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Number of Turns for Ferrite Transformer Considering the Design of Laminated Transformer

12/22/2013 9:34 PM

I have a toroidal transformer with 18 / 18 turns in primary and secondary windings of hollow copper tube , the primary and secondary voltages being 600/600 Volts MF @ 10Khz, And Crosssectional area of M4 laminated core is 7200 Sq.mm, 300 Kva.

Now if the same transformer is to be converted to Pancake type of windings , in a manner such that it consists of 4 pancake coils with the same cross sectional area of conductor used above with 9 nos of turns in each layer of winding, ( 2 primary windings in series placed externally and 2 secondary windings in series placed internally like a sandwich ), is there a relation for calculation of ferrite crosssectional area if ferrites of Bs 390 mT @ 100deg,C temperature ( H=1000 A/m for Freq= 10 KHz). The Cross sectional area arrived by calculation is 1900 Sq.mm for above ferrite, Please guide me. If more than required cross sectional area of ferrite is used , is there any loss of efficiency of transformer.The tubings are cooled internally by pressurised water.

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Re: Number of Turns for Ferrite Transformer Considering the Design of Laminated Transformer

12/23/2013 6:23 AM

Assuming I understood your description correctly...

In my experience, a ferrite core cross-sectional area must be at least Bsat(iron)/Bsat(ferrite) LARGER than laminated iron core cross-sectional area for proper operation.

There are other factors involved when changing transformer geometries (i.e. torroid to pancake) which may require further analysis and compensation.

Good luck!

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Re: Number of Turns for Ferrite Transformer Considering the Design of Laminated Transformer

12/24/2013 12:22 AM

Now you seem to be looking for a solution to this transformer- I suppose is part of your induction heater using vacuum tub - which you wanted to replace with IGBT etc.I am in Bangalore and you are in Belgaum. Entire induction heater can be made in Bangalore - if you wish. Ferrite is not the only alternative- there can be other alternatives. You want to hold on to coil design and say give me a core to fit into it. Pl see I sent you personal mails- you do not respond. I responded to your previous blog- you did not bother.

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