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Mine the Moon or Buy from China?

Posted November 19, 2010 9:00 AM by Steve Melito

Rare earth elements (REE) are used in more than industrial ceramics. Mobile phones, plasma televisions, and rechargeable batteries for hybrid vehicles also use rare earth metals (REM), as this group of 16 elements is sometimes known. As the U.S. Geological Survey explains, REE applications number in the "many hundreds". In the case of color cathode ray tubes (CRTs) and liquid crystal displays (LCDs), "no substitute is known".

Years ago, the United States was able to meet most of its own REE needs. By the year 2000, however, U.S. industry imported 90% of its rare earth elements from China. Since then, the Chinese government has curbed REE exports as demand continues to grow. Applications such as magnetic refrigeration, a possible alternative to gas-compression refrigeration, may hang in the balance.

"We know there are local concentrations of REE on the moon," explains Carle Pieters, a planetary scientist from Brown University and investigator for NASA's Moon Mineralogy Mapper. But "neither potential mining methods nor the economics of this particular approach have been studied", counters Leslie Gertch of the Rock Mechanics and Explosives Research Center at the Missouri University of Science and Technology.

Should U.S. industry begin to reach for the sky?

Sources: Ceramic Tech Today and USGS

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11/19/2010 11:22 AM

It might be easier and cheaper to 'mine' certain regions of the ocean floor and/or extract the REEs from seawater.

Who knows, you might even run across an old Soviet nuclear submarine.

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11/19/2010 2:31 PM

"Mine the Moon or Buy from China?"

By the time we get back there China will probably own that too.

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11/20/2010 9:06 AM

Most of the taxpayer funded technology that comes out of NASA gets donated to multinational corporations who then use it to sell their goods back to taxpayers. Even though the U.S. is presently the largest market and only charges about a 6% import duty on Chinese goods, China charges 30% to enter its market. U.S. politicians continue to promote more disadvantageous trade policies because the multinationals fund their campaigns. Anyone else see a direction here?

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11/20/2010 12:27 PM

How about Mars?

In 1997, during a subcommittee briefing, Sheila Jackson Lee (D), asked a NASA scientist if the Mars Pathfinder had photographed the flag that Neil Armstrong had left on the moon.

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12/01/2010 2:35 PM

DUH! It was night when it passed by so it couldn't be seen!

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11/19/2010 11:19 PM

It's not even about availability. There are more than enough quantities in the West. It's about cost. It is both expensive and somewhat dangerous due to the inherent poisons.

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11/20/2010 6:06 AM

If the moon were made of solid gold,it would not be economical to mine it.However,there is something much more valuable on the moon in vast quantities that is very rare on Earth:Helium3.

The sun is constantly throwing out masses of H3 but the magnetic shielding of the Earth prevents any from reaching the surface.The moon has no such filtering mechanism, and the surface has been soaked in H3 for billions of years.

Helium3 is better than hydrogen for fusion,higher yield, less neutron emissions that destroy containment vessels.IMHO,the moon will be the next great mining venture.

Why do you think everyone is now suddenly interested in becoming space capable?

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11/20/2010 8:05 PM

I wonder what the environmentalists would find for a an excuse to make a stink about it.

We are turning it into a desolate wasteland. Nope! Already was one to start with.

By mining we may be endangering some rare species of ... Doubt it.

By strip mining it we are disrupting the natural beauty of the land. Not really being its already full of craters that are many miles across and we still cant see them with the naked eye!

By operating smelting and refining factories we are polluting the atmosphere. Cant polute something that does not exist!

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11/21/2010 2:58 AM

Cheaper to invade Canada;

"While there is no rare earth source that can match the Baotou tailings dump, these deposits can be found all over the world. China's actions have put this issue firmly on the radar screen and countries are getting serious about developing new sources. Two of the most promising are in Canada: Avalon's Thor Lake project in the Northwest Territories, and Montreal-based Quest Rare Minerals Ltd.'s Strange Lake project in Quebec."

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11/23/2010 1:10 PM

WHAT?!?

To Arms, everybody! They're moving in !

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11/23/2010 1:16 PM

Ah crap. Both of our tanks are busy and the jeep is in for repairs.

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11/23/2010 1:20 PM

Maybe we can get the F-35s in time.....nah....we're done.

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11/23/2010 3:57 PM

What do you mean, "We're done?"

You guys will get billions in American reconstruction aid and we get Red Green. ;-)

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11/24/2010 7:28 AM

Oh Boy, you don't know how our government works, do you? If I go by its past actions, it'll let you come up here, mine the crap out of our backyard (and probably pay you to do so), and allow you to resell it back to us (even in the raw form) at an exorbitant price....we're use to that over here...

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See, I did try to warn everyone - Canada will be so much easier .

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@ Rick - You are supposed to say thank you also!

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Kris,

We were doin' just fine before you pointed this out, you know....thanks a lot... and from a squibble none-the-less....

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You know we will...we're like super-polite...heh?

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11/24/2010 11:46 AM

Yeah, but it doesn't count until I get two GA's - invade the *******'s, now ! When the next State finally accepts it's position, I am waiting (Abe has sat in that chair too long). Maple leaf is gonna look damn odd on that flag, but we can do it ! We can get some oil sand a few other bits of stuff - the job is a sinch, so near and so willing.

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Just for that, Squibble, I'm going back to the pub and rating ALL your answers GA. That'll teach you....(only twenty someodd thousands to go through...)

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11/24/2010 12:41 PM

Typical flippin' Canadian - give me + 1 for all prerious. I always knew South Park was a pack of lies . Godddam muppets belive my true love is Arkenasas,,,oh, if only they knew.G'damn yankees are gonna choke on maple come the day,eah

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I was gonna leave at that but now you're pushin' it....I might just come true with my pub threat

What's Arkenasas anyway???

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11/21/2010 3:39 AM

The RRE 'crisis' is just a 'flavor of the month' thing.

The nut cases can't be happy without some such crisis to worry and cry about.

The moon thing was probably a reply to a silly question by a reporter.

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11/22/2010 10:56 AM

Any reason at all to get us off our butts and begin exploring again works for me.

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No disagreement there!

The funny money China plays with distorts too much of the market place.

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China is not the solution:

  • Explore Afghanistan, Africa, Russia and South America and there are good chances that S. Africa, Kenya and Sudan has REE in abundance
  • There is always and always will be alternatives
  • China has limited time to sell their REE or it may become obsolete
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