Warthogs Redeploy to Europe

One of my favorite quotes:

Laziness has become the chief characteristic of journalism, displacing incompetence.
- Kingsley Amis

All respect for the machine, but the battlefield choice is wrong. Why not setting these up for sale, along with other hardware?

ahhh,.... I was just going to unsubscribe..... think I'll hang around for a bit more.

Well, I'm not sure how long it will take for me to rummage through the many storage totes down in the basement.

You may not want to wait.

So it delivers all the happy things for life? Together with other life threatening new inventions and personal freedom restricting exports?

There is something basically wrong with the mind set on the West side of the planet (not yours personally)

We are morally bankrupt to name the worst one and this is one you cannot fight yourself out with wars. Killings is a better name for murders?

Expansionist Putin?

Yes, the Russians bomb Yugoslavia, Irak, Libia, Yemen, Afghanistan, Syria and

overthrow governments all over the planet.

More than 80 interventions after 1945

You must love to pay for all that with money you don't have. Bringing the world into submission has been tried before and has failed always.

I know what a battlefield looks like on the receiving side.

Perhaps organize some trips for John Doe's?

I suppose you would rather be speaking Russian or Chinese instead? Or better yet, speak Arabic or Farsi?

The United States fought all over the World to counter Communism. We didn't conquer other countries and occupied them like other nations have done throughout history, repeatedly. That's what makes the USA stand out against other nation states, and why so many want to come here.

Remember, we won the Cold War, and save the peace, instead of suffering from a Global Thermonuclear War. And presently, we are entering Cold War II. If you've been paying attention (not being a Sheeple w/ one's head buried in the sand or head up one's ass), both Russia and China are both expanding their Strategic nuclear forces and tactical forces, because of both nations being flush with cash (Russia = Oil; China = manufacturing). Did you even know that Red China has recently installed MIRV warheads for the first time on their newly improved ICBM's? Did you know that they are in a head long rush building hundreds of underground bunker complexes for their government functionality, as well as all branches of their military?

And let's not forget that currently there is a Worldwide Islamic Caliphate underway, or didn't you know that? What the LameStream Media doesn't report or distort can fill volumes on a daily basis. And too many Americans are blind to it, or too self-absorbed.

Don't give me that crappola false (P)rogressive claptrap narrative about Imperial America. You have been listening to Obama and his minions too much.

Far better men than you died defending this country, by protecting freedom around the World. No other country can say that. I know some of them. Want a list of names of people I knew personally? So, what EXACTLY have you done for your country? Trampling on the flag doesn't count. And IF you don't like it, then by all means please leave. May I suggest relocation to North Korea, Iran, of ISIS-held territories.....yeah, good luck with that.

All the languages you suggest I used to speak and understand. I have done work for these countries in a constructive way for our countries in the science field.

The dying is always done by the manipulated and stupid innocent people. But they are still dead. The bombing and shooting is not with candies and sugar, but with deadly destructive "toys". And the blood of everyone is red.

North Korea, I haven't been there and is not on my wish list.

I don't trample flags and respect currencies, but war and war economies I consider a far less healthy approach than dialog and diplomacy.

Was there ever any reason to defend your country overseas? Against who? Have you seen any lethal act of war inside your country?

(who was on the US borders to attack you?)

There is a bigger picture, where we fail to look at. The occupation has taken different approaches - it is economically now and works with virtual worldwide states with no vote power and even no choice of (their sovereign) law of the land. It is a cheaper way of colonizing and exploitation for the colonial.

It seemed to work for quite some years, but comes under stress. We can argue who instignated WW1 and WW2, even the Russian revolution before that and how the USSR was brought to collapse,

I am not saying that the world would be better, with Russia and/or China or some other nation as absolutist, but I prefer a balance over one ruler.

Just like you I failed to say stop to rulers that work for an interest, different to the peoples'. And further failing will put is back in feudal ages, worldwide.

Cap. I don't want to get political on this forum, since this is not the place. Let us decide for another 10 years of truce and discuss it again then.

And both enjoy a happy life.

Sorry, I just don't buy the Pink Unicorns, Rainbows, Utopia , Bright pretty sprinkles, and sugar-coated corn flakes mentality and arguments. Nope, not one bit.

The World is a very dangerous place, and the more people realize it, the better off we all are. Wandering around in a daze ignoring and wishing away the evils of the World invites tyranny. Wishing it away, and the people that perpetrate it, doesn't end well for one side, the appeasers.

No one in the military in their right mind wants war and killing. I certainly didn't and don't. We want peace as much as the next guy, but GD, someone has to do it. But, having strong standing armies most often prevents one country from attacking and overwhelming another. The armed forces are used primarily as a deterrent. To act otherwise invites aggression. Remember Britain's PM Neville Chamberlain's appeasement of Hitler? There are many other examples throughout history, and if you choose not to learn from it you are doomed to repeat it. None of it ended well for the weak side.

And without the three percent of Colonialists that fought the Tyrannical British Crown we would not have an United States of America. It would not exist today. Yes, only III%! That was it! Today, it is less than 0.8 percent serving (and shrinking), to secure and preserve your freedoms. I think you own them a huge apology and big thank you, including my only son, who is serving in the USAF Security Forces. Yes, those 0.8% of Americans who are the only persons standing between you and our enemies. Without them, you would face a fate worse then death. Has that sunken in yet?

Sometimes, a nation has a call to arms. You may not agree with it at all. Fine, that's your right, and I'll die to protect your God Given rights guaranteed under the Bill of Rights and U.S. Constitution. Many times it is necessary for National security purposes, such as national economic and social survival. But remember this, if this nation intercedes for whatever reason, say for instance oil, it is to preserve the American way of life. That includes you as well. It includes all of us. But remember this: you use gasoline and oil products in your car(s), as well as a myriad of other oil-based products each and every day. Name me one thing in your every day life that doesn't have a link to oil in some manner, way or form. You'd be hard-pressed to do so. Without that single commodity being safeguarded by our armed forces and those of our allies, our technology and everything it is based on crumbles to the ground or grinds to an abrupt halt. Yes, we've grown too dependent on it, and it's too late to turn back the hands on the clock. Everything material that you have known throughout your entire life is based on that one most important of all commodity, and yes, we sometimes have to go to war to protect our oil lifeline. Am I apologetic about this. Hell no, and I'll be the first to say that the liberation of Kuwait (and protection of Saudi Arabia and the other Gulf States during Persian Gulf War I) was over oil. I'm grounded in life's realities. To look away would have invited Saddam Insane to overrun the entire Arabian Sandbox and other neighbors, and hence he would have ended up controlling over 2/3's of the World's proven oil reserves.....under his thumb. If that had happen, the economies of nearly every country on the planet would have collapsed. By using your arguments, it appears that you would have accepted Saddam's tyranny, thus letting him off the hook, by relying solely on dialog and diplomacy. But that didn't work well did it? It utterly failed miserably for 7 months in a row following his invasion of tiny Kuwait, with the useless hand-tied UN passed one resolution after another, yet Saddam remained un-fazed, and still entrenched. And while the UN twiddled with they're useless thumbs up their collective backsides, Saddam's henchmen killed scores of Kuwaitis, many times for the sport of it, or just to rob them of their personal affects or even steal the clothes on their backs. Yeah, delays due to repeated dialog and diplomacy failures (instead of immediate armed intervention) didn't save those port devils, who slaughtered like sheep. Instead it probably hasten their demise, if anything. I will tell you this, my unit was one of the first in U.S. Army to liberate Kuwait City from the north. I'll also tell you, that I ordered my troops to cut down dozens of very dead Kuwaitis who had been tortured, mutilated, and murdered by Saddam's Army before they bugged out. Many gutted and decapitated. Yes, men, women, and even children....entire families wiped out. Many hanging from cranes with hands tied behind their backs, and many more lines up against walls and shot in the back of their heads. Russian execution style. Perhaps you saw those photographs in Newsweek, time, the NYT, or whatever the newspaper in your berg is named. I will gladly send you photos that I took of the atrocities. All in living color, if you wish. I guarantee it will turn your guts inside out. What has been seen, cannot be unseen.....the face of evil incarnate.

You say that a person who joins this country's military are manipulated, stupid, and innocent? I don't see it that way. Far from it! What a sick, twisted and ill-informed person you really are. Do you believe your own press too? No, not one damn bit do I buy that trash. Many of those persons join knowing the risks involved, are Patriots, do it for honor duty, and the love of country. They're not stupid either. Some of the finest minds this country has ever produced have joined the military.

Please don't lecture me on combat and battle-related death and dismemberment. I've seen it all too much in 2 conflicts, and many skirmishes which still remain Classified to this day and that I cannot discuss. Am I proud of killing the enemy? No, but it was either me or them. But I will tell you this, I am proud of serving my country, and for protecting my Brothers and they protecting me. Frankly, you'll never understand it if you have never walked in my shoes or have served in combat, even for a 100-yards.

Sorry, dialog and diplomacy can only work so far, and many times fall short in the face of a determined aggressor. Failures of the politicians almost inevitably results in the U.S. military cleaning up after the politicians...usually, a very sordid mess.

This is all I am going to say on this matter. We can agree to disagree.

Armies tend to clean up political mess, to make the opponent weaker and ready for dialog. If instead of a dialog it turns out to be the winner takes it all (or too much), new problems will be created until the sh*t hits the fan again.

I have all respect for the military, enabling you a bright career.

You did a great job in desert storm, because as I said politics made this mess. Then you came, fixed it quickly and politics turned it even into a much bigger mess.

Sadam was our ally before (or go back to Persia to get even more history and dissect to where it got in to) and used up his useful time.

He went to rob the bank, just as others do now.

Nothing has really changed.

Same with IS, Isis or Isil, or whatever post invasion names apply.

And Russia moved closer with their landmass towards Nato bases?

(how many are there on the globe?)

The world's answer doesn't seem to be understood.

Perhaps we need to stick a flower on our skull again and go to San Francisco. (essential hair is missing)

The solution depends on who wants to benefit (or suffer less) in the ongoing crisis.

I do not see a lot of points to disagree with, only polarization of minds.

27 million Russian casualties in WW2 is not in our history books either.

And your or my opinion is not going to change the outcome.

True love:

http://rinf.com/alt-news/war-terrorism/ukraine-partnering-with-natoto-the-surprise-of-no-one/

The root of most conflict is really not military, but religion.... Or under the guise of religion.....Ohhhh, now look, you made me go and say it.

kramarat, is that you??