HVAC Blog Blog

HVAC Blog

The HVAC Blog is the place for conversation and discussion about building HVAC control, energy conservation and efficiency, heating, and cooling. Here, you'll find everything from application ideas, to news and industry trends, to hot topics and cutting edge innovations.

Previous in Blog: Cutting HVAC Costs   Next in Blog: Holistic HVAC?
Close
Close
Close
9 comments
Rate Comments: Nested

Let Diversity Dictate HVAC Use

Posted January 08, 2011 7:24 AM

One energy-saving principle that is rapidly regaining popularity in commercial construction is diversity. Diversity occurs when people move from one room to another. If a room isn't always occupied with the maximum number of people it was designed to ventilate, then why should the HVAC system always be fully operational? Why not have the system function according to room load, much like the way lighting fixtures can be triggered to operate by sensors.

Of course, maintaining optimum IAQ and air-flow in any given room is more complicated than simply turning a light switch on and off. A delicate balance must be maintained between occupant, energy, and cooling/heating load. But with today's sophisticated real-time controls and sensors, creating a building that helps its occupants breathe, while using the cost-saving principle of diversity, is easier than ever.

As an engineer, how will you apply diversity to your upcoming commercial projects?

The preceding article is a "sneak peek" from HVAC, a newsletter from GlobalSpec. To stay up-to-date and informed on industry trends, products, and technologies, subscribe to HVAC today.

Reply

Interested in this topic? By joining CR4 you can "subscribe" to
this discussion and receive notification when new comments are added.

"Almost" Good Answers:

Check out these comments that don't yet have enough votes to be "official" good answers and, if you agree with them, vote them!
Guru
Technical Fields - Technical Writing - New Member Engineering Fields - Piping Design Engineering - New Member

Join Date: May 2009
Location: Richland, WA, USA
Posts: 21017
Good Answers: 795
#1

Re: Let Diversity Dictate HVAC Use

01/08/2011 10:09 PM

I'll hire people of every color, sex, orientation thereto, nationality, religion, age, ability, disability, beauty, tallness, initiative, and character. Wouldn't want a bunch of clones; that would be boring.

__________________
In vino veritas; in cervisia carmen; in aqua E. coli.
Reply
Guru

Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Oman
Posts: 612
Good Answers: 14
#2

Re: Let Diversity Dictate HVAC Use

01/08/2011 11:53 PM

Comfort condition is a relative term. Often a single parameter called effective temperature is used as an index of comfort. Based on ET concept many comfort charts have been developed like Fanger's chart. To maintain the comfort conditions in the room it is necessary to supply the air at appropriate condition. Supply air condition lies on the room sensible heat line on the psychrometric chart. Thermodynamically there is a wide choice available for supply air condition. For each supply air condition there is a supply air rate. By pass factor of the conditioning apparatus and variable flow are few concepts used in HVAC system to conserve energy when the rooms are not occupied especially in central plant system. Usually when there is frequent change in the occupancy such as hotels fan coil unit along with individual control s are provided .

Reply
Power-User

Join Date: May 2006
Posts: 142
Good Answers: 3
#3

Re: Let Diversity Dictate HVAC Use

01/09/2011 7:01 AM

Diversity is built into modern ddc control equipment and firmware. The limiting factor's are 1. lack of supervision by owners during construction, you can't hire a contractor and expect him to place details of construction above profit. 2. Owners by nature look to first cost and appearance rather than health, comfort and operating cost. 3. Human nature, we all tend to develope tunnel vision when we look to our tasks and normally lose sight of the laeger picture (ie, the lastest changes to 90-1, 5'f diferential will cause discomfort and the irratic changes of setpoints by occupants as well as the wasted energy to recover what was lost or gained during deadband.

Proportional control with a tight throttling range and demand based ventilation with attention to i/o enthalpy calculation and application is not new but often disregarded because of human nature. We need to tune the 'hunting' out of the design and developement process as well as the actual equipment and controls. When the 1% of code enforcement plan reviewers and inspectors that are competent demand strict compliance we hear complaints and disparaging comments and complaints. I prefer them because they eliminate "grey areas" and create a more objective standard.

Reply
Commentator

Join Date: Feb 2006
Posts: 55
#4
In reply to #3

Re: Let Diversity Dictate HVAC Use

01/09/2011 11:58 PM

agree with you but would go further Owners when the conceive the project do not bothers about the type of occupancy in commercial buildings,assumption plays vital role ,in todays design no body believes if its a commercial Building we need to be sure the kind of activity that the building is going to be used like banking/trading activity or call center or software development activity its assumed 100-120 Sq feet /person and HVAC designed most of the time you find HVAC operating around 40-50% of designed and installed capacity,the main reason is the ego of architects,project management team who decides and Miss lead owners to increase the project cost for an extra pound of flesh.

crm

Reply
Guru

Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Oman
Posts: 612
Good Answers: 14
#5
In reply to #4

Re: Let Diversity Dictate HVAC Use

01/10/2011 2:53 AM

Sometimes it is very difficult to make the architects and structural engineers to make them understand the concept of HVAC requirements. It needs continuous follow up and design stage to avoid many complication during execution and handing over stage of a project.

Reply
Commentator

Join Date: Feb 2006
Posts: 55
#8
In reply to #5

Re: Let Diversity Dictate HVAC Use

01/10/2011 6:49 PM

i am in the industry for pat 40 years i find since 2000 construction is treated like development of soft ware development and owners want results in shortest time modern project managers treat the same way like software development.no body wants to read and understand the concepts and basic engineering every one is focused on schedules and achivie mile stones result is not just diversity every aspect of engineering is throw en out of window its the situation in India would welcome the situation other parts of the globe.

murali

Reply Off Topic (Score 5)
Active Contributor

Join Date: Nov 2007
Posts: 11
#6
In reply to #3

Re: Let Diversity Dictate HVAC Use

01/10/2011 8:17 AM

What you say is very good. To implement and verify this is the issue. The commissioning agency (third party hired by Owner) is responsible for the verification sequence. Many of them rely on the commissioning agent (HVAC Contractor) and control contractors (sub to HVAC contractor). If they are buddy buddy you don't know what you are getting for the final operating sequence. Don't forget the balancing team. They can make or break the operation of the system from room to room. All in all it takes more time than any contractor has allotted to do the job correctly. As a result things don't get completed with the best interest of the owner in mind. Don't forget LEED. We can and will build great efficient buildings without LEED. We are going thru the LEED phase of building. God only knows how long it will last.

There are many great engineers, technicians, installation contractors, and commissioning teams that take pride in their work. Keep up the good work.

Reply
Power-User

Join Date: Feb 2010
Posts: 103
Good Answers: 2
#7

Re: Let Diversity Dictate HVAC Use

01/10/2011 3:13 PM

Diversity in HVAC design has has been in use for decades. The latest technology in equipment and controls has allowed the industry to fine tune this strategy to a gnat's fanny avoiding installing oversized machinery instead of "let's play it safe and have enough horses in the systems." Highly accurate load calculations allow us to provide the building owner with greater comfort, ie, better humidity control, longer equipment life, fewer breakdowns, and lower energy bills. Not a bad bundle of benefits.

Reply Score 1 for Good Answer
Power-User

Join Date: May 2006
Posts: 142
Good Answers: 3
#9
In reply to #7

Re: Let Diversity Dictate HVAC Use

01/10/2011 11:42 PM

My latest adventure started last week. Contractor wants controls for current project. Specifications call for vav's some fan powered, all cooling only, plenum return. My thoughts, why the fans with a plenum return. Spec's call for Carrier rtu's with 3" external available static, setpoint 2". Contractor made submission for York with maximum static of .45 ts. My thoughts, ???. Specifications call for available protocols of bacnet mstp, lon, modbus rtu, n-2, ccn and a few others. My thoughts,???. Engineer wants duct smoke detectors to activate through the ddc. My thoughts, who needs to follow any codes. The plans locate the control panels in the electrical closets. My thoughts, why not the MC is pulling all the wire. The MC asks about the purpose of the fans on the boxes and why he needs to pull a 24v wire to the boxes when the are supposed to have transformers installed from the factory. He's pulling the wire and making terminations because the owner, a small hotel chain, is very cost consious. You have an engineer that draws a lousy zone system with average $2200 Titus boxes, half fan powered on a non-rated plenum return ceiling with no thought to fire or smoke division that could be done with $100 motorized dampers, no perimeter heat consideration with glass exterior(ssb) and a contractor and engineer who don't appear to have any experience with this type of project or any basis in controls and the owner wants to save money. The engineer also specified demand based ventilation with factory installed dual enthalpy economizers. 2 Hours to program and 2 days for tuning and working with the balancer. There was a time when I would not want my name or controls associated with a pile like this but this is the real business today, not all but the majority. The only people that are going to be happy with this are the ones that sold the equipment.

Reply
Reply to Blog Entry 9 comments

"Almost" Good Answers:

Check out these comments that don't yet have enough votes to be "official" good answers and, if you agree with them, vote them!
Copy to Clipboard

Users who posted comments:

CONWAYMECH (2); goalmaker (1); Lou Bindner (1); mrswamy (2); murali (2); Tornado (1)

Previous in Blog: Cutting HVAC Costs   Next in Blog: Holistic HVAC?
You might be interested in: HVAC Services, HVAC Ductwork, HVAC Repair Services

Advertisement