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Accelerating Spaceship: Newsletter Challenge (07/01/11)

Posted July 01, 2011 8:46 AM

This month's Challenge Question:

Spaceships launched from earth often use gravitational assist or "slingshot" to accelerate. Shouldn't the spaceship end up with the same speed it started with since any acceleration gained on approach to the planet would be lost as the spaceship moves away? How does this work?

And the answer is:

If the planet were stationary, it's true the spacecraft wouldn't gain any additional speed, though it could change direction, which technically is an acceleration (change in speed or direction). However, planets are actually orbiting the sun at very high speeds. For instance, Jupiter moves about the sun at roughly 8 mi/s. The spacecraft that approaches a planet from behind its direction of motion can steal some of that planet's angular momentum, thus increasing its own.

The spacecraft doesn't gain any speed as compared to the planet; however, it has picked up a lot of speed as compared to the sun. To put this in perspective, Pioneer accelerated to a speed of 82,000 mph when it passed Jupiter in 1973.

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07/01/2011 8:53 AM

If a ball bounces across a roadway and is hit by a car windscreen while the car is travelling at speed along the road, the wedge shape of the windscreen will impart a significant velocity change onto the ball, driving it upwards and forwards at a rate related to the inclination and speed of the windsceen.

The analogy is the spaceship being the ball and the planet being the car windscreen.

Something like that?

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07/02/2011 7:28 AM

Well put.

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07/03/2011 3:48 AM

So it's a bit like when a cat scampers across the M20 (well, iffin' it jumps up and down as it crosses) ?

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07/19/2011 9:36 AM

Or a squirrel?

Blimy, this has been here 2.5 weeks and Techs & Specs only just arrived....

I'm not reading 3 pages, so I guess someone mentioned the fundamental difference between speed and velocity....???

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07/19/2011 9:48 AM

It's all PW's fault

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07/19/2011 10:00 AM

Ask zen.

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07/19/2011 10:13 AM

Yeah, make #10 suffer as we have

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07/26/2011 2:02 PM

SPEED IN VOLSITY IS WHERE WE ARE,the deluge of expression is contingent on variance based in congluent yielding in space not aperture in speed.When the velocity matches the yield it is the same and vise versa so in conclusion the aperture is zealed at the induction plates and co-PERFORMANCE EXISTS.In closing the yield is 801481 over in aperture design.

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07/26/2011 4:28 PM

Better run the algo again, zen. You forgot the inversion feild - could be a coupla blayswidth out, there. Think you may've also neglected the coheccular moemtum.

[And assuming that when you used the word "VOLSITY" in the expression "SPEED IN VOLSITY" you meant "VELOCITY", you are 360º of aparture wrong.]

Give up, and take some more meds. Have a nice quiet lie down in a dark room.

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07/01/2011 9:04 AM

This link to wikipedia might help clarify.

The assist is due to the momentum transferred from the planet to the ship. The ship's momentum increases (constant mass means in an increase in velocity) and the planet's momentum is decreased by the same amount (conservation of momentum).

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07/01/2011 9:33 AM

This was covered a while back ad nausium.

It is a simple transfer of momentum as JBTardis stated.

Also, the approach can either add velocity or remove velocity depending on how it is done. So you can gravity assist or use the other body as a mechanism to do an insertion orbit.

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07/01/2011 2:24 PM

As was pointed out, this has been covered before. The key to remember is that acceleration can be in speed, direction, or both. In this case the change in direction yields an orbit with a total energy that would otherwise have required a tremendous increase in initial speed when launched from Earth, or a really large fuel supply expended after launch.

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07/01/2011 6:04 PM

Yes - must conserve both momentum and energy.

[Edit: ... always remembering - momentum is a vector quantity)

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I've seen a lot of weirdness about this, which I thought was pretty straightforward. So, here's a simplified sketch showing the idea of launching a spacecraft from Earth to Pluto directly (in one case, Energy E2) or by using a Hohmann least-energy orbit to first launch it toward Jupiter (Energy E1) to use Jupiter's orbital energy to then accelerate the spacecraft to Pluto.

The total energy of a solar orbit is given by E = -m*K/SMA, where m is the mass of the craft, K is a constant and SMA is the semi-major axis of the orbit. Note the minus sign. For elliptical orbits the total energy is negative. For a parabolic orbit the SMA is 'infinity' and the total energy is zero. For a hyperbolic (solar escape) orbit the total energy is positive. In the sketch below I ignore the constant K, but I demonstrate that a direct Earth to Pluto orbit requires 13.5 times the energy of the Earth to Pluto orbit. (This assumes a value for Pluto's SMA as 40 AU, and assumes a Hohmann least-energy orbit.)

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07/03/2011 11:45 PM

NICE ,I HAVE 1 PROBLEM WITH IT it shows the blayswidth at the center how is this pro-pulsed?

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07/04/2011 8:12 AM

Oops, slight correction needed:

I demonstrate that a direct Earth to Pluto orbit requires 13.5 times the energy of the Earth to Pluto Jupiter orbit. (This assumes a value for Pluto's SMA as 40 AU, and assumes a Hohmann least-energy orbit.)

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07/04/2011 10:37 AM

In aperture involvement there are 2 things that should be observed when convecting one must prove the aperture involvement ,however when placing a blog one must desertion the involvement as discussed the trapoid deflection is inept in your analogy in circumfrence as to the telemetry ascertained.

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07/04/2011 11:07 AM

I think it's sad that someone can crave attention so much that he/she will spend hours making up rubbish replies just to provoke responses. You're not funny, you're pathetic, and you're just clogging the site with meaningless, forgettable blather.

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07/05/2011 9:27 AM

Interesting analogy but inept, that only works in call forwarding only this forum is transitional in nature and the input is you.

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As I inspect your calculation I find something odd the nomenclature appears to be off at triangulation this may work minus propulsion ,however the blayswidth encamp is still center which leaves one choice to scrub and reevaluate in apendecture forth with and zeal the nomenclature.The option if so incline is to pro-pulse with me th hydrate at 1,481 psi,.with 1,581 in fuel reserve at launch. Pitch is 1482.3 south.by southwest,with trajectory at Tminus 14 degrees.It will be at Homann orbit centrifugally in confluence by tomorrow if launched today.

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07/01/2011 10:42 PM

The acceleration gained may well be lost BUT the new velocity of the spaceship is "centred" around the velocity of the planet doing the sling shotting.

So, keeping is simple for explanation, if a space ship having very low initial forward velocity is "sucked" toward a planet passing laterally across the space ships forward path, the resultant velocity of the space ship will ultimately still be low in its original direction, and laterally too in relation to the planet's velocity, BUT after its all over the velocity of the space ship will be much increased from its original velocity as its new velocity will be that of the planet.

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07/02/2011 7:13 PM

I am not sure I am reading your answer correctly, but I think your answer is incomplete.

First, we must assume a frame of reference by which we measure the space vehicle's (SV) velocity. I.e., the Sun.

Second, the intersecting path between SV and the planet must be considered in the analysis of the outcome.

For instance, to gain a net velocity the SV can approach the planet retrograde to the planet's orbit, complete a half orbit, and exit on a trajectory that follows the orbit of the planet.

If you do that the resulting velocity for the SV will be the initial SV velocity plus the planet's orbital velocity.

If you reverse the situation and overtake the planet, then the planet's velocity is subtracted from the SV's velocity.

If the SV encounters the planet at some attitude in between the two scenarios described, the resultant velocity change will be less depending on the angle of entry, the direction of the partial orbit and the angle of exit (that exit is a hyperbola). In other words, it is more complex.

In the end, the planet will loose some momentum and the SV gains momentum (conservation of energy). Since the mass difference between the planet and the SV is extremely large, we tend to ignore the planet's loss of momentum.

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07/02/2011 11:43 PM

The acceleration gained may well be lost BUT the new velocity of the spaceship is "centred" around the velocity of the planet doing the sling shotting.

This really seems confused. The primary acceleration to the spacecraft is its change in direction. That doesn't get 'lost'.

And what does 'the new velocity of the spaceship is 'centered' around the velocity of the planet' mean? Are you talking about a choice in frame of reference? That's a rather odd way to express that.

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07/02/2011 12:02 AM

What if the planet were stationary? Would there still be a transfer of momentum?

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FIRST, there are are no stationary planets they revolve around their host sun if you are accellerating you are the momentem, hence forth an equliberium is antiquated in conjector with the volisity matrix distrubited by inversion .algo seq, 4981704 8100 381 1241 1222 dn,481728 04.1 run that algo and you will see exactly the configuration. ZEN M.L.D.

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07/02/2011 6:09 PM

I hope you understand these concepts better than you spell them. That was painful to read.

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07/02/2011 6:22 PM

YEA ,I MISSED THAT CLASS, run the algo you will see.

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07/02/2011 6:29 PM

And just how is anyone supposed to run that "algo"?

I have seen some on-line orbital simulation graphics that would do a pretty good job of showing how the "slingshot effect" works, but I don't recall any links.

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07/02/2011 9:55 AM

Zzzzzzz ... people, PLEASE!

The slingshot effect (that is, the INCREASE or DECREASE in speed) is caused by a spaceship's passing between a planet and one of its moons.

As the spaceship approaches the planet and moon from behind the moon ('behind' in the sense of the moon's and the planet's moving 'forward') and between the planet and moon the spaceship's gravity pulls on the planet and the moon, thus slowing them down and speeding up the spaceship. At the midway point, the spaceship shoots 'ahead' of the planet and moon and starts slowing down, but since it's going faster than before it spends less time being 'pulled back' than it was being 'pulled forward'.

The result: the spaceship will move faster 'forward'; the planet and the moon will move more slowly 'forward'; and the planet and moon will have acted as two branches of a slingshot.

The opposite can also be done: the spaceship can be SLOWED DOWN by a planet and its moon. That's accomplished by having the spaceship fly towards them so that the moon passes between the spaceship and the planet. In that case, the spaceship and the planet are the branches of the slingshot so that the planet and the spaceship 'slow down' and the moon 'speeds up'.

When planets don't have moons, there can be no planet-moon slingshot effect, only a trajectory change caused by the planet's gravity. The exception to this is if a planet is used along with the Sun to accelerate/decelerate a spaceship. I don't know if the Sun's gravity is strong enough to have a significant speed-change effect when a spaceship passes near an inner planet in our Solar system (so Mercury and Venus), but it will have some effect. That being said, passing near Mercury or Venus is done principally for trajectory change, and not so much for speed change.

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07/02/2011 10:18 AM

Hmmmm.....unless you are an expert in this area I am going to stick my head out and bet (nothing) that your explanation is wrong and that you don't need a moon planet combination, as you seem to claim, to get a sling shot effect !

Do we have a NASA person watching this thread?

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Well stuck out - and totally safe.

You just need to know which way the planet is moving, relative in orbit, to incoming thing.

No NASA rocket surgeons required.

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07/02/2011 11:09 AM

THE THEORY HOLDS TRUE,HOWVER ENEPT THE VELOSITY IS COMPARED TO THE LAUNCH APATURE AND CAN NOT SUSTAIN WHEN 2 OBJECTS ARE APPROCHING IN SPACE 1 WILL YEILD AND THE OTHER WILL RESIST COMMLY KNOWN AS DEFLECTION ,UNLESS AN INVERSION FEILD IS THE APATURE AND CONGLUENT YEILD IS APPLIED. ED MARTINEZ M.L.D [molecular linear dynamics.]

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YES, but true, people dont understand inversion feilds.Acollective agreement is all .I have many fRiends at NASA.

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"I have many fRiends at NASA..."

Ouch ! Name-dropping only works if you can name names (and hope they'll remember you).

Kinetic Energy (EK) = ½ x mass x (velocity)2. Momentum (P) = mass x velocity.

You can turn your fields up any which way you like, but

EK(in) = EK(out), and P(in) = P(out).[1] [2]

And there isn't anything you can say or do that will change it. It's all in the sums.

[1] This is total: planet + spacecraft + moon(s) + sun(star) + the rest of the Universe (including all the dark matter).

[2] Potential energy will be conserved as well, but it won't change the sums.

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07/02/2011 6:43 PM

THEY WILL,Kinetic energy is inconsequence with this apature,the mass is squared and the velocity is conclusive, momentum is the force behind the involement so its the momentum multiplyed by the involvement or speed thats important not the Kinetic energy.

run the algo and stop acting like a scientist and be one.

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07/02/2011 7:08 PM

Is that your final answer?

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yes..do you want to engage?

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07/02/2011 7:33 PM

No, thanks - I was engaged once before. It led to marriage, which ended up (25 years ago) with just such an argument as you are proposing (totally pointless).

Oh, by the way - to warn others of possible time-wasting nonsense, I'll just tag this:

zen = TROLL.

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07/02/2011 7:48 PM

whats the d.g for dog?

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07/02/2011 7:56 PM

Now, now, don't be like that.

A word from an unashamed mutt.

Fact is you either don't have the concept or express yourself so poorly that folk think you don't.

Improve one or both if you would like a better reception.

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07/02/2011 8:17 PM

INCEPIONALY you may be right,however nobody can prove me wrong without running the algo I guess you will never know.As an algo specialist we have run this apature involvement many times and the same answer is relavent.There is no sling shot affect what we have here is a lack of understanding in velocity yeild.

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07/02/2011 8:29 PM

There are no such words as incepionaly, apature, relavent, and yeild. Affect ≠ effect. So far there is no known way to run your "algo". Whether you are right or wrong is impossible to tell, because your compositions are too incoherent to be understood.

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Couldn't you understand the part where he insinuated that John DG was a dog?

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ok so your about insulting peple that have a higher I.Q THAN YOU FINE DONT RESPOND IF YOU DONT WANT TO LEARN FRACTIONAL SCIENCE.

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07/02/2011 10:05 PM

I suppose it's possible for a high-IQ person to misspell every third word or so, but it's a bit rare.

So far you have failed to provide anyone a way to use your "algo", or even a decent explanation of what it does.

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07/03/2011 1:15 AM

Ithought this was a professional forum an algo could be generated from your terminal, semi public, university, or federal apature sorry ..

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Idont understand your comment It seems that people dont understand how algos are generated they are performed on the super computor with peramiters and every number means something for instance if you were to innovate a piece of technolgy you can run that on the super com, and increase your understanding in algorythims the computor has a I.Q, of 482 provided your input is correct you would save alot of money with this tool,For instance SPACE X HAD AN INDIFFERANCE OF 13 MEANING NOT PERFECT but close as you saw in its performance test the pressure valve at the z.b. or zealbucker was manufactured to small, I have an indifferance of 3 in most calulations and they asked me to help on the final algo for N.A.S.A. just so you know its not my first RODEO.

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07/03/2011 1:54 AM

The only information we have on this "algo" is "algo seq, 4981704 8100 381 1241 1222 dn,481728 04.1" What on earth are we supposed to do with that?

JHFC, must you be so offensively unresponsive? By now you have left many unanswered questions on this thread.

Repeating from Post 46,
"So far you have failed to provide anyone a way to use your "algo", or even a decent explanation of what it does."

Will you ever do this?

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07/03/2011 7:38 PM

This "algo" you worked on for NASA, it wouldn't by any chance have been for Columbia?

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07/04/2011 9:33 AM

<....What on earth are we supposed to do with that?...>

Nothing. Unless the earth's gravity slingshot effect is to be used, of course....

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07/02/2011 11:47 PM

I ran the 'algo'. The answer was 42!

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NO, The answer is Blayswidth.

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07/02/2011 8:52 PM

Ok - "there is no slingshot effect"

Say I am approaching a substantially circular orbiting planet from the direction of its sun.

I wish to turn through 900 of arc, or from a radial course, to a course tangential to the planets' orbit.

Now say I choose to go 'behind' the planet to make my turn - exiting in the direction of the planets' velocity - what happens to my exit velocity?

What happens if I choose to go 'in front' of the planet - exiting against the planets' velocity?

If you can demonstrate that the exit velocities are the same, relative to space, I will accept your leading statement.

I shall put this on topic in anticipation of you publishing your 'algo' results, for the enlightenment of all readers.

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Firstly, orbital inclination is diverse,When approching a celestial body 90 degree is not your best option better at 14 degrees this is the optium triangulation in coherance the zeal factor is 481749 that means without impedence to the body or planet your craft will generate a cohecular moemtum that establishes its trejectory in xcelleration wich can be 4 10ths faster however unsustained. The answer to your follow up is that there is no inclination in velocity behind or in front you simply slow down and re establish a new vector exit .This only works with an invervion feild more than 8 hexajewels.consequently satalites with a planetary inclination can only deflect at a zeal of 31.4 max.

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What a hoot!

Perhaps you could explain "cohecular moemtum"?

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Coheccular moemtum is the speed that a craft can induce when triangulating at the vector inherant potientaly at 1451.1 this next gen technolgy is comming you will see in the very near future. you guys are still into rocket power wait and see what the next gen propulsion is all about.

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You've lost me, here (clearly my I.Q.[1] is way too slow). Is that 1451.1 zeals or 1451.1 hexajewels? And for future reference, what's the conVERSION FACtor?

[1] Impetuous Quadrille.

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Yeah, I thought "zeal factor" was a religious term, but this is even weirder.

And what's a "hexajewel"--six gemstones?

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Nope,to zeal is to move up or down 1 hexajewel is equivlant to a posture in conductive power its main apature involement is H2 under vac at 2.8 1 hexajewel can be generated on the earth with a polarized resistance ,however in space its generated at 8 hexajewels 10 ,2 the 12 th power. 1 hexajewel in apature is at 4200 MHZ scale and splines at 200 ft and spreads for 1,400 linear ft. Negitive Ionic.On a space craft it will move you like a molecule 45,000 ft per min inductively.MARS ORBITAL MARGEN WITHIN 12.8 MIN. FROM THE EARTH..

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Zen,

You seem very wise, maybe you can help me with a question that has confounded me for a long time, as the answer has continued to elude me.

To wit: what happened to Stewie's head?

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The brain congeled and the inferstructure was elimitated all that is left is unknown.

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"The brain congeled and the inferstructure was elimitated..." - then how come Stewie's so smart?

Don't wish to be insulting, but I'm coming to the conclusion that Stewie (decerebrate though he may be) could give you a good run for your/his/our money.

In addition, your explanation regarding what happened to Stewie's head does not account for the shape or attitude. Why the horizontally disposed prolate aspect? Why, indeed, prolate? Why not just a shape resembling a crumpled paper bag? (I don't know the name of this shape - but I suspect you can enlighten us).

"... all that is left is unknown." I suspect that this applies to your current situation - could it be that you have had some kind of breakdown? I think I can see some glimpses of a once-enlightened mind which has, sadly, deteriorated to the extent that you are barely able to put more than two meaningful words together.

Is your carer aware that you have internet access?

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Oh, by the way - that (AP#2 at post #93) was me.

Just to be clear, it was also me at #44 and #49.

Not sure why I bothered hiding (possibly because I percieved you, zen, as more of a threat than you actually are) - anyway, all out in the open now. No hard feelings?

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It's nought to do with me, but bless your lucky stars you didn't say that on BBT - "No hard feelings"

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Nope, no hard feelings .

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Nope no hard feelings

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In 12.8 minutes, a speed of 45,000 feet per minute will get you 576,000 feet, or about 109 miles. Pray tell how is this within the "orbital margen" [sic] of Mars?

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IF you calculate the congluent yeild in the distance and take off that percentage you end with a top speed of 62,400 ft per min it is 84 billion multiplyed by the congluent yeild ,481987 multiplyed by 701 indistance factor, and divided into the distance traveled that can very depending when you go ,summer sulstace or winter sulstace your craft will acsend at the orbital margin of MARS in 12 min 18 sec approx.

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How can you figure somthing like this out? I have not had any advanced courses in anything so I hardley understand anything anyone is saying half the time. It sounds very interesting though.

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Fractional science is fasinating when your into it it takes yrs of reasearch to calculate these figures ,however Ihave been running algos for yrs and its about testing the theory advancing the inception and developing the technolgys.

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Just to clear things up, Ed, - when you refer to an "algo" - do you mean "algorithm"?

Whether or not this is the case, could you please define (your meaning of) "algo"?

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you are correct sir.

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So please define your meaning of "algorithm".

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The algorithm is the advanced conjecture in apature involvement there are 2 kinds 1, is rhythmatic in conjecture the other is sustained rythm without fault many can be produced ,however not all can sustain.

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Let's try to get some of your words straightened out. By "apature", do you mean "aperture"?

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Does one need a congeminating sproggle to do this?

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OK. What about a turboencabulator?

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Awesome... I'm laughing days later.

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Google's Martian to Earthian translator stinks. S.M.

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Try the Venusian one instead. It might do a better job.

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The translator is you the martian is in en pt their is only micro galia on mars .

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Bravo!!

07/05/2011 9:47 AM

I really gotta give it to you

this is a great gag

you haven't broken character once

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I am thanking you for bringing my post to this very good place. I will try to post it again under your general discussion. I am not a general, but I have served in our army, so I thought general would be best place. We have education in Phuket, and good education in Moronia. Maybe Education would be better place. I want to learn from CR4 and also want to share what we no. We have many things to say about the science and engineering of procreation. I want to learn more about CR4 before I tell you more, because we are better than you at this science. But. We don't want to be pully, or do you say pushy?

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Guru GARTHH,i don't understand your diploid insurrection but i sense you are of stiller mind and can appreciate the induction.ZEN M.L.D.

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Hey Zen Ive been wondering this for quite a while now and its a serious question, what exactly is a hexajewel?

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He may mean "exajoule" = 1018 joules. But evidently his arithmetic is equal to his spelling. In one post he says 1012 (in an awkward way), which is off by a factor of a million.

Hmm, that bit implying that 109 miles gets you into Mars' "orbital margen" seems to be off by a similar factor.

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INTERESTING COMMENT, when god gives you lemons you shall thank him, LEM ANIGEN INHIBITOR thats all im saying.

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Nope hexajewel there are henceajewels as well that is a lower rate of induction.

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A HEXAJEWEL IS a unit of power in inductive technolgy it is equivalant to 1,394 negitive ionic with a blayswidth of 19401 in induction in outer space.

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I guess a "hexajewel" would be a suitable unit for describing a dilithium crystal. How it would be equivalent to "1,394 negitive [sic] ionic" (whatever that is) remains unexplained. And what is a "blayswidth", or 19401 blayswidths? This sounds like a distance, but then how does it apply to "induction"? Inductance is measured in henrys, but induction? We are owed an explanation, which we will probably never get.

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07/03/2011 10:18 PM

Come on Tornado, you should know this stuff. A blayswidth is another word for a henway.

Zen never responded if he studied "quantum physics" and The Secret. If so, that would somewhat put things in perspective.

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07/03/2011 10:26 PM

Don't ask him what's a henway.

Next thing ya know, he'll be asking about Grecian urns. harrumph.

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07/03/2011 10:43 PM

"That's all ye know, and all ye need to know."

--John Keats

(But our Zen neophyte needs to know a lot more than what we have seen thus far.)

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