Accelerating Spaceship: Newsletter Challenge (07/01/11)

Indeed - the last thing we need in this fascinating and productive discussion, is it sliding off into poultry side issues, like the EEC banking crisis.

Paltry Poultry [p]

"I... I sa... I... I... I say.... Good thing I keep my feathers numbered"

I don't know the drachma to dollar conversion rate

They're on the Euro. But, just in case you have any drachmas handy...

Something over 2kg?

That is the most profoundly stupid drivel I have ever heard.

Insane private non-words such as "blayswidth", "apendecture", "trasnsestule", "exsidemine", and "sedminafi" prove only that you are completely crazy.

Are your "NASA friends" the same guys that blew a mission by intermixing imperial and metric units?

Tornado, who hates you enough to register a special identity on CR4, and only write all the non-sensical things that he knows will make your blood pressure rise?

Never mind. Don't answer that.

Interesting seed you seek to sow.

Who? Me?

Misspelling "dynamicist" hasn't helped his credibility any.

But now he is one.

And I'm the King of France, too, solely on my personal claim to the title.

[The best such claim I've ever heard of is Vanna White's statement of occupation on her 1040 form: "Letter Turner"! (Nice work if you can get it. No doubt it helps to look the part).]

Have a care. Finding the 4-digit occupation code for refrigeration engineer is probably easier than finding a match for letter turner. Molecular linear dynamisist [sic] might be even harder yet.

THERES ONLY ONE ZEN M.L.D

Promise?

DaS Energy.

TRAFFICATORS!!!!

what does that mean?

some sort of threat?

we can only judge you by what you have posted here on this site

I shared what I could find

so what?

you are probably trying to make a point

whatever that point may be has been obscured, by your use of unusual terminology

Don't be so harsh. That terminology is only unusual in this dimension.

To judge is to disasemble at linage you are not qualified when a bread basket falls how many bread fall out?

disasemble at linage?

would that be an eraser?

The usual amount.

In keep with the spirit of your posts

Q: when a bread basket falls how many bread fall out?

A: Yes

If this medical condition truly applies, you could have saved yourself from scorn by saying so up front. People would have been more understanding.

If I told you what difference would it make? If i can al-go in my head or touch a piece of technology and make it better or look at a schematic and revise it OR REVERSE ENGEER ANYTHING INCLUDING THE HUMAN BODY what difference does it make in a blog that nobody reads.

What are you talking about? Quite a few people are reading this blog, and they don't like what they are reading. Do you have some other blogs that are being ignored (as maybe they should be)?

I realize it is sort of a perverse pleasure, but I get a bit of a kick out of such stuff. One sees a lot more of it on religion forums.

I think that stomping on crap is an important intellectual duty, even if it ain't always pretty.

--Ed Norton

Dear Gentlemen,

Thank you for the humor and reminding me how much I enjoy this field.

Now who can argue with that? Not only was it authentic frontier gibberish, it expressed courage little seen in this day and age.

Excellent!

That notation is completely stupid, and even this ridiculous "explanation" doesn't clear up anything.

No, but I think it is the product of an excellent comedic mind! I like it!!!

That doesn't make even the tiniest shred of sense. Even if by "moemtum" you mean "momentum", that's not the same as speed, though it is related by the factor of mass. Please provide a reference to "cohecular" or "coheccular" or however else you wish to spell this non-word.

Im sorry can you repeat the whole process please?

I see.

So everything we think we know about elliptical orbits is totally wrong as well.

This will come as shock to a lot of folk.

But good news for those planning to mine uranus for methane - not near as far to go.

Elliptical orbits are consentric in nature they have many postures all are redundant but not wrong .planning to mine uranus is a death sentance however ganameade is a better choise.

Thats not what my magic 8-ball said.

I defy you to name any two elliptical orbits of existing objects that are concentric. This may be theoretically possible, but I doubt there are any actual instances.

Done, 1 the earth 2 pluto.

The orbits of Earth and Pluto are most emphatically not concentric. (They are confocal on the Sun, along with those of the other planets, which is not the same.) But then your language skills leave vast amounts to be desired.

Undone

Earths orbit is consentric reason,as the earth orbits our sun there is a density factor of 2 its not 0 like a black hole many people think that space is a total vaccume its not ,consentric orbits are volume in space as the Earth revolves its pattern is more or less round and so is Plutos ,however Plutos consentric orbit is twice the earth meaning it has 2 orbits around the sun the earth has only one .The difference is density and in apature involvement the 2 are simular. Excentric orbits are planets like Mars and venus they revolve ,however in a very different way the orbital margen of these 2 are congluent in apature involvement meaning due to their atmospheres they become blayswidth wich allows an excentric orbits or woable .The cam or celestial body moves foward or back as inthe case with Venus.Mars Cam is 1,300 ft closer to the Earth every 1,891 Earth days for example.And then returns back.Ifyoudont know where you are going any road will take you there.

Zen... it's usually not an issue on CR4, since we have so many who's primary language is not English... but in this particular case I have to ask... why aren't you using the Spell Checker that is at the top of the window where you write your comments? It's the green check-mark with the ABC above it. I have to say, it would add something to your credibility... or at least it would stop detracting from it. Someone who is speaking of such high theories, and is getting so much flak from other members... one would think that that person would make the effort to use the very useful Spell Check that is directly available. I don't know what your native language is, but I'm sure that even most native English speakers use it every time. I do. It just makes sense.

It's just very odd because you seem to have an advanced knowledge of English words, but your spelling is atrocious. Strange combination.

I'm just sayin'...

Maybe he's working on a science fiction project? This propulsion scheme sounds vaguely like David Weber's hyperspace wedge drive in his Honor Harrington novels. At least Weber doesn't gussy it up in such dopey language.

Perhaps. If so, it's called "tech-speak". In science fiction programs, like Star Trek... when they write the dialogue for that week's episode, the writers simply write in "tech-speak" on the script, in the areas where the actors are supposed to mention some non-existent scientific tool or theory from the future. There are others that specialize in that, that later go in and fill it in with impressive relative-sounding gobble-dee-gook.

This is not sci fi its real and being developed, believe or not.

I suppose that some new propulsion scheme may be under development. However, you have provided no explanation at all. Instead you have thrown together a word salad of undefined terms, misspelled words, mispunctuated sentences, words used contrary to normal meanings, arithmetic errors, etc. Your efforts at communication are among the most dismally incompetent that I have ever encountered. I don't believe your scheme will ever work, either; but I might change my mind if given a cogent explanation. I'm not holding my breath.

Tornado is right, Zen. Believe me, I rarely agree with Tornado's curmudgeoness and abruptness. So I don't go there lightly. But in this case, you're guilty as charged. If you want to communicate this cutting edge information you have, and get a valid discussion going, make it easier for us to understand what the hell you're talking about. It almost seems like you are purposely attracting conflict with your bizarre communication style. All of that certainly takes away from your message.

You can't just come here and say "The sunn urbits arownd the erth, and thats becuas my algos prove that 1.4134 heptacars are pulling on the efervesent forces of the planetts."

That's not helping your case at all.

Just trying to help, dude.

Well said. The voting system seems to be saturated just now, but I can try later to credit this good answer.

Thank you. You know me. I'm pretty much one of those "Can't we all just get along?" kinda guys. But some of these posts seem to be coming from some other dimension.

hmmm... which poses the question... What would a post look like if a traveler from some other space & time were to come along and try to start a conversation?...

Maybe that's what's happening here? This guy sure seems to be from a different planet.

no different than the over unity guys

full of Hobbity goodness

Look i am sorry you don't understand this is a new technology and warrants alot of study and you are now seeing it for the first time, if I explain the inductive linear accelerator maybe you will get the light bulb over your head,BUT I AM NOT HOLDING MY BREATH EITHER.

`Twas brillig, and the slithy toves
Did gyre and gimble in the wabe:
All mimsy were the borogoves,
And the mome raths outgrabe.

"Beware the Jabberwock, my son!
The jaws that bite, the claws that catch!
Beware the Jubjub bird, and shun
The frumious Bandersnatch!"

He took his vorpal sword in hand:
Long time the manxome foe he sought --
So rested he by the Tumtum tree,
And stood awhile in thought.

And, as in uffish thought he stood,
The Jabberwock, with eyes of flame,
Came whiffling through the tulgey wood,
And burbled as it came!

One, two! One, two! And through and through
The vorpal blade went snicker-snack!
He left it dead, and with its head
He went galumphing back.

"And, has thou slain the Jabberwock?
Come to my arms, my beamish boy!
O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!'
He chortled in his joy.

`Twas brillig, and the slithy toves
Did gyre and gimble in the wabe;
All mimsy were the borogoves,
And the mome raths outgrabe.

"That's simplode a three four you to say." - Stanley Unwin

You are not capable of explaining anything whatsoever, so don't bother.

''Shadow of Saganami''

I have grave doubts about that. Except maybe for obfuscation, you don't seem to be an expert in anything whatsoever.

lets talk pumps ,chillers, molecular science, fractional science, astro phyiscs, nukes,what ever bring it on.

Okay, tell us something about pumps.

Have you come back again?

we wish _<sigh>

Trevor M had it right but, he focused upon the mass and trajectory of the planet "used" for the effect when the central issue of the original question was the connection between "slinghot" and "acceleration" which misdirects most potential answers. The main issue (to which Trevor M correctly alludes) is really that of VECTOR or, direction and speed. Planned spaceflights are optimized for particular planetary alignments to use the slingshot effect mostly to alter the direction of flight to that which is desired. Due to national, financial and other considerations, the launch point and chosen vehicle may not be able to achieve the desired vector without expending large (even prohibitive) amounts of fuel. A nearby planet (traveling in a favorable direction) can be approached at just the right angle to enter a partial orbit and then with little or no fuel expenditure exit orbit with its vector changed to that which is desired. I agree with Trevor M that no increase in velocity will result unless the direction of the momentarily "capturing" planet was aligned with the desired vector. John F

The OP may be right that the spaceship's speed after encountering the planet will again decrease to the same speed as before (relative to the planet). However, in the meantime the speed will be faster, which may be useful. This effect is similar to how a cycloid path is the fastest way for an object to move diagonally in a gravitional field. Apart from speed, the directional aspect of the spaceship's velocity changes.

The slingshot effect is not about one planet, it is about using more than one. If the spacecraft enters the pull of a second planet, before it has returned to it's original speed it has gained.

An object that does not have the initial velocity to escape the solar system can slingshot it's way out by working one planet at a time to the outer edges of the system and beyond.