Are you a Lefty or a righty ?

righty

Front right paw...

The Front for Cat Lib

LOL

Right

Was in a pub quiz with 3 biologists last night and they were all leftys, i as an engineer was the only righty. Does this mean all biologists are sinister

No, but it does mean those three were in their right minds. :)

Left hook....

I think its 9% of the population who are gifted with being left handers....

John.

And at least 2 of us left-handed and named John

It is my belief that 99% of the population that is left-handed, end up being very intelligent. The reason for this is due to the fact that we have to survive in a right-handed world. Everything is made for righties. Us left-handers have to adapt, conform, and alter what would be normal to us, just to be able to do such simple tasks.

Born a lefty but forced to be a righty. Am I a bothy?

I'm a righty and pitifully inept with the south paw.

I'm a righty and it's always fun to watch lefties as they try to write.

Yes, but you live in Ohio with nothing else to do... (just kidding!)

Left handed. My daughter is also left handed and my son is right handed, so my genetic experiment indicates there is no correlation to the parents' genetic tendencies.

I am a male righty.

married to a non engineer converted lefty.

have a daughter with all kinds of scientific degrees who is a lefty.

I believe you should also collect male vs female data in the righty/lefty score. also could ask Mensa if they have lefty/righty data. another interesting bit of data would be IQ vs lefty/righty for each sex.

interesting project, but I bet you it has been done before.

Mike Chasin

Is she married?

About 1 out of 10 are lefties

AND

About 1 out of 10 are incarcerated

As the police are knocking on my front door, I want you to know I'm a lefty.

left

but can do it both with hands. Depends on the tools

If you can write with either hand underwater..you're ambiphibious!

I think that I am a lefty, as my left works as well as my right, except my handwriting is just a bit different with the left hand. I am quite sure that when I was a child that I displayed left-handed characteristics, and you may have heard the saying "there is no such thing as a left-handed German." So, I was corrected, which may have been a blessing in disquise as I was able to function relatively well during physical rehab on my left arm several years ago, and recently the treatment of my right arm.

So; who knows? I may truely be a lefty in a righty world.

Ing. Robert Forbus

There iz no suzh ting as a left-handed German! Hail da Fatherland! Or papa might spank me!!! After all these years, it's still there!!! Yes, I do have a German girlfriend. Member of za Party. You need to read Alice Mueller.

I`m a right handed German.
Must I emigrate or wear a magic cap now ?
Will I be granted asylum on my old days ? Where ? What about my wife ?

Dont destroy my hopes ... ;-)
Uwe

The line to the left goes to the showers. You may proceed.

Jawoll !!

Read some research on this recently, but can't remember where. Children born to women over 40 more likely to be lefties. The older the mother, the more likely the child will be a lefty. Don't know why.

All three of my hands are left hands.

It must suck to be monoplegic.

I had something to say about it, only what was it?

Well, I am ambidextrous by many means, I have always forced myself to do this. I favor my right mostly, and i can no longer write with my left. I will tell you though, most left handed people are exceptional at many things, much like my father. I was told they tend to be very creative. And true, only a short time ago, they were forced to change as a young child. But the great thing about this issue is the effect on the brain. Just being left or right handed must have effects on brain development even as a youngster, somehow, making us different. I worked with doctor David Grand on a project studying brain reaction through tactile stimulation. What they found was that said stimulation increased brain activity, especially creatively. The technique could be used without music, but we created a way to integrate it into music with sound effects. Without music, he could achieve results by only stimulating your hands....

Yeh I think we've all done...this

a project studying brain reaction through tactile stimulation

See post #19

I'm a lefty, and I am led to believe that I'm a fairly talented mechanical designer. Creative, inventive, good problem solver. Adept at reading measuring tools upside-down. Modest too.

From what I recall people use the opposite side of their brain more depending on their 'handedness'...

So right handed people use their left side of their brain more.

Left handed use their right hand side brain more etc...

The left handed side of the brain is supposed to be more tuned to logic perception I think... With the right handed side more to do with creativity, artistic, language...

Or have I got them mixed up??

John. definitely a lefty!!

Interesting factoid - Lenardo Da Vinci was left handed (so was Hitler!) and he was born on my birthday exactly 400 years earlier than me!! >>This information may not be correct but its interesting ain't it?<<

Da Vinci also wrote from right to left...

I wonder if it was easier for da Vinci to write right to left because he was left handed...

rather than to make it more difficult for others to read it.

And backwards.

Galileo might have thought to use hebrew to conceal his work from the christian menace but for the fact that hebrews were also under the scrutiny of the church's merry band of murderers who made the wonders of inquisitions a thing of beauty wonder if they were properly crooked individuals perhaps attention deficit individuals with hatred for everyone else.

Harder to find a properly warped piece of wood to carve than a strait one.

(Idle thought and speculation, pay no mind to me)

Chapman: Trouble at mill.
Cleveland: Oh no - what kind of trouble?
Chapman: One on't cross beams gone owt askew on treadle.
Cleveland: Pardon?
Chapman: One on't cross beams gone owt askew on treadle.
Cleveland: I don't understand what you're saying.
Chapman: [slightly irritatedly and with exaggeratedly clear accent] One of the cross beams has gone out askew on the treadle.
Cleveland: Well what on earth does that mean?
Chapman: *I* don't know - Mr Wentworth just told me to come in here and say that there was trouble at the mill, that's all - I didn't expect a kind of Spanish Inquisition.

[JARRING CHORD]

[The door flies open and Cardinal Ximinez of Spain [Palin] enters, flanked by two junior cardinals. Cardinal Biggles [Jones] has goggles pushed over his forehead. Cardinal Fang [Gilliam] is just Cardinal Fang]

Ximinez: NOBODY expects the Spanish Inquisition! Our chief weapon is surprise...surprise and fear...fear and surprise.... Our two weapons are fear and surprise...and ruthless efficiency.... Our *three* weapons are fear, surprise, and ruthless efficiency...and an almost fanatical devotion to the Pope.... Our *four*...no... *Amongst* our weapons.... Amongst our weaponry...are such elements as fear, surprise.... I'll come in again.

[The Inquisition exits]

Chapman: I didn't expect a kind of Spanish Inquisition.

[JARRING CHORD]

[The cardinals burst in]

Ximinez: NOBODY expects the Spanish Inquisition! Amongst our weaponry are such diverse elements as: fear, surprise, ruthless efficiency, an almost fanatical devotion to the Pope, and nice red uniforms - Oh damn!
[To Cardinal Biggles] I can't say it - you'll have to say it.
Biggles: What?
Ximinez: You'll have to say the bit about 'Our chief weapons are ...'
Biggles: [rather horrified]: I couldn't do that...

[Ximinez bundles the cardinals outside again]

Chapman: I didn't expect a kind of Spanish Inquisition.

[JARRING CHORD]

[The cardinals enter]

Biggles: Er.... Nobody...um....
Ximinez: Expects...
Biggles: Expects... Nobody expects the...um...the Spanish...um...
Ximinez: Inquisition.
Biggles: I know, I know! Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition. In fact, those who do expect -
Ximinez: Our chief weapons are...
Biggles: Our chief weapons are...um...er...
Ximinez: Surprise...
Biggles: Surprise and --
Ximinez: Okay, stop. Stop. Stop there - stop there. Stop. Phew! Ah! ... our chief weapons are surprise...blah blah blah. Cardinal, read the charges.
Fang: You are hereby charged that you did on diverse dates commit heresy against the Holy Church. 'My old man said follow the--'
Biggles: That's enough.
[To Cleveland] Now, how do you plead?
Clevelnd: We're innocent.
Ximinez: Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha!

[DIABOLICAL LAUGHTER]

Biggles: We'll soon change your mind about that!

[DIABOLICAL ACTING]

Ximinez: Fear, surprise, and a most ruthless-- [controls himself with a supreme effort] Ooooh! Now, Cardinal -- the rack!

[Biggles produces a plastic-coated dish-drying rack. Ximinez looks at it and clenches his teeth in an effort not to lose control. He hums heavily to cover his anger]

Ximinez: You....Right! Tie her down.

[Fang and Biggles make a pathetic attempt to tie her on to the drying rack]

Ximinez:Right! How do you plead?
Clevelnd: Innocent.
Ximinez: Ha! Right! Cardinal, give the rack [oh dear] give the rack a turn.

[Biggles stands their awkwardly and shrugs his shoulders]

Biggles: I....
Ximinez: [gritting his teeth] I *know*, I know you can't. I didn't want to say anything. I just wanted to try and ignore your crass mistake.
Biggles: I...
Ximinez: It makes it all seem so stupid.
Biggles: Shall I...?
Ximinez: No, just pretend for God's sake. Ha! Ha! Ha!

[Biggles turns an imaginary handle on the side of the dish-rack]

[Cut to them torturing a dear old lady, Marjorie Wilde]

Ximinez: Now, old woman -- you are accused of heresy on three counts -- heresy by thought, heresy by word, heresy by deed, and heresy by action -- *four* counts. Do you confess?
Wilde: I don't understand what I'm accused of.
Ximinez: Ha! Then we'll make you understand! Biggles! Fetch...THE CUSHIONS!

[JARRING CHORD]

[Biggles holds out two ordinary modern household cushions]

Biggles: Here they are, lord.
Ximinez: Now, old lady -- you have one last chance. Confess the heinous sin of heresy, reject the works of the ungodly -- *two* last chances. And you shall be free -- *three* last chances. You have three last chances, the nature of which I have divulged in my previous utterance.
Wilde: I don't know what you're talking about.
Ximinez: Right! If that's the way you want it -- Cardinal! Poke her with the soft cushions!

[Biggles carries out this rather pathetic torture]

Ximinez: Confess! Confess! Confess!
Biggles: It doesn't seem to be hurting her, lord.
Ximinez: Have you got all the stuffing up one end?
Biggles: Yes, lord.
Ximinez [angrily hurling away the cushions]: Hm! She is made of harder stuff! Cardinal Fang! Fetch...THE COMFY CHAIR!

[JARRING CHORD]

[Zoom into Fang's horrified face]

Fang [terrified]: The...Comfy Chair?

[Biggles pushes in a comfy chair -- a really plush one]

Ximinez: So you think you are strong because you can survive the soft cushions. Well, we shall see. Biggles! Put her in the Comfy Chair!

[They roughly push her into the Comfy Chair]

Ximinez [with a cruel leer]: Now -- you will stay in the Comfy Chair until lunch time, with only a cup of coffee at eleven. [aside, to Biggles] Is that really all it is?
Biggles: Yes, lord.
Ximinez: I see. I suppose we make it worse by shouting a lot, do we? Confess, woman. Confess! Confess! Confess! Confess
Biggles: I confess!
Ximinez: Not you!

This obvious talent is not wasted, but instead, wisely invested in us, right here. Thanks for the confidence and for the trust. - Y.

I get the impression that if you were to use proper punctuation, your text just MIGHT make some sense. At least please use a period at the end of each sentence!!!

More Idle speculation

Hebrew is written write to left Arabic left to write other advanced ancient culture's I a little ignorant about at this time. Like maybe Mayan I have no idea how thoughts are written down, left, right, or up I don't know. I think Leonardo knew Hebrew it makes sense why or how is to me unimportant because you say he wrote right to left. That necessity is the mother of idea should also lead us to stipulate that some great minds are born into persecution and I think the greatest would have to be of unjustified persecution because criminals usually have modus operandi.

If all tools were developed to use with predominately a left handed group of people left handed people would think predominantly with there left brain hemisphere because thats a trait we humans have. Learn to shoot dart as a predominantly right handed person of necessity because they are predominantly right handed tools. I myself can hit 15 and 16 better with my left and 18 and 19 better with my right. Bullseye I shoot about eqaully well though I'm not going to enter any competitions to prove my skill; I can shoot darts decently and anyone who shoots predominantly left or right will in the short term be more successful. I might show someone up with practise and talent is talent. Tools and handedness teach someone to use a handed tool give them one for the other and to use it they have to unlearn to use it; perhaps I mean not think and use it till that hand operates the tool properly and experience to use it productively. Think about it to be left handed in a right handed world means the more creative by necessity side of you mind needs functioning to merely get by. What a bunch of hogwash people buy into.

???

Where do you come from?

What do you think 'darts' are???

...'Darts' in the UK are small pointed projectiles thrown by hand at a dart board in pubs.....and are not 'handed' ...so I don't understand your post!

It is believed that 'darts' originated from medieval archers throwing arrows.

Try it. Then give a more qualified comment and darts are in my mind a perfect example and because I'm not talking out my, well never mind. Your right darts are not handed but people decidedly are and thats how I'm going to put it because thats what people such as everyone who have commented to state there handedness do. I stated no such thing as to my handedness I have difficulties unthinking and learning task with a different hand and arm; many skills require people less decidely handed and I personally feel being handed is a handicap people afford themselves due to laziness or lack of interest in personal improvement. You train that can't.

I'm not trying to argue...just trying to decipher your meaning.

If you mean that learning to use either hand (or foot) is a good thing then I agree.

I'm not much good at football (soccer) but as a kid I practiced all one summer using my (wrong) left foot...It made me a better player and improved my general coordination.

I have even wondered if practicing hitting golf shots with a left handed club would improve my right handed game.

I asked where you are from as I can only assume that English is not your first language, because I have difficulty understanding your posts.

I feel I have an interesting understanding of my primary language some its due to studiing french in school and some is due to an early interest in reading and primarily a good foundation of classic literature. Some tell me the only thing worse than not understanding what I say is to do so. I don't have a problem with that advantage.

If you did us all the courtesy of filling in some detail in your personal profile I would be more sympathetic towards your quirky use of language.

Your writing gives the impression that you believe you are doing me a favour by communicating.

The converse is true... At least I have taken the trouble to give some insight as to who I am, and my location....despite hiding behind the alter-ego of a cat...I do actually reveal all.

'Some tell me the only thing worse than not understanding what I say is to do so. I don't have a problem with that advantage.'

Were this attitude enhanced with some wit, I might take the time to persevere, but alas, I merely find it irritating.

Del, I have to admire your perserverance in trying to understand Strife, I unfortunately, don't have your patience!!!

John.

Here on the other side of the pond I too find Strife's English quite strange and very difficult to understand...

He must be from Canada. They talk pretty funny up there.

-A-

How does an idiot deal with a problem they can't solve?

How does a scientist solve a complex problem not easily solved?

Find you own examples unless your all idiots.

One thing I can commend you for is your choice of username, all things considered. Strife: you seem to thrive on it.

One does have to allow for the Coriolis Effect!

".sloot dednah thgir yltnanimoderp era yeht esuaceb ytissecen fo nosrep dednah thgir yltnanimoderp a sa strad toohs ot nraeL" :etorw efirtS ----- Yes, both darts and keyboards seem to share this trait. (Btw, I have a left-handed catcher's mask I'm willing to sell you on eBay. And an unopened package of soda straws. Interested?) ;-|

OK, I confess! I am Herman Garring. My Furore, please save me!

LEFTY!

Handedness, how many lefties are out there who refuse to learn to operate some handedness handicap device for right handicaps a good tools operates correctly either time. Handedness a acceptable handicaps governed entirely by the prevalent stupidity similar to usable level of intelligence anything above commonplace is somehow anti-social and the general populace will discourage or penalize the offending individuals. I have good mechanical skill and write terribly with my left.

Is it me ? But I'm sorry I didn't understand your post at all...

Are you left or right handed?

John

Being a right hander, I must correct you on your statement "a good tools operates correctly either time!" Not correct! good quality scissors have a bias on the handles so that when you close them with your right hand, the 2 blades are pushed together to create a shear! If used in the left hand, the blades are forced apart and do not create the shear! My uncle was the last handmade scissor manufacturer in Sheffield, the home of stainless steel! He made quality scissors for the Queen and knows his scissors!!

Talk about shear nonsense. I have tin shears that work better than any common aviator snips which are handed and my snips I can them snips, the larger type work more better still and in either hand. Einstein

Cooper an American tool company makes great metal cutting tools probably better than mine, I want some duck bill ones a mentally challenged employer destroyed my last duckbills cutting some trash to save his own junk the wear and tear. I would have made him eat them had I only known he had done it at the time. I call them duckbills they cut left or right turn cuts and fairly heavy stock too. Tin snips in good condition will cut paper maybe you need some, Truman. Send a pair to Merry old England maybe it'll help your Uncle out.

The spell checks not working properly, can you tell or maybe its the extra editor.

Talk about Shear nonsense. Scissor madness, Tin Snips are similar and work fine either hand providing they aren't the aviator type.

Einstein send a pair of american made cooper snip for left and right angle cut in good condition see if he can figure out the bizarre concept of larger metal cutting scissors machine ground for either hand that work.

A little test for your club like left hand! get old loose scissors and in your right hand cut some paper! Easy! Change to your left hand and without contorting your hand, cut the paper again! It seems to slip between the two blades! It´s amazing, they don't cut and that is because, your hand does not create the shear pressure! Case closed! At least you seem to cut metal sheet with gilbos and not scissors! As a note of interest, my sister is a lefty and not at all interested in cutting metal or welding widgets!

Would you send me a pair? I've got paper and a rock.

Worn out scissors are a good example of tools that need to be repaired or replaced you mean? I'm lost what are you trying to say?

"Stan can't have babies, and that's no one's fault. Not even the Romans. But, we CAN fight for Stan's RIGHT to have babies!"

-A-

You da man!

But what did the romans ever do for us? apart from roads!

Christianity? Latin origin of language? Foundation of economy (unified currency, taxes for services rendered, centralised commodity exchange)? Foundation of Republican system? Foundation of state (centralised army, governmental departments, police)?

Romans invented the concept of a fire department, particularly the bucket-brigade. They also spread Western Civilization (I use the term loosely) from Persia to the British Isles.

Rome also perfected irrigation and public waterworks. Aqueducts and lead plumbing (lead's symbol, Pb, derives from the latin Plumbum). A bit of trivia: The spacing of modern railroad rails, for example, is the same as that of Roman chariots.

The influence of Ancient Rome on civilization simply cannot be underestimated.

OK apart from all that, what else did the romans ever do for us?

Spaghetti?

Demonstrated the art of a hasty retreat?

They also gave us the modern legal system and lawyers.

Now let's not go knocking lawyers. They're an important source of protein.

Are you on Night-Watch by any chance?....

My Graveyard Shift just started, and I'm hungry as a hog on leave of absence. It's only that my mom told me: "No lawyers son! Remember last time, when you needed a lawyer to wiggle your way out of it?"

Now I'm out on a prowl, bored, hungry, and nothing on-sight.

Any suggestions?

Yeah!... besides everything we use for modern life, what did technology ever do for us?

Nothing, exactly! If you can call prancing around in chariots with big long feathers stuck out of your head crying 'Hail Ceaser' technological advancement then I will quite happily pull my pants over my head and do a John Cleese walk while whisteling 'rule Britania'

By all means, go ahead:

It's only natural in the evolution of bi-pedal advance:

O-No you don't . . .

Made my day butler! LOL :) Where do you guys dig these things up from? I'm sure I must use an 'Only look for serious stuff' type of internet browser or something!

Google images. Think up the wildest stuff that comes to mind (or even on-topic stuff, if you dare) and see what turns up.

Or You-Tube, for that matter

Mr. Truman Brain (cool username, btw, IMHO) counters: "Nothing, exactly."

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Having replied "Nothing, exactly," don't you find it just a little bit ironic to find yourself posting "Nothing, exactly" on the Internet, a rather significant technology?

Thanks, You have a very Roman username, quite apt for this post dont you think! I was wondering why my monitor was wearing a shiney metal hat! At last all is made clear! I'm going to have a peek at google images now to see what gems pop up!

That is a true thang!

Tin snips might be different. They're thicker and more powerfully joined. It's kind of hard to force the blades of good tin snips either right or left.

Strife writes: "Handedness, how many lefties are out there who refuse to learn to operate some handedness handicap device for right handicaps a good tools operates correctly either time. Handedness a acceptable handicaps governed entirely by the prevalent stupidity similar to usable level of intelligence anything above commonplace is somehow anti-social and the general populace will discourage or penalize the offending individuals. I have good mechanical skill and write terribly with my left."

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Please, then, put down the screwdriver.

Looks to me that you've garbled my message. Thats All.

If that is true, it makes far more sense garbled.

Any reason you need not follow the rules governing this site.

and what rules might those be, Guest?

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8. ADDITIONAL SOFTWARE/SERVICES. This EULA applies to updates, supplements, add-on components, or Internet-based services components, of the Software that We may provide to you or make available to you after the date you obtain your initial copy of the Software, unless we provide other terms along with the update, supplement, add-on component, or Internet-based services component. We reserves the right to discontinue any Internet-based services provided to you or made available to you through the use of the Software.

9. UPGRADES. To use Software identified as an upgrade, you must first be licensed for the software identified by We as eligible for the upgrade. After upgrading, you may no longer use the software that formed the basis for your upgrade eligibility.

10. NOT FOR RESALE SOFTWARE. Software identified as "Not For Resale" or "NFR," may not be sold or otherwise transferred for value, or used for any purpose other than demonstration, test or evaluation.

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13. SOFTWARE TRANSFER. Internal. You may move the Software to a different Workstation Computer. After the transfer, you must completely remove the Software from the former Workstation Computer. Transfer to Third Party. The initial user of the Software may make a one-time permanent transfer of this EULA and Software to another end user, provided the initial user retains no copies of the Software. This transfer must include all of the Software (including all component parts, the media and printed materials, any upgrades, this EULA, and, if applicable, the Certificate of Authenticity). The transfer may not be an indirect transfer, such as a consignment. Prior to the transfer, the end user receiving the Software must agree to all the EULA terms.

14. TERMINATION. Without prejudice to any other rights, We may terminate this EULA if you fail to comply with the terms and conditions of this EULA. In such event, you must destroy all copies of the Software and all of its component parts.

15. LIMITED WARRANTY FOR SOFTWARE ACQUIRED IN THE US AND CANADA. We warrants that the Software will perform substantially in accordance with the accompanying materials for a period of ninety (90) days from the date of receipt. If an implied warranty or condition is created by your state /jurisdiction and federal or state/provincial law prohibits disclaimer of it, you also have an implied warranty or condition, BUT ONLY AS TO DEFECTS DISCOVERED DURING THE PERIOD OF THIS LIMITED WARRANTY (NINETY DAYS). AS TO ANY DEFECTS DISCOVERED AFTER THE NINETY-DAY PERIOD, THERE IS NO WARRANTY OR CONDITION OF ANY KIND. Some states/jurisdictions do not allow limitations on how long an implied warranty or condition lasts, so the above limitation may not apply to you. Any supplements or updates to the Software, including without limitation, any (if any) service packs or hot fixes provided to you after the expiration of the ninety day Limited Warranty period are not covered by any warranty or condition, express, implied or statutory.

LIMITATION ON REMEDIES; NO CONSEQUENTIAL OR OTHER DAMAGES. Your exclusive remedy for any breach of this Limited Warranty is as set forth below. Except for any refund elected by We, YOU ARE NOT ENTITLED TO ANY DAMAGES, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO CONSEQUENTIAL DAMAGES, if the Software does not meet We's Limited Warranty, and, to the maximum extent allowed by applicable law, even if any remedy fails of its essential purpose. The terms of Section 17 ("Exclusion of Incidental, Consequential and Certain Other Damages") are also incorporated into this Limited Warranty. Some states /jurisdictions do not allow the exclusion or limitation of incidental or consequential damages, so the above limitation or exclusion may not apply to you. This Limited Warranty gives you specific legal rights. You may have other rights which vary from state/jurisdiction to state/jurisdiction. YOUR EXCLUSIVE REMEDY. We's and its suppliers' entire liability and your exclusive remedy for any breach of this Limited Warranty or for any other breach of this EULA or for any other liability relating to the Software shall be, at We's option from time to time exercised subject to applicable law, (a) return of the amount paid (if any) for the Software, or (b) repair or replacement of the Software, that does not meet this Limited Warranty and that is returned to We with a copy of your receipt. You will receive the remedy elected by We without charge, except that you are responsible for any expenses you may incur (e.g. cost of shipping the Software to We). This Limited Warranty is void if failure of the Software has resulted from accident, abuse, misapplication, abnormal use or a virus. Any replacement Software will be warranted for the remainder of the original warranty period or thirty (30) days, whichever is longer, and We will use commercially reasonable efforts to provide your remedy within a commercially reasonable time of your compliance with We's warranty remedy procedures. Outside the United States or Canada, neither these remedies nor any product support services offered by We are available without proof of purchase from an authorized international source. To exercise your remedy, contact: We, Attn. We Sales Information Center/One We Way/Redmond, WA 98052-6399, or the We subsidiary serving your country.

16. DISCLAIMER OF WARRANTIES. The Limited Warranty that appears above is the only express warranty made to you and is provided in lieu of any other express warranties or similar obligations (if any) created by any advertising, documentation, packaging, or other communications. Except for the Limited Warranty and to the maximum extent permitted by applicable law, We and its suppliers provide the Software and support services (if any) AS IS AND WITH ALL FAULTS, and hereby disclaim all other warranties and conditions, whether express, implied or statutory, including, but not limited to, any (if any) implied warranties, duties or conditions of merchantability, of fitness for a particular purpose, of reliability or availability, of accuracy or completeness of responses, of results, of workmanlike effort, of lack of viruses, and of lack of negligence, all with regard to the Software, and the provision of or failure to provide support or other services, information, software, and related content through the Software or otherwise arising out of the use of the Software. ALSO, THERE IS NO WARRANTY OR CONDITION OF TITLE, QUIET ENJOYMENT, QUIET POSSESSION, CORRESPONDENCE TO DESCRIPTION OR NON-INFRINGEMENT WITH REGARD TO THE SOFTWARE.

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18. LIMITATION OF LIABILITY AND REMEDIES. Notwithstanding any damages that you might incur for any reason whatsoever (including, without limitation, all damages referenced herein and all direct or general damages in contract or anything else), the entire liability of We and any of its suppliers under any provision of this EULA and your exclusive remedy hereunder (except for any remedy of repair or replacement elected by We with respect to any breach of the Limited Warranty) shall be limited to the greater of the actual damages you incur in reasonable reliance on the Software up to the amount actually paid by you for the Software or US$5.00. The foregoing limitations, exclusions and disclaimers (including Sections 15, 16 and 17) shall apply to the maximum extent permitted by applicable law, even if any remedy fails its essential purpose.

19. U.S. GOVERNMENT LICENSE RIGHTS. All Software provided to the U.S. Government pursuant to solicitations issued on or after December 1, 1995 is provided with the commercial license rights and restrictions described elsewhere herein. All Software provided to the U.S. Government pursuant to solicitations issued prior to December 1, 1995 is provided with "Restricted Rights" as provided for in FAR, 48 CFR 52.227 -14 (JUNE 1987) or DFAR, 48 CFR 252.227-7013 (OCT 1988), as applicable.

20. APPLICABLE LAW. If you acquired this Software in the United States, this EULA is governed by the laws of the State of Washington. If you acquired this Software in Canada, unless expressly prohibited by local law, this EULA is governed by the laws in force in the Province of Ontario, Canada; and, in respect of any dispute which may arise hereunder, you consent to the jurisdiction of the federal and provincial courts sitting in Toronto, Ontario. If you acquired this Software in the European Union, Iceland, Norway, or Switzerland, then local law applies. If you acquired this Software in any other country, then local law may apply.

21. ENTIRE AGREEMENT; SEVERABILITY. This EULA (including any addendum or amendment to this EULA which is included with the Software) is the entire agreement between you and We relating to the Software and the support services (if any) and they supersede all prior or contemporaneous oral or written communications, proposals and representations with respect to the Software or any other subject matter covered by this EULA. To the extent the terms of any We policies or programs for support services conflict with the terms of this EULA, the terms of this EULA shall control. If any provision of this EULA is held to be void, invalid, unenforceable or illegal, the other provisions shall continue in full force and effect.

Si vous avez acquis votre produit We au CANADA, la garantie limitée suivante vous concerne:

GARANTIE LIMITÉE

We garantit que le Logiciel fonctionnera conformément aux documents inclus pendant une période de 90 jours suivant la date de réception. Si une garantie ou condition implicite est créée par votre État ou votre territoire et qu'une loi fédérale ou provinciale ou État en interdit le déni, vous jouissez également d'une garantie ou condition implicite, MAIS UNIQUEMENT POUR LES DÉFAUTS DÉCOUVERTS DURANT LA PÉRIODE DE LA PRÉSENTE GARANTIE LIMITÉE (QUATRE-VINGT-DIX JOURS). IL N'Y A AUCUNE GARANTIE OU CONDITION DE QUELQUE NATURE QUE CE SOIT QUANT AUX DÉFAUTS DÉCOUVERTS APRÈS CETTE PÉRIODE DE QUATRE-VINGT-DIX JOURS. Certains États ou territoires ne permettent pas de limiter la durée d'une garantie ou condition implicite de sorte que la limitation ciidessus peut ne pas s'appliquer à vous. Tous les suppléments ou toutes les mises à jour relatifs au Logiciel, notamment, les ensembles de services ou les réparations à chaud (le cas échéant) qui vous sont fournis après l'expiration de la période de quatre-vingt-dix jours de la garantie limitée ne sont pas couverts par quelque garantie ou condition que ce soit, expresse ou implicite.

LIMITATION DES RECOURS; ABSENCE DE DOMMAGES INDIRECTS OU AUTRES. Votre recours exclusif pour toute violation de la présente garantie limitée est décrit ciaprès. Sauf pour tout remboursement au choix de We, si le Logiciel ne respecte pas la garantie limitée de We et, dans la mesure maximale permise par les lois applicables, même si tout recours n'atteint pas son but essentiel, VOUS N'AVEZ DROIT À AUCUNS DOMMAGES, NOTAMMENT DES DOMMAGES INDIRECTS. Les modalités de la clause "Exclusion des dommages accessoires, indirects et de certains autres dommages" sont également intégrées à la présente garantie limitée. Certains États ou territoires ne permettent pas l'exclusion ou la limitation des dommages indirects ou accessoires de sorte que la limitation ou l'exclusion cidessus peut ne pas s'appliquer à vous. La présente garantie limitée vous donne des droits légaux spécifiques. Vous pouvez avoir d'autres droits qui peuvent varier d'un territoire ou d'un État à un autre. VOTRE RECOURS EXCLUSIF. L'obligation intégrale de We et de ses fournisseurs et votre recours exclusif seront, selon le choix de We de temps à autre sous réserve de toute loi applicable, a) le remboursement du prix payé, le cas échéant, pour le Logiciel ou b) la réparation ou le remplacement du Logiciel qui ne respecte pas la présente garantie limitée et qui est retourné à We avec une copie de votre reçu. Vous recevrez la compensation choisie par We, sans frais, sauf que vous êtes responsable des dépenses que vous pourriez engager (p. ex., les frais d'envoi du Logiciel à We). La présente garantie limitée est nulle si la défectuosité du Logiciel est causée par un accident, un usage abusif, une mauvaise application, un usage anormal ou un virus. Tout Logiciel de remplacement sera garanti pour le reste de la période de garantie initiale ou pendant trente (30) jours, selon la plus longue entre ces deux périodes. À l'extérieur des États-Unis ou du Canada, ces recours ou l'un quelconque des services de soutien technique offerts par We ne sont pas disponibles sans preuve d'achat d'une source internationale autorisée. Pour exercer votre recours, vous devez communiquer avec We et vous adresser au We Sales Information Center/One We Way/Redmond, WA 98052-6399, ou à la filiale de We de votre pays.

DÉNI DE GARANTIES. La garantie limitée mentionnée ci-dessus constitue la seule garantie expresse qui vous est donnée et remplace toutes autres garanties expresses (s'il en est) mentionnées dans un document ou sur un emballage. Sauf en ce qui a trait à la garantie limitée et dans la mesure maximale permise par les lois applicables, le Logiciel et les services de soutien technique (le cas échéant) sont fournis TELS QUELS ET AVEC TOUS LES DÉFAUTS par We et ses fournisseurs, lesquels par les présentes dénient toutes autres garanties et conditions expresses, implicites ou en vertu de la loi, notamment (le cas échéant) les garanties, devoirs ou conditions implicites de qualité marchande, d'adaptation à un usage particulier, d'exactitude ou d'exhaustivité des réponses, des résultats, des efforts déployés selon les règles de l'art, d'absence de virus et de négligence, le tout à l'égard du Logiciel et de la prestation des services de soutien technique ou de l'omission d'une telle prestation. PAR AILLEURS, IL N'Y A AUCUNE GARANTIE OU CONDITION QUANT AU TITRE DE PROPRIÉTÉ, À LA JOUISSANCE OU LA POSSESSION PAISIBLE, À LA CONCORDANCE À UNE DESCRIPTION NI QUANT À UNE ABSENCE DE CONTREFAÇON CONCERNANT LE LOGICIEL.

EXCLUSION DES DOMMAGES ACCESSOIRES, INDIRECTS ET DE CERTAINS AUTRES DOMMAGES. DANS LA MESURE MAXIMALE PERMISE PAR LES LOIS APPLICABLES, EN AUCUN CAS WE OU SES FOURNISSEURS NE SERONT RESPONSABLES DES DOMMAGES SPÉCIAUX, CONSÉCUTIFS, ACCESSOIRES OU INDIRECTS DE QUELQUE NATURE QUE CE SOIT (NOTAMMENT, LES DOMMAGES À L'ÉGARD DU MANQUE À GAGNER OU DE LA DIVULGATION DE RENSEIGNEMENTS CONFIDENTIELS OU AUTRES, DE LA PERTE D'EXPLOITATION, DE BLESSURES CORPORELLES, DE LA VIOLATION DE LA VIE PRIVÉE, DE L'OMISSION DE REMPLIR TOUT DEVOIR, Y COMPRIS D'AGIR DE BONNE FOI OU D'EXERCER UN SOIN RAISONNABLE, DE LA NÉGLIGENCE ET DE TOUTE AUTRE PERTE PÉCUNIAIRE OU AUTRE PERTE DE QUELQUE NATURE QUE CE SOIT) SE RAPPORTANT DE QUELQUE MANIÈRE QUE CE SOIT À L'UTILISATION DU LOGICIEL OU À L'INCAPACITÉ DE S'EN SERVIR, À LA PRESTATION OU À L'OMISSION D'UNE TELLE PRESTATION DE SERVICES DE SOUTIEN TECHNIQUE OU AUTREMENT AUX TERMES DE TOUTE DISPOSITION DU PRÉSENT EULA OU RELATIVEMENT À UNE TELLE DISPOSITION, MÊME EN CAS DE FAUTE, DE DÉLIT CIVIL (Y COMPRIS LA NÉGLIGENCE), DE RESPONSABILITÉ STRICTE, DE VIOLATION DE CONTRAT OU DE VIOLATION DE GARANTIE DE WE OU DE TOUT FOURNISSEUR ET MÊME SI WE OU TOUT FOURNISSEUR A ÉTÉ AVISÉ DE LA POSSIBILITÉ DE TELS DOMMAGES.

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Malgré les dommages que vous puissiez subir pour quelque motif que ce soit (notamment, tous les dommages susmentionnés et tous les dommages directs ou généraux), l'obligation intégrale de We et de l'un ou l'autre de ses fournisseurs aux termes de toute disposition du présent EULA et votre recours exclusif à l'égard de tout ce qui précède (sauf en ce qui concerne tout recours de réparation ou de remplacement choisi par We à l'égard de tout manquement à la garantie limitée) se limite au plus élevé entre les montants suivants : le montant que vous avez réellement payé pour le Logiciel ou 5,00 $US. Les limites, exclusions et dénis qui précèdent (y compris les clauses ci-dessus), s'appliquent dans la mesure maximale permise par les lois applicables, même si tout recours n'atteint pas son but essentiel. La présente Convention est régie par les lois de la province d'Ontario, Canada. Chacune des parties à la présente reconnaît irrévocablement la compétence des tribunaux de la province d'Ontario et consent à instituer tout litige qui pourrait découler de la présente auprès des tribunaux situés dans le district judiciaire de York, province d'Ontario. Au cas où vous auriez des questions concernant cette licence ou que vous désiriez vous mettre en rapport avec We pour quelque raison que ce soit, veuillez contacter la succursale We desservant votre pays, dont l'adresse est fournie dans ce produit, ou écrivez à : We Sales Information Center, One We Way, Redmond, Washington 98052-6399.

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As early as of June 1, 2004

Awesome Yuval!

Masterful use of computer savy (copy and paste).

All I need now is a highlight as to which of those words apply to our guest's complaint that there was a violation of rules in CR4. Since this EULA talks about software, of which there's none, it doesn't apply, right (unless, you consider an image or a whole post as software)?

Then again, copying something from CR4 and pasting it within CR4 can probably be argued as permissible.

I might be wrong of course, but I think (by reference of M.O) this very guest recently Post-Pasted a copy of a source-code, of an *.rtf message, I'll see my reference and use the CR4 search-engine to quote.

Just to be clear on that, I would also like to mention that:

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as a direct-reference to this very page, to those who speak Javanese.

My God!!! What have you done!!!

The least I could have done, under the circumstance, presenting itself for possible reactive association, within the constrains imposed on such reaction, by the arguably limited range of opportunities arising herewith, as submitted to your kind and hopefully thoughtful and unbiased consideration.

However, what's done is done, and unless you are quite savvy with the this whatchamacallit lever of this here time-machine, there is not much one can do about it, only maybe go back in time and disturb the fabric of time-space continuum, and what good could that do, eh?

Here, have a nice picture:

Get your God Damn cat out of your computer!!! For God sakes, man, haven't you any feeling for your computer?!

It's out of feeling for the computer, the cat is doing there, whatever.

Here, have another one:

Now that one is a keeper!