Hauling the Great Pyramid Stones

And they did so without the use of machines powered by combustible fuels and/or electricity.

Yes, and it took them a reeeaaaallly long time, even with slave labor.

Not to mention generations of family slaves.

Re slaves; there is no evidence that slaves were used - it appears to be a myth of storytellers. The archaelogical evidence suggests it was done by willing workers who were well looked after.

iconical

http://dsc.discovery.com/videos/egypts-greatest-discoveries-work-force.html

With regards to a "slave" workforce... interesting.

I read about a 'chord' system for rolling blocks.. which I borrowed for my idea for rolling shipping containers. for short distances.

searchers such as Zecharia Sitchin looking at the mysteries of the ancient world, have discovered that the tribal oral memories tell of the stones for this island stone city, floating across the water to the sound of music... (from another island 50 miles away)

It is obvious to anyone with an open mind that the technologies used, and the final product especially (Great Pyramid) represents a level of knowledge that is beyond that which is currently available to modern man. It was created by the ancient gods. Occams razor. It wasn't 'us', it was 'them'. We humans are taking credit for someone else's work. I object. They also created us, so go figure, why we don't know how it was done...

Chris

Hi Chris,

You've watched too many Stargate episodes!

lol. how did you know.

I've actually only watched the first movie... which was fun, and graphically appealing.

but no one else has put forth any idea that can adequately this 'cave-man science and tech'.

Ffej, I won't disagree with the notion of cast stones.. much... There is evidence also that the casing stones were glued with a cementitious product that was stronger than the 'stone' that it was binding..

no one has explained how they accomplished a flat mirror finish that was supposedly on the casing stones. 'cave-man science'

no one has explained how the sides were produced to optical precision. ie (1/2" deviation over 750 ft length) using what? hemp rope?

and that is not even getting into the more advanced technologies re: power plant, massive modulated killer laser and communcations station as stated in clay tablets was the triple function of the great pyramid. (sitchin)

Chris

ssssssshhhhhhhh!

We're not supposed to know the ancients were smart...besides the Egyptians inherited the pyramids from very intelligent beings or so the story goes.

Don't forget all the colored pictograms and writings deep inside the pyramids, where there is no soot etc on the walls or ceilings as from torches or candles. Many authorities have questioned how they did it. Strangely enough, the Myans et al built large pyramids and structures, w/o the "knowledge" of the wheel, but their children had wheeled toys. Many authorities speculate that the wheeled toys came from Carthage. Watch out for UFOs!!!! Do you realize how far the nearest Earth-like solar system is from Earth? It would take hundreds or thousands of years, even at speeds nearing c, to move between these solar systems. Unless the "older" civilizations mastered the "Dark Matter" tunneling effect..... But I'm not supposed to mention that.....

Personally, I wish the Great Pyramid complex at Giza could be excised from Egypt, and turned into a small acreage that belongs to Science, the way the Vatican City belongs to Catholicism. That way, the vested interests and politicization of 'egyptologists' could be cut away like the cancer it is, and we (humans) could scientifically research the pyramids with complete objectivity!

Either that, or we can buy an acreage and relocate it. (thus proving that we have the technology to do what near-cavemen did in creating it) (although the location is part of the mystery, at the navel of the world, on the 30th parallel, etc)

Chris

I'd never heard that before. It would be orders of magnitude smaller, in terms of time and manpower, to build forms and cast the stones at the site, than haul them from hundreds of miles away. Though this idea is not conclusive, it solves a lot of the pyramid mystery.

yes but.. why wouldn't you simply pour the entire structure, rather than haul stones on barges from 100 miles away... it is just a theory, and not one that makes sense either... its a mystery. why pour blocks, and haul up the pyramid and place with glue, rather than cast in place, and no glue.. doesn't make sense.

the pyramid is a device, and has functions that demanded a certain performance from the skin also. I like the notion that the pyramid is a giant piezoelectric crystal... and that gives a clear reason why the skin (casing stones) would have to have the kind of integrity that we see. it makes more sense than anything else. occams razor.

Chris

It may have been easier to cast small (metre cube size), perhaps the limitations of hand mixing versus setting time set an optimum size, it may have been done for decorative effect or it maybe that's what the Aliens told them to do.

I read an article on this -- perhaps on CR4 -- some time ago about a man in England that developed a means of moving huge weights single handedly by the use of levers and fulcrums. Given a big lever, he would lift and pivot the stone, moving it along the ground. There were videos attached.

Unfortunately, I am at work so can't spend a great deal of time on this, but her is another article with a similar method that shows how it could be done.

http://www.world-mysteries.com/gw_gpipes.htm

Admittedly, they are talking about Stonehenge, but the same technology would have worked on the Pyramids as well.

actually most of it was about the pyramid methods, with a diversion into stonehenge.. but quite brilliant at any rate. GA.

On a break, I checked again and found what I am almost certain is the article I referred to above. I remember that he was a retired carpenter/contruction worker and the story about moving the pole barn. The site has been updated, but the information is essentially the same. Very interesting!

www.theforgottentechnology.com

Just to be the Devil's Advocate, steel rollers and jacks where not basic tools in ancient Egypt.

".. I am not an engineer so I am not limited by my perceived reasonings of impossible and my math still only uses real numbers which gives me a an advantage"

All the physics and maths studied by engineers at uni is used in real world problems every day. Some of these problems are difficult and require specialised tools like imaginary numbers, calculus and deep understanding of physics.

You think not knowing this stuff gives you some kind of advantage?

Wow, that's a special kind of delusion. Me, I'm humbled by how much I don't know.

for all the tcmtechs out there, I'm inclined to agree with him. Some people build things with their hands, and develop the understanding of the workings of things intuitively, with a bit of background, and produce simple and highly effective results, where others with a decade of training, produce little more, or more complicated mechanisms.... that is his point, not to invalidate the schooling, just to say it is not the only way to produce functional mechanical methods. There are many many gaps in the schooling education, that old-school, or intuitive methods can fill in.

As Einstein said, "Imagination is more important than knowledge."

and still, no one will ever know everything...

Chris

The imagination and intuitive understandings of daily life are what made building the pyramids possible not complex theoretical math. Back then they did not have absolute faith in science or complex math in general being most could not read, write or do simple math by todays standards. What they did have that we dont use much of any more is sheer will, determination, and creative problem solving skills learned from watching how nature works which they then applied to massive work forces of average ordinary people. That is the real secret to what allowed people to accomplish what they wanted to do back then without what we see as high level educations and scientific understandings.

I see countless "educated engineering" types who will give the credit for building the pyramids to aliens or unknown super advanced ancient races of people before they will accept that basic stone masons simply scaled up the physical size of their applied skills and work methods to the limits of coordinated human effort. These "educated engineering" types are also the same people who most often pat themselves on the back for their superior intellect and supposed understanding of how things really work yet in reality they are usually the last people who will or can accomplish much of anything simply because their unwavering faith in their understandings limit the imagination and inventiveness needed to do any real creative work.

If you want to know how to build a pyramid just talk to an experienced mason or stone cutter for a little while. From their perspectives a pyramid is rather low tech and simple stone work that is a basic knowledge in what they do for a living. The only thing they will tell you that amazes them about the pyramids is how simple stone working processes where scaled up to the limits of human cooperation and brute force in aplication.

One human can work with a single stone block of a few hounded pounds with nothing more than hammers, chisels, and some levers and wedges to move it and shape it. Add ten more people with more levers, wedges and some stone or hard wood rollers plus coordinated cooperation between the people involved and now a multi ton stone block is not an impossible thing to work with but is just bigger.

The things the pyramid builders had that we dont have or use or appreciate to any great effect today is sheer workforce numbers and time. We try to fill in those workforce numbers with machines and cut those time lines down from multiple lifetimes to months or years with machines as well, they didn't.

As far as my math skills go I am very good with practical applied mathematics. I have met many people who proclaimed that all their theoretical mathematical gobbledygook has as much real life aplication as what I use yet when put to the challenge it always comes up as an embarrassing failure of practical aplication on their part.

I have seen experts mathematically prove that any number is not equal to itself but is equal to any other number before and then pat themselves on the back all day long over their superior mathematical ability's yet when asked to use that superior mathematical proofing skills in a simple real life day to day aplication that any common person faces they couldn't and in fact failed miserably in the attempt. Its great for theory but a page full of numbers is useless if you can not actually do anything real and tangible with it.

Aye! It was a twelve year old that produced the common industrial diamond in the family garage eh?

However the pyramids are older than the Egyptian civilization...

Got any actual tangible, creditable and provable proof to back those claims up? Do you have an actual video and any creditable documentation that was done yourself in person at the pyramids that shows these outrageous sci fi claims to be true? If not I will continue to have my doubts. To be honest I have rather lost a considerable amount of faith in your intellectual credibility in general as well now.

The one person I met who has been to the pyramids didn't mention any of that stuff ever having been pointed out on the tour he was on some years ago and he certainly didn't seem to recall any laser moon power communicators pointing out of the top as well. As far as I recall I do remember him saying the people who over see what tourism and other public stuff that does go on around the pyramids have some gut busting funny and almost sad stories of crackpots and conspiracy nuts that have tested and measured everything they can get access to that continually come up with basically nothing of any tangible evidence for supporting their theories. He also mentioned that the locals say that the precision and accuracy of the pyramids are no where near what any of engineering myths and legends proclaim them to be as well. Sure many of the stones have sections where a piece of paper cant fit between them but then their are countless more that, the ones that seem to always get conveniently overlooked by the conspiracy goofs, have gaps that a person can easily fit their hand into. For me I will continue to take the personal accounts from people who have been there to be more likely true over the crack pot goof theories proposed by the 'foil hat society' science fiction readers accounts who have never been there.

I have long understood that much of our human history has become heavily covered in myth and legends simply because its just more fun to believe and add some awe and mystery to our ancestors past accomplishments rather than accepting the dull and somewhat humbling and basic truth that realty shows them to have likely been just far more motivated, creative, and resourceful than we are ever willing to believe or be ourselves. Their grand accomplishments have stood for centuries and in many examples millennia, while much of ours modern ones are will have trouble lasting more than few decades to a century.

This is a start. To get where I am intellectually, you will have to read what I have read. I own almost 100 books dealing with ancient civilizations, of which 20 deal with the pyramid. I'm always searching and adding...

http://www.gizapower.com/

http://www.ancient-wisdom.co.uk/extremasonry.htm

http://www.ancient-wisdom.co.uk/egyptxtremasonry.htm

This is one of the giant isoceles triangles Sitchin discovered, that maps out the geometry of Giza's location in the landing glide path. The symbol for Jerusalem in the most ancient times was a small building with an aerial on the roof. The Apex of the triangle is Mt. Ararat. (Noah's Ark location) and the right point is the highest mountain Sinai, Mt katherine. It is said that viewing the 3 pyramids while flying in on a glide path provide a geometric means of determining both elevation above ground and distance, based on comparative visual size. (to known dimensions)

There is another such triange in Iraq from the prior civilization, which Sitchin claims was destroyed by the great flood (also pinned on Ararat - visible landmark)

The 'spaceport' in this image was destroyed by a nuclear weapon (war between the gods), 5000 years ago, (Sodom and Gomorrah) and this area and to the east (dead sea) still show higher than background radiation levels.

Not only are these sites laid out on a geometric plan, they are apparently also laid out on a geodetic harmonically tuned plan, where the ancient stones "Omphalos" meaning Navel, were placed in each of these locations (Giza, Baalbec, Jerusalem) plus two more (Heliopolis, and Oracle of Delphi in Greece) Sitchin tells that these sites are also located on geometric vertices. The omphalos could apparently be used to speak to each other, meaning that a harmonic vibration exists between them, and that voices spoken to them were added to the primary frequency (superheterodyned like am radio) and released at the other end. Just like radio, but with the sacred geometry of the locations and the crystal harmonics that result. (earths crust is 46% silicon)

Here are two images that place the Giza plateau at the navel of the earth.

another good brief summary.

I think there was a thread about what to place in a vault to be left for future peoples to let them know about this age. I ascribe to the theory the pyramid trumps that idea

Now were it that those whom built the pyramids were three or four times our common stature having a brain the size of a 19" CRT monitor. Perspectives then demand another dynamic.

Not stone masons, Freemasons. Two arguments worth considering about the current theory of the Pyramid construct is the water damage and the ore for the tools. Apparently there is a fair amount of erosion which can be attributed to water induced, where as the Giza Plateau has been very dry for 10000 years. Also, where did the copper come from for the tools? There are no known copper mines from that era to produce the required copper for such a massive undertaking except in modern-day Michigan. I think these ancient structures where something a bit more than giant mausoleums, and that our human history is a lot more interesting than wandering out of Africa with a hoe.

I remember a TV show many years back that a stone mason had noticed at an ancient Egyptian museum a cradle that looked just like the ones he was using at his quarry. They only had one cradle on display but he typically used four per stone. The four went around the square stone so that it could roll. I think the museum was in Boston Ma. because I do remember that in the TV show he was granted the challenge that he could move a something ton granite block using this approach up the steps of the Boston City Hall. The block was about two cubic meters of granite in size. The quarry owner and a small crew using ropes, smaller stones in cradles as counterweights and some safety blocks to prevent uncontrolled rolling, moved the block without any motors, beasts of burden or building up much sweat. I remember specifically that when the historians chuckled that this crew that had just moved this block to the top of stairs to enter city hall that they didn't prove that this is how the ancient Egyptians moved their pyramid blocks the quarry men agreed and grabbed their tackle and left. The historians suddenly realized that they had to find a way to get this massive block down. The historians asked if the men would move it back. The quarry owner explained that they originally intended to do that. But now that the historians had laughed at their efforts, they weren't going to remove it for free like they placed it for free. They weren't paid to demonstrate their skills and they wouldn't move the block any further for free. The historians could have the block for free where it rested.

I tend to agree with you after looking at those Giant Termite hills of Australia. The length of termite is no longer than 15mm but their termite hills are anything from a Metre to 3-Metres or 200 times their length or 600 times their height.

Man being more intelligent should be able to perform much better.

Remember The Tower Babel ?

I use the Great Pyramid as my standard when building, it is a 13 acre base and level within 1/8". The idea that they used a lake as a giant level to do this has credence or a big laser level. Most modern buildings aren't level within 1/8" over 10 feet.

Also, there was a Discovery show where they tried to erect a 15 foot obelisk using "ancient" techniques and could not get the thing up. The biggest single piece, erected obelisk is 110 feet tall and there is the remnant of a 300 foot tall one which cracked while in the quarry. They wouldn't have begun cutting a 300 foot piece of granite if they didn't know how to use it. The largest obelisk in the world is... 555 feet tall... the Washington Monument. Maybe the Masons do know something...

... just for the sake of discussion... then there's the Edgar Cayce material as to the who, how and why of the Pyramid construction.

Who: Atlanteans

How: Floated stones in air similar to "iron swimming in water" (his phrasing) http://arescott.tripod.com/EConGP.html

Why: Was part of an energy source

So many "scientists" have gone to the trouble to postulate theories, then get filmed by Nova and other science programs trying to show how well they can construct smaller scale structures based on their theory. And after all is said and done, yes it might be a way of doing it, but gets us no nearer to how it was actually done.

Same for the Sphinx.

I'm not advocating Cayce's ideas as truth, but as long as we're postulating, which is all that can be done, so far, consider all and wonder...

Good efforts for all interpretations and suggested theories, but till now the method of hauling of the Great Pyramid stones from Aswan to Giza stay unknown. But the unique truth is that those stones were hauled and constructed by minds before hands of ancient Egyptians.

I have always wandered if it would have been be technically easier to cut and transport longer blocks to and up the pyramids where they could be cut, once at the correct level into smaller blocks. A longer block may be heavier but is easier to manipulate with levers or even rolled in a cage whereas smaller cuboid 2 tonne lumps are very awkward to move around. You could even wedge them and lever them from one level to the next without ramps whereas a smaller block would skew and be difficult to keep aligned . Any chippings could be used as infill. Evidence of such a method could be found in the in the matching strata of adjacent blocks or nearby blocks. Just a thought!

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It has been estimated that to have placed all of the quarried stones within the required time period, it would have required that the Ancient Egyptians place each stone an average of 23 seconds, which is literally impossible! they also would have needed construction methods and techniques more advanced and precise than modern day methods. So, how the heck could they have done it all, and precisely layout and build the two Giza pyramids to perfect North-South-East-West orientation in a time many centuries before the invention of the magnetic compass?

Possibly they could have done it with the help of Ancient Astronauts.

Just because we cannot think of a way to repeat what they did, does not mean that these ancient people did not figure out a better method than we have. Let's not forget that these people were there for millennia. They also clearly valued prior knowledge sufficiently that they had libraries. So why couldn't they have found clever ways to multitask work crews and distribute production work long ago. So moving tons of quarried rocks at an average pace of 23 seconds is certainly baffling, but we have no right to call it impossible.