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Identify NikNak

10/03/2012 9:00 PM

Can anyone identify this object?I bought it at a yard sale on impulse, but have no idea what it is.It is heavy for its size, and the metals are silver colored and gold or brass colored.The dome will not sit flat, so it may be a top for something else instead of a bowl.

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The symbols may be India or Oriental .

All help is appreciated.

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10/03/2012 9:42 PM

Appears to be a singing bowl.

Usually sits atop a small pillow. A short wooden dowel moved at a steady pace in contact with the outside lip should make it 'sing' at a pleasant tone.

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10/03/2012 10:20 PM

Thanks!

It does have a musical quality to it similar to a bell when struck.Any idea what the symbols are?

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10/07/2012 9:06 PM

The symbol in the center of the bowl looks similar to the Buddhist Dharmacakra, except on this design the spokes are four in number rather than eight.

A Buddhist symbol would fit since singing bowls are commonly associated with Tibetan Buddhism.

The four spokes might be related to something akin to the Four Nobel Truths of Buddhism.

Curiously the symbol is also similar to some used in the Bon religion which competes with Buddhism in Tibet and is also associated with singing bowls-like instruments. The four spokes might in that case be related to something like the Four Joys of the Bonpo.

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I'm glad to hear you didn't drill a hole in the bottom. I think you made a good decision.

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10/04/2012 9:40 PM

Thanks for the link.There are hundreds that look just like mine.It does sing with a very haunting and lingering tone when struck or rubbed with a wooden dowel.

I adhered a self-stick chair leg felt cushion to the bottom, and the sound lingers a lot longer that on a flat surface.

I may hang it upside down with a striker to make a wind chime.

I think I got a good find for $1.

I am still curious about the symbols on it,haven't found a list of symbols or characters that match them.

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10/05/2012 2:28 AM

"I may hang it upside down with a striker to make a wind chime."

I wouldn't be modifying it in any way until I was certain what it was and what it's worth. After all you may have found something that is extremely valuable and very old. If you start modifying it and then find later that you just drilled a hole in something that was worth a fortune before you drilled the hole in it you're going to feel like a right git.

By the way, I also agree that it looks very much like a singing bowl and if it's from Tibet it may well be very old and valuable especially if it has a reasonable amount of gold in it.

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10/05/2012 5:09 PM

Hows your Mossie coming along?

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10/06/2012 2:42 AM

Unfortunately the Mozzie project is on indefinite hold for a several of reasons. First off is that over the last 2 years I have spent over 6 months in hospital having surgery to correct a screw up from the first round of surgery back in October 2010. Second is that the bloody greenies forced the local council to shut down the last model flying field within 50 km so at the moment I can't even fly the model of the SR-71 Blackbird I purchased 2 year ago. Finally I can't even get into my workshop at the moment because I'm connected to a vacuum pump that is plumbed into two surgical wounds on my leg and has been for about 9 weeks. All the pipes and cables make getting around a two person operation so I'm pretty much stuck to sitting in a lounge chair using my computer for the moment.

There are currently court cases going right to the High Court of Australia about the closure of the model flying field, but until the issue of having somewhere to fly models that isn't a 2 hour drive away is resolved makes building the mozzie pretty much pointless as I would have nowhere to fly it.

We also had a model boat lake nearby as well. It had been used for sailing models boats and the like for something like 80 years and was very popular, but the greenies got a statue erected slap bang in the middle of it to commemorate some nobody that I nor anybody I know has ever heard of. That pretty much wrecked it for models and it's now a stagnant pond full of weeds so now there is nowhere that people can sail model boats, yachts, submarines et cetera that I know of in Sydney.

My apologies for ranting on about the greenies and being off topic but to me they aren't doing much to conserve anything, rather they are just going around spoiling the activities others gain enjoyment and pleasure from and that are causing no damage to the environment whatsoever.

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10/06/2012 8:33 AM

Nice to hear you are still around and in "fight" fit form, even if its only with the brain for the moment!!!!

I (and many others here) wish you a good convalescence and that you are able to reverse some of the "Greenies" work!!

Keep us up to date when you have time.

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10/06/2012 5:49 AM

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10/06/2012 7:34 AM

The question from Andy was about a flying model of the DeHavilland Mosquito that I was planning to build.

It's definitely off topic and got nothing to do with this thread but I didn't know of any other way to answer Andy's question.

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10/06/2012 8:41 AM

I marked my original question off topic as well, but the reason I asked was that you were not very visible recently, an email would only be read by us both and you have many friends here also interested in your well being.

Great to have you around again......

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10/07/2012 1:23 AM

"the reason I asked was that you were not very visible recently"

Normally I take my laptop to hospital with me but the last time I didn't and when I got home I had something like 300 personal messages backed up. As a result the PMs have been taking up pretty much all my time of recent and I haven't had a chance to participate in the normal forums. However, I have now cleared the backlog and hope to participate in the open forums on a more regular basis.

Once again apologies to HiTekRedNek for hijacking his thread like this.

By the way, I'm glad you have decided to leave the singing bowl unaltered and I agree that it's just too beautiful an item to alter even if it's only worth a few dollars. However, I suspect you may have an original from Tibet here as the quality and complexity of the external decorations seem to be of a much higher quality than the cheap copies on eBay and the like. Also you mentioned that you think it contains gold as the outside doesn't tarnish as it would if it were brass. If it were a cheap copy I doubt they would go to the expense of using gold plating or inlays considering it's currently worth over US$1,770 an ounce or US$57.10 a gram and a gram of gold doesn't go very far so the gold would be worth more than they are charging for most of the bowls advertised.

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10/06/2012 5:59 AM

I was poised with drill in hand, and just could not do it.To take away even a molecule of this piece of art would be improper.

I felt as if I were about to drill a hole in my hand.

I discovered something I didn't know existed (or did it find me?), the elements and art of which preceded me by thousands of years.It will remain as is for as long as I have it.

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10/07/2012 2:01 PM

That's actually why I yelled "no"!

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10/05/2012 3:47 AM

Nooooooo!

It's too beautiful to drill like that! And as masu said, it may have a monetary value.

I agree with the others that it looks like a singing bowl. Good find.

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10/03/2012 10:27 PM

Yes, I agree, a Tibetan singing bowl, used for meditation....Oooouuuummmmm

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10/03/2012 10:47 PM

That certainly looks a lot like it.

The symbols are similar but a little different.Just curious what type of metal it is.It is slightly magnetic, but not as much as iron or steel.The symbols appear to be inlaid into the base metal.

The metal is shiny and non corroded and very hard.

The inlay seems to be brass or gold, probably gold because it was not tarnished like brass would be.The inlay has depth to it,you can feel the difference in height between the surface.

It really has a nice harmonic sound to it.

I think I will meditate on that for a while.

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10/05/2012 2:00 PM

I saw a few of these in a "new age" store at a mall few years back. You can stike them for a ringing sound, but the really good ones you can rub the rim in a circular fashion with a wooden rod and they will resonate with a very pleasant 'song'. The base metal is most likely brass with possibly some silver added to get more "ringing" from it.

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10/03/2012 11:08 PM

it's the cap of a kalash urn. it's used mostly for ceremonial and religious purposes. it can also be used to store ashes.

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10/04/2012 9:04 AM

Used to store ashes? Ashes from whom what?

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10/04/2012 7:28 PM

the Buddist that once owned this object wounld'nt have the need to get in the last word.

the Budda scriptures are the best text books out there. some of you should read them.

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10/04/2012 11:56 PM

How do you know the ashes don't want their (home) urn back?

After all, they urnt it!

If you see some homeless ashes wandering around, send them over to HiTekReds'

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10/05/2012 4:22 AM

that's great. someone on cr4 with a sense of humor and doorman did'nt get the last word in.

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10/05/2012 12:27 AM

It is an Ironer designed for a rich man. When there was no electricity in India, they would put read hot coal and iron. A heavy rag pad to hold and press then put on a stand to sit , change sides of cloth and take to press again. After throw out coal , wipe clean and put it inverted.The poor had a simple aluminium or copper make. I made 80% close.

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10/05/2012 4:33 AM

Here's a link to one for £60 (about $90)

http://www.shamanscrystal.co.uk/product/3996/five-buddha-singing-bowl/%3Futm_source%3Dgoogle%26utm_medium%3Dcpc%26utm_campaign%3Dproduct-extensions

It includes a description of the way it's "rung", and, they sell accessories: cushion and beater. I'm sure you can find a US source.

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10/05/2012 5:11 AM

I had to laugh when I saw this:-

There are 5 of these RARE bowls available from this one site and at least another 4 with identical pictures as you scroll down through the the list of "Rare Superb bowls".

Yours does appear to be a beautiful object and certainly worth the $1 you paid for it.

I just noticed that several of the bowls on the list have dimensions of 5cm*8cm (about 2 inches high by just over 3 inches diameter). How big is yours?

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10/05/2012 5:55 AM

I bought this for it's beauty.If it had any collector value was secondary.It sang to my sense of harmony for some reason before I even struck it with mallet.

I knew it was not ancient, because lathe marks are visible on inside of bowl, however the outside is immaculately polished.

I knew nothing about this when I bought it, but have since learned a lot, thanks to this forum and it's knowledgeable members.

The measurements of the one I have are approximately 6 3/4" X 2 3/4".

The metal looks like polished stainless, but the relieved parts have a rough cast appearance.The whole bowl is gold or alloy covered and all of the artwork is elevated by perhaps .010".

I would not want to try to duplicate whatever processes they used to create it.

The symbols still have me scratching my head though.

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10/05/2012 7:28 AM

Usually lotus flowers are depicted as they are the symbol of purity and enlightenment. The highest Chakra (just above your head) is known as the lotus chakra and once opened is the gateway to enlightenment.

Remember to sit in the lotus position when meditating with your bowl.

PS: Glad to hear it's the beauty that has you hooked...it is lovely.

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10/05/2012 8:00 AM

PS: Glad to hear it's the beauty that has you hooked...it is lovely.

Totally agree. The mystery and bargain purchase price are a bonus. Now, do I ask the Gurkha's, or wait until I go to the local Nepalese restaurant ?

I'm damn sure the 'lid' is a finger bowl to be filled with warm water and petals.

Before you butcher me, know that I have PM'd HTR (at obscene length), offering to ask around. Nepalese and Buddhist people don't exactly abound in most places, but they do here, and this gives me a good opening gambit when I turn on the charm to get a discount for a forthcoming party booking. It may take a month or two, but that's quicker than you're likely to find out about Timbuktu.

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10/05/2012 3:45 PM

Those marks that look like lathe marks probably are not. This bowl would have been formed by spinning it over a mandrel and using another highly polished piece of metal to shape it to the mandrel form. The mandrel spins with the bowl, but usually slips a small amount. This method leaves a very high polish on the outer surface and lines from the rough mandrel on the inside..The symbols would have been installed while the metal was still a flat piece.

I have a singing bowl that is 31cm wide and 19cm tall. It rings for many minutes. I do not have your nice decorations.

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10/06/2012 5:15 AM

I think that its a real flash "g'zunder"

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