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One Third of New PCs Downgraded To XP?

Posted August 19, 2008 8:46 AM

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More than one in every three new PCs is downgraded from Windows Vista to Windows XP, either at the factory or by the buyer, said performance and metrics researcher Devil Mountain Software, which operates a community-based testing network. "The 35% is only an estimate, but it shows a trend within our own user base," Craig Barth, the company's CTO, said. "People are taking advantage of Vista's downgrade rights." Last year, Devil Mountain benchmarked Vista and XP performance using other performance-testing tools and concluded that XP was much faster. Barth said things haven't changed since then. "Everything I've seen clearly shows me that Vista is an OS that should never have left the barn.

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08/19/2008 11:32 AM

Lets pray Microsnot are listening...
Nah, sorry that's just silly.....

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08/19/2008 12:08 PM

"...Vista is an OS that should never have left the barn."

Every barn needs to be mucked out now and then.

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08/19/2008 5:00 PM

I wonder what the numbers are for people who were so turned off by Windows over the years that they embraced Mac OS or other operating systems and hardware. I know I took the plunge to see if Mac hardware and software was worth the extra cost and to me it is. I'd have to say that my disappointment in Vista was a large part of the motivation, but plus Macs look better :)

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08/19/2008 6:31 PM

Reminds me of windows 98.

I do not know what the problem is, heck Microsoft can say that the performance issues is the new standard.

Who'll argue.........

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08/19/2008 6:32 PM

I paid the extra (about 15% of purchase price) to have a laptop with XP.

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08/20/2008 12:50 AM

I've two CAD workstations and and one dedicated e-mail server.

Until recently, One CAD station used Windows 2000 Pro, the Other CAD unit ran Windows XP Pro and this E-mail server ran Windows 2000 Pro.

The CAD software we use was invented before Windows XP and works far better with 2K so that didn't change. A SCSI based system, and very stable, I was not about to introduce a destabilizing influence on that environment, no matter what MS claimed.

When we were forced to switch ISP's (to Verizon) their system fought with our Norton utilities because it was Windows 2K compliant.

We called everywhere we could think of to get opinions and after about half a day of horror stories, bought a few more seats of Windows XP Pro, even though MS warned us it would no longer be supported soon.

Given the choice between having support for something unreliable and no support for something reliable and known, the choice was obvious.

Ben Franklin said it best: Don't be the first to try something new, nor the last to get rid of the old."

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08/20/2008 5:35 AM

Windows Vi$ta may well be the swansong of Microsoft.

This time they have gone too far.

Emboldened by the Marketing Division, and the M$ Codewrioters, recent WinXP Updates have crippled many thousands of PC's worldwide, including 2 of my own.

This has cost me absolute frustration, as properly working Software has been corrupted, and now I have to try and save data, and reFormat all those HDD's.

Of course there is never an apology.

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08/20/2008 7:38 AM

"Maybe this might explain Vista................"

Maybe yes, Maybe not.

Bill Gates retirement from active management at MS, may have more pushing than just philanthropy.

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08/20/2008 7:49 AM

Maybe somebody guessed what his pet name is.............

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08/20/2008 9:27 AM

Now that the computer industry has saturated that market financial growth has to be sought in new places. The growth principals that I think drove Vista:

- Offering more frequent upgrades to keep a continuous flow of new product.

- Reducing development costs.

- Pressure from the hardware industry to create more resource demanding software.

Unfortunately this is not in the consumers best interest. This is just a desperate measure to keep MSFT growing. If they want to keep growing they need to look further and expand into new markets.

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08/20/2008 9:32 AM

Maybe tee'd off employees earning chump change making it all happen are doing the bare minimum to spite the fat leadership.

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08/20/2008 11:18 AM

Maybe that's why he's presently with Warren Buffet looking at Tar Sands investments in Alberta............

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08/20/2008 10:41 AM

I will be purchasing a new computer in the next few months. It will be a Mac.

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08/20/2008 10:54 AM

I would concur (and maybe I haven't seen all that Mac has to offer) but I am really turned off by how Mac's seem to be packaged into singular units. Their laptop batteries cannot be replaced and there is no slot to add an extra. I not sure how far they can be upgraded and it appears everything for them is proprietary.

A co-worker on the design side of my business came by to get some help getting a stuck CD out. I grab a paper clip and head on over. Whelp, there is no little manual eject hole! You can't open the case without voiding the warranty either. We had to mail the unit out to get it "repaired." With a PC you'd have a 5 minute DIY fix.

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08/20/2008 10:49 AM

That's a very high number considering Microsoft will only let you downgrade on certain versions of Vista.

Vista Home Basic and Vista Home Premium does not grant you downgrade rights. Neither does any version of Vista bought at retail. The only versions which allow you to downgrade are OEM versions of Vista Business or Vista Ultimate.

Maybe if you bitched at MS long enough they would let Home users downgrade also but good luck with that.

EDIT: I think this article means 35% of the business users who are eligible. Makes a little more sense.

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08/20/2008 7:20 PM

Do you know what the worst part of being Bill Gates is?


I think it must be having a wife that calls you Mr. Microsoft....

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