism of the theory behind it all. More specifically, something like: "the author jumps to an invalid conclusion at this point.") If such a specific critique exists I didn't see it in my initial search. It leaves me questioning my previous assumption, that publishers like Springer and World Scientific would not publish pseudo-science manuscripts or articles.

(This has led to me contacting World Scientific to ask what their "peer" review process is, of manuscripts to be published. I can only paraphrase the process since I didn't write it down. According to the editor I spoke with, World Scientific has a 3-stage process. First, the author is asked to provide the names of other scientists willing to vouch for the work done. Second, an editorial staff with expertise in the field of interest reviews the manuscript. Then, in the case of World Scientific, the Editor-in-Chief, looks at the manuscript if it is accepted past the previous 2 steps. The Editor-in-Chief is a Ph.D. physicist who is also owner of the company. He has been a physicist for many years -- now 70 years old. Supposedly, he personally approves all manuscripts for publication. Does this guarantee the final outcome? Of course not. But it seems like a reasonable and reputable way to go about the process.)

According to the lawsuit, Smirnov did state there was no need for peer review or third-party validation. To me that is also an indictment of Mr. Backman. If he felt strongly about that sort of proof, why enter into the agreement in the first place? Money, perhaps? It seems to be money on all parties involved.

Specifically to that point, the court found he was more complicit in the "fraud" motion, which was Allowed. The court stated: "The evidence suggests that Backman not only knew that the health claims were false, but that he willingly engaged with Smirnov in a fraudulent scheme to promote them to others - including vulnerable AIDS/HIV patients - by touting the data of the dubitable Toronto Study." The court goes on to explain the fraud which sounds more like perjury to me. And, again, money is the obvious motivation. (Sometimes people take leaps for academic power, too.)

I did look at the link referred to in the court document about junk science. (Main link, I think) So it seems, we have a Chemistry professor (and his provided links) debunking the idea (Link for the application of the theory applied as Homeopathy, for instance.) vs. a Publisher/physicist (and his editorial review board, w/process) in disagreement as to whether this book should have been published by a science book publisher.

Unfortunately no one person can address and critique all the proposed scientific theories and results published in books, specifically. (But a publisher's editorial board and it's process should be rigorous.) And according to a statement in one of the links above about Homeopathy, "As a condition for publication, Nature asked for the results to be replicated by independent laboratories. The controversial paper published in Nature was eventually co-authored by four laboratories worldwide, in Canada, Italy, Israel, and in France.[1] After the article was published, a follow-up investigation was set up by a team including physicist and Nature editor John Maddox, illusionist and well-known skeptic James Randi, as well as fraud expert Walter Stewart who had recently raised suspicion on the work of Nobel Laureate David Baltimore.[2] With the cooperation of Benveniste's own team, the group failed to replicate the original results, and subsequent investigations did not support Benveniste's findings either.

That the above referred to article about Homeopathy was published in Nature does demonstrates that science publishers aren't perfect. Were they being willfully deceptive? I don't think so. Reputations can suffer.

Despite how it may appear, I have no ax to grind here. I had never looked into the idea of water "memory" beyond checking the book out in the first place. Which I seemingly have misplaced somewhere in my house. When I see or think of something that seems interesting (with my limited understanding), I usually do some initial checking, for scientific -- or any other -- criticism. I usually don't post on a whim. If others can discuss the theory and show the errors in it, I consider myself, better informed than before I posted. In this case, I assumed a reputable publisher (to all intents and purposes) would not knowingly publish something that didn't have a sound scientific theoretical foundation. Debunking should happen at the editorial review level.

Do I think Homeopathy works? I don't know. Do I think anti-depressant pharmaceuticals work? According to a recent story on "60-Minutes," no better than a placebo. But I don't see anywhere near the criticism of their methods. Is bad science any better or different than pseudo-science?

And I think discussions like this do service in an engineering and/or scientific forum, if for no other reason to have readers referred to links, such as have been provided. It is educational. Most of the teachers/professors I've had, have always encouraged questions, even if they seemed dumb. For every question like that asked there are probably 10 people who wanted to, but didn't because they didn't want to look dumb. I've never been bothered by that. (An associate in our research group was "let go" recently, with one reason being, "He made other group members feel inferior.")

Topics like this are addressed by those who have acquainted themselves with information that other posters may not be aware of, via the links they subsequently lprovid, to refute or correct the hypothesis. It is then up to the poster (and readers who wish) referring to such theories or propositions to utilize those links for further education. (And, for me, it means looking at the book, anyhow, just for my own understanding.) I do intend to follow up with World Scientific to see if they can provide me the name of someone who signed off on the manuscript, besides the Editor-in-Chief.) AND, now anyone interested in whether or not "Activated Water" has ever been discussed on CR4 will find it if they search.

Maybe I should have factored in that Russian scientists have been more willing to dabble in these "subjects" than most Western scientists. And for a long time.

As a "for the time being" aside comment: I think Quantum Entanglement is observed, but not fully explained. (And correct me if that is wrong.) Likewise, Dark Matter and Dark Energy are placeholders for lack of understanding. Keeping an open mind is the only thing that leads to new knowledge and perspectives. I'm sure I'll die before I know enough not to post something beyond my knowledge base -- and more things that might appear dumb or too presumptuous.

(My apologies to all for such a lengthy post and for typos, grammatical, and all other errors.)

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03/30/2012 8:45 PM

Not sure if this is a theory but there is no such thing as dumb questions. just dumb answers. And even dumb answers can reveal something.

No apologies for your post, I enjoyed reading it GA. There is another theory of water presented by Dr. Gerald Pollock. The video is long but gets more interesting after about 15 minutes. The event zone is peculiar and may lead to better water treatment. A warning: Pollock has also been proven to be controversial and one to jump to conclusions. Some have claimed his EZ is pseudoscience but I remain open and hopeful for some reality with his theory. At least, I think it explains cloud formation and the like-attracts-like described by Freeman Dyson. Indulge yourself if you have time (58 min). Cheers.

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Thanks. I'll take a look at the video, when time permits.

The unfortunate reality about many "technologies" like these, is that it looks like greed to most people, whether much money is being made or not. There are more "schemes" than one can shake a stick at. Many of them, also, do take advantage of people in desperate circumstances. Especially in the health arena, most people only look at these avenues after it is too late -- many cancer cases, for instance. Naturally, the "success rate" in such cases is asking a lot of any modality. Once mainstream medicine has pronounce a case as terminal, it usually is too late. There are anecdotal exceptions, though. They are mostly dismissed as "spontaneous remission."

Also, in the field of health, there is a lack of interest in investigating ideas that won't lead to a pharmaceutical product. Some funding for research comes from independent resources, but a large portion is funded by the pharmaceutical companies.

Even in the case of "legitimate" discoveries, money tends to trump (speaking of greed, where there's smoke, there's fire) humanitarian feelings. Some rise above this, though. Take Jonas Salk, for instance:

"When news of the vaccine's success was made public on April 12, 1955, Salk was hailed as a "miracle worker", and the day "almost became a national holiday." His sole focus had been to develop a safe and effective vaccine as rapidly as possible, with no interest in personal profit. When he was asked in a televised interview who owned the patent to the vaccine, Salk replied: "There is no patent. Could you patent the sun?"[source]

(And that one sentiment could lead to a discussion about the morality and generosity of gene patenting.)

I do think there are discoveries being made and being overlooked by mainstream science. That is not new. For instance, there was/is "another" way to fight polio that got overlooked for decades.

Unfortunately, money is the driving force behind most human activity. And the prevailing paradigm can be used to easily bury new ideas.

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Update: I did get an email reply from the editor that someone will get in touch with either her or me concerning the "concerns." Stay tuned.

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04/02/2012 9:13 PM

You know that the microwaved fluid contains dihydrogen monoxide!

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OMG!!!!!! Not more of the stuff!!!! PANIC

It's almost as dangerous as Oxygen Dihydride. Please search CR4 - we've discussed these dangerous chemicals before.

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I am guilty of using the term dihydrogen oxide, instead of the dihydrogen monoxide. Leaving out the "mon" is a symptom of a cavalier attitude I have toward dangerous chemicals that started in my college days.

The "mon" modifier is a key to indicating danger: carbon monoxide, mononucleosis, monosacharides: in each of these, scientitsts have inserted the "mon" modifier to indicate DANGER. Money, the root of all EVIL. (Represented by scientists as M = ∑evil^.5) (THERE GOES THAT darn KEYBOARD defect again!)

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If I may mike so bold, sir, I thank that should be[1]:

M = ΣE=-∞ (E0.5),

where E = evil.

Your summation, sir, was indefinite. If (and I mean ef) negative evil exists (perhaps it is equivalent to good?), then M is imoginury.

Regarding the prefix "mon" - this also appears in the doadly substance coded E621 and known as Monosodium Glutamate (Oral rat LD50 = 16600 mg/kg).

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[1] As best as can be represented with the available character set. I grunt that I have the advuntage of a mistly fonctyonal kaybeard.

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Corruction! "... then M is imoginury cumplex."

Profound apologies.

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No apologies required. I appreciate your taking the time to make the erection.

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A rat during the dihydrogen monoxide LD50 test:

In this trial, the rat is still alive, even at a dosage of 1,000,000 MG/KGo. SORRY for the MG vs MG confusion that cums about from my keyBOARD limitation. I'M sure that from context, you can see that I meant MG, not MG.

DM is so lethal that the test results had to be clarified to include that little o after the KG. You can appreciate the math glitch that occurs when the rat mass increases dramatically as a result of the dose. Thus the o to mean "original."

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