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Long-lost Siberian crater found?

Posted February 20, 2008 11:04 AM by Steve Melito
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From Geotimes:

On June 30, 1908, a ball of fire streaked across the sky in Siberia, then exploded between five and 10 kilometers above Earth. The explosion was so bright that it lit up the night sky across Europe and Central Asia. The resulting shockwaves stripped all of the branches from the trees directly below and flattened trees in a 2,000-square-kilometer area around the epicenter. The explosion, now called the Tunguska Event after the region where it occurred, resulted from the collision of a cosmic object with Earth. When the object exploded, debris should have rained down and an impact crater should have formed. Yet no scientifically reliable evidence of this explosion has been found — until now.

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02/20/2008 3:03 PM

Cool! I found it hard to believe that any large extra-terrestrial object coming in from space which could cause such widespread damage would so completely distintigrate that it wouldn't leave any trace on earth. The picture shows such a nice crater looking lake I'm surprised the connection to the Tunguska Event wasn't made before now.

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02/20/2008 3:29 PM

Nice article. I remember learning about the Tunguska Event many years ago, on a TV show called "In Search Of". In the days before the Discovery Channel and such, that show was cutting edge!

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02/20/2008 11:47 PM

That crater looks to be older than one hundred years. Where is the ejecta? It's cold up there so things don't grow over in a hurry.

Here's one for you; Read some of Teslas' adventures at that time. He was working with the concept of transmitting power through wave technology. In an attempt to agitate the arctic ocean (in the vicinity of a famous, returning, arctic traveller so that there would be credible witnesses) he directed power through the earths crust from his lab on the Eastern seaboard but missed the sea floor and the energy exploded out of the ground in Siberia. If the energy was intended to violently boil sea water half a mile deep, it would have superheated the air explosively above grade.

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08/02/2008 4:42 AM

WHERE did you get this info about tesla from?

have you any web or other links to getting info about that 200 years ahead of his time thinking genius?

o boy what a post, WHERE and HOW do i get to it?

THANKS 'da ber

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08/02/2008 6:24 AM

I'd like to read that too! Tesla left Colorado Springs about 1906, where he conducted power transmission (conductance through the Earth) experiments since 1899. But after returning to New York, I was under the impression that most of his experiments were with power generation (bladeless turbines) and communications devices (wireless/radio).

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01/30/2012 10:33 AM

Check the biographies of the man as well as his published works and patents. There is a museum in Belgrade, or was, if I'm not mistaken. Some searches should turn up more info...there is plenty out there. Incidentally, Wardenclyffe on Long Island(?), his masterpiece, was lacking only $50-75K for completion in 1905 when it was torpedoed by JP Morgan, and according to Nikola was to eventually provide global wireless power transmission. Some of us have followed his work closely and realize he was not a madman, and still seek funding.....

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02/21/2008 1:44 AM

My first impression was "Kimberley Big Hole" ±1880 - ±1920

I could not get a good image. But it looks like a typical worked out diamond pipe.

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02/21/2008 4:43 AM

I have often wondered why there were no witness marks from this event, so I am quite heartened that there is at least a candidate, now!

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02/21/2008 8:21 AM

A meteor airburst would leave exactly the sort of destruction found (ie lots of flattened trees radiating out from a central pont with some left standing right above "ground zero") without leaving an impact crater.

This is mirrored by the blast signature at Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

I'm not saying this "new" crater is nothing to do with the Tunguska event but there is another explanation that fits the evidence pretty closely. Occam.

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02/21/2008 1:26 PM

Way cool - I'd read about the Tunguska explosion years ago, and later on saw the same "In Search Of" episode Moose mentioned. Always thought there should be a crater, but always knew finding it in Siberia would be a bear (polar bear, of course...) due to weather, topography, remoteness, etc., etc., etc. Still, there was always the off chance it was from an exploding...

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02/22/2008 6:17 PM

"an exploding..."

...hat?

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02/23/2008 10:59 AM

Probably a hat, or something similar, although the photo is supposedly of a UFO over mountains in New Mexico. But, hey, 'hat' works for me! Maybe it's a sombrero?

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02/23/2008 6:45 AM

I remember seeing a TV programme showing an expedition to the area some years ago.

I find it incredible that the lake was not discovered at that time.

Quote from full article: <"An object the size of the Tunguska object will fall to Earth....."> They don't "fall towards Earth", they arrive at some 60 miles per second, and if you're in the near vicinity, it's time to go.

I tried to locate Lake Cheko in Google Earth, but no luck, because I was not sure exactly where to look, and definition in the area is not great, either.

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02/23/2008 2:27 PM

I also remember a TV show about this where they convinced me that the object was a rocky asteroid that disintegrated before hitting the earth. They were sure they had found the epicenter, and there was no crater. This story is a surprise and an insult to the previous reports.

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02/24/2008 6:38 AM

I don't kow if I'd go so far as to say it was an insult, more a minor diagreement. I think there is at least a chance that a rocky body disintegrating (airburst) could throw off a substantial portion that could result in a crater.

Don't actually think this is the case mind, just open to the possibility and happy to see it investigated.

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02/25/2008 10:23 AM

Yeah, I don't see how it's and insult either, just another hypothesis in a scientific discussion. Discussion is good and honest open discussion is even better!

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08/02/2008 10:34 AM

re the idea of a in air burst. putting that out gives some tantalizing ideas in an of itself but follow the idea of the old smooth bore warship cannon masters who used red hot shot to destroy a opponents's rigging and spars.

the red hot shot was a form of near melting shrapnel when it was even a few feet from a canvas sail the canvas would more often than not spontaneously combust and because it was often so tightly wound have a ripple effect explosion spraying the flaming canvas and tar onto the opponents decks. it would be impossible not to have the spars and mast sink into the warsip's hold with the result of major powder magazines exposions ripping the ships hull apart. the result for survivours on both sides would never be a pretty sight.

if you get your hands on the book about bucccaneer battle tactics it just might tie into your idea of a in air burst. those old boy's probably had a better idea of how to use the principles of a ir burst than modern armourers do, after the crusaders were well aware of how a sheep bladder filled with fat and before being set aflame with oilve oil were knocked into a bow would really make a mess in a keeps parapets. following that idea the americans use same the principle when they set up daisy cutter patterns but they to my knowledge just have to the present not been able to set the same cutting swath up as this did.

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