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Solar Re-Fit Working

Posted September 12, 2011 5:05 AM by user-deleted-1105

The original system was very much a compromise, done on the cheap just to see if it worked.
Adding a separate coil for the solar hot water means it can be a totally separate system with its own header tank filled with antifreeze to run all year.

I took this opportunity to move the header tank for the central heating, which had been on the loft floor preventing access to this end of the loft.
The header/break tanks are (from left to right) Solar feed, central heating feed, domestic hot water/WC/upstairs cold water feed.
This system is a bit old fashioned and very British, but at least you don't have mains pressure water squirting everywhere.
You will see that I used the old original galvanised tank (inverted) to stand the new plastic one on (this was done many years ago, also the tank would not fit through the loft hatch to get it out), it increases the head for the cold water for gravity fed showers. I built up a wooden support bracket for the other two tanks to keep it neat and tidy.
I've got to finish the insulation and tidy up the vent pipework yet.

The installation is mostly done with plastic pipe which is suitable for central heating systems.
Theoretically the solar panels are an 'uncontrolled heat source', but in the UK they don't get hot enough for it to be a problem.
Plastic pipe doesn't look so tidy but it's cheaper and quick, the whole aesthetic of the pipework is slightly different, the end result having a more organic appearance. (I think Gaudi would approve of plastic piping). In the loft I've just used rubber strapping to secure the pipework, simple, effective, cuts down noise and vibration and is free if you have a load of old EPDM roofing sheet left over.


Refilling the system was a right pain.
First I tried to drain the old water from the panels. I have drain cocks on flow and return lines where they come down into my garage through the flat roof, but with both open I could barely get a trickle out. So I connected a garden hose to one drain cock and turned on the water … still nothing!
It turned out that the problem was the drain cock, the rubber washer had come off inside. Once I fixed that, the panels flushed out nicely.
The water still wouldn't circulate! I opened a joint on the suction side of the pump, nothing, not even a trickle. Ah, maybe it would help if I open the stopcock which I'd installed on the outlet to the header tank?
(You can never have too many stop cocks…or can you?)
I reopened the joint and there was water, but still no circulation.
So I moved upstairs to the hot water cylinder and boldly pulled off one of the coil connections… dry as a bone! I pushed it back on and went round rattling pipes (in a systematic and controlled manner!) Finally I opened that joint again and water squirted out.
The system sprang to life and I could soon tell it will be much more efficient.
There was only intermittent sunshine, but the system was working away warming the water.
The gas fired hot water now heats the upper coil from top to bottom (I swapped the pipes over to achieve this, as it was done the other way round in the old system) so it heats the top half of the tank which means it does it quicker. The solar coil being at the bottom can heat the cold incoming water which means the solar panels will start contributing heat at a lower temperature.

I still have plenty to do, making good, adding all the insulation and putting in the antifreeze.

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09/12/2011 5:27 AM

Good story, Del. Keep it coming!

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09/12/2011 7:04 AM

nice setup, I don't get much net access where I'm working at the moment, this was linked from Facebook :) the power for the pump/control, is that utility power, or a challenge for the extension project :)

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09/12/2011 7:17 AM

Yeah the pump is powered from utility power, but you are quite right a small pv panel and inverter would do the job.
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09/12/2011 9:07 AM

It would only cost a considerable premium for the power.

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09/12/2011 12:20 PM

Hi Del,

Thanks for the pictures...as they say, a picture tells a thousand stories!

Very nice installation!

Just curious, what type of insulation are you planning to use?

Thanks again - KJK

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09/12/2011 12:43 PM

Weeeeeell, Mrs Cat has been in the loft too and has been tidying.
She's found a load of old sleeping bags, cushions, curtains, an old pouffe and all sorts of stuff.
The sleeping bags will be good for around the hot water cylinder.
I might buy some polystyrene foam slabs to enclose all the header tanks, but it doesn't get cold enough to freeze them (or it hasn't in over 10 years).
The area beneath the header tanks isn't insulated, so a bit of heat goes up from the bathroom to stop 'em freezing.
The pipework for the solar heating will have plastic foam insulation round it. I'll post another pic or two when it's all done.
I've allready patched the hole in the garage ceiling
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09/13/2011 4:05 AM

You wrote:-

(You can never have too many stop cocks…or can you?)

No Cock! (British humour!)

But what you may need are a couple of cocks high up in the system to bleed air out when filling and to let it in when draining.

Great job by the way, thanks for letting us know.....

Have you got an old PC or laptop so that you can monitor the solar panel temperature day and night and save the infos to a hard disk. Then monitor the on time for the heating in comparison....Not difficult to do nowadays.

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09/13/2011 4:33 AM

Yeah, data logging would be fun, but I've got bows to make... Actually the last one I was making broke, but it was a dodgy bit of wood which had a huge sideways bend which I'd straightened with heat, and that was where it broke.

I'm always careful with the layout of feed pipe and vent pipes, having worked on a CH system which just wouldn't fill due to airlocks.
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