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12/17/2013 11:40 PM

Can anyone guide me on Hazardous area classification.

Kindly guide me how to calculate hazardous area classification redius of perticulat source of release.

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12/17/2013 11:46 PM

Too bad we don't know where you are, who you are, why you need this information, and why you are not qualified to define this yourself.

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12/18/2013 12:20 AM

Thanks for the document Lyn.

But there is no perticular information about how to calculate radius from source of release.

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12/18/2013 12:31 AM

Check NEC article 500....it covers everything you need to know...

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12/17/2013 11:59 PM

If it was that easy, we could have save a few hundred thousand dollars.

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12/18/2013 2:23 AM

Hire a specialist to do this. Then the liability goes away.

Someone who doesn't recognise the difference between HazOp and Hazardous Area Classification is unsuitable to do either of them.

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12/18/2013 3:59 AM

One program for doing this is ALOHA (Areal Location of Hazardous Atmospheres).

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12/18/2013 9:38 AM

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Help me please. I have used ALOHA numerous times in conjunction with CAMEO as part of Haz Ops. It was used to project anticipated vapor dispersions. I was unaware that it could be used to determine the classification of an electrical unit. I would appreciate it you could go into this a little further. Thanks

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12/18/2013 11:00 AM

It can't, but the OP really seems not to be asking about electrical classification.

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12/18/2013 11:57 AM

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Thanks. I apparently misread what seemed like an ambiguous question. The part that threw me was his terminology. Hazardous classification was usually used in terms of electrical hazards and we used to use the term "effected area" for the plume area. Have to be squeaky clean and watch the terminology in the chemical industry! Don't want to create unnecessary scrutiny.

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12/18/2013 9:59 AM

ALOHA

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12/18/2013 1:41 PM

This has to be done by a competent person with the latest applicable standards, regardless of what country or hazardous area standards you are working to, it is not something you can just download off the internet.

The above point is also mentioned in the standards you should be working to, so go buy copies of the relevant standards before you kill someone or pay a consultant or inspector to perform the work for you.

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12/18/2013 3:06 PM

Unfortunately the best way to determine what you want is to hire an experienced and competent person to do this task. ALOHA is available but the learning curve is quite long till you get at a competency level that will enable to do this proficiently. It doesn't take a whole lot of time to understand and enter data for some sort of answer but to do it so that you get good and factual answers takes much more time. I have been using it for about 20 years and every time I do I find something else I never knew or had to refresh myself on. Currently I don't think I am as proficient as I want to and have to be.

If I understand your question correctly, "Kindly guide me how to calculate hazardous area classification redius of perticulat source of release" you are looking for particulate dispersion patterns. If so, ALOHA may not help you. It is unable to calculate particulate patterns. "Particulates. ALOHA does not account for the processes that affect dispersion of particulates (including radioactive particles)." NOAA Office of Response and Restoration http://response.restoration.noaa.gov/oil-and-chemical-spills/chemical-spills/response-tools/alohas-limitations.html There are also several other limitations listed.

If you meant "particular," ALOHA might be useable but only after long and intensive training.

Again, this is another reason why you should hire this work from an experienced and competent person. With this type of complex simulation you get what you pay for. Pay nothing, get nothing Pay good money, get good results.

If you attempt to do it yourself, I cannot be held liable for any mistakes or problems they cause. There have been several very good answers to your question, I hope mine has been an aid to you, but the final decision is yours. Just remember that many have said get a consultant.

Good Luck, Old Salt

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12/18/2013 10:45 PM

From the responses thus far, I kind of believe we need to uncover the language barrier here. I think the OP is looking for something other then electrical. He/they posted in the wrong area possibly.

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12/19/2013 12:12 AM

First of all, you need to study the basics by yourself, this is a very general and basic question.

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12/19/2013 8:00 AM

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"Kindly guide me how to calculate hazardous area classification redius of perticulat source of release."

Kindly guide me how to calculate hazardous area classification radius for particulate source of release. (Right?)

In order to determine the information you are asking for it is required that you obtain, read, and understand the MSDS sheets for all chemicals being processed in the area of concern.

Only the chemical manufacturer can provide this information.

Once you identify all chemicals and their classification you would use the "worst case" criteria.

If you do not understand this it would be in your best interest to hire a very competetn consultant.

Good luck and stay safe.

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12/19/2013 8:21 AM

The latest copy of Emergency Response Guidebook is a good resourse also.

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