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Ancient Barges Inspire Modern Aquatic Earth Moving

Posted March 24, 2010 7:37 AM

Using barges to haul earth, large rocks, and debris is not a new idea. Ancient Egyptians utilized a barge system to haul granite destined for pyramid construction over a distance of 934 km. Today's technology is making barge use more popular. According to some experts, the distinct advantage of deploying newly engineered sectional barges for aquatic earth-moving operations is that they can be easily transported across land to any given job site. With this kind of mobility, carrying capacity, and power, have you considered a barge system for projects located within proximity of a navigable waterway?

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03/24/2010 10:57 PM

"Ancient Egyptians utilized a barge system"

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Ancient Egyptians MAY HAVE utilized a barge system; would be the journalistically responsible way to represent things that we don't actually know. It is arrogant to assume that this was how it was done.. they MAY HAVE put it on 32 wheel trucks.. we don't know! There has been no evidence put forth that I am aware of that proves that this is how it was done. 1 drawing on a wall 7000 years after the fact does not prove anything. I can put pictures on walls too.

It might have actually been a really big trebuchet... and reverse-trebuchet the catch the stones on the receiving end... We Don't Know.

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03/24/2010 11:09 PM

It might have actually been a really big

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Quarried where? Present day Yemen?

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03/25/2010 1:17 AM

sorry for going off like that... must be off my meds today..

I love barges.. and have thought about them..

as shown in my post to the Shipping Container thread here. Although this particular plan wasn't acceptable, I'm sure there are many places in the world that can make use of barges and canals.

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03/25/2010 9:23 AM

Inspite of modern tools for research & simulation the technology used in pyramid construction is not fully resolved.

The construction of pyramids is in a slope on which all is being researched; here in Bhaarat /Bangladesh / Pakistan Sub-continent there lot of castles [ in westren countries a lot there] on steepy hills; only accessible by mules; how large building stone-blocks were brought where such materials not available; and lifted to heights considered; if not impossible; difficult.

Surely the Nations in the past had gone to Hi-Techs & then destroyed ...

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03/25/2010 10:35 AM

Surely the Nations in the past had gone to Hi-Techs & then destroyed ...
Nah, we'd have found their floppy discs .
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03/25/2010 6:00 PM

Really Fine !

Lets copy & distribute !

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03/25/2010 8:39 PM

No we haven't found them...

there is an ancient story told of the goddess Isis, travelling to meet her great uncle, the god Ea, and to use alcohol and feminine wiles to obtain the "ME's", (devices containing the sum of all knowledge from their homeworld 'Anu') which she did.. got him drunk and happy (typical guy) and overcome with her beauty, he gave them to her. With them, she learned how to build for herself a ship of the sky, and energy weapons, and also to bring her husband back from the dead. amongst other things... It is possible that the Templar Knights found some of the technology under the rock, and used it to carve monolithic stone churches in ethiopia, amongst other things. (and to rule the roman catholic world for a few hundred years)

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03/25/2010 9:09 PM

A right bit'o wit but beyond the ken of most...

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03/25/2010 12:06 PM

In this thread, a simple method is presented in the links provided by BP01 just recently.. I'm very impressed and excited to see it.

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03/26/2010 1:20 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jMlnCgz_Czk

Worth checking out... although I suggest muting

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03/26/2010 2:04 PM

Thats a beautiful thing! love it... its still advanced engineering, not caveman stuff, but do-able. great that it is consistent with the evidence. very satisfying. ga

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03/26/2010 3:28 PM

But it's a cartoon...in a cartoon 4 men can do anything
...I mean in a cartoon I've even seen a mouse outwit a cat

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04/09/2010 8:31 AM

Interesting.

According to Google Earth, the pyramid bases are 50-60m above sea level and 40-50m above the river bed.

Unless they built locks to lift the loads this method wouldn't work.

If they did build locks, where did they get the water to use them? It's a lot of water to pump up from the Nile just to run back into it.

From the site, there doesn't appear any residual traces of a lock system or canal system. Even after 4000 odd years, you would expect some traces. The terrain should still show some evidence if this method was used.

Moving the blocks only during the annual floods would make it easier (with a bottleneck in the program flow), but there would still be a significant height to get it to the final site at the base of the pyramid.

There is a theory that the main labor force were farmers, temporarily out of work during the floods and that a comparatively small force of artisans worked year round, with the main "grunt" work done at flood time.

The rope block suggestion from Franz Lorentz is interesting and may well have been used. However, looking at the surface before the sheathing was put on shows a mighty tough pull to drag blocks weighing an average 2.5 tons up. In addition, the existing stones show no drag marks which should be present if blocks had been dragged over them.

One of the pyramids has 2 inscriptions, one saying they are half way (after 2 years!) another saying they have finished - a total of 4 years! Makes the Herodotus claim of 20 years for Khufu's pyramid look quite conservative.

However they did it, the project management was incredible.

I still like the theory that the blocks were cast in-situ from geo-polymer. It seems to answer most of the technical problems and there is some inscription evidence to support it.

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04/29/2010 8:26 AM

Its a precious art which is shown in that photo... Now a day people can do more better work in a short time of period, by using modern and heavy equipment...

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