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Overload Relay Selection

06/30/2012 3:05 AM

How can we select an overload relay for a particular motor & what will the set value(Amp) of same motor. Please define by assuming a 20 hp, 3 phase, 480 v motor.

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06/30/2012 4:21 AM

Well, the range of the overload has to embrace the full load current of the motor at the operating voltage, Boss, which is given on the rating plate permanently attached to the motor. Simply set the overload to that figure.

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06/30/2012 7:43 AM

Should we assume this is a homework question?

The idea of homework is you do it yourself.

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06/30/2012 1:03 PM

The ONLY correct answer is, whatever the manufacturer of the overload relay says in their instructions / manual.

Some manufacturers already factor-in the "pick-up point" and want you to set the OL dial to exactly the motor nameplate FLC, some do NOT factor in the pick-up pont and require YOU to decide on that when setting the dial. Some are ambient compensated, some are not and the adjustment must be factored by you for differences between the motor and controller ambient temperature differences.

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07/02/2012 1:42 AM

Bimetallic overload relays respond to increased heating, but can't respond fast to rapid change in current condition. They are less sensitive to phase loss (particularly if the motor is lightly loaded) and motor stalled condition. They typically are unable to compensate for ambient temperature variations without constant adjustment. Hence these relays are not very suitable to protect motors which are critical in process plant application.

Alternatively, solid state type over current relays can be used for critical motor applications. Rather than relying on the thermal characteristics of the bimetal relay, the electronic over current relay (EOCR) measure the actual current drawn by the motor. This current is used to calculate the i2t heating condition and also eliminates the time lag inherent in thermal devices.

The EOCR has inherently inverse definite minimum time (IDMT) characteristics and can be set to trip the motor if it takes 105% or 110% of rated current for longer duration (typically more than one minute) and will not trip the motor during starting condition unless the locked rotor condition continues for longer duration (say more than 10 sec depending on the load inertia). This device also reacts much faster in single phasing condition. The higher sensitivity with respect to single phasing condition can be enhanced by providing a negative sequence current filter. EOCR is completely unaffected by thermal changes in the environment.

The relay is marginally costlier as compared to the bimetallic thermal overload relay. Its setting is linear (not in steps) and flexible.

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07/01/2012 5:09 AM

The problem if the OL has instantaneous setting that will trip the motor during starting. Maybe we can extend the response time of the relay not to response with the inrush current during starting.

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07/01/2012 6:37 PM

The problem if the OL has instantaneous setting that will trip the motor during starting. Maybe we can extend the response time of the relay not to response with the inrush current during starting.

Overload relays are all based on I2T curves, they do not trip on starting current, unless the motor stalls and current exceeds the thermal damage curve of the motor.

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07/02/2012 2:39 AM

Thanks for the info.

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08/05/2012 1:21 AM

sir, can you define clearily about I2T curve......

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07/06/2012 11:45 PM

Friends,

First, a welcome to y'all as you are starting to use the CR4 website. It may be homework, but it also sounds like the type of question I had when I was first starting in the electrical trade.

  1. Overload relays of all types attempt to mimic the heating of the windings within a motor as it is running, to limit the temperature to a safe value. They might use formulas and calculations; they might use heating elements; they might use other methods. However, whatever method they use, the purpose is the same.
  2. As others have said, the actual current for your motor, given on its nameplate is the only reliable number you can use to set an overload relay. For the motor size you mentioned, one catalog I have lists different motors with nameplate currents ranging from 21.9 to 27.0 amps (a difference of 23%).
  3. You also need to know the motor's designed ability to be overloaded, typically called its service factor (for continuous-duty motors), or its duty cycle or time interval. These tell you how well the motor will respond to excessive loads and are used in the tables used to size the overload relays.
  4. Since the relay is not measuring the internal temperature of the motor, you need to look at any differences between the location of the motor and the controller, in terms of cooling, ambient temperature, radiant heat, and similar.

With all this information, you can go to the manufacturer's literature and tables and use them to size your overload relay. Many styles have a dial that allows it to be set within a fairly good range. Others have different orientations (up to 4) for how the heater is mounted on the overload relay, that fine-tune its actual setting.

Beyond this, you need to consider the ability of the contactor and overload relay to handle faults, such as short circuits. These abilities will usually limit the circuit to a certain amount of amps.

When I was learning this, I read and studied the NEC section on motor circuits many times (like over 10) before I began to understand the words and the reasons.

--JMM

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