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RF and Brain

05/09/2012 11:56 AM

If the brain works with electric signal then do you think boom of radio waves changed the pattern of natural human thinking?

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05/09/2012 12:18 PM
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05/09/2012 12:31 PM

Thanks for the link.I could see the research is recently started.I don't think there is a valuable proof for not interfering our thought pattern. It is also noted that someone asked the question before.

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05/10/2012 6:00 PM

i think i saw you a walmart. put a ground wire on that thing. a short one please.

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05/09/2012 12:33 PM

AM talk radio only holds sway over the feeble minded.

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05/09/2012 1:08 PM

The RF energy itself from radio transmissions has no effect on the brain. As for the information carried by a radio, the most recent documentary that comes to my mind on the horror this can create is "Hotel Rwanda".

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05/09/2012 1:30 PM

Thinking only? What about general, long-term health?

This paper answers maybe. (Methodology explained in paper.) This report, while mainly considering South American countries, is quite detailed. U.S. FCC Bulletin 65, which is cited in this report, can be found here. Another determination here. (Note the wording included here, "So far, human experimental research has failed to yield consistent evidence of an effect of RF on humans at permitted exposure levels." [??] My brackets. The very word "permitted" implies unsafe levels have been explored or researched. Where, is the question. Maybe I can look for that some other time.)

To prove there is no effect would be difficult, though. The sea of radiation we live in is our baseline; the norm. Studies would have to be done in shielded environments (or maybe even very rural), as a control, and then compared to the norm. Because a test subject can't be in 2 different environments concurrently (or without difficulty, at least), multiple subjects would have to be compared, preferably in real time. Since there is a good likelihood that individuals would show any effects differently, it would still be hard to know for certain without extensive testing. Short of that and results might still be more apples to oranges than desired.

My gut tells me there is an effect but since we are all subjected to it, and can't live, practically, away from it, there is little do be done, even if we could show an effect. Well, I guess we could design suits and/or helmets to wear. We do know overexposure to sun rays can be harmful. So we try to limit our time in direct sunlight, or use rising or setting rays, which are potentially less harmful.

The question also, likely, brings up the a thought about cell phone radiation, which is very controversial. But an NPR story/article cites some measurable change. I mention this more to point up how many processes in the body do we, or can we, monitor for effects and changes? How do we know we aren't missing something?

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05/09/2012 4:54 PM

Kind of got lost when you said "apples", but I think I get your main idea, and I'd say that RF have an impact on your body depending on their frequency, microwaves are RF but of a frequency so high, that they're almost infrared light¹ but even at that frequency you have to reach power outputs of a few hundred watts and be close to the source in order to for example, warm up a glass of water.

Very rural areas receive an ammount of radiation that is not very different to the existing in cities, comming from cosmic rays¹: UV, infrared, α, β, γ etc. and telecom¹.

Solar winds can set on fire a rancho if induce enough eddy currents on a steel fork stuck on hay, but even then you see the people acting as crazy as everyday, execpt in the cities, where many loose money due to the loss of telecomunications.

Don't be affraid of cell phones, they don't have enough output power to cook popcorn, in fact they don't have enough power output even to give your frozen fingers and ear any relief during winter.

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¹ Just another region of the electromagnetic spectrum.

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05/09/2012 6:26 PM

I'm not really afraid of cell phones... I hate them in general. I am wary of them, though. There is information that suggests the real effect of using them only occurs after 10-15 years of use.

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05/10/2012 12:51 AM

Are you sure? Two phones cooking an egg here

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05/10/2012 9:16 AM

Good grief. You start with a hard boiled egg and you get a hard boiled egg. You'll notice that the cracked open egg is neither warm nor steaming when this huckster cracks it open after having it next to the two cell phones.

I just got a tweet that an African prince needs to hide some money from his in-laws.

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05/09/2012 6:46 PM

'...The very word "permitted" implies unsafe levels....'

You don't need the word ''permitted'' to let you know something has unsafe levels. You can safely assume just about everything has an unsafe level.

Quantity really is important. A one time dose somewhere at or above 20g vitamin C per kg body mass will probably kill you fairly rapidly. This does not make vitamin C a threat, even though it is pervasive in our foodstuff.

'...To prove there is no effect...'

Proving there is no effect isn't just hard, it is next to impossible and definitely not a useful goal.

The same frequencies are used by some cordless home phones, some microwave ovens, and some wireless internet hardware. Also, the halogens in my cooker put out a similar bandwidth as my automobile headlights. You shouldn't worry more about your brain being cooked by the wireless internet than you would about your brain being cooked when I flash my high-beams.

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05/09/2012 1:31 PM

Of course it has. Just look around you. The effect is more profound in the female of the species.

In women of most modern countries with radio waves, it causes the insane fixation on removing all remnants of bodily hair, with the exception of the head, where they are known to selectively pull hairs from noses, eyebrows and ears.

This is not, "natural human thinking".

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05/09/2012 5:53 PM

I hear France has hairy women...could they possibly be shielded in some way?

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05/09/2012 2:33 PM

Most diffidently,

Have you ever pulled up to a stop sign and look at the car next to you and see this

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05/09/2012 9:20 PM

I think those would be sound waves as opposed to radio waves...Good creative exploration though...

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05/10/2012 7:42 AM

I caught the cassette after I posted. . technically its all energy on different scale of the spectrum.

But I'm sure people experienced that at a stop light when a car pulls up next to you with the bass going right through you, and the teen driver just jammin' away....

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05/10/2012 1:12 AM

The boom of anything can cause that.

BUT, then again a brain is presumed to be there in the first place.

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05/10/2012 2:10 AM

I believe radio waves are not the problem. The one thing that must have influenced the human thoughts has to be all the lead pumped into our atmosphere before unleaded gas. And I believe aircraft are still using leaded gas. Lead poisoning has brought down entire civilizations before, I dont see how we can be immune to this, and there are times I think the whole world has gone crazy. And that does not even mention all the radiation from nuclear test explosions which also could be affecting thought patterns. Maybe all these things will cause us to evolve into another life form. Maybe the end of the human race is closer than we think. Maybe I have been sitting too close to the radio......

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05/10/2012 5:55 PM

i live near a set of high voltage power lines that lead from a nearby power plant. the power company has bought homes then demolished them if they were within aprox. two or three hundred yards of the power lines. during a light rain or even heavey fog, the lines snap loud enough that many people won't get near them, me included.

the government maintains there's no danger. some studies indicate they do.

the bottom line, no government agency will never admit that rf signals are harmful.

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05/11/2012 3:40 AM

That is very interesting as my house is two hundred yards from the power lines. I can go underneath them and hold up a flourescent bulb and it will light up. A few years ago I had to put up a fence that ran under the lines during a snowstorm. (I was bored) The next day a power line crew came through and asked me about the fence. When I told them I put it up the night before they got real exited and put in a bunch of ground wires. So maybe Im not sitting too close to the radio, maybe its the power lines ?

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05/11/2012 11:53 AM

As an interesting (at least to me) aside... when I was very young, we had a double fluorescent light fixture with a mirror/medicine chest in the middle (between the vertically oriented tubes) in our small half bath. Once, in the middle of the night, I was about to turn the lights on via the switch on the side of the cabinet and noticed that both tubes had a faint glow when I was touching the switch. (Lacking a true earth ground, I suppose. Nonetheless, interesting.) From then on, whenever I would go in the bathroom in the during wee hours of the night, I would touch the switch just to see the tubes glow. Simple entertainment for simple minds, I guess.

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