I vote for overkill. "There is nothing that cannot be remedied by the suitable application of high explosives".

Invest in hearing aid manufacturers. Between the over-powered auto systems and the iPods and MP3 players that you can hear screaming in people's ears from 20 feet away we are headed toward a nation of deaf people.

I figured it out after I came home from my first rock concert and my ears were still ringing the next day. After that I always used hearing protection and my hearing is still nearly perfect.

It's just like anything else, once people abuse a right enough, in this case, loudly enough, then we have to make laws to restrict it and protect others. Too bad, I'm not for more laws but noise is invasive that's all there is to it. I have my right to quite just like I have a right not to have to breath some toxic emission from someone's cigarette.

Where I am along the shore of Lake Michigan, we have H-D motorcycles without mufflers (some A-Holes think this is a demonstration of there personal style) and we hear them for a mile down the highway. If at the end of the 1/4 mile long pier which is a 1/2 mile from the road, we hear the sound and then it echoes off the cloud bank.

The depression/recession cut down on the noise makers. There were up to 350 per day last summer. Sometimes on all streets surrounding at the same time.

Some of the vehicles must be using resonance or similar to incraes the sound frm there pipes. Some of the semi-tractors, pick-up trucks, cars and motorcycles have the noisey exhausts.

Probably haven't heard two cars with noisey radio's.

Any ideas to stop this ?

30-06 w/scope

One sure fire method, move somewhere quiet. May I suggest somewhere deep in the arctic...

Is this a personal issue ?

Require your constabulary to enforce the law.

In Australia, there is a campaign of sorts, where the women convey their sentiments to each other and to the drivers of loud tuner cars, non-verbally, by holding up their pinky fingers, so as to indicate the size of the substandard "equipment" the offenders are over-compensating for.

Apparently it is highly effective.

I considered a paint-ball gun to mark them for the cops, and have considered other options I can't discuss.

Very good topic.

The correct method to change this scenario is to apply real factual information and follow the rules of order when using the parliamentary procedure. Exercise your rights, petition the authority, cause creation of ordinances prohibiting audio below 45HZ and above 85 decibels etc. in motor vehicle audio systems.

Every method of prevention should be used and will be effective if the facts rather than hype are employed or any effort is futile.

Audio can have debilitating effects upon soft tissues, effects similar to some exotic diseases, those which cause cells to rupture from exposure to extreme low frequency sound (less than 18Hz.. The effects are similar to exposure to high Emfs or stress regardless if the subject is deaf, it's the danger of physical damage to organs and tissue that is an issue.

Expect to be rebuffed with reasoning such as the modification expense is prohibitive, baloney in line frequency limiters are available under $10 of audiophile quality.

Educate yourself first.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Low_Frequency_Effects

http://www.multi-science.co.uk/effects_low-frequency.htm

http://www.bmj.com/cgi/content/extract/308/6925/355

Thank you "bwire" for this report

It is very interesting and informative, a great assembly of a lot of information and an explanation that there are a lot of unknowns in the knowledge about sound and it's effects on humans and it doesn't start to address our environment other then knocking down buildings in the opening paragraphs of an 80+page report.

Can the harmonics of vehicle exhaust noise contribute to the cell damage mentioned ?

If you had a lip lock on the tail pipe

This will answer many questions and give authoritative evidence with vivid characterization. For the undaunted 'it won't happen to me crowd', if you reside in a physical body this applies to you.

http://www.emfdosimetry.org/handbook4/handbook4.pdf

Living in a residential neighborhood for a time. There is one thing that bothered me, and that is the guy (poser) that gets on his H-D bike at 5:00 am, and blows through the neighborhood.

Or pasts your house while on the phone. Very annoying.

Makes me really appreciate Honda Goldwings.

phoenix911

H-D doesn't sell the bike with that exhaust system...May I scream past with unplugged RC-4in2one you couldn't hear yourself singing in the shower

your the one......

H-D dealers do offer to open up the exhaust, so they should be monitored by the police as being accomplices to a crime of creating noisey motorcycles ?

And, contrary to some opinions, in traffic during a commute loud pipes do let the other drivers know you are there. You are safer.

That is a poor defense, because is not right and I'll tell you why, Actually the loud noise emittnants where he's been and not where he's(or she) is going.

Now if the noise has to pass through the operator of the bike, lets see how long that lasts.

Lets see, the speed of sound is 768 mph and the sound radiates in a sphere from the exit of the exhaust until it is reflected. The bike might be moving at 70mph but in traffic it could be much slower - down to 20mph or worse. The exhaust will be heard by vehicles in front. Maybe not as loudly and, possibly, with a doppler shift. But it will be heard. Ever hear a police siren coming up? Why do cops even have sirens?

The "you only hear the exhaust after he's been there" only applies to sonic booms.

the outlet exhaust is pointed to the rear.

Why do cops even have sirens?.

did you ever notice that you can heard the cops coming from a ways off but as soon as they have passed the sound dissipates rather quickly.

I still think the defense that you hear them is weak at best.

phoenix911

Straight pipe are so loud that the rider's hearing is going to be affected as well.

Thats thier choice, the problem is they give the bystander no choice.

WHEN WE WERE KIDS WE WOULD OCCASSIONALLY HEAR SOMETHING LOUD COMING OUR WAY AND WITHOUT A THOUGH TOWARDS FASHIONABILITY WE'D PLUG OUR EARS WITH THE INDEX FINGERS, oops! silly button

One newspaper article I read recently was written by the mother of an autistic child that went beserk for an hour after a noisey vehicle went past.

Pets hearing these noises also disturbs them which disturbs the pet owners.

My younger brothers dog went thru a steel door during a thunderstorm, then destroyed the carpet and sofa.

Noise matters !

You're prohibiting thunder now eh?

My 16 year old daughter told me just yesterday that she " can't wait to have my own car with a great sound system so that I can vibrate the doors off of the cars around me! ". I tried to tell her that this is illegal here in NJ and she replied " that's so stupid. People should be allowed to have music as loud as they want. "

It took me nearly an hour to explain to my indestructible daughter, all kids are indestructible, that with noise that loud you can't hear the train that is about to hit you. After some deep thought she replied " that could happen to someone old, but it could never happen to me. ". At that point I gave up.

But when I told her that I won't help her ($$$) if she gets a ticket she said maybe she didn't need the music to be so loud. Maybe I'm got somewhere.

Try talking to her about hearing damage. Better yet, take her to see a physician or people that have lost their hearing.

You might point out that even rock performers wear hearing protection on stage (at least those with working neurons).

Once the inner ear is damaged by excessive SPL it can not be repaired and it never comes back. Symptoms include permanent ringing of the ears (tinnitus).

Even better, make her wear a set of earphones for 24 hours that have a 1 KHz tone of low volume. The deal is she can't take the earphones off for any reason until the 24 hours elapses. Then let her imagine hearing that tone for the rest of her life and not be able to hear much of anything else, including the music that was so dear to her in her youth.

A lecture about hearing damage will go in one ear and out the other. Try telling someone how smoking will damage their health and how it affects others. Some people just don't give a damn about affects to themselves or others.

I can't sign in.

I have to constantly enforce the hearing protection policy in our engine dyno room. The students and techs will just walk in with the engine running at full speed. Then they get all offended when I toss them out for not having hearing protection on. Go figure.

My son can't understand the value of good grades either. You would think I was forcing him to eat spinich...

As far as noise ordinaces are concerned, most are unenforcable if they require a sound measurement. The only way to really fix this is to, for motorcycles, ban all aftermarket exhausts that are not DOT approved. For cars ban all subwoofer systems over a certain power output and have the power output stamped on the amp where the cop can see it. Then you get the "no gas chain saws before 9am on weekends" type of things. It's not easy to define a law that gives enforcement a chance to work.

I sent a recommendation to the WI Dept of Transportation to include on annual vehicle license renewal applications.

"This vehicle complies and will be maintained in accordance with the Laws of the State of Wisconsin." They could also add "and all local vehicle regulations." Followed by the owners signature. No signature, no license plate. This could also be applied to operators licenses, as the operator is responsible for vehicle condition.

The Wisconsin laws already state, every vehicle must have a muffler, they qualify and quantify what a muffler is, and for motorcycles the muffler must also have the EPA tags.

Some cities are adding vehicle sound level restrictions based upon vehicle weight and the use of unmuffled jake-brakes. In one town in Idaho there is an $1100 fine for the use of a jake-brake. Motels near the interstate are assaulted by a-hole truckers with unmuffled jake brakes.

In an earlier posting 20% of all trucks inspected at a WI truck scale failed, primarily for brakes. So if 20% of trucks fail an inspection, maybe a much higher percentage of cars and motorcycles and pick-ups would also fail an inspection, especially the "go to work" vehicles.

Checkout post #8

More rules not answer

Face it kids have been in safety zones through out their lives. Teenagers think systems are in place to protect their every move and so why worry; do it the way you want. Trouble with sound systems those capable to tweak them don't observe quantifiable limits.

Automobile audio systems needn't produce sound below 45Hz because ambient noise filters it. Try showing her irrefutable evidence of your concerns:

http://schizophonia.com/installation/trauma/trauma_thesis/index.htm

And reassure her that if precautions are ignored she will begin to have a permanent deficiency above 4500Hz, those special nuances will disappear forever.

The fact of the matter is when using accurate sound equipment the perceived sound is attainable without high volume levels. Amplifiers can be configured to clip at designated sound levels. May be better to help her purchase the 'right stuff'.

Face it kids have been in safety zones through out their lives.

That is so correct, I was raised on a farm and work around machinery, since I can't remember when, I saw animals injured and die, at the age of 12, while logging I saw a tree fall on my dad, and him saying good bye to the people around him.

And at the age of 12 have realized that life can be snapped away in an instanced.

My nephew, who spent his formality years protected by my sister hidden behind his mothers apron, playing video games, and betting on march madness on who'll be in the sweet sixteen....doesn't have a clue. and being 22 yo, even though he is a nice kid,......man. is a worthless piece of crap.......speaking if he's an employee, that is if he ever got a job, and held it long enough.

Maybe instead of making it a safer world, let there be RISK AND CONSENQUECES.

I don't know of any "laws" regarding noise. At best they are "ordnances" that are hard to enforce.

There used to be a guy where I lived who would go to work at 5AM. He rode one of those crotch rockets, 2 cycle screamers and where I lived, you could hear all the gear changes and screaming for at least a mile. Calling the police did no good as he was long gone before the police would arrive. The world is full of inconsiderate people. You won't change that.

The US EPA does have laws that govern motorcycle exhausts, there is a number system between the bike frame/model and a tag on the exhaust pipe that must correspond. The City of New York -

In a new bid to stem motorcycle noise, the City Council is set to pass a bill requiring all bikes to sport tags certifying approval by the Environmental Protection Agency.

No EPA tag, you get a ticket, without the officials having to prove the bike exceeded the 80-decibel limit set by the city's noise code.

"Today we go a long way toward taking the squeal out of the hogs," said Peter Vallone (D-Queens), chairing a final bill hearing Wednesday in the Public Safety Committee.

Under the bill, expected to pass the full Council Dec. 18, a first conviction carries a maximum $1,000 fine and temporary confiscation until the penalty is paid.

A second conviction hikes the maximum fine to $2,500 and imposes permanent forfeiture.

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http://www.seacoastonline.com/articles/20081017-NEWS-810170383Motorcycles rev up residents Petition seeks crackdown on noise level October 17, 2008 6:00 AM NORTH HAMPTON — Residents filled the Select Board's meeting Wednesday, Oct. 15, in support of a petition to curb motorcycle noise.

More than 100 residents signed a petition to address the "ever-escalating problem of uncontrolled and excessive noise from motorcycles," according to a letter from petition organizers Jane Rockwell and Barbara Dunfee, both of Atlantic Avenue.

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Spain: http://www.euroweeklynews.com/news/12361.html Altea campaigns against noisy and dangerous motorcycles • 06 Nov 2008 •

A CRACKDOWN campaign on noisy motorbikes has been launched in Altea. Local Police have been instructed to fine riders whose vehicles are found to emit noise and pollution above recommended safe levels.

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An attorney replying for the Wisconsin DOTsaid:

I was asked to reply to your question. Thank you for your concern about noisy vehicles. Indeed, they are annoying, and we appreciate your concern. Law enforcement officers may cite excessive noise, including both noise of the vehicle itself, such as an improper muffler or engine braking, and also loud radio or electric sound amplification. Current law prohibits operation of a vehicle under condition of excessive noise. Also, the law prohibits operation of a vehicle that does not comply with equipment requirements. Thus, law enforcement has specific laws to cite a person, and a conviction for violation of these laws goes on a person's driving record. Thank you again for your note, and for your concern about excessive noise. --------------------------------------- I also thought the following was quite interesting - State Patrol Does Surprise Inspections of Semis

Updated: May 6, 2009 10:25 PM CDT

The Wisconsin State Patrol stopped big rigs for surprise inspections.

At the weigh station in Wrightstown, semi-trucks were randomly picked for full inspections of brakes, lights, and tires.

It's part of Operation Airbrake, a national effort to keep highways safe.

"The industry tries very hard to recruit and retain good, qualified, professional drivers, and the next challenge is to maintain the fleet so that it doesn't jeopardize the safety of others," Sergeant Mark Abrahamson of the State Patrol said.

As of 4 P.M., the State Patrol reported inspecting 62 vehicles and taking eleven of them out of service for brake defects, almost 18 percent. Abrahamson said that's consistent with what they found during inspections in 2008.

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And then some about the military -

http://www.defensetechbriefs.com/content/view/1101/34/1/0/

The American Motorcycle Assn has a list of laws in each state -

http://www.amadirectlink.com/rights/index.asp

If there are no laws listed it probably means they haven't looked for any, the laws listed are submitted by others. So the info is questionable, but a start. i.e. Don't build your bike according to this, as it is not valid.

Where there may not be laws, they have ordinances, where I had lived, about a year ago they past an ordinance about loud motorcycles.

Some very good posts here, especially #9. Thanks BWire. Like another said here; complaints, admonishments, legal solutions will go in one ear and out the other. Especially of those otherwise brain dead who need noise to remind them that they are still alive.

Lets just start a rumor that the the noise disrupts thier glandular sexual capacity (would'nt it be wonderful), get Snopes to go along with it, and listen to the quiet. I like the paintball idea too. One day a month when it is legal to tag these troglodites, alerting cops to who needs a ticket that day. I have a favorite seat outside of a cafe' near an intersection, where an air cannon (base drum with a hole in one side) could be employed when these a$$holes are stopped at the traffic light. See how they like it!

You may have fun with a burst emitter too

Elaborate please ....

google it

There is a company in San Diego that builds a sound casting device that is being used for crowd control, military and against the pirates by ocean going-ships.

Going beyond the paintball idea,

if here in WI they have a hunting season for mounring doves, why not for noisey vehicles ? Hit the operator and you get a penalty for too much fun.

I have noisey vehicles from 4am to 3 am the next day. Sometimes it is quieter during the morning hours from 8am to 11am then it is at night. There are burn-outs on the streets and sidewalks.

I've also considered water balloons with honey or soda, and other attractants.

I've given video on DVD's to the police of the noisey vehicles, it is usually hard to get the license plate.

Call the district attorney, ask for reference to one of their P.I.'s you may find helpful entities are waiting for someone to step up. You could be a hero. Seriously this is and avenue to have these type scenarios curtailed. The P.I.'s the D.A's office contracts have the courts confidence. Sometimes this approach allows an off-duty cop to make observations and file a report.

When they install those music devices, there should be rules that the car must be sound proof, when every opening is closed. And there should(/is?) a law against driving those boom boxes with the windows open.

A few weeks driving in a closed enviroment with those sounds would make anybody deaf

The problem exactly,

once the person is deaf, they need to turn the volume up higher!

i.e. The problem feeds on itself.

In the State of Wisconsin Statues - the maximum distance a motorcycle radio can be heard is 75 ft from the motorcycle.

Yeah, but try to enforce that. Cop pulls guy over, guy turns down radio, cop gets out tape measure, walks off 75 feet, listens. Gets run over by semi in the other lanes. How does this work?

Who said life was fair, for anybody.

Will this law cover all noise. Loud music at your back yard outings, concerts in the park, parties at you local outdoor pool, the lawn mower and how about the kids ball games with all the yelling. I am sure there is some one that is annoyed by the noise of these activities also.

If not this a law that is being passed against our youth to make them criminals. We can not have our youth enjoying themselves also. Hypocrites

I can not see any good coming from this type of law. Unless the burden of proof is that the noise levels are such to cause property or personal damage to another. As to damage themselves it is like saying to make it against the law for some one with a parachute to jump out of a perfectly good plane.

Laws are typically made to address a current problem.

Take Pleasant, AZ which had noisey bikers riding thru town to get to a bar in the next town. They enacted a $750 fine for noisey vehicles. Problem solved.

The sound can increase by 30db between city buildings, New York City enacted a $1000 fine and siezure until the fine was paid for noisey motorcycles. Problem solved.

If 1,000 people are subjected to the noise of a vehicle and there are 350 noisey vehicles per day. Something will get done.

There are specific problems that are addressed by specific laws or ordinances, if the sky divers were falling on your roof every weekend you might ask for an ordinance to prevent that ?

Are you saying that this group of bikers no longer go to the bar? Give me a break. Or that they have found a different route? Which is just moving the noise problem else where to annoy some one else.

These new laws are narrowly written as you said to address a immediate complaint by the citizens of small group. Where what we need is a broader law that limits the noise level of any type coming from motor vehicles. Which would resolve all the complaints.

The "Broader Law" exists, the EPA tag on the muffler and the bike frame identifies that the muffler complies with EPA established sound and emission levels. This is a national standard. It just needs to be enforced.

Environmental Protection Agency

The Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) is an agency of the federal government of the United States charged with protecting human health and with safeguarding the natural environment.

The EPA does not maintain archived documents from ONAC or other published materials on noise pollution. The EPA have not conducted any studies on the causes and effects of noise pollution, including numbers of Americans affected by noise pollution.

• Environmental Protection Agency

The Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) sets noise emissions standards for motorcycles. The standard for street-legal exhaust noise emissions is 80 dB(a). All motorcycles are required to display an EPA label on the chassis and exhaust pipe. The label match-up program was designed as regulatory measure for states and municipalities to control motorcycle noise.

The Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) sets noise emissions standards for motorcycles at 80 dB(a). All motorcycles are required to display an EPA label on the chassis and exhaust pipe. The label match-up program was designed as regulatory measure for states and municipalities to control motorcycle noise.

http://www.epa.gov/otaq/regs/roadbike/5-hmc-appformat-doc.pdf

http://www.epa.gov/otaq/crttst.htm Annual Certification Test Results & Data Form

http://www.dailynews.com/opinions/ci_12346772 Clean bike bill Clamp down on smoggy cycles Updated: 05/11/2009 08:01:07 PM PDT

CALIFORNIA has more than 830,000 registered motorcycles, and up to 85 percent of them have modified exhausts that are loud and polluting, the California Air Resources Board reports.

Many of those modifications are illegal, too. Which is why two bills making their way through the state Legislature would mandate smog tests, either every year or every other year, for cycles built after 2000.

Motorcycle riders who remove catalytic converters from their bikes contribute more than 5.2 tons of smog a day into California air. Manufacturers claim that's a minuscule portion of the 5,691 tons of pollutants from all sources in California. Yet motorcycles, which account for less than 1 percent of registered vehicle-miles traveled, contribute 10 percent of passenger-vehicle-produced smog, according to a recent news report.

When the catalytic converter is removed from a motorcycle, it produces twice the amount of smog. And a dramatic increase in noise.

That shrieking noise, often the result of altering a motorcycle's exhaust system, is reason enough to clamp down on illegal cycles. But mandating smog tests still won't solve the problem. Some aftermarket exhaust systems that owners routinely install cost up to $4,000, and you can be sure they would be reinstalled after a smog test.

Motorcycle groups support riders' rights to customize their bikes, and we do too - to an extent. But when this customization hurts others in the form of pollution - both air and noise - their protests ring hollow. Californians love their vehicles, and customize them in many creative ways. Which is fine, as long as what they do to their cars, bikes and trucks is legal. Targeting motorcycles that pollute is one way to reduce smog (5.2 tons a day less is nothing to sneeze at). It's also a way to reduce the shrieking noise from illegal exhaust systems on bikes that come up behind you between lanes at high speeds.

Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger, arguably the state's most famous motorcycle rider, hasn't taken a stand on the two bills - SB 435 and AB 859. But if they are passed, he should get out his pen and sign on the dotted line

Yada yada yada, you are right and you are half way there but you're going the wrong way.

California can not afford to fund these pointless make work ideas. As has been proved in earlier attempts to fight smog. It's a scam to pad some one's pocket manufacturing and selling parts.

California needs revenue, tickets produce real money but I want the cops to be using the time available for crime intervention not knee jerk I'm too cool to plug my ears wannabe curbside attorney spiel.

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Motorcycle riders who remove catalytic converters from their bikes contribute more than 5.2 tons of smog a day into California air. Manufacturers claim that's a minuscule portion of the 5,691 tons of pollutants from all sources in California. Yet motorcycles, which account for less than 1 percent of registered vehicle-miles traveled, contribute 10 percent of passenger-vehicle-produced smog, according to a recent news report.

Where did these figures come from. The California Air Resources Board puts out this crap, take moment and assess the reality of the statement, knowing this California Air Resources Board has no means of determining as fact these are assumptions only to grab headlines in and attempt to justify the California Air Resources Board's existence.

The figure 830,000 registered bikes is probably accurate but what percentage of registered bikes are actually used daily? 35% probably the rest as recreational use. How can any meaningful assessment be made of the smog produced by the registered bike in California??

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That shrieking noise, often the result of altering a motorcycle's exhaust system, is reason enough to clamp down on illegal cycles. But mandating smog tests still won't solve the problem. Some aftermarket exhaust systems that owners routinely install cost up to $4,000, and you can be sure they would be reinstalled after a smog test.

Some aftermarket exhaust systems that owners routinely install cost up to $4,000, and you can be sure they would be reinstalled after a smog test.

WOW! Give it a rest Okay if were a V-8 trike maybe but would have to include a turbo charger. If having turbo it would exceed (less than) california air quality standards require, but the regulation requires having specified equipment regardless. WOW how pointless!!

Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger, arguably the state's most famous motorcycle rider, hasn't taken a stand on the two bills - SB 435 and AB 859.

You go Aunald! what's deemed popular by a disinformed public is counter productive.

http://www.cnbc.com/id/30704576

So what you say is there is a law on the books that could have been used by this Az town but wasn't. So they made a new local law. Did any one run for a political office and use getting rid of the noise these biker make as a platform? Well if law enforcement is not going to enforce the old law. What makes you think they will the new. There are many laws that are not enforced that would if enforced would remove most of these complaints of noise by the public. Problem there is 10 years down the road the new mayor,s son has a motorcycle that has loud pipes. Law enforcement is asked to look the other way and the bikes are back on the streets. Or maybe even the mayor is one of the bikers.

Laws should not discriminate they should be written for the greater good of the public. The law should be approached and written as to all noise emanating from a vehicle.

post #8

Require your constabulary to enforce the law.

Here in The People's Republic, they don't enforce the laws already on the books. I don't know, if you have a hole in the muffler on your Nova, you get a ticket. But the cops don't ever bother loud bikes and 10K watt car sound systems. I suppose it's not PC to ticket these already "marginalized" people.

Personally, the noise doesn't bother me in the least.

I live across the street from a park with playground, baseball diamond, tennis courts and huge towering lights to turn night into day until 10PM.

The kids love it, laughing and screeching and it doesn't bother me and I don't have hearing aids I could remove either

Some folks have move in during winter then in summer they rant, whaaaaaa... we pay no attention and they leave; win-win!

Once in a while someone races up an down the street or has the boom-boom. I go and ask them to stop, we have no language barriers they don't ask question just get it and discontinue the annoyance.

Strange as it may seem talking to and asking are different. Everybody is ready fight before asking or discussing a topic it's a shameful demonstration of attitude for any age. The cost of an irrigation system in Afganistan is way less than war but we fight rather than think.

The "Broader Law" exists, the EPA tag on the muffler and the bike frame identifies that the muffler complies with EPA established sound and emission levels. This is a national standard. It just needs to be enforced.

You said it right there...We DO NOT NEED MORE LAWS AND REGULATIONS, just enforce 1/4 of them thats on the books now, and get rid of the rest.

phoenix911

Well, this is a start. And it will get worse with other type of laws. The EPA is trying to pass air quality laws, that would initially effect farmers combining thier grains.

If you saw the dust trail left by the farmers combines, the action commitees are going to have a field day. Of course they will have it on a full stomach.

Where is the common sense of the people, that the government has to step in and tell people whats good for them.

reminder of George Orwell '1984'

The good neighbor laws already cover all of the activities listed. It is probably in the deed for your land "peaceful enjoyment" and in renters agreements, etc.

Your rights to make noise end at your property line.

Certain noises are tolerated by neighbors at certain times, i.e. don't expect to mow your lawn at midnite without question.

Continuous road noise extending beyond the 75 feet (such as interstate highways) will probably get a sound barrier.

Someone driving a vehicle modified to produce excess noise will eventually get a ticket to make them think it's not worth it.

Go after them to "green up".

Stereos and exhausts are the major reason I don't sleep with my windows open - that means I run the A/C....

We sure do have a lot restrictions in our free country. When freedom permits we can if we have the the permit.

Reminds of of lyrics "signs, signs everywhere a sign" look what you've become

What gall you have gathering in a metropolitan area then demanding quiet.

All you quiet seekers please do so, band together and move to Quiet Ville.

Freedom (as was once said) stops short of the other guy's nose.

When more people try living together, the harder they have to work to avoid irritating each other.

And as to your advice - I did

But not everyone is willing to make the compromises I was AND what do I do when I pay that price - and they follow me? Can I shoot 'em now?

http://www.suntimes.com/news/nation/1566232,CST-NWS-biker10.article Myrtle Beach residents tell bikers: Hit the road

May 9, 2009

MYRTLE BEACH, S.C. -- Officials here are effectively trying to shut down a 68-year-old Harley-Davidson rally that draws nearly half a million riders annually.

Inside the city limits, a local helmet law and a ban on noisy tailpipes is likely to keep most riders at bay this weekend.

For many Myrtle Beach residents, including most elected officials, the moves are a form of self-defense against nonstop civil disrespect. Last year, citizens groups began a "Take Back May" campaign. Families and children went to city council meetings holding signs reading, "We want our beach back!"

Students in schools couldn't hear their lessons over roaring bikes outside.

"We don't want to be the center of the motorcycle universe in May," city spokesman Mark Kruea said.

If persons outside the vehicle can heaar and feel the sound system of a vehicle then the person in the vehicle is no doubt suffering hearing damage because it is tooooo loud inside the vehicle. Headsets can also cause a person to suffer hearing damage if they are turned up too loud so I do not understand your comment it does not make any sense to me. A person has to learn to amplify their sound system to reasonable levels so they do not suffer hearing damage.

the volume knob should extend a pins as you turn it higher, the pain in your finger should be an indication of the damage you do to your ears.

Just out of curiosity have any of you considered what you did at that age?

I cant condemn the car sound systems or exaust systems because well, I had them and I still do.

Part of your freedom in this country is to complain about the others that you share it with and vice versa. How do you think these people are going to feel about you bitching every time they do something they like to do? If you don't like other people why the hell do you live so close to each other? Its self inflicted misery as far as I am concerned.

My home town had an old fart that was a former cop and he took it upon himself to enforce his own made up laws based on what he and the rest of the old duffers thought the town should run like. Guess who ended up in court for multiple nascence and harassment charges? He and a couple of his self rightious buddies and the town mayor. And they lost!

So be careful who you single out for sound violations. Eventually one of them is going to have a family member that is a lawyer that does not agree with what you like and they will make you wish all you had to worry about is some kids with motorcycle's on your street!

Be careful who's Cheerios you piss in! It will come back around with interest!

I learned my life leasons the hard way you may just get the chance too!

Freedom has its price. I have to tolarate others in order to keep it.

How about you?

Just out of curiosity have any of you considered what you did at that age?

At that age......I use to ask (sarcastical) the people of the same age where is the distortion knob on the radio......I need more distortion.

Yes we have laws assembled by the people for the people and they designate the tolerance level.

Does money buy justice ?

Not when veterans have to defend it, Not when the Police are paid to enforce the written laws, which too frequently they are not doing.

Your self-righteous logic pits Money against the Written Laws of the People and the Country and those sworn to defend the laws as written. Are the Laws for convenience ?

Nice answer Guest. Years ago I heard "if it's too loud you're too old." Everyone needs to enjoy some music now and then whether they like it or not. I might go home and turn up some music to well beyond the threshold of pain, maybe some Guns n Roses, so my retiree neighbors can enjoy it.

HUH? WHAT DID YOU SAY? I CAN'T HEAR YOU!