UFOs, are they real

some people believe it existing, others not.

most of them are nature phenomena. none see else.

but as a search, its interesting.

UFOs are often reported as making impossible maneuvers at incredible speeds - like a right-angle turn at mach 8, for example, without so much as one tap on the brakes. Reports routinely mention weird lights, strange electromagnetic effects on nearby objects and, of course, a means of propulsion that counters gravity or, at least, doesn't depend on ejecting something so crude as rocket fuel to get an equal and opposite reaction.

Having never seen a UFO; much less never having had a meaningful technical discussion with its occupants, I'm left to pure speculation, sadly. But offhand, I'd say these critters (or whatever they are) have not only discovered the Higgs boson, but have mastered its most fundamental applications. For instance, if you could eliminate inertia, think of how maneuverable your craft could be. If you could negate the effects of mass altogether (including inertia), it wouldn't take much to stop on a dime or accelerate to incredible speeds in the wink of an eye. Gravity would have little or no effect were there no mass to influence. The mere flap of a butterfly's wings could hold your craft aloft.

Higgs bosons have a lot to do with mass - and much more. We need to get busy.

You've never seen an object in the sky that you couldn't identify?

I've seen some birds of prey which I couldn't identify...do they count as UFOs?

I remember the first kingfishe I ever saw ...stunning...it took a few minutes before I worked out what that was!

Errata...

Kingfisher

http://www.rspb.org.uk/wildlife/birdguide/name/k/kingfisher/

Strictly speaking, that's an erratum, there being only one of them.

ER

Fellow of the Institution of Pedants and Nitpickers
c/o Fyz

Shmuck

Although technically you're right:

- Did anyone ever use the form 'Bacterium'? - No? - Why?

Because it's rarely appears to be singular.

Ditto.

"...Because it's rarely appears to be singular..."

Should be:

"...Because it rarely appears to be singular..."

W.T.F

I was about to correct you but didn't want to be an a$$...

Yes - when talking about a single species.

O.K Rose, you've got me cold, red-handed.

Re: #174

Sorry ER,

Del had it right. His second post (#5) is technically an "errata" page. Pedantically, as you admitted, he probably should have uttered "erratum..." on his "errata" page, but then...

Corrigendum: "An error in a printed work that is corrected after it has been printed by inclusion of a separate page of corrections, known as an errata page".

-John

Suggestion to a thread:

Nitpicking: Should it be legal?

"Nitpicking: Should it be legal?"

"Nitpicking is the act of removing nits (the eggs of lice, generally head lice) from the host's hair".

You're not a host are you Yuval?

Can a cat with furry eyebrows even be a host?

Do you have "hair" or "fur" (fur/hair, is that nitpicking)?

Yup. As I initially thought, It's about boredom, and nothing else.

I can relax now, and go about my usual business

So why is Star Trek: Next Generation's character Data called, well, "Data?" Does he have multiple personalities? If not, shouldn't he be called "Datum?"

Well, when he starts rattling off information they get too much data, hence the name. If he spoke only one idea or one point at a time, they would probably have called him "Datum".

That's just my ideum .

I have never seen an object in the sky that I could not identify. Just unlucky, I guess.

There's a joke of this native American visiting the zoo for the first time, seeing a giraffe.

He goes: "uh-uh! There's no such animal!"

"...right-angle turn at mach 8..."

Mechanically immune to high G? It can shear molecular structure, unless they're crystal-based creatures, and even then, they might suffer from piezo-fatigue or emission...

If, somehow, the effects of mass and inertia were negated, no force would be experienced. Force = mass × acceleration; F = ma. m = 0 --> F = 0. Conversely, a = F/m. As m --> 0, a --> ∞.

That's only because you're still thinking "inside the box" (see post #15).

I suppose though, it's something we all must do. It's the human condition.

-John

The central point of my post is that, with the control of mass, F = ma as a critical factor becomes completely irrelevant.

As I said....

I reckon we're both on the same möbius strip, non? Just coming at it from different sides.

So, there you have it!

Negate inertia and you're an alien!

Pedantically YES of course they exist by definition! Any flying object which is not identified is a UFO.

But I know what you mean...

I live near Stansted Airport and we get some very weird optical illusions as planes go in to land.

If you are driving towards the oncoming plane it seems to just be stationary, then as the flight path changes for landing (or you change diection yourself) it appears to move out of view very quickly.

In the evening the stream of planes going up looks like a slow motion Roman Candle going off...a steady stream of lights going up into the sky.

I'd love to believe in 'em but I don't...there are enough naturally occuring phenomema which we can't explain without having to invent more. (Ball lightning was a thread not long ago....this is a real phenomenon which we can't explain).

I'm sure most of us 'jobbing designers' would love to invent anti-gravity or time travel...the biggest buzz we are likely to get is inventing some minor part or a clever software routine or designing a well used product.

Must get back to building my Interrossiter.

Just do some simple math.

How close is the nearest planet outside our solar system?

What speed can you travel through space at?

How long does it take to get there and back?

I don't mean to be rude but could you stay in your box and let others explore the fantastic. It's discussions like these that bring humans a little bit closer to breakthroughs in science and technology. (bit of an exaggeration)

The are Aliens. That's the point.

Who said they would travel "through" space? Why not warp the Space/time continuum, fold space or use some other unknown way, that we just haven't figured out yet. Or are you saying that we have discovered everything to be known.

Mmmmm.. Heard that before. Wasn't it around the 1800's that someone quoted that.

People once believed that you would die from lack of air if you rode in a train.

Think Wide, Think New, Think Big.

Don't let ANYBODY tell you what's possible. YOU could be the one to stumble upon a commercial application and practical way to utilise "low energy nuclear reactions" (cold fusion) or even if your really lucky find out where have all my socks gone.

Alastair?

Hi geomech,

"Who said they would travel "through" space?"

I didn't. We (us aliens) got tired of the accusations and just decided we were "through" with space. Not to say we won't continue to utilize it as we need to though.

"People once believed that you would die from lack of air if you rode in a train."

Apparenty you didn't ride in the last train that I did. If you had smelled the air... (whew!)

Cold fusion. Now that's a concept you humans should spend more time on. You just might be on to something here geo. Stay tuned.

Kudos.

Distance is irrelevant. Time is irrelevant. The nature of the balckhole is not yet understood. Let us discuss this possibilty and the speed of light becomes more like the speed of nachos.

mmmm...nachos. with gaucamole....mmmmmmmm...and pico...mmm..I gotta go.

I.e. your socks:

Well, of course they went from the dryer to Dimension X!

UFO's, by definition, do exist. Anything that's flying and has not been identified, is a UFO. The better question is, do aliens exist.

Okay, ignoring my user id...

This question was tackled by Carl Sagan in one of his books. He didn't give a specific answer, just to say that it is impossible to really say with certainty that alien life does or doesn't exist. His only comment that showed his line of thinking was that the possibility for circumstances and ingredients to come together in just the right way and quantity is so small as to be nearly impossible.

Might there be life in other planets or star systems? There may be but not as we know it. If life does form easily, it's possible that most life on other planets and star systems are just in the form of bacteria.

Is there life on or in Jupiter? People might argue that the gases on that planet are toxic and corrosive and the constant storms raging on its surface will kill any lifeform on it. But that's thinking in terms of life here on earth. For sure, we would die on Jupiter. There may be other forms of life that are resistant to the gases or maybe even use them to survive. They would probably die here on earth. In fact, I'm sure of that.

The other question is, if alien life does exist, will it be advanced enough for interstellar travel? There would be no way to calculate that! Could they be orbiting us right now, observing, studying us? Or maybe even influencing our lives in some way?

Do I believe in them? I'd like to, for some reason. It sort of gives me hope that if the inhabitants of some planet or star system has evolved or survived to reach the stars, we might eventually be able to do that same.

Carl Sagan in one of his books. He didn't give a specific answer, just to say that it is impossible to really say with certainty that alien life does or doesn't exist. His only comment that showed his line of thinking was that the possibility for circumstances and ingredients to come together in just the right way and quantity is so small as to be nearly impossible.

So it needs a whole book to conclude ..

a) You can't tell...

b) We obviously don't exist...

I never could figure out why he was popular...his stuff always struck me as a triumph of presentation over content.

No, the whole book wasn't about calculating the odds for or against alien life. More like a chapter or so.

Part of the book (I forget the title, I left the book when I moved residence), dealt with what physical form might an alien take (if they exist).

He didn't say that we obviously don't exist. It's just that we are more likely to be a fortuitious creation. A collection of molecules that came together and formed bacteria or simple single cell life forms. These later cooperated and joined together and formed more complex life forms. Then he adds that the chances of the same thing happening again on a different planet, is probably very low.

Curiously, he mentioned that forming the elements of life is not that difficult. He described an experiment where all the elements that form life (carbon, hydrogen, oxygen, etc) were placed in glass jar and the conditions of the early earth were simulated. What these were, I can't recall except that part of it involved lightning, which was simulated by using electrical sparks. A brownish gunk started to form around the inside of the jar which were similar to amino acids or something. It wasn't alive in any real sense, but the soup (as he called it) could have the potential to become life if given the right conditions.

I never could figure out why he was popular

You already mentioned the reason. He was an accomplished teacher/professor. He could make a presentation and make it interesting for the listener or reader. Most scientists do not make public presentations but he did it well. Whether his presentation had content depends on the listener.

Thanks for the explanation...

It makes much more sense now...

It's just that we are more likely to be a fortuitious creation.

Bravo! Please send your come to Gamza ! He obviously needs to exercise his brain.

Errata.

Please send your copy to Gamza... etc

I liked the first rendition better. ROFLMAO.

Hi Jules,

If some one really knew than it would not be an unidentified, flying object.

I can tell you that if you read in the bible, Ezekiel 1:4 and read on. Now keep in mind that in Ezekiel's day the only technoliogy was a donkey, a cart wheels on the cart that were supposed to ride up, and down, but Ezekiel describes it as on it's side.

In verse 7 called colour of burnished brass, but taken back to the original text it's highly polished bronze. God's Thrown was on this vessel and there was two, or more of them. So you read it and tell me.

Gamza

Bringing Light to chaos

I have always found Ezekiel fascinating and wondered about all the "UFOs" in the Bible. To bring this down to earth, as it were, what technology do you think runs all these unidentified but clearly present flying objects that are seen in the sky, such as the "rods" phenomenon recently televised in L.A., CA?

I am not convinced that everything we see is otherworldly or alien technology. I am convinced that some people see things that are not readily explained in Popular Science.

Those Rod things I've seen on TV seem to be just seem to be a product of shutter speed and/or raster scan on large flying insects.

Hi,

Del The Cat comes the closest. The reason we can not see them is yes they are in another dimensions. That is why we can not see God. In order to see him, we must die first, unless God wants us to see. Gideon ask God to pull back the vail so his servant could see God's army. When God pulled it back there was legions of angels waiting to slay His enemies. Also look at the chariots of fire.

There is a lot of action in the skies, but they will never find one. God will not allow it.

" man thinks too much of himself, if he thinks he could destroy this earth, or ozone, or change the weather." " Only God can!"

Please read Zechariah Sitchin. I believe I shall Blog that topic.......

forget outer space! when we gaze upon the unseen quark, when we squint to focus upon that tiny bit of Everything, do we see what's there? If the lighting is just right, can we make them out? There, there it is! A village, a township. An ocean and a world! Teeming with life. Apparent light years away from its nearest galaxy neighbor. Days brightened by a setting photon.

Innerspace - are we there yet?

Box? I don't see a freakin box.

Any reference to Mars, must be through kohagen, via Arnold.

Other applications or requests must be served in triplicates:

- In Musical Form

- In Random Outbursts Form

- In Regal Form

- In A Six-Pack Form

- In A Clone Wars Form

Pick any three

I've been squinting just as hard as I can but I still can't see that darn quark! Maybe it's just hiding because of that fly swatter I'm carrying around.

Good one! LMAO

Very very funny, glad I clicked!

Jules

Perhaps you are uncomfortable with the notion that we exist right now in a petri dish?

The reference to Sitchin is intended to highlight Sumerian, Assyrian and Babylonian historical records. Not so much the "circus fare" of recent times (I honestly hadn't kept pace with the old dodger, he or VonDanikken).

Nevertheless, I dismiss nothing more than I am willing to embrace it. I'll be Wilbur you be Orville. Together we can spur one another toward success revealing truth and fantasy along the way. But in the end one of us will taste the crow.

Nephilim?

Genesis 3 v1-24 (note: v5,22)

please see avatar

Okay, you guys have driven me to distraction with all this talk of Quarks and Sitchen and Von Danikken (a favorite). How about some Edgar Cayce? I can't stands no more!

It's my turn.

Who thinks we descended (ascended?) from apes, raise your hands. Who thinks we grew out of the slime of the biological petri dish? Who thinks we once lived in the ocean as fish then swam out and grew legs? Who thinks we are seeded here by some Alien fathers, perhaps those awful lizard kings? Who thinks we are here because an intelligent being (God) put us here as part of His Great Experiment? Who thinks we have Sixth Sense? Who thinks we are interdimensional beings who can disappear and reappear? Who thinks our DNA has been modified to reduce our knowledge of all things? Who thinks we are originally descended from Adam and Eve? Who thinks the that a Being Greater Than Us watches over us and is available at all times to help us? Who believes in Angels? Who believes in Ghosts? Who believes in Heaven? Who believes in Hell? Who believes in Karma? Who believes in the wheel of reincarnation?

Does this qualify as a new thread or shall we just take it from here?

Jules

One might pose the simple question, "Who thinks?"

You have a point vermin. If we don't know what we are, looking back to where we come from may be secondary. Then again, maybe it's the only way to find out what we are. Toooo much for me, but it's all sort of interesting. Maybe Photonicgirl/vermin/Kris/all here are just electronic blips in a vast and complex system. A passing ET might think so. The interactions that make up each persons 'being' and result in postings here, are so complex that long-range weather forecasts look simple by comparison. This is way too philosophical for me, but have fun folks.

Or how about this... For the last couple of days, there's been a few videos circulating on You-Tube of a rather talented street magician named Cyril. He does his stuff in Japan, and some of his tricks are mind-blowing - like sneezing off his own head, and then putting it back on.

While the theater of magic is fun, I'm guessing that a lot of tricks are a matter of particularly clever engineering. So, what about an Engineering of Magic thread?

"...So, what about an Engineering of Magic thread?..."

Clarke's Third Law: Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. (Arthur C Clarke),

Or coles law (thinly sliced cabage).

Thick Irish sausages would go nice with that. It really is in the taste isn't it.

Sorry JJ, that was me. Just my little jokey pun.

Which pun?

Does your jocky run in Chester?

He had to go supervise 'hinds' at Berkeley.

It would be interesting to meet the members of the Berkeley family, I'm assuming they're a right good representation of the upper-class twit.

This is the whole social problem with England rolled up in a nut shell. You let these murdering, imperialistic morons back into the country as the empire crumbled, and allowed them to bring all their spoil with them. They then set themselves up as Lords and ladies, and want nothing to do with the common Englander whatsoever. So while they sit on most of the money and wouldn't think of putting it to any better use than clipping coupons, they live the high-life while the rest of you poor sods are drowning in massive unemployment and an incredibly high cost of living...

Did it ever occur to you that fox hunting is a metaphor for hunting down the poor villager that's trying to put a bit of meat on the family table by poaching one of "Me Lord's" precious rabbits?!

Isn't just about time to ask France if you can borrow Madame Le Farge and the guillotine?

For some inexplicable reason I am aware of the issues vermin. It could just be my location. Whilst your summary is generally right on the spot, there is a lot more I could add about the nature of the 'landed-gentry' and followers of such 'sports' as hunting. It may be a tad too off-topic even for me. I suspect that the USA has some very similar folks, just dressed in different names and engaged in different activities. I could go from the 'land of opportunity' the whole yardage including Carnegie Steel and crack-house. I suspect that not many indigenous Americans are on CR4 to give us a full comparison. A debate on who's toffs gave/took more from the world could be very lively. Being from the crappy end of the hamlet I could probably have a good stab at it .

For the most part, you have to remember that the English folk that migrated to the New World were motivated by the work ethic. Also, all other immigrants were motivated by the ethic of creating a better life for themselves and their family. It was all capitalism-based.

I hope I don't come across as racists - with the exception of Afro-Americans, who where brought here kicking and screaming. They are the only racial group that was brought to America without the dream of bigger and better lives for themselves and their families. For them immigration meant doom.

I thought that for a lot of early emigrants from Europe, persecution was a precursor to settling in America and the whole work-ethic thing. I was also having a slight dig at the fact that ( as with the British empire) aboriginal (pre-Columbian) people were quickly shafted by the newcomers. From what little I know America has a strong bootstrapping work-ethic, but it's not the only place that does. Ghettos are a global thing, even if by different names in different places.

Vermin, you left out the religious freedom that people were seeking when they left Europe to come to the "new world." I had a friend that did some studies in Phillipino history and lo and behold, there were slaves here on the U.S. before any came over from Africa. Oh, and do not forget about those Irish people that were brought over and forced into slavery.

You bugger ! I was just about to come here and re-ignite it !! Will somebody explain all this probing business to me. It only seems to occur in America.

Hmmmmmmmm, homo erotica? I don't get it either. Maybe it is their way of looking at what it is that we (the people that the "abduct") have been eating lately. Instead of just doing simple blood tests. Wouldn't they have something (if "they"- the aliens were so advanced) to just be able to look at us with a scope of some sort and see what it is that they want to see? I think they are just video taping it and taking it back to their base and showing the reactions of the different humans as a sort of Blooper video.

They are probably scanning us as we type ! It's seriously funny to think they might come all this way and look up someones bum.

They are not probing, they are implanting. Duhhh!

Have you ever heard of the Podiatrist that was approached by an "abductee"? He claimed to have an implant in his arm and asked this guy if he could take it out of him (I guess the good dr. was a believer in ufo's and abductions). The first thing the dr. noted was that there was no sign of scar tissue from the piece of "metal" being implanted (from cutting the skin), next nerves had grown around and attached to the implant, the body did not respond to the implant like it would a typical foreign object, and lastly when the nerves were cut away from the device(?) the slight signal that was being emitted by the object was silenced. Oh, and did I mention that (supposedly) the object was made up of materials that were non earthly (not on the element charts), cue X-Files theme again... Or how about Close encounters?

Scroll down to #501 - the babes are born !

I don't get 501, maybe I am just too dense right now to understand the reference....

There are some vids on youtube that are taken from the space shuttle, look it up some of them are pretty cool. There is a reference; though, that I could not find. It is in regards to a picture taken from a Geosynchronous satellite that supposedly shows a photo of a Huge A$# UFO. I have found references and I am assuming Reproductions of the pic(s) but not the real thing. July 17, 1992 - Earth Orbit, GEOS-8 Satellite, Space this is the thing to look up but if you google this ref. nothing comes up. At least for me nothing happened.

Oops, I meant 521 ! Even worse. I can't even recall know why I said it ! I'd better go and lie down.

Ron Paul seems to be the only candidate that understands what the constitution means and how our current administration has been destroying it.

Hey vermin,

You said "the rest of you poor sods are drowning in massive unemployment and an incredibly high cost of living..."

I believe right now most of the folks in the U.K. are drowning in WATER!

That's what I've heard!!! Was this another "perfect storm" from the North Sea?