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Posted November 30, 2018 4:45 PM by lmno24

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11/30/2018 4:52 PM

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11/30/2018 4:58 PM

I looks like there's a leak in that prop.

How about some Flex Seal?

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11/30/2018 5:26 PM

So I flew right into the beak end of a woodpecker at 150 knots...

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11/30/2018 5:27 PM

Well, I guess that propeller is shot...

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11/30/2018 7:12 PM

"LUCKY WRIGHT'S ESCAPE Lt "Lucky" Edwin Wright, just over 19 yrs. old, just returned from his 39th mission- over Munster. He got hit by flak but continued on his mission dropped his bombs, did a spot of strafing and retuned. When he got back he found a hole 8ins. in diameter through his 11ins. diam prop blade, caused by a direct hit from an ack ack shell. If the shell had deviated an inch and a half either side, his blade would have severed and he would have been brought down. This is the 6th. time that Wright has been hit by Flak and is now known as “Lucky Wright”. He has 5 and a half months of combat to his credit and 39 missions. He belongs to a Republic Thunderbolt Squadron commanded by Major J Sherwood. Roger LIFE'"

http://www.americanairmuseum.com/media/9699

"Lieutenant Edwin Wright of the 404th Fighter Group shows off the damage to his P-47 Thunderbolt, October 1944. Wright was part of the Ninth Air Force, which moved its bases from Britain to mainland Europe after D-Day in order to provide closer support to the advancing troops. This picture was taken near St Trond, Belgium. By the time this photograph was taken, the 19-year-old had completed 39 missions and survived being hit by flak six times. Wright's squadron nicknamed him 'Lucky' for his ability to evade death. The hole here measured 8 inches (20 cm) in diameter in an 11-inch propeller. If the damage had been an inch and a half over on either side, the blade would have severed and Wright would have been brought down."

https://www.iwm.org.uk/history/american-airmen-in-britain-during-the-second-world-war

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12/01/2018 12:07 AM

He survived both world war 2 and the korean war .

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12/03/2018 1:43 PM

Thanks for sharing that and doing the research!

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11/30/2018 5:30 PM

Orville displays why the timing of his prop and his machine gun are so critical.

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11/30/2018 6:57 PM

Head Mechanic: ”Joe,... bring out a 5 gallon pail of JBWeld.”

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11/30/2018 9:56 PM

Don't you mean two buckets?

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11/30/2018 7:09 PM

If we look at the hole problem, it strikes me, that we have a timing problem?

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12/01/2018 12:43 AM

Wow - takes me back to my Father's best buddy in the neighborhood in small town Nebraska...

He was turrent gunner on the Tondelayo B-25 fighting off several Japanese planes in WWII

Wonderful, gentle man...loved him as family

https://www.collingsfoundation.org/aircrafts/north-american-b-25-mitchell/

https://ww2aircraft.net/forum/threads/b-25d-tondelayo.31856/

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12/01/2018 4:52 AM

Yes wing commander we did set the guns to fire between the props but they keep sending us these cheap timing belts that stretch.

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12/01/2018 11:47 AM

Unfortunately, the Timex watch did not survive this test.

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12/01/2018 3:39 PM

The Army's flesh-eating bacteria has evolved into metal-eating. It is not popular with the Air Force.

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12/01/2018 10:54 PM

Rotor shooter, that's his name

Friendly fire just shot down my plane

Rotor shooter! Rotor shooter! Rotor shooter!

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12/01/2018 11:17 PM

Birdstrike , Damn .

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12/02/2018 1:11 AM

"P-47 Thunderbolt - Takes a lickin' and keeps on tickin'."

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12/03/2018 1:59 PM

That was the first Revell model I ever built. The Thunderbolt was my favorite.

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12/05/2018 12:36 AM

Razorback or bubble canopy?

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12/05/2018 11:33 AM

Bubble canopy. My first attempt at modeling was ummmm . . . . not very impressive.

I might recall that old plastic model was launched from the roof with a couple of lit cherry bombs taped under the wings.

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12/05/2018 2:03 PM

was a GI Joe involved in that covert operation? lol

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12/05/2018 6:04 PM

That was a different campaign.

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12/05/2018 7:46 PM

I see,...’TOP SECRET’,... got it...

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12/02/2018 9:33 AM

And this is where I got my head stuck, on dare from Fred...

It all begin when I said to Fred, the hole is as big as my head...

then Fred said, I dare your head cant fit in the hole.

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12/03/2018 10:44 AM

here is a picture of Jim in his younger years...

His parents knew of their little Jimmy's talent... but they had hoped he'd out grow it.

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Re: Caption Ths for 11/30/2018 . Forensics

12/02/2018 10:40 AM

"You Can't Handle the Truth..." Nicholson

OK you ordinance forensic experts, time to weigh in. I have questions:

1.) By the curl of the prop metal the round entered from behind.
Does this mean that the prop was shot from behind ?

2.) From the roundness of the hole it appears that the round came
at an extremely acute angle if not straight from behind.
Could this have been from flying very close to the ground ?
Or from a persuing plane ? Or friendly fire ?

3.) Many Anti-Aircraft guns were 40mm.
Is the diameter (200mm) of this hole consistent with a
40mm round ? If not, what caused the hole ?

4.) Flack was often explosive. This very symmetric hole seems
more consistent with a non-explosive round. I see no holes
in the motor cowling. Does this mean that it was a
non-explosive round ?

5.) Could a spinning prop with this much damage have stayed
together even with the leading and trailing edges intact ?
Was the prop stationary when shot and then mounted for theatric effect ?

I am not judgemental here. Drama during wartime is important for morale. The fellow's fortuitous record needed some mental image to popularize the message to the masses. I think we "can handle the truth" now.
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12/02/2018 2:16 PM

1) yes.

2) yes from behind. Possibly, it does mention in the article above he was on a bombing and low altitude strafing mission.

3) not sure what flak round was used at that time without further research. Could have been a very common German 8.8 cm variant which used a 20lb shell. That could caused the sized hole in my opinion.

4) Flak was often explosive because it made it easier to hit a target. I am not sure if the round that hit was fitted with a proximity fuse or similar but it is possible the fuse failed or the round was not fitted with a fuse. Either way the damage profile is most likely due to solid sound projectile.

5) Weirder things have happened. There are many stories with photographic evidence of military planes safely landing with extreme damage.

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12/02/2018 11:07 PM

Considering the lack of damage to the cowl, I'd go with a solid round while low level bombing/strafing, or air-to-air damage by a 20 or 30 mm cannon shell.

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12/03/2018 9:07 AM

Cowl Damage and Picture Differences

In looking more carefully for cowl damage, I tried to divine what
rotational angle the prop may have had when the round hit.
Judging by the offset of the holes in the back side of the prop
to the front side and presuming that the round came from the
ground, it seems most likely to me that the prop was roughly 180
degrees from its photographed position with the trajectory of the
round coming from just over the wing in the photo. This path
would leave any cowl damage on the sector of the cowl not visible
in the picture.

I would like to thank Jack-Of-All-Trades and Casper71 for their
inputs and agree with them that there was probably no explosion
of the round. The cookie cutter leading edge of the hole through
the back surface of the prop is good evidence for that conclusion
regardless of the fact that we cannot see the part of the cowl
that would likely have caught fragments of an exploding round.
An explosive round would also likely have removed the prop blades,
lots more stuff, and crashed the plane.

I also noticed while looking for cowl damage that the Rixter #5
post larger photo has features not present in the OP photo.
Notably the horizontal crease in the print, the gray crescent in
the sky, and the scribbles on the building in the background.
From the building scrbbles it seems that someone was giving
instructions to a photo editor to remove the building from the shot.
I am curious if there exists a version of the picture with the
building removed or did it just turn out to be too labor intensive
to do that much editing without modern software.

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12/03/2018 10:36 AM

either way,... must have been one heck of a rough ride home.

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12/04/2018 6:19 AM

"The shell did not detonate on impact because most anti-aircraft artillery at the time relied on time delay fuzes to detonate at specific altitudes, rather than contact fuzes used in most shells for ground support."

See here.

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12/03/2018 10:11 AM

Somebody just hates decals on a propeller.

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12/03/2018 10:42 AM

I just thought it would reduce the drag a little.

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12/03/2018 10:47 AM

Before every mission Jim had the priest bless his plane.

Until the last time when the priest said, 'Bless this Prop and make it Holy'.

Jim doesn't do that any more,... but he does go to church now every Sunday.

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12/03/2018 10:59 PM

Well, it is "holey".

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12/03/2018 3:12 PM

I guess that makes him an Ace in the Hole.

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More like a hole in the Ace!

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12/09/2018 7:10 PM

Flying too low over Forbes Field when the "Babe" was at bat.

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