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University Freshman Europe Issue

09/21/2014 5:58 PM

Hello everyone,

I am currently searching for a bachelor degree in mechanical engineering in Europe, taught in english, and I need this uni to have freshman courses first since I am an AP(Advanced Placement) student and am required to take freshman before beginning my Bachelor's. I went to QS world mechanical eng uni ranking, excluding the UK, I found only 3 uni in Europe that teaches in english(top 150). Unfortunately, none of themhas freshman. I am seeking your generous help as I am left with no possibilities that meet my requirements..

Thank you very much.

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09/21/2014 6:48 PM

1. Learn how to use the internet to gather information, or ask your parents to do it for you.

Here's a good site: How to Search the Internet - Hannon Library

Go to the site, read what it says and FOLLOW THE INSTRUCTIONS you find there.

2. Once you have mastered the search details, use a search engine to define your requirements and choose some of the results to contact, directly. Or, have your parents do it for you.

3. CONTACT THE UNIVERSITIES yourself, if you have the ambition to do this, which seems unlikely, given your pitiful track record here. Asking the forum to do the work for indicates that you are not ready to enter college. And we have no idea of your qualifications, except that you don't seem ready for college.

4. Contact your countries armed forces, using:

How to Search the Internet - Hannon Library and explain to them that you are helpless and need to grow up. They MAY help you.

5. Why should we do your work for you, again? Ask your parents to do it for you, again.

Finally, why are your requirements so important and restrictive? You seem to be a unique individual in many ways. Not many that would endear you to any college professors I had.

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09/21/2014 6:57 PM

Hello lyn,

I did send personal emails to those 3 unis, I did search using google spefic search (e.g: I put "Europe") but this didn't help as the page may contain the world europe but may be a US university. Again, why you still hating every effing time I post a thread? I am not asking anyone to do the work for me(in fact, before posting, I already did the things that you criticized me for not doing). I am posting because maybe I am missing something and need it pointed out.

I am sorry if my question misguided you, but I am not here for conflicts really not!

Thanks again

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09/21/2014 7:11 PM

1. Refine your searches. Why limit them to a single web site. Show some independence and self motivation. See #2 below.

2. Be less selective, the universities don't need you, you need them.

3. Find a forum for people like you how are mostly unable to deal with doing things for them selves.

4. I'm not hating. I am giving you honest advice. I did it when I chose a college. Many of my associates did it when they went to college. My son did it and paid for his own education, while going to school. He has been employed for the last 30 years in banking and now, engineering.

5. Every post you have made here demonstrates a lack of direction and maturity.

6. I have no sympathy for you. You are spoiled and impetuous.

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09/21/2014 8:06 PM

For #2, are you saying that the university ranking don't really matter?

Well yes I must admit that we never had an orientation course or anything of this kind.

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09/21/2014 7:05 PM

And my answer to question 5:

1)I don't really feel the need to study in the US and I don't have time to study for the SAT to raise my score (1560/2400) as I am taking AP(Advanced placement) in all my classes and I literally can't breathe.

2)For the UK and Australia part, I think most UK uni's don't have freshman(did not finish my search yet).In addition to that, I think I am gonna be at a disadvantage since I don't understand the British accent as I would understand the american or European people speaking English.

3)I have been told by my parents, my school counselor, friends and people from my family to base my search on QS World University Rankings by subject( In my case it is mechanical engineering).

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09/21/2014 8:33 PM

"in all my classes and I literally can't breathe."

Get used to this part, If you think high school AP curriculum is intense wait till you get to uni!, Your HS teachers are your friend at hand, you'll find out that your college professors are not nearly as accessible to you and your free time will be nil IF YOU TAKE ENGINEERING SERIOUSLY!. Engineering is very demanding as your decisions can have deadly and expensive ramifications if done incorrectly so DO NOT EXPECT TO GLIDE THROUGH THIS with someone elses hard work under your belt.

If you think you can glide through college level courses (I'm not referring to HS AP courses) with high grades you are mistaken. It requires a lot of hard work and discipline to be done right.

Your social life will probably be very lacking at college so get used to it as study groups and midnight cram sessions will be the norm for a while.

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09/21/2014 8:43 PM

I need to visit a few websites to learn about time management..

Great advice, thanks.

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09/23/2014 3:18 AM

My understanding of FRESHMAN is a first year student. Do you realise that every course will have a first year?

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09/23/2014 3:43 AM

Sorry to seem thick here but what makes you think it is easier to understand a European speaking English than a Native speaker from the UK? Added to that which British accent don't you understand? We have lots to chose from not just the mockney one that appears in films all the time.

I say this as a Brit who is married to a wonderful amazing woman from Poland. She speaks excellent English, much better than my Polish, but she still makes mistakes with the language and can be difficult to understand. It can be the same in lots of different parts of the mainland.

In addition what do you mean by freshman? Having been through the system in the UK I have never heard the term used in the university context. Do you mean an Access Course?

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09/23/2014 6:31 AM

Well there is such a thing as FRESHERS WEEK, but I can't remember much about it.

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09/23/2014 6:33 AM

I can agree with you about the Freshers Week but didn't think that the freshman referred to that.

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09/23/2014 6:45 AM

Isn't Freshers Week dedicated to hazing the Freshmen ?

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09/23/2014 6:49 AM

You've got it.

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09/23/2014 5:47 AM

Your SAT percent is low. SATs are well known to my mind and understood, that could be your biggest problem of all....

What does AP actually represent to European and Australian/N Zealand Unis? I have personally never heard of "Advanced placement" myself.....New language? Please educate me as to what THEY would understand...

Just because USA Unis may understand its full implications, does not mean anyone else...

I could not find a Uni outside of Canada and the USA that uses it as such, though there may be similar courses with other names....

Wiki says here:-

Advanced_Placement_exams_NOT_ACCEPTED_In_the_UK

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In the United Kingdom

AP testing is not done in the United Kingdom, instead a combination of GSCE's, AS and A levels (or equivalents) are used in order to gain entry into universities, higher education, colleges and are often used in job applications. GCSE's are completed by the summer of Year 11 where students enter aged 15 and finish year 11 at 16.

Yahoo explained to me what it means in the USA :-

Advanced Placement USA

SATs are probably more acceptable....but I have really no idea, but the name is used in the UK a lot!!

Whether it applies to you personally, I cannot say.

I hope this helps and I wish you well.....but for other countries please talk to them directly!!

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09/21/2014 9:30 PM

Mr. AskAlotEnergyPassion.

I am not sure what "Advanced placement" or "freshman" means. And I doubt anyone in Europe really does.

So your search should be refined for the European expressions. Otherwise you limit yourself to the few universities that know about the American specifications.

I'd try all universities in the bigger cities, but mechanical engineering is tought in so many places that it was almost good to get here and ask.

Now if you figure what Freshmen and Advances placement means you have a better search at hand.

Are you aiming for an English speaking country or are you open for France, Germany, Holland or even the East European countries?

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09/21/2014 10:15 PM

You think very highly of yourself and/or what you consider as your achievements! In a way I think that it is good But the way your postings goes I have a doubt if you can really walk the walk as good as you are now penning your posts...

Anyhow the link below should give you enough ....

http://www.timeshighereducation.co.uk/world-university-rankings/2013-14/subject-ranking/subject/engineering-and-IT

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09/22/2014 5:27 PM

You know, fellow ? you sound very snob, conceited, picky and selfish. If you are having a hard time just choosing, wait 'til you are in. You feel troubled of having to deal with a different accent in your own language, imagine having to study as you learn the language; what, too much effort ? I guess so.

I can't figure if you post to show off the powers of your family's wealth or your own self greatness, that nothing around the world seems to be enough for you.

As a well learned kid, you should already know that many successful men reached the zenith with no diploma, and that schools are renowned thanks to the persons, not vice-verse.

If you grew that old (don't know your age but you're ready for college, so..) and still think that way, it means someone blocked all the life blows to your face. You never learned to be humble, and if you persist, you won't be able to take the first strong punch. For your own good, consider your attitude, is not too late.

God bless you pal.

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09/22/2014 11:30 PM

This is NOT a picture of me. I am younger, don't have gray hair and am more handsome.

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09/23/2014 3:35 AM

OH!! I thought that was a picture of your son!!!

Taken YEARS ago!!!

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09/23/2014 4:21 AM

Did you mean "OH!! I thought that was a picture of your youngest son!!!"

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09/23/2014 5:53 AM

LOL!!!

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09/23/2014 3:31 AM

For somebody to reply 'Great advice, thanks.' doesn't give me the impression that this person is 'very snob, conceited and selfish'. But for the first reply to go straight for his throat, then I can undestand why he's been rubbed up the wrong way. It would probably do the same to me as well and, many others I would assume.

I've not read any of his previous postings, but if he faces the same sort of responses, then no wonder there's a little bit of friction.

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09/23/2014 2:14 AM

I think the Freshman course you are talking about in the UK would be classed as a foundation year. the year you do before starting your degree to boost your knowledge / understanding to the required level.

This being said if you do not already have the required knowledge to start a degree what makes you think one of the top international university / college's would take you on as a student?

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09/23/2014 3:14 AM

I HAD to give you a GA for that.

I wanted to post something on similar lines, but you were by far the first.

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09/23/2014 3:27 AM

I did as well...but...give the prospective student a break! The difference between school and uni is not real for him yet...he has a hard row to hoe, and only he can do it.

As far as institutions of learning go, don't be too sentimental! These are merely retail purveyors of a sought-after commodity, not sent by the gods for our edification and delight.

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09/23/2014 3:48 AM

Well if he does intend coming to the UK to study and, he's a bit worried about jumping feet first into a full time Honours Degree Course (and I can tell you that this will be a super intense course work wise), then there are a number of options open to him. As you mentioned there are Foundation Degree Courses, but the other alternative is for him to undertake a Higher National Diploma (HND, 2 Year Course). In most Universities these HND courses are intrinsictly linked to the Degree Courses and, if you're performing well on the HND Course, your mentor will recommend you transfer to the Degree Course, with no loss of time. These HND Courses are of an extremely high level and, well worth obtaining in your progress to a Degree. You can even have industrial placements to support your theoretical studies with practical hand-on work, on both HND & Degree Courses, well worth considering.

If you do go for the Degree route and, your looking for the best quality Degree available to you, then make sure you get on a Honours Degree (BEng (Hons)). Then go on to get a First Class Degree. There are just Degrees here in the UK, which aren't recognised by certain Official Bodies (i.e. for Chartership Status)

Hope you find what you're looking for.

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09/23/2014 3:58 AM

I agree the HND route is sometimes the best as it gives you a taste of what is required without the intensive course load of a degree.

I would suggest he checks to see if an HND would be a recognized qualification in his country of origin in case after the HND he decides that he can't / won't handle the additional work required for a degree.

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09/23/2014 4:16 AM

Well if he can get through a HND course, he'll have no problem going onto complete a Honours Degree. What level of Degree he achieves, would be another thing, as he seems to be that way inclined. The work loading on the HND was of a very similar level to the Degree. I found the first year of a Degree was alot to do with bringing the students from different backgrounds (i.e. A Levels, OND, HND, Mature Students etc.), all up to the same level (i.e. A Level Student gaining the Electrical Engineering knowledge and, OND/Mature Students gaining the Maths and Physics knowledge), in readiness for the second year.

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09/23/2014 3:34 AM

Many it seem, simply do not understand that its your PREVIOUS (School?) qualifications that need to be recognized by the Univ in question (or not!) and accepted (or not!) before you MIGHT get a place offered. Naturally in competition with 1000s of others......

You would do far better to learn a new language and try and get a place in a Univ which teaches in that language. It looks FAR better on your CV when searching for a job later....I studied at the Modena Univ in Italy for example.....

But it takes more than a little "guts" to do that.....

Language fluency impresses most other US based Americans and similar people from the UK as they themselves are generally slow in picking up a second language fully (as are people generally from Italy, France and Spain in my limited experience!! Sorry Guys, but the truth will out!!)

So go to say Italy for year and study Italian for 12 months. Avoid everyone who wants to improve their English using you, it will ruin everything!!!

Watch TV, read the newspapers with a dictionary handy....my personal experience was, is that after 3-4 weeks, you will get by speaking at that point, even though in my case, German is probably the most difficult European language to learn....

I spoke it badly at first of course.....but most Germans under 60 have had a year or two of English in school, but most simply never use it again...my wife for example has learnt English well since I put in a Sat system for UK TV programs in, about 15 years ago....she is now a UK/US soap addict!!!

The next step is to learn to tell and understand jokes in the new language....a Girl/Boy friend who does not speak your language is also a great help as well....

Then apply to the Univ of your choice.....

Try also getting a job maybe part time with a local company that exports to other countries and has to have properly written (in) English documentation.

Many good (foreign) 2nd language English speakers simply cannot write it correctly (you have all seen examples of Chinese/Japanese/German to English documents I am sure), the documents only really need a good polishing.....it pays quite well....I assume that you have some scholastic recognition of your English qualities....in the UK that would be O and A level passes....

If you want an Engineering degree of some sort, then you should consider Germany as well....

I would tell you to avoid countries where the population as a whole, generally has English as a second language. The obvious ones are all Scandinavian countries and the low countries.

I would also say that Russian might be a positive language to learn/study, especially in the next 20 years or so, as would be Chinese (Mandarin and Cantonese together) and Japanese....

My list is not exhaustive...

Small countries usually see any films in the original language with "under titles" in the local language, which is the reason I believe that such countries (thanks to Hollywood) have a high percentage of good English speakers....Large countries can afford to have all films converted to the local language....a negative aspect in the long run I feel personally.....

Best of luck.

PS. As you may guess, a lot of the above is firsthand experience.....

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09/23/2014 6:23 AM

Freshman course=Nursery class.

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09/23/2014 7:42 AM

Take a serious look at #31. Will need determination, and self-discipline though....

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