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05/05/2015 3:06 AM

I had my windscreen replaced recently and the rear view mirror was removed from the old rear view mirror.My problem the guy who replaced the windscreen did not stick this mirror onto the new wind screen.What material can i use to stick the rear mirror, i tried silicone sealant and it fail;ed to hold.

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05/05/2015 3:19 AM

Maybe they should quit using glues for this, or at least add way more area. Just go to suction cups. Those will fail from time to time, but can be reapplied regularly.

(Shouting also corrected.)

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05/05/2015 4:11 AM

3M makes an excellent epoxy rear view mirror cement.

Follow the directions completely and you'll never have to worry about it again.

http://3mauto.com/products/3m-rearview-mirror-adhesive-08752.html

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05/05/2015 5:34 AM

I've used No More Nails sticky pads (a Unibond product) very successfully for this application. Whatever you use, thorough de-greasing before use is very important.

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05/06/2015 2:38 AM

You are SOOOO right!....and for de-greasing, I personally always use "Denatured Alcohol" and fresh paper towels, or bits of!

In the UK we call it Methylated Spirits.....

Glass is a relatively "rough" surface under magnification, these areas need good cleaning to get rid of all dirt and grease and to let the glue "key" itself well.........

For some special glues, there are better recommended "cleaners" than alcohol that change/prepare the surfaces to be glued in some way, but if none is specified.......

Touch nothing with your fingers from then on that is to do with the surfaces to be glued.....fingerprints are not a good idea....fat!!

Clean (hygienic!!) conditions promote good bonding of any glue that I have ever used. I am also sure that some may feel that this is "over-kill" and not needed, but thats ONLY their opinion, not mine!! Don't knock it till you have tried it over many years.

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05/06/2015 11:46 AM

Hear, hear Andy !! Preparation and cleaning is 95-98% of any job that involves bonding to include paints, epoxies, glues of any kind, pressure sensitive acrylic adhesive films and so on.

Did I mention that you should clean it really well first? And then keep it clean by not touching it with our disgusting fingers?

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05/06/2015 11:50 AM

As you yourself well know, the difference in holding power between a clean and a dirty "gluing" is huge......

You cannot mention it often enough!! Many forget or simply don't know....

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05/06/2015 3:12 PM

RE: Your ending German quote translated (Courtesy of Google translate)

Wer nicht weiss, glaubt viel! = (For those) Who do not know, believe much!

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05/07/2015 5:59 AM

Well done, also its not a bad translation for the web, but a slightly better one (my opinion only!) is the following:-

"Those who do not understand, believe a lot!!"

It was a title to an article in "Der Spiegel" (my favourite German magazine) from early January this year, about people who think the worst of their government, but believe in owning guns and "protecting" themselves.....amongst other things....those who still believe that the government blew up the world trade center is a prime example......

Anyone who understands explosives and building construction knows that was not the case.....but ignorant people have no understanding of such things......they believe everything that even Hollywood throws at them!!!

This is also true to my mind for example, not just here in Germany, that in the USA, it seems millions of citizens believe that their government conspires, listens to their phone calls and do other "nasty" things to them.

Where what is probably true is that (like probably many governments do around the world) they really do listen to phone calls, watch websites, using a (many) computer(s), that is (are) programmed to pick up on certain words, certain locations, certain languages and and and.......

Then if an alert is given because of those words, that person is put under surveillance for a time.....hopefully, one guilty of being anti American/society (as in the case of 9/11 for example!)....

But if the government "allowed" such a terrorist attack, the dummies would be REALLY up in arms!!!

I personally have no problems with being watched, just to prevent such attacks, as I know we all must die eventually, but dying as a result of terrorist, gang or criminal activity is not what I would choose.....nor would I want any of my family injured or killed either....

The people that shout the loudest about such surveillance being bad, are definitely the ones I personally would put under a 24/7 watch FOREVER!.....that is something that the really "LOUD" dummies appear not to have understood or even considered as a possibility!

I am sure that the NSA, amongst others, watches EVERY website around the world for such people shouting their mouths off about it being against the constitution and the like, but so is murder.

Sadly, the ones with just big mouths and a bad attitude probably make such a big smoke screen that could even possibly hide really quiet and intelligent terrorists.....and are therefore their own worst enemy in the end.

They are seemingly (my very limited experience only!) people that have not lost anyone close to them because of such criminal activity.....

I lost friends and good colleagues in 9/11, so anything that will stop the next possible version of that (in ANY country, not just the USA), is in my personal mind allowed, I have nothing to hide or to rant and rave about as many here on CR4 seem to do!!

A Friend of mine (my ex-Boss from many years ago), was what I would call "a gun Nut". He had weapons all over the house locked up, all registered and legal. He lives in Colorado, his wife came home from work one day, probably 10 odd years ago now, and found their 17 year old son dead, brains all over the living room.

He had picked the gun cabinet lock, it is thought after seeing how it was done on the web (YouTube maybe?) after a bad day at school and simply shot himself.

Guess which family have no more guns anymore? No prizes for getting it right!!

Which is one of the reasons why I have that saying as my signature, though many do not bother to translate it as you did!!

Well done for even bothering!!!

Rant over!! Have a great day!

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05/07/2015 10:56 AM

Many teenagers and other children may have depressed feelings, not all carry it that far. When I was growing up on the farm, weapons were tools, and one was taught the safe way, knew what damage these tools can do if handled improperly, or dealt with in a reckless and wanton manner. We were taught gun safety over and over, and reminded at the beginning of each hunt. Now that I live in city, I feel the need for home defense weapons more than ever, since not many blocks away is a high crime area. My wife and I do not plan on being read about in the newspaper as victims.

We live by the philosophy that it is better to have 12 to judge us than six to carry us. We also will never let go of our faith in God. By the way, you can have my weapons when you pry my cold, dead hands off them, but you better be "horse-back" and well-heeled when you come to try.

Liberty or death! The UN better leave us Americans, especially Texans alone. We bite! As to the EU, I am ready to sing its death song any time now. America will live on. I am not one of the "government-conspiracy wing-nuts" you describe. We make every effort to stay inform (not just news from the right, but also from the left (to find out what our political enemies are up to - and they are enemies). IMHO they are enemies of the state, hell bent on nothing less than the destruction of civilization that has existed these past few hundred years. Hillary Clinton is just one example of a self-deluded socialist whose acts would get most people convicted of numerous felonies. She wants to remove contitutional freedoms? I don't think so, and neither do the vast majority of patriotic Americans who have sacrificed, bled, worked hard, or otherwise contributed to that others might also live and have prosperity and libery.

Last time I checked it was not America that has started all these wars, and rumors of wars. One can trace most of it back to socialism - of the national socialism variety, or the communist variety, or to a poison religion called Mohammedism that is nothing but pure hate. Anyone who disagrees, you are welcome to your opinion, just don't attempt to push that crap down my throat.

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05/07/2015 11:20 AM

Its really sad, that in a large modern country, that so many are armed and so many die every year because of that...

Which is why I applaud the UK, the Police are still unarmed, only when something happens are trained marksmen used, and all hand guns are completely forbidden for the general public.....

Which also explains why so few people get killed with guns of any sort in comparison to many other countries.....

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05/07/2015 11:35 AM

Your opinion, but over here, it is not the law-abiding gun owners doing all the killing, it is the criminal element, the drug cartels, the gangs. Crime is proved to be higher where there is a liberal in charge hell-bent on removing gun rights from the populace. The problem, once again, is not the guns. They are simple tools. People are the problem, people without regard or respect for other people.

You are welcome to keep you ill-advised, government-controlled thought process over there in Europe where it belongs, that is why us Americans left you in the first place. In the second place, when you totally screw things up again, don't come begging to us, because we are done saving your butts over there.

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05/07/2015 12:51 PM

You are arguing against proven facts....pretty pointless, especially with guns in your own house.....you are severely biased.

It is a fact, that if nobody has guns and the Police do not have them as a given, that far fewer people die from being shot....more die of old age and illness maybe....

Your attitude (you are FAR from alone here, I know! Had this discussion more than once) is why the USA is in "murder by Guns per capita", as one of the worst in the world. They are in the list with primitive 3rd world countries, fact. Period.

There is no valid reason for private people to have hand guns....Period. Unless you want to kill somebody. Shotguns and rifles can do all the sporty stuff and are FAR more difficult to hide!!

Less than half the US citizens are armed according to some statistics that I somewhere read, in that 45% do not believe in them, but probably get shot by the other 55%!!!! Now that is REALLY showing character and conviction....when more are armed!! (assuming the statistics are correct of course!)

I must look up some statistics on "good" shootings against "bad" shootings, and see which is more predominant.....which one would you guess is most predominant?

They still get people in the UK with illegal guns, but I do believe that it is a mandatory sentence of 10 years for having one in your possession. Perhaps someone from the UK can confirm that or not.....not living there I forget.

I live in a similar Police State to the USA, but with far less gun killings as gun ownership, though not perfect, it is still controlled better....

Using Wiki on this weblink:-

Gun_violence

The United States has the highest rate of gun related deaths per capita among developed countries, though it also has the highest rate of gun ownership and the highest rate of officers.

Number_of_guns_per_capita_by_country

Where you will find this statistic:-

This shows that the USA has both more guns per capita and more gun death per capita, proven fact!!

Most thinking people will accept that one proves the other.....though NOT the ones owning the guns for some really strange reason, that is the people who shoot other people for good or bad reasons!!!

And these same gun owning people (who NEVER EVER SHOOT THEIR GUNS!!) find it great!!! Like having a Dog and barking yourself maybe?

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05/07/2015 1:37 PM

Just out of curiosity, can you do the same graph again but instead of guns, rank the countries by "Knife deaths per capita" or "Beating deaths per capita"?

I'm willing to bet the US comes out at the top or near the top no matter which mode of death you choose. My hypothesis is that it is not the guns, it is the culture.

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05/07/2015 1:52 PM

Here's an interesting wiki page which list homicides per capita regardless of how the death was carried out. Interestingly the USA is 111th if you sort the list by rate descending (per 100,000). The UK is a lowly 190th.

PS. For a moment I thought I'd posted this in the wrong discussion but then realised that we had somehow gone from re-gluing a rear view mirror to murdering people, CR4 is very strange.

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05/07/2015 4:06 PM

You wrote:-

PS. For a moment I thought I'd posted this in the wrong discussion but then realised that we had somehow gone from re-gluing a rear view mirror to murdering people, CR4 is very strange.

Why, thats half the fun of CR4.....

Your statistics are also spot on if I may say so.....

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05/07/2015 3:38 PM

I did some simple research and found this discussion:-

http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/261-politics/64173706

Where this caught my eye:-

However, before we start crowing about this, it bears mentioning that the same is true if you switch the countries. Reported gun offenses for the UK during the last period were 11,227, while knife offenses in the US were 192,230. That corresponds to per capita numbers of .00018 to .00062, respectively. So it appears knife-wielders from one country outpace gun wielders in the other in both cases.

And if we want to take it a step further, murders per capita in the US (12996 total) outpace murders in the UK (638 total), .000042 to .000010, and gun-related murders even more so (8775 vs. 58, .000028 vs. .00000093).

Happy now?

Don't forget that a knife attack, is less often a death anyway....

I then found this website, which proves that due to the way each country defines "violent crimes", where the UK may define a crime as such, EVEN THOUGH NO ONE WAS INJURED. The USA defines them as violent crimes ONLY IF SOMEONE WAS INJURED!!!

A significant difference....

See here:-

Dispelling the myth uk vs us guns

You will need to read a lot and understand the maths involved (all shown), but at the end of the day, the UK is a FAR less dangerous place to live than the USA.

No surprise there.....except maybe some to US journalists who tried to make it out to be otherwise.....a slow news day maybe....?

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05/07/2015 3:48 PM

Maybe you should break it down by race also and show really who is killing whom.

The whole thing about how violent crime is reported is one thing, how it is charged is quite another.

At least the press here in the U.S. is not stated controlled, yet.

I would much rather take my chances living here with Liberty, than under any monarch, any dictator, chancellor, despot, etc., although Barry Obama is certainly pushing the limits and probably more like a despot than many world-wide leaders.

Basically, your whole way of thinking is obsolete, and will be added to the ash-heap of history. Truth wins in the long run.

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05/07/2015 4:22 PM

Goebbels or even Hitler could not have written it better. (You do know what finally happened to them I trust?) They were, as you appear to be, very racist.

The African American (amongst others) was very badly treated in the USA for hundreds of years, they probably feel its now "payback" time, or at least some of them think that.......

I do not believe any of it will ever be true as you wrote.....but of course, you are allowed to believe what you want to.....

If you are unaware of what Goebbels stood and died for, there is a respectable version you can read online here for dear Dr Joseph:-

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05/08/2015 11:16 AM

So now you have progressed from calling me some sort of gun-toting sociophobe, to a racist, to a Nazi on a par with Hitler and Goebbels? Wow, you really aren't too hard to piss off at all, are you.

I am just reporting facts. Most of the violent death in the U.S. is black-on-black murder, probably followed by black-on-white, then by hispanic-hispanic. This is not to say we do not have plenty of blue-eyed sociopaths here that do not care about any person's life or how it can be taken from them.

Hey dumbass - it was the British who started the slave trade to the Americas, except it was the Spaniards who didn't care who they enslaved, but mostly the native peoples here who they would send the little boys into the silver and gold mines in what is now New Mexico. Don't play so righteous, you have that same heritage.

Before the British, it was the Muslims who enslaved all, and traded them up and down the salt roads in Africa, and along her coasts.

I hate slavery of all types, especially that used by the evil Nazi during WWII where they enslaved those they did not outright murder. To attempt to put me in that category is akin to saying Mohandes Ghandi was a terrorist.

I have been a peace-loving, God-fearing, people (of all kinds) loving man all my life. You know nothing, but assume much.

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I knew that you were not well schooled or knowledgeable and a few tiny but accurate "facts" would get you going.....How really sad.....

So I will now take each point you made and show you what is wrong with your attitude and knowledge, for all here to see! Your comments in fat italics of course, (it somehow fits!!).

So now you have progressed from calling me some sort of gun-toting sociophobe, to a racist, to a Nazi on a par with Hitler and Goebbels? Wow, you really aren't too hard to piss off at all, are you.

I showed you exactly what sadly a few people in the USA are still doing today to some people of colour, exactly the same as Hitler and his minions did many years ago to people of colour, people of different religions, people with mental problems, people with birth defects and and and....

By the way, I am not pissed, I am just showing what a poor argument you have in all things. Notice, no weblink from you supporting your ideas and theories....

I am just reporting facts. Most of the violent death in the U.S. is black-on-black murder, probably followed by black-on-white, then by hispanic-hispanic. This is not to say we do not have plenty of blue-eyed sociopaths here that do not care about any person's life or how it can be taken from them.

Now I would like you to post some good weblinks supporting your claims to the "facts" in this paragraph, I have seen none up to now from you, therefore your "facts" are not facts, they are your "fiction", only in your brain...I am sure that you think otherwise....that is your problem.

The only "facts" I glean is that you are seriously racially biased. Does anyone else notice this? Notice, no weblink from you supporting your ideas and theories....

Even if you are possibly right, have you not thought that maybe they are just getting quit, "evening up the score" after so many years of misuse by people like yourself for example? Did that never cross your mind? It certainly crossed mine!! It may even have some basis in fact.....like the Jews rushing out of Egyptsuddenly after many, many years there, remembering the Bible.....

I found a website where this was posted:-

Homicide

According to the US Department of Justice, blacks accounted for 52.5% of homicide offenders from 1980 to 2008, with whites 45.3% and "Other" 2.2%. The offending rate for blacks was almost 8 times higher than whites, and the victim rate 6 times higher. However, these statistics are misleading because they are not adjusted for confounders such as social class.

Most murders were intraracial, with 84% of white homicide victims murdered by whites, and 93% of black victims murdered by blacks.

This does not agree with your throw away comments you call facts!!! What a surprise!! If you want the weblink, its here (I supply them, do please notice!! You never can!!):-

Race_and_crime_in_the_United_States

Hey dumbass - it was the British who started the slave trade to the Americas, except it was the Spaniards who didn't care who they enslaved, but mostly the native peoples here who they would send the little boys into the silver and gold mines in what is now New Mexico. Don't play so righteous, you have that same heritage.

Now you are getting childish dumbass (I assume that you allow me to use the same childish names you call me, to call you, dumbass!). The trade ONLY took off because American plantation owners paid a lot of money for a good slave, so it was a 2 way street.....you are so DUMB-ass, you forgot that to trade you need a buyer!!! Slavery was made illegal in most parts of the British empire in 1833. The rest in 1843.

The USA did not abolish slavery till 1865, not till after the North "whupped" the South!! Otherwise it would still be allowed in the southern states even today if some of them had their way!!! Notice, no weblink from you supporting your ideas and theories....

Do try and stay cool and stop resorting to childish bad manners....it does not help your case, in fact the opposite....

Before the British, it was the Muslims who enslaved all, and traded them up and down the salt roads in Africa, and along her coasts.

And what has that got to do with having too many guns in the hands of too many children childish people in the USA? Please post weblinks showing the relationship to the argument in hand. I see none....again!! A throw away sentence? Obfuscating again?

I hate slavery of all types, especially that used by the evil Nazi during WWII where they enslaved those they did not outright murder. To attempt to put me in that category is akin to saying Mohandes Ghandi was a terrorist.

But you are a racist, as shown already several times BY YOUR OWN TEXT......Strange. Even Hitler would have welcomed people like you into his SS. Surprise, surprise, he did!!........

So you still harp back to Hitler again and again, in spite of the gun problem being a problem still in 2015 and Hitler blew his own head off over 70 years ago. I think that you have very little argument other than the Nazis.....I have a lot FAR more, also fully up to date!! Wait up!!

By the way, the full name, written correctly (for English) is Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi, just in case you did not know. It is very rude and VERY poor manners to cut parts of a name out!!!

Please do not do this again. Now you just learned something new today!!

So you would let him, someone like him, or someone else of different colour/race/ religion for example, to marry your sister? Now if true that would REALLY surprise me.....To my mind, maybe I am wrong, you would most likely be one of those people who would like to possibly kill someone of such ilk for even THINKING sexually about any woman in your family.....

its good to know that you are not so!!! Compliment to you!!

I have been a peace-loving, God-fearing, people (of all kinds) loving man all my life. You know nothing, but assume much.

Possibly due to the rude and rough manner, many might not believe this, for example, would you like me to quote some of the racist comments you already have made and are on record, even just the ones in this blog, I can if you wish!! Anyone here could.

We know a lot about you already. So just say the word and I will quote you post to post, line from line....its already fixed here in stone on CR4.....

By the way you SHOULD be God fearing after what you have already said here, it would be wise to err on the safe side, as it may be important after you die....who really knows for 100% certain?

I believe in a good God too.......rightly or wrongly.....I don't know yet!!!Maybe we share that at least!!

By the way, I am far from finished with you, remember, the more crap you write, the more I will answer and show you for what you are. You choose just how you would like to continue....I am good with any way you feel is right!!

Here for you, a Nazi joke....

Do you know what Hitlers favourite candy was?

Nazipan!!

(Its a very old childrens joke here, but simply ignore it if you don't understand it!!)

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"...but at the end of the day, the UK is a FAR less dangerous place to live than the USA."

I think I agree with that statement. But I think if you gave every man, woman and child in the UK a gun, I believe the UK would still be a far less dangerous place to live than the USA. It's not the guns, it's the people, the culture.

As you mention, it's hard to define "violent crimes", and as Nigh's wiki article link in #36 points out "The reliability of underlying national murder rate data may vary. The legal definition of "intentional homicide" differs among countries." Almost all of the time, when comparing gun violence country to country, rarely are you comparing apples to apples.

Years ago, probably about 30 years ago, I read a very long paper by a researcher who had done an exhaustive comparison of gun statistics and violence. A great deal of the paper was about the problems of how statistics were kept in different countries, what counted as a murder, what counted as a suicide, what was and was not counted (honor killings are not counted, for example, in some places), and so forth. He also compared different gun control methods, different cultures, and other factors.

To make a long story short, the only gun control law he could statistically justify was to forbid anyone with any measurable amount of blood alcohol from holding a gun. Across all cultures with the data he could gather, that was the only common factor he could correlate.

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05/07/2015 4:44 PM

I like your post.

If you are interested, I posted an interesting weblink on just that subject in the last few hours. How for instance in the UK, a violent crime would still be counted, even if no one was actually injured, just the "attempt".

Whereas in the USA, it would only be counted only IF someone was injured or raped......or both!!

If you take that into full account, then the possible of danger/injury to the individual in the UK, as against someone in the USA is really tiny in comparison, per capita of course.

I was only originally thinking about the Gun Nuts, but actually, all crimes should be compared, not just idiots with bullets......

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05/07/2015 1:39 PM

This is all your own personally hand-picked information about the "gun" problem. The problem is not the guns. It is guns in the hands of criminals. In countries and locales where gun ownership is highly restricted, usually only the criminals, the illegal militias, and the police have weapons, and the citizens are at the mercy of thugs.

It may be there are a lot of gun deaths in the U.S., but at least when terrorists try to pull their thug crap in Texas, we put in their place, under the ground. Plain and simple.

Just between me and you, I think you drank too much Kool-Aid. You are living proof that statistics can be used to propagate a lie and make it seem as the truth. Take your EU ideas, and your UN, and go to hell with them with my blessing.

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05/07/2015 4:04 PM

Actually if you believe the NRAs style of politics, it may be a good time for you to avoid the kool- aid, which by the way, is as far as I am aware is not sold in Germany.....

I stopped drinking kids drinks while still a teenager....too much sugar being the reason then....still the reason now.

It is obvious to anyone with the slightest understanding of facts, that the country with the most guns, has the most gun deaths....now that wasn't too difficult to understand now was it?

Now think about the opposite, the country with the least numbers of guns has the least gun deaths. Why, because you need a lot of guns to kill a lot of people and they do not have a lot of guns....Also easy to understand....

The "in between" countries with the "in between" numbers of guns have an "in between" number of gun deaths.....sort of logical for anyone with a better brain than a half wit.....

Now are you still with me? See how simple the question can be made.....there are even quality statistics online on the web, from quality sources, demonstrating just that!! I have already posted some of them.....THEY SUPPORT THIS REASONING TOO!!

Pick your countries numbers of guns please per capita......? Now you know the number of gun deaths in proportion.....

See its "cut and dried" no matter what you "feel" or "think" or "believe" or "lie about"!!!

The only good thing for you and your arguments is that you have thousands of similar believers marching to the same Loonie tune!!!

But do not forget, a great deal of them in this world are ISIS members, Jihadists and Salafistan believers too!!! They enjoy the same music to march to.....the law of the gun!

BUT YOU WILL NEVER EVER UNDERSTAND THAT!!!

I will now give you the best tip of your life for the future =

"Never let it be known in public (or on CR4!), your personal take on Guns and attitude to gun crime in the USA, as there is no logical way for you to substantiate your position on them in a logical and meaning full manner......."

Simply put, an impossible task......now go off and play with your best piece!!

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05/07/2015 4:18 PM

And you are all mouth, no brains, and certainly no action! Idiot beyond measure.

Guns are tools. Guns do not kill people. I have never seen a gun jump up on its own volition and shoot someone. People kill people. That is why responsible people need guns to defend themselves from idiots (possibly like you) who want to take our sh** away from us. Our sh** is ours, not yours. So go sit on your tool and spin.

You think you are superior in intellect, but you are only showing how bereft of common sense you are. One could make the same argument with potatoes that you make with guns. The country with the most potatoes has more death from diabetes, or from heart failure, whatever. Idiots should never be allowed anywhere near statistics. In fact, the country with the most abused statistics is probably the one with the least freedom. You don't get it, and you never will, sorry for you on that one.

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05/07/2015 4:32 PM

Believe what you want, I can see that you are far beyond cool reasoning.......or cool understanding of the true facts.....that is certainly NOT my problem!!! I supplied facts, you only supply bluster......

Discussing this subject with you and your complete lack of any true facts to post and maybe give your arguments any "flesh", is a bit like shooting fish in a barrel for me personally. I can hit a fish with both eyes closed......

Just too damn easy....

Please continue arguing (if thats what you call it!!), I am sure that many here are having a good laugh at your expense!

I know I am.

Remember, I have the time, the energy, the knowledge of the facts and MANY supporting websites and links showing that.....only sudden death will stop me replying, either yours or mine!!

I am just getting into my stride!!!

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05/08/2015 12:09 PM

Tell you what buster, you come on over, and try your words on me for sudden death, versus, my Italian made riot shotgun. Good luck. Italians are engineers, what have you ever engineered? A kiddy pool?

By the way, my wife and I discussed this, and she feels that you are distorting the statistics, just as you liberal bent, politcally correct thinkers are wont to do. She used to work in social services - various hospitals, even in rape crisis center, drug rehabilitation, and other places, and knows (1) no physical injury is necessary for a crime to be classified as violent here in the United States, or in Texas, and (2) it is a known fact that two areas: District of Columbia, and also Chicago have the highest death rates by violence of anywhere in the States, and are the two most highly regulated places as to gun ownership, concealed carry permitting, etc.

Bottom line: When the citizens (who are intelligent enough and law-abiding and responsible as a general rule) are able to arm themselves against tyrants, despots, and military rule, the people win and the tyrants lose.

As I have said before Andy - I have agreed with you on many occasions, shared a few laughs on here with you, but if you insist on being a bastard and berating my country, then I am done with you, and every a**hole in Germany, the UK, and the EU who wants to shove their mind f*** down my throat. As far as I am concerned you are the one whose posterior could use a new cover.

America is without a doubt the greatest country that has ever been or will be. We are down at the moment, but you better stop kicking us while we are down, because as we used to say in the South - "The South Will Rise Again", and the US will rise again, and generally kick all you a**es all over again as necessary to keep Liberty shining. If you fail to realise this, then I pity you, and those like you who wish to toy with a rattlesnake. Like the one that used to be on our flag - for the British to see - "Don't tread on me."

The true facts: every citizenry in the world that becomes disarmed by their government or imperial ruler (the damnable King George as an example of a imperial ruler), eventually gets enslaved to the point by said empire or despot to the point there either is no life, or life becomes unbearable. No one is at that point here in America. There are plenty of people who have made bad choices, chosen an evil path, or caused chaos here. If you really knew anything about recent outrages, general looting, or pilferage and destruction of property, you would find the works of a few hundred (paid) violent inciters who roam about like a roaring lion seeking whom they may destroy, a few mis-guided youth with no evidence of discipline in their lives, and a vast majority of innocent black citizens who are just plain tired of all the killing of their children (not by police, but by the drug-thugs, etc., the communists, and the anarchists). All of these innocent people want nothing more than peace, a fair chance, and a reasonable expectation of safety in public and in their homes.

It the the failing of the United States Government by imposing government programs on these people that has destroyed the family unit (to a large measure), and this has spilled over throughout, and endangers the common good of all peace-living people everywhere. One of the best choices America could make for our next POTUS is Ben Carson - a well-known neuro-surgeon - successful in all that he has endeavored, clear in thought and speech, calm under duress, stress. He is very clear about the cause of the blight of inner city poverty - it is not racial hatred - it is governemnt programs that pin these people to being entrapped in the programs.

I love Ben Carson for what he does, what he believes, and what he stands for, and I will happily support his campaign, and vote for him when the time comes. So there.

P.S.- you can apologize now, you arrogant S.O.B.

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HERE YOU GO ANDY:

Citation

"Gun Control Facts." By James D. Agresti and Reid K. Smith. Just Facts, September 13, 2010. Revised 2/7/15. http://justfacts.com/guncontrol.asp

Finding What You Want

» Click on the footnote numbers for meticulous documentation of each fact.

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General Facts

Ownership

Crime and Self Defense

Background Checks and Criminals' Sources of Guns

Right-to-Carry Laws

Accidents

Politics

Constitution

Introductory Notes

This research is based upon the most recent available data in 2010. Facts from earlier years are cited based upon availability and relevance, not to slant results by singling out specific years that are different from others. Likewise, data associated with the effects of gun control laws in various geographical areas represent random, demographically diverse places in which such data is available.

Many aspects of the gun control issue are best measured and sometimes can only be measured through surveys,[1] but the accuracy of such surveys depends upon respondents providing truthful answers to questions that are sometimes controversial and potentially incriminating.[2] Thus, Just Facts uses such data critically, citing the best-designed surveys we find, detailing their inner workings in our footnotes, and using the most cautious plausible interpretations of the results.

Particularly, when statistics are involved, the determination of what constitutes a credible fact (and what does not) can contain elements of personal subjectivity. It is our mission to minimize subjective information and to provide highly factual content. Therefore, we are taking the additional step of providing readers with four examples to illustrate the type of material that was excluded because it did not meet Just Facts' Standards of Credibility.

General Facts

* Firearms are generally classified into three broad types: (1) handguns, (2) rifles, and (3) shotguns.[3] Rifles and shotguns are both considered "long guns."

* A semi-automatic firearm fires one bullet each time the trigger is pulled, ejects the shell of the fired bullet, and automatically loads another bullet for the next pull of the trigger. A fully automatic firearm (sometimes called a "machine gun") fires multiple bullets with the single pull of the trigger.[4]

Ownership

* As of 2009, the United States has a population of 307 million people.[5]

* Based on production data from firearm manufacturers,[6] there are roughly 300 million firearms owned by civilians in the United States as of 2010. Of these, about 100 million are handguns.[7]

* Based upon surveys, the following are estimates of private firearm ownership in the U.S. as of 2010:

Households With a Gun

Adults Owning a Gun

Adults Owning a Handgun

Percentage 40-45% 30-34% 17-19%
Number 47-53 million 70-80 million 40-45 million

[8]

* A 2005 nationwide Gallup poll of 1,012 adults found the following levels of firearm ownership:

Category

Percentage Owning

a Firearm

Households 42%
Individuals 30%
Male 47%
Female 13%
White 33%
Nonwhite 18%
Republican 41%
Independent 27%
Democrat 23%

[9]

* In the same poll, gun owners stated they own firearms for the following reasons:

Protection Against Crime 67%
Target Shooting 66%
Hunting 58%

[10]

Crime and Self-Defense

* Roughly 16,272 murders were committed in the United States during 2008. Of these, about 10,886 or 67% were committed with firearms.[11]

* A 1993 nationwide survey of 4,977 households found that over the previous five years, at least 0.5% of households had members who had used a gun for defense during a situation in which they thought someone "almost certainly would have been killed" if they "had not used a gun for protection." Applied to the U.S. population, this amounts to 162,000 such incidents per year. This figure excludes all "military service, police work, or work as a security guard."[12]

* Based on survey data from the U.S. Department of Justice, roughly 5,340,000 violent crimes were committed in the United States during 2008. These include simple/aggravated assaults, robberies, sexual assaults, rapes, and murders.[13] [14] [15] Of these, about 436,000 or 8% were committed by offenders visibly armed with a gun.[16]

* Based on survey data from a 2000 study published in the Journal of Quantitative Criminology,[17] U.S. civilians use guns to defend themselves and others from crime at least 989,883 times per year.[18]

* A 1993 nationwide survey of 4,977 households found that over the previous five years, at least 3.5% of households had members who had used a gun "for self-protection or for the protection of property at home, work, or elsewhere." Applied to the U.S. population, this amounts to 1,029,615 such incidents per year. This figure excludes all "military service, police work, or work as a security guard."[19]

* A 1994 survey conducted by the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention found that Americans use guns to frighten away intruders who are breaking into their homes about 498,000 times per year.[20]

* A 1982 survey of male felons in 11 state prisons dispersed across the U.S. found:[21]

• 34% had been "scared off, shot at, wounded, or captured by an armed victim"

• 40% had decided not to commit a crime because they "knew or believed that the victim was carrying a gun"

• 69% personally knew other criminals who had been "scared off, shot at, wounded, or captured by an armed victim"[22]

* Click here to see why the following commonly cited statistic does not meet Just Facts' Standards of Credibility: "In homes with guns, the homicide of a household member is almost 3 times more likely to occur than in homes without guns."


└ Vulnerability to Violent Crime

* At the 2013 homicide rate, roughly one in every 285 Americans will be murdered in their lifetime.[23]

* A U.S. Justice Department study based on crime data from 1974-1985 found:

• 42% of Americans will be the victim of a completed violent crime (assault, robbery, rape) in the course of their lives.

• 83% of Americans will be the victim of an attempted or completed violent crime.

• 52% of Americans will be the victim of an attempted or completed violent crime more than once.[24]

* A 1997 survey of more than 18,000 prison inmates found that among those serving time for a violent crime, "30% of State offenders and 35% of Federal offenders carried a firearm when committing the crime."[25]


└ Criminal Justice System

* Nationwide in 2008, law enforcement agencies reported that 55% of aggravated assaults, 27% of robberies, 40% of rapes, and 64% of murders that were reported to police resulted in an alleged offender being arrested and turned over for prosecution.[26] [27]

* Currently, for every 12 aggravated assaults, robberies, sexual assaults, rapes, and murders committed in the United States, approximately one person is sentenced to prison for committing such a crime.[28] [29] [30]

* A 2002 U.S. Justice Department study of 272,111 felons released from state prisons in 1994 found that within three years of their release:

• at least 67.5% had been arrested for committing a new offense.

• at least 21.6% had been arrested for committing a new violent offense.

• these former inmates had been charged with committing at least 2,871 new homicides, 2,444 new rapes, 3,151 other new sexual assaults, 2,362 new kidnappings, 21,245 new robberies, 54,604 new assaults, and 13,854 other new violent crimes.[31]

* Of 1,662 murders committed in New York City during 2003-2005, more than 90% were committed by people with criminal records.[32]


└ Washington, DC

* In 1976, the Washington, D.C. City Council passed a law generally prohibiting residents from possessing handguns and requiring that all firearms in private homes be (1) kept unloaded and (2) rendered temporally inoperable via disassembly or installation of a trigger lock. The law became operative on Sept. 24, 1976.[33] [34]

* On June 26, 2008, the U.S. Supreme Court, in a 5-4 ruling, struck down this law as unconstitutional.[35]

[36]

* During the years in which the D.C. handgun ban and trigger lock law was in effect, the Washington, D.C. murder rate averaged 73% higher than it was at the outset of the law, while the U.S. murder rate averaged 11% lower.[37]


└ Britain

* In 1920, Britain passed a law requiring civilians to obtain a certificate from their district police chief in order to purchase or possess any firearm except a shotgun. To obtain this certificate, the applicant had to pay a fee, and the chief of police had to be "satisfied" that the applicant had "good reason for requiring such a certificate" and did not pose a "danger to the public safety or to the peace." The certificate had to specify the types and quantities of firearms and ammunition that the applicant could purchase and keep.[38]

* In 1968, Britain made the 1920 law stricter by requiring civilians to obtain a certificate from their district police chief in order to purchase or possess a shotgun. This law also required that firearm certificates specify the identification numbers ("if known") of all firearms and shotguns owned by the applicant.[39]

* In 1997, Britain passed a law requiring civilians to surrender almost all privately owned handguns to the police. More than 162,000 handguns and 1.5 million pounds of ammunition were "compulsorily surrendered" by February 1998. Using "records of firearms held on firearms certificates," police accounted for all but fewer than eight of all legally owned handguns in England, Scotland, and Wales.[40]

† Homicide data is published according to the years in which the police initially reported the offenses as homicides, which are not always the same years in which the incidents took place.

‡ Large anomalies unrelated to guns:

2000: 58 Chinese people suffocated to death in a shipping container en route to the UK

2002: 172 homicides reported when Dr. Harold Shipman was exposed for killing his patients

2003: 20 cockle pickers drowned resulting in manslaughter charges

2005: 52 people were killed in the July 7th London subway/bus bombings

God love those cockle pickers (should they really be doing that?)

* In 1982, the city of Chicago instituted a ban on handguns. This ban barred civilians from possessing handguns except for those registered with the city government prior to enactment of the law. The law also specified that such handguns had to be re-registered every two years or owners would forfeit their right to possess them. In 1994, the law was amended to require annual re-registration.[43] [44] [45]

* In the wake of Chicago's handgun ban, at least five suburbs surrounding Chicago instituted similar handgun bans. When the Supreme Court overturned the District of Columbia's handgun ban in June 2008, at least four of these suburbs repealed their bans.[46] [47] [48] [49] [50]

* In June 2010, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled (5-4) that Chicago's ban is unconstitutional.[51]

[52]

* Since the outset of the Chicago handgun ban, the Chicago murder rate has averaged 17% lower than it was before the law took effect, while the U.S. murder rate has averaged 25% lower.[53]

[54]

* Since the outset of the Chicago handgun ban, the percentage of Chicago murders committed with handguns has averaged about 40% higher than it was before the law took effect.[55]

* In 2005, 96% of the firearm murder victims in Chicago were killed with handguns.[56]

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Mr. Stewart: You can't really argue ( discuss ) the deaths ( murders ) of any amount of individual human beings with Andy Germany. It has been a well documented fact that the peoples of Deutschland have the most experience with the structured apparatus of the killing ( murders ) of more people, in a very short period of time than any other group in the known history of the earth.

No other single nation in history has ever created more diverse ways of killing human beings.

The words " creativity, manifestation, compilation, statistics, organization, operations, transportations, solutions and cremations gained a new perspective within the system.

No other nation has ever created such a revolutionary mechanization with the sole intent of reducing or eliminating entire group of individuals.

There has been more foreign blood spilled and there are more foreign bodies buried on German soil in the period of 1933-1945 than the total amount of native Germans in the last 500 years.

Had the peoples of Deutschland committed their energies toward the betterment of mankind Rather than going the other way, some truly amazing feats of human engineering would be the stuff of history, such as: 1. Interplanetary Space Travel. 2. The Cure For Cancer. 3. Deep Ocean Engineering. 4. Diversity in Alternative Fuels and Sources of Energy, amongst others.

The peoples of Germany and their representative agents should be wise enough and also humble enough to allow all of the peoples of individual nations and their representative agents to solve their individual problems, situations and conditions in an autonomous nature.

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The point you make is true, nobody here likes the history, but knows its true. We do not lie to ourselves or anyone else about this, even though we don't like it, but please remember, that today, exactly 70 years ago, it all stopped. Today was VE DAY in 1945.

We thank the Allies for setting up the German parliamentary system after WW2 so that a "Hitler" can never ever happen here again.

Well done the Allies. We all thank you.

Everyone here on CR4, with even just a modest grasp on History will agree that Germany has learned and "turned itself around" quite dramatically since that day, 70 years ago.

But please look at just how badly the USA has handled African Americans generally over the last 70 years.....forgetting how badly they were "used" in the 2nd World War and before, not allowed in many cases to serve with white soldiers for example.....or going even farther back, kept as slaves, even killed with impunity.....

And even today, police and security guards (to name but a few!) are still shooting them and not being always put before a judge and jury for their actions, even to just exonerate them!!

Remember, a person of colour gets shot every 28 hours in the USA I read.......how awful!!

In the 60s for example, that is only 50 odd years ago, black people were still considered "fair game" and could usually be killed with often little or no come back on the perpetrators....the had separate schools in many areas.....

THIS EXACTLY HOW THE NAZIS DID IT YEARS AGO AND YOU GUYS ARE STILL DOING SOME OF IT TODAY!!

You have never stopped, but you criticise us for what happened over 70 years ago!!!!

Is that not:- "DO WHAT I SAY, NOT WHAT I DO?"

This method of "sitting in a glass house and throwing stones at other people's windows" as some Americans still do even today, IS STILL THE MOST STUPID METHOD OF ARGUING EVER THOUGHT OF!!

Fact America has more firearms per head of population

Fact America has more firearm deaths per head of population (white and black)

Fact is, you can "waffle" as much as you like and try and blame the Germans for Hitler (who wasn't even a German!) for what he did 70 and more years ago, and for the Brits for building the first Concentration camps the world has ever seen over a 100 years ago in south Africa (many did not know this!)

BUT THAT LIES A RELATIVELY LONG WAY IN THE PAST!!

You Guys are still doing it TODAY!!!!!!!!! EVEN RIGHT NOW!!!! EVEN TODAY!!!YOU HAVE NEVER EVER STOPPED DOING IT!!

And some of you find it even correct!!!!

WOW!!!

SO PLEASE, IF YOU ARE SOOOO CLEVER, FIX THE SOCIAL PROBLEMS AND THE GUN USAGE IN THE USA, WELL BEFORE YOU START THROWING OUR HISTORY IN OUR FACE, IT JUST MAKES SOME OF YOU LOOK VERY VERY STUPID AND AT BEST COMPLETELY UNINFORMED ABOUT YOUR OWN COUNTRY.

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05/08/2015 11:56 AM

Dear Andy Germany:

Let me begin by saying that I am not clever, or " so clever " as you have phrased it. Actually I am very stupid, and the older I get, the more I realize how stupid I really am.

I will attempt to address your opinions and concerns.

Let's begin with V E Day, known in Deutschland as Democracy Day. This day is celebrated in every country in the world with parades and speeches by those countries that were directly impacted by the aggressions of Nazi Germany. I seriously doubt there will be much in the way of celebrations within the borders of Germany itself.

I believe that you are truly thankful to the Allies for helping the Germanic peoples to establish a parliamentary form of governance for your people, but it is the sole responsibility of the German people to see that an Adolf Hitler is never allowed to come into power again, the Allies are not responsible for the direction of the German people, the people of Deutschland assume that responsibility.

Seventy years is such a short period of time in the overall history of nations, until the current generation has expired and several succeeding generations have come and gone will the true resolve and courage of the German people's be truly realized.

Yes, it is true that in the beginning days of World War 2, African Americans did not serve alongside their non - African American counterparts, that is until the first lady Eleanor Roosevelt, chided her husband, President Franklin Roosevelt into allowing African Americans to serve. And serve with distinction they did ! Many a bomber crew members can thank those " Red Tails " of the Tuskegee Airmen with helping them perform their duties and return to their families.

Your argument of " This is how the Nazis did it " is very weak, to say the least. The Nazis imprisoned, tortured and killed everyone ( including ethnic Aryan Germans ) who did not swear allegiance to the policies of The Third Reich.

Maybe, if more Germans owned guns and one of them had actually used one, then maybe the turmoil created by Herr Hitler would have never come to pass.

The one thing I will never understand is how the German people " Allowed" themselves to get duped by a Bohemian Corporal.

Lastly, Yes, it is true, there are many difficulties that Americans need to resolve in their own country and we will, God willing, resolve our own problems.

Often times like this, I am reminded of a verse in the bible that says to pull the log out of your eye before you try pulling it out of your neighbors eye.

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I don't know if you realize it, but "Drinking the Kool-Aid" is an Americanism which others may not understand. It is not to be taken literally.

Read the Wiki article linked to this definition to get the full impact of the origin of the expression:

"This has led to the phrase "Drinking the Kool-Aid", referring to a person or group holding an unquestioned belief, argument, or philosophy without critical examination."

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Kool aid is great stuff, my wife's relatives in Vietnam love the stuff ( its pretty expensive there I understand and very hard to get ), so a couple of years ago, I sent them every flavor I could get my hands on ( times two). Also I figured giving them something exotic is a good way to start good relations.

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05/08/2015 12:14 PM

Hemet: You are a laugh riot! Also very informative. I don't know why Kool-Aid can't be found in the stores in Vietnam, but someone should fix that. Children all seem to love that drink.

The term "Don't drink the Kool-Aid" actually harks back to the Jonestown incident in Ghiana (I think) in South America where the "reverend" Jim Jones was going to lose his controlled cult members due to his shenanigans, and thus he had his henchmen distribute Kool-Aid spiked with cyanide, and almost all of them did die (or be murdered in other ways before they could escape).

Don't drink the Kool-Aid is given as a warning to the dangers of whatever is being passed out free without vetting.

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Then we all know who that applies to very accurately, the "gun nuts" of the USA!!!

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As an interesting aside, I think it might have been in the wiki link I posted, it mentioned that when recording the number of guns held by citizens it did not count guns held for military purposes. For instance, Switzerland has a large civilian reserve force who are all required to keep army issue rifles at home yet their gun crime rate is low.

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Actually, my opinion is that the gun crime in Switzerland is still far higher than I expected.....

True its only a third of the USA, but its double that of Germany and 14 times that of the UK (all approximate!)

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05/08/2015 7:32 AM

Get the guns away from the criminal, and you can have mine.

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You wrote "Get the guns away from the criminal, and you can have mine."

Which could imply, a typical American wise guy point of view, that I, a European, should somehow "fix" an American problem that no American is seemingly "man enough" to achieve......up to now at least!!!

No wonder you Guys have such awful problems if you are waiting for the "cavalry" from Europe to come and fix your problems..........you might wait a LOOONNNGGG time I feel!!!

Or maybe I misunderstood who you were addressing? Could you clear that up in some way please?Many thanks in advance of your full explanation.....

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Pretty much here and now, I am inviting all Europeans who think they want to come to America to "fix" our problem, go ahead and have a go at it. Make sure your burial policy is paid up first.

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Why guns?

Look at he history of of the German people under Hitler.

He made sure that privately owned guns were confiscated, or heavily controlled before going to war.

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05/05/2015 7:06 AM

Most auto parts stores sell a repair kit to glue it back on.

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Whoa! That was easy!

Auto Part Stores!

I hope this "nails" it for OP.

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05/06/2015 9:22 AM

This.

Exactly this!

I had an issue where a read view mirror fell off, and my first stop was to an auto parts store(1). They had the solution hanging right on the pegboard, in a convienent and inexpensive single-use kit.

It was two components, if memory serves. After marking the mounting location on the OUTSIDE of the glass with a permanent marker(2) you started with an alcohol swab(3) to degrease the glass and 'tombstone' mount. Then you used a version of cyanoacrylate adhesive(4) to bond the tombstone mount to the glass, let it cure for an hour or so(5) then you simply attached the mirror to the mount.

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  1. I think the one I walked into was a franchise with a wild-haired, wild-bearded face as the logo, but honestly, for tools and 'quick fix' kits, they all carry the same stuff.
  2. Despite the name, the marker comes off of glass with rubbing alcohol, or just let it wear away from the elements.
  3. Based on the smell while using it.
  4. Ibid(6).
  5. Or was it a few minutes, and I'm mixing up the wait time with the 3M Command Adhesive strips? It's been a while since I put the mirror back on, and my memory may be fuzzy(7).
  6. Latin, meaning 'In the same place,' used in footnoted to indicate 'the same as above.'
  7. Remember, always read the instructions that come with a repair kit, it may not be used the way you think you remember using it before.
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Whatever glass bonding agent you select be sure that the glass where the mirror mounts and the mounting surface of the mirror is very clean and free of all RTV, oil, or anything else that will cause the bond to fail.

A razor blade scrapping and cleaning with 99% rubbing alcohol works well.

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Using silicon carbide paper to break the glaze improves adhesion no end.

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You might just put in a rear view camera with night vision and eliminate the mirror....

http://www.amazon.com/Pyle-PLCM7700-Waterproof-Distance-Assistance/dp/B005P5UMY4

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Shame this would not be legal in the UK. Rear view cameras have to be fitted so that they only operate when reverse gear is selected. Apart from this, any TV screen visible to the driver can only operate when the engine is not running.

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I had a friendly discussion with a Policeman, while driving around Heathrow one evening, waiting for my Wife to appear outside after flying in from Frankfurt, because I have a rear mounted video system, with a monitor on the dash, to show me what is following me behind the van. He was not bothered when I said it was only a rear view mirror "video".....and simply drove off.

Perhaps the German registration helps.....

We had a lot of fun that night, because the M25 was blocked in the direction we needed to drive for Dover, so I drove through the middle of London to get onto the A2.

So we took the A4 (I believe) eastwards, eventually going through Picadilly and Trafalgar Squares!!

No problem whatsoever!! Even though it was really heavy Friday night traffic!!! Certainly not improved by the M25 accident.....

The locals probably though it was just some crazy German.....Well I suppose it was.....

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The last time I tried that I missed a turn & was trying to work my way through the residential back streets to get back on track. I saw some blue flashing lights ahead & approached slowly, Turned out it was a red light district & the police were stopping suspected kerb crawlers. I must have an innocent face, they pointed me in the right direction & let me go.

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So the rear view camera can only operate while in reverse gear, and the screen to SEE the camera view can only operate when the motor is turned off?

So you can only use the rear view camera when the car is off AND in reverse gear?

Who wrote those rules, Monty Python? That makes less sense than Jeremy Clarkson's three storey caravan (with shrubbery) from that Top Gear Episode.

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LOL!!

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Not quite, you can use the rear view screen but it can only activate when reverse gear is selected. Other screens can only activate when the engine is off or must be out of the drivers vision. Mind you, we have other rules that make your interpretation seem positively sensible.

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" Mind you, we have other rules that make your interpretation seem positively sensible."

Wow, mind blown. I thing I get it now, why we had that 'argument' 200some years ago.

It wasn't about tea.

It wasn't about taxes.

It wasn't even about 'Freedom.'

We just wanted to get away from those insane lawmakers. Sorry we couldn't bring you all with, but with all the shooting and blockading going on, it just wasn't possible. And once the French and Germans started nosing around, it would have looked completely rediculous to try and smuggle all the British over to the Colonies during an 'act of rebellion.'

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05/05/2015 11:52 AM

Most of the auto parts store rear view mirror adhesives have already passed their shelf life. For about 5 dollars, the glass shop that did your windshield will reinstall the mirror.

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Sometimes we get caught up in the details and lose sight of a simple and logical answer. I agree, take it to a glass shop and they can install the mirror for you. They should put it in the correct location and if it doesn't work, they are responsible. They're the professionals, correct?

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Lots of choices, I've used the sticky pads successfully. As others have said, the secret is in the preparation & you have made that more difficult by using a silicone based product.

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Don't worry about it, whatever is behind you is in the past. Go forward and conquer!

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There are mirror adhesivie kits in the automotive stores. 2-part kit. You apply the activator very lightly to the mirror and the adhesive to the window and then put the mirror in place and hold there for a minute or so. Clean the glass with alcohol first and the mirror base.

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Your post makes absolutely no sense. You say, " My problem the guy who replaced the wind screen ", can you tell us, Exactly how is this your problem ? In my estimation, the repair job was not completed correctly. There is simple logic here. A. Was the rearview mirror attached to the prior wind screen ? B. Was the rearview mirror reattached to the new wind screen ? Simple fix, return your vehicle to the shop and have the technician complete the repairs.

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I, too, was going to suggest taking the car back the guy who replaced the windscreen and tell him to mount the mirror.

But, ozzb's suggestion in #4 is also good. I've clumsily knocked off my mirror and replaced it myself by going to an auto parts store and asking if they have something for that. And, yes, they do.

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05/06/2015 4:40 PM

If you use the cyanoacrylate glue, after cleaning everything extremely well (as everyone has pointed out), follow the directions (actually this is step one), then apply an appropriate amount of glue to the mirror holder side that faces the "windscreen", not the side the mirror clip slides over.

Do not use an excess amount of glue, whereupon you might be tempted to wipe it up with your fingers. Then your fingers will be stuck to the steering wheel that you invariably will touch, and you will not be able to control your car while driving with hands stuck to the wheel, and then you will never need to glue the mirro in place again, ever.

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05/07/2015 2:38 PM

A shopping/research trip to the local Halfords (usual disclaimer) is just totally out of the question, then?

A phone call to the individual that replaced the windscreen is also totally out of the question, then?

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That Post mortem blog about common sense, I posted, can be applied to many points of view on CR4.....

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And you Andy Germany are about the last person on this planet who should be writing anything about common sense.

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Your opinion here is as flawed as your opinions on guns, that is, seriously flawed.....

But luckily for me, many others here, both privately and openly agree with me!!As I am sure you have noticed....

Not that I need their support, but its a "nice to have" commodity.....

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Yeah, well don't spend it all in one place, kiddo.

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The problem with guns in USA is that there are not enough of them. If you do not want them in the UK or Germany, send them to the USA, we can use them.

90% of the deaths of people of color are caused by other people of color. Mostly in poor parts of large cities so crime-ridden the police are afraid to enter. Most of the crime is gang and drug related.

If they didn't have guns they would kill each other with knives and clubs and cars.

The quickest way to end most of the crime is to end our useless, meaningless, expensive, non-effective War on Drugs.

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I don't necessarily "disbelieve" you, but do please post weblinks giving factual information that supports your claims, otherwise I might!!!

We already have enough here who "protest", but cannot support their comments in any way whatsoever....they are also simply rude, racist and call others here names. Childish in th extreme.....we all know who!!

I am sure you understand my standpoint completely now.

I have already posted some links here supporting MY standpoint, also I am willing to post even more, IF, you and some others here start doing the same....BUT AS OF THIS POST, NONE HAVE MANAGED TO POST A LINK SUPPORTING THEIR TAKE, SIMPLY NOTHING......DUUUHHHH!!!

MY STANDPOINT IS SIMPLY, I have already posted such information, nobody has supplied anything in opposition.....

KAPISCHE?

Arguments are two sided, not one.

Up to now this has only been one sided with measure facts from myself and replied to with rudeness, racism and bias, completely unsupported by any verifiable facts....

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As has been said by others: "When guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have them."

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