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Save Parking Places in Snow?

Posted January 30, 2011 7:06 AM

There's been plenty of winter around for everyone this season, with lots of snow to be removed. Big snow storms in crowded urban areas can lead to neighborhood feuds. What if someone toils for a long time to dig out a snow covered parking spot, should he have the right to "reserve" the place he just cleared for his own car? It's a long standing tradition in major U.S. cities, but apparently this is just an "unwritten" law of courtesy, it's not on the books. In fact, this winter has seen the police in certain areas giving fines of hundreds of dollars for people reserving spaces. Is this fair?

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01/30/2011 8:31 AM

ALAS! The 'Tragedy of the Commons' strikes again.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tragedy_of_the_commons

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01/31/2011 8:06 AM

thank you.

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01/30/2011 5:29 PM

Whilst working at a manufacturing plant that produced glucose oxidise using a fermentation process similar to that used to produce beer, I was surprised to learn from the engineer of the process, of the fact that the yeast plants involved were induced to grow to a critical point of population, at which the by-products of this growth would actually kill the colonies due to Ph levels. The intent was to produce the highest volume of yeast plants possible for a given space.

Not that there is any parallel here.....

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01/30/2011 10:58 PM

The public street and it's Right-Of-Way is just that, public, owned by the municipality as the land was conveyed to it, not you or anybody else. You, and for that matter no body else, can "stake a claim" on a parking spot within the carriageway.

If you insist on doing so, than pony up the Greenbacks to your municipality so as to maintain forever that section of the street. I guess it's terrible to be you, eh? Keep shoveling, or find off street parking which I'm sure will be a hard find as well as expensive!

Please have a great night!

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01/31/2011 4:08 AM

Just make a snow man and get him to look after your spot.
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BTW... 'is this fair' I thought you guys believed in capitalism and the free market....? Would a banker/lawyer/politician clear a fresh space or park in the one you cleared?
My Mum taught me life isn't fair.

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01/31/2011 6:11 AM

In the long run the guy who took the space that I just spent hours cleaning clear of snow. Would find it much cheaper to have cleaned his own spot than to have taken the one I put so much effort into cleaning.

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01/31/2011 2:58 PM

Maybe he spent as much time or more clearing a spot to get out of and then came back later to find another car taking the spot...Seeing the one you dug your car out of was his lucky and legal break....Next time you dig yourself out and don't want any other car to take your spot, fill it up with snow so you can come back and take that spot again...What are you going to do? Damage to his car? You Jerk!!!!

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01/31/2011 8:10 AM

I have dealt with this once upon a time when I lived in a Condominium. The lazy people waited for someone to showel out a spot adn leave so they could pull into it without actually lifting a finger to do some real work. Point to keep in mind here was there were an adundence of unshoveled spaces availible.

What I did when some rude person took the spot I worked so hard to shovel out was the following. On either side of that spot was an elderly neighbor who needed their car dug out.....and a spot that was unshoveled. I dug the neighbor out....and deposited the snow on top of, along side of and behind the rude persons car.....I then proceded to shovel out yet another spot....and deposited that snow on top of, along side of and behind the rude persons car.....

The lazy rude person now had TWICE as much snow to shovel out than they would have if they simply dug their own spot out.

Yeah TECHNICALLY....nobody owned the spot....but nobody is entitled to profit from the hard work of others when they could have done what most other people did, and dug their own spot out. At least nobody stooped to vandalism. And only made them do double the work for their lack of courtesy.

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01/31/2011 8:29 AM

Excellent! It would have been nice if a few others had joined in so you could have cleared the whole area except a huge pile of the offending car.
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01/31/2011 9:44 AM

It's always worked for me in the past also.

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01/31/2011 9:50 AM

I gave you a GA, but I guess I'd be careful doing this in an urban setting. (And, it might be better to confront them with a warning or similar before escalating to burying their car.)

Since I'm writing in this thread anyway, I'll mention something else--sometimes I need to park someplace to visit a shop (or the library) or something. I'm usually there when everybody else is at work (and thus there are lots of spots to choose from). I've considered putting a sign on my car something like "I'll be gone by 4:00 PM" or similar, in hopes of avoiding vandalism.

On a similar note, if I lived in an area like that, I might put a sign on/near a parking spot I shoveled out to say something like (too long winded, but): "I'm gone until 5:00, if you use this spot, be gone by then".

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01/31/2011 3:41 PM

In the Condominiums that I am familiar with people had designated spots..If an unauthorized vehicle used that spot the car was towed away...This is an instance where you have the right to claim the spot...Living in the city you don't have that privledge..All parking spots if you can ever find them are up for grabs.

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01/31/2011 6:35 PM

The mayor of the city of Chicago agrees with you..

We have a blizzard of sorts on the way right now..

fortunately i four wheel

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01/31/2011 8:46 AM

Situations like this is why there should be no on-street parking. What privately owned property do we allowed stored at the public expense, other than motor vehicles? Before the automobile came on the scene, if one didn't have a place to board his horse, he didn't own one. It was not left on the street.

"But I have no place to park my car", most urban car owners might say, to which I would remind that I would like to have an olympic sized pool and also don't have a yard big enough for it, but the city won't allow me to use a couple hundred square feet of the street. Street and roads are for the MOVEMENT of traffic, not for temporary storage.

One also has to consider the extra time and expenses it takes to plow and/or remove the snow when equipment is blocked by parked cars. Prohibiting on-street parking would also open opportunities for private building of neighborhood parking lots and garages, which may be more profitable than apartment rentals and help remove "slum" buildings. And my grandma, who has a garage, driveway, but no car - could earn some bingo money renting out parking.


So no - you don't have a right to the space; don't clean it so thoroughly next time since you won't receive a good return-on-investment.

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01/31/2011 12:21 PM

Good Morning Robbump,

My sentiments exactly! I couldn't have said it any better.

How's things up in lovely Schenectady these days? Snowy I'll bet! ACKKK!!! BTW, I'm originally from Burnt Hills (grew up there) + lived for a piece in Amsterdam with the X. My kids are still there too, unless they're off attending college.

Have a great day.....and watch out for another storm!

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02/01/2011 4:04 PM

Good day to you too. Yes, I remember your user name from a group of stories about trollies in this area. I'm originally from Gloversville, but have lived in Schenectady County for almost 30 years - half my life. I do drive, but I take the bus as much as I can too, and walk. Had about 5" of white stuff today, 12"-18" projected! uhhhhh. Time for a branch office in Jamaica, "mon"!

Thanks for the support on my position.

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01/31/2011 12:36 PM

Just because you dig out of a spot that had when you were snowed into, you do not own that spot. The next guy that wants to park there in the empty spot is entitled to it....It's not private property.

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01/31/2011 1:26 PM

So.....dig your own spot out.....in the situation I commented on...there were plenty of snowed in spaces. True it was off street...but there were NO assigned spots.

Only the lazy and ignorant feel they are entitled to take a spot someone else shoveled instead of breaking into a sweat digging out one of their own.

In a situation where there are too few spots....and too many cars, even when there is no snow.....then its a little different.

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01/31/2011 4:39 PM

Lazy and ignorant ? What garbage ! More like lucky to find a clear spot. If it was the Spring or summer or Fall and you found a parking spot, would you pass it up because it was empty? I don't think so....Does that make you ignorant?

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01/31/2011 4:55 PM

I think that if I lived in a neighborhood with no off street parking (or insufficient for the cars in the neighborhood), I'd make it a point to shovel out my car (and maybe some of my elderly neighbors), and then feel entitled to a spot.

If someone persisted in taking parking spots without having done their fair share of digging out, I'd start by having words.

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01/31/2011 12:49 PM

I use a realistic inflatable device that looks like a huge pile of snow to "reserve" my space.

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01/31/2011 6:35 PM

The law says anyone can take the spot you shoveled. Good manners says they won't.

In my condo my designated parking spot is my private property. Anyone else parked there gets towed. The condo parking is also off a back lane that is not plowed by the city so it can be tough to get to at all.

But then I drive a monster SUV, four wheel drive, with bonafide snowtires on it (not 4 3 season tires). Who needs to shovel?

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02/01/2011 10:57 AM

Someone looking for a spot to park has no choice but to take a cleared out spot. The person can't stand in the roadway while he is blocking traffic in the process of digging out a new spot.

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02/01/2011 11:03 AM

So to expect them to take the clear spot, shovel out a new space and then move the car is unreasonable? And by your inferance that there is no way to stop and shovel without blocking traffic we can assume that if there is no space already shoveled nobody will park on that street at all?

Not a lot of snow down in MS is there?

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02/01/2011 11:17 AM

You are trying to take ownership of something that you can't own...It's not private property that you personally own... If it was your driveway and you broke your back and sweated getting a car out then I would agree with you and say you had a right to get upset... but a public street...no way... My suggestion when "your" spot gets taken is to go out and find another spot and take that one. How are you with road rage? You seem to get upset too easily..

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02/01/2011 11:41 AM

I'm not upset and I certainly wouldn't expect to return at night and find the place I had shoveled out in the morning still empty. I've lived in Canada all my life and have experienced a bit of snow now and then. Heavy snow in Canadian cities often seem to bring out the best in people though. It wasn't uncommon in my neighbourhoods to see a crew of kids and young men shoveling out car after car to help out those who needed it. Or if you had time when you shoveled out a space, you shoveled an extra one for the next guy.

What we are (or should be ) discussing here is not RIGHTS or MINE over YOURS, its just common courtesy. Every dispute these days seems to come down to someones "right" to something, never do you hear the word responsibility anymore. What the world needs today is not a new bill of rights but a bill of responsibilities. If people thought they had no "rights" to anything but had to earn them all by excercising their responsibilities this world would be a much more pleasant place to live.

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02/01/2011 12:57 PM

You sound like you might be a very nice person, however it isn't the responsibility of a driver looking for a spot to leave it empty on a public street just because a nice person who had to dig out his car left it there..

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02/02/2011 7:57 AM

I just went through a similar situation with my town. I spent 2 hours shoveling off the sidewalk and driveway got in my truck and watched as the town plow came by at 40mph and covered the sidewalk and driveway with twice as much snow. 2 minutes later the postman walked by complaining that I needed to shovel my sidewalk. I got out of my truck shoveled for 2 and half hours and got ready to leave when I heard the town plow coming again, rite when I got to the sidewalk he sprayed me and the side walk. As I'm standing there in disbelief a police officer comes by and threatens to give me ticket if I don"t clear my sidewalk..... you guessed it I shoveled the town came by again. I call it "Cool Hand Luke Syndrome" I'm going to go it 50 hard boiled eggs, that has to be easier.

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02/02/2011 11:27 AM

You must live in an unfriendly town... I live on a dead end street so when they plow all the snow for the last two blocks gets deposited at the end of my street... My driveway is always getting blocked in.. If I'm around when the truck comes I ask the driver to divert the snow to the far end of the driveway so that I can get out more easily.. The way my driveway is situated I will always have to shovel snow out...How much depends upon the way the snow plow directs the snow... Now if the plow blocks me in with a lot of snow I usually call the Town Highway department and they will send out a plow, a front loader, and a dump truck and clear away what they can... Stand up for your rights. Complain and make a pain in the ass out of yourself and you may get better treatment.

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02/09/2011 7:45 PM

Same thing with the snow plow happened to my brother when he first moved to Ceday Rapids.

The little starter house he bought didn't have a garage so he had to park at the curb in front of it.

Maybe you could get an inflatable car to park in the spot while your're gone. ;)

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