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Has Anyone Switched to Windows 10

08/20/2015 3:54 PM

Ok, my computer, currently running Win. 8.1, tells me that Windows 10 is ready to install. Before I push the "GO" button, I would like to hear from any of you that have installed it.

I have been following the reviews and have read everything from "the best thing since sliced bread" to "Microsoft will take over control of your life".

The thing is, that I am generally comfortable with Win. 8.1. My computer does what I want it to for the things that I need it to do. I don't want to start on yet another learning curve.

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08/20/2015 4:02 PM

Only the naïve have switched.

If you are comfortable with 8.1 for now: WAIT! There is always a 3 alarm fuster cluck at the initial rollout of a Windoze operating system. Give it at least 6 months for them to kill the biggest and hairiest cockroaches before switching. You have a year, why rush in where angels fear to tread?

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08/20/2015 4:20 PM

That' my feeling for now. I don't see anything that the upgrade will offer for the way I use my computer. I don't have any of the "smart" devices that need to be connected.

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08/21/2015 1:28 PM

Well, I see the trolls are out today. Everyone that said "wait, not yet..." has gotten an off-topic vote. And the child that did that, didn't even have the courage to answer those posts individually.

This actually amuses me, since what we are talking about is basically a matter of opinion. So their off-topic vote was a cowards way of saying "my opinion is better than yours". Especially seeing as how GA votes are like "Whose Line Points", they don't really matter.

But let me ask Master troll one question: Unless you were on the beta testing of Windows 10, your 'considered opinion' has a whopping 23 days of experience behind it. Where most of the posts expressing doubt about adopting Windows 10 are from members who have gone through the pain of Vista (an unmitigated disaster), and the debacle that is/was Windows 8/8.1, over a period of quite a few years. So tell me, what makes you so firmly convinced that Windows 10 is a panacea?

Please, come out from your snipers nest and enlighten us all.

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08/21/2015 1:55 PM

"Only the naive' have switched."

Well, I didn't switch because I am naive', but I did want to explore for myself what it was like. This is now my primary computer, and I have a W7 system that works fine.

I thought that maybe I could help others having issues by scouting ahead. Another thing that I have is a MSDN subscription through work, so I have several OSs available that I can download, burn to disk and install. That is what I did with W10, so my install is not the same as the "Icon upgrade".

Another thing is that it is relatively easy now to have multiple OSs on the same computer. I am planning to (as soon as I can get more SSDs) have W8.1 and CAELinux boot disks as well. AND now that I've got fast hardware, rebooting to a different OS, will be pretty darn quick.

This is not necessarily an endorsement for or against W10.

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08/21/2015 2:22 PM

No, your not naïve, but for most people making that switch, they don't have the luxury of multiple machines and operating systems sitting around. For them it is a one-way leap of faith.

Good for you 'scouting ahead'! I'm sure you will be able help quite a few people with valuable information.

As far as the troll goes, they apparently missed the fact that I didn't say "no, never, under any circumstances". My warning (and most others) was to simply wait until it is more mature.

For my own case, I work in the industrial sector (DHS branded "critical infrastructure"), so adopting W10 will be 2-3 years down the line. Not only does the operating system have to be PROVEN stable, the industrial software that rides on top of it has to be tested to destruction. I personally prefer to be "Leading edge, not bleeding edge" in the adoption of ANY new software.

My wife has W 8.1 (she hates it with a passion!), and I have promised to update her laptop to W 10 once it settles down a bit.

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08/22/2015 6:00 AM

The work environment is a different story & tends to be more cautious. Our 3D CAD supplier (AutoDesk) have advised that they do not yet support W10 & recommend W7 so we will be sticking with that for some time.

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08/25/2015 10:09 AM

Excellent post! In no way would the IS department at the company where I work allow personal downloading of company software by an individual for their own use.

We have had nothing but trouble every time Windows pushes out an update or modification to their OS and we often have to roll-back to previous versions until the "bugs" are eliminated.

We have multiple sites where there are still DOS based operating systems on the older process machines that the company cannot afford to replace but still require their operation.

Window security almost every time sees these old operating systems as a virus and isolates them from the network which shuts the systems down in that sector.

We have been upgrading on a long term plan but have a long way to go due to the size of our company holdings both here and abroad.

It seem about the time we get everything working smoothly, there is a new update or new OS pushed out by MS and we start over.

I am lucky that I deal with the field issues on the PLC and DCS side instead of the IT/IS software side.

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08/21/2015 3:46 PM

Most of the OT votes are self-selected (i.e., 5 OT).

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08/21/2015 3:58 PM

Nope, not in this case. My first post got 2 GAs, then got knocked down to 1. At the same time, a lot of other posts lost a single point (but only ones that said no to W10). Then when I "called a troll a troll", the same thing happened to that post. 2 GAs, then knocked down to 1.

But trolls will be trolls. Apparently the only fun they have in life.

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08/20/2015 4:25 PM

I have win7, works fine. years ago I had XP and foolishly accepted the "free" Vista upgrade. what a mistake. I could not get XP back. I'll need compelling arguments before I trust Microsoft free anything!

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08/20/2015 4:32 PM

All the unsolicited advertisements that have popped up on my computer due to a windows update proclaiming I get Windows 10 for free if I just click have had the opposite effect.

Just wait, it likely won't help you in any way that your current version isn't already doing. Its an operating system after all.

And nothing is free, Microsoft didn't become what it is by giving away stuff without a catch.

Let others pull their hair out, rant and wait for the patches to the big problems before you consider upgrading.

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08/20/2015 4:49 PM

It is available on both my work PC and personal laptop.

I trust Microsoft even less than the Devil herself!

The loss of control, their ability to change the rules AT ANY TIME, WITHOUT YOUR CONSENT, the mandatory "updates" all say AVOID W 10 LIKE THE PLAGUE!

I may switch my work PC over in 6 months or so. My laptop, probably never.

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08/20/2015 5:01 PM

Greg,

If your W 8.1 machine is working well.... DON"T screw with it!!! You will have to upgrade at some point, wait for the bugs to get squashed in W 10 first!

I had a Windows ME computer set up several years back and it was the BEST running computer I ever had. Even with the poor reviews and hatred for W ME, it ran great.

The only reason I upgraded that computer is the hard drive sounded like a diesel engine one day when I booted up. It still ran even with the hard drive rattling and shaking. Turns out a screw came loose and was being batted around by the read head carrier!

Wait for a possible Linux solution?

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08/20/2015 5:15 PM

I looked all over my I pad and could not find a Windows 10 switch!

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08/21/2015 12:18 PM

Lucky you!!

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08/20/2015 5:56 PM

Yes, I have. About 2 weeks ago. However, I got a complete copy, not an upgrade (that you get by clicking the icon). Three days ago, I had to do a restore point recovery. That worked fine and I have had no issues since. I think it happened right after an auto-update, so I have since made the updates go by me first!

This is a newly homemade system and I wanted to see how compatible these newer components are with W10 - and I am willing to do fixes as/if they arise. I went straight from 7 to 10, and so, my biggest issue is with FINDING STUFF!

That's all I have right now. Feel free to send me a PM at later dates and I will relate any more issues I may have experienced to that time.

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08/20/2015 6:10 PM

FINDING STUFF!

Why, oh why can't these idiots just leave the features we all use alone.It doesn't fool anyone when we have to rediscover how to spellcheck a document, why we don't have a backup any more but a whatever BS name they've given the feature that's kinda like a backup, but different.

It is maddening to those of us who just want the damn thing to work, without having to spend an hour to find out how to download pictures to our hard drive.

This is why I hate Microcrap with the white hot fury of a thousand suns!

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08/20/2015 6:35 PM

How about typing EXACTLY what you want into the Google search box, and you get "Did you mean ____"? and they give you the results for what they think you meant!!??

Yes, these software writers are an arrogant breed!

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08/21/2015 3:32 AM

That's just a spell check invoked thing that google does. Sometimes it helps sometimes it doesn't. You can disregard the suggestion and search your search verbatim as spelt.

I know what you mean though, I often marvel nervously when the google search bar comes up with a list of suggestions to save typing even when what you're looking for is not common.......there be strong magic there.

Then there are the banner adds that are sometimes very tailored to me. Actually useful sometimes as there's an engine doing research for you in the background for free......but every key stroke gives away a little of yourself. I feel both violated and loved.

XP in it's last updated condition is what I run. No updates needed anyway, just cranks away.

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08/21/2015 10:29 AM

As Wal indicates, that has nothing to do with Microsoft. I get the same message every once in a while on my Mac, and more often than not, their suggestion is indeed what I intended to type. In those cases where I did type correctly, but it is an unusual word or phrase, there is always a place to confirm the text.

Since it is free, and there are both free and inexpensive ways of running Windows on current Macs, I've been tempted to install W10 on my Mac, but I'm very concerned about them tracking my every move, filing most of my scree with ads, and of course being vulnerable to Windows malware.

I'll let others be the guinea pigs, for at least 6 months, if ever.

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08/21/2015 11:44 AM

Wal and dkwarner,

Are you sure Google has nothing to do with MS?

I know what you mean though. I was in the mode of griping about "irritating computing behavior".

I talked with a friend of mine today about W10. He has given me some pointers about how to make 10 easier to use. I'll check it out on my machine when i get home and hopefully have some more to add here.

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08/21/2015 1:37 PM

In my opinion, Google, or anybody else, should never ask a question without also making provision for accepting and acting on an answer.

Did you mean ______? If yes, then the guessing prediction algorithm is working as the programmer's model predicts. If no, then the programmer needs feedback in order to improve/refine the algorithm or the search.

Performing the search on the assumed keyword, and asking afterwards if that was the intended keyword does not, 100% of the time, help the searcher, the programmer, or the advertiser who is paying for all of this. (Why should a moccasin maker pay for my macaroni search just because I can't spell macaroni?)

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08/21/2015 2:11 PM

I totally agree with your first statement.

However, I just did a search:

As you can see, the algorithm worked perfectly, and the response did provide a means of continuing the search as typed.

Virtually nothing dealing with words is, or can be, 100% accurate. I frequently do searches with words in other languages, and the search engine usually has no way to determine whether I'm searching for something in a different language, or just didn't spell the similar word the way it is spelled in English.

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08/21/2015 3:25 PM

Well, either I wasn't paying as close attention to Google as I thought I was, or they improved their methods.

Probably I wasn't paying attention. I have empirical evidence of that.

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08/21/2015 3:36 PM

"Probably I wasn't paying attention."
Not necessarily. They like to keep changing things!

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08/22/2015 5:57 AM

We won't go into the whole American/English spelling debate.

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08/20/2015 7:33 PM

My wife just upgraded to WIN 10 and so far we have not had any major issues.

However; Unless there is a sudden change in plans, Windows 10 is Microsoft's first step to total PC control.

Read the fine print before you sign up as it clearly requires your permission for Microsoft to track you every move and keystroke, extract any or all of your personal information, and do what they wish with it without your right to legal recourse.

Their future vision is to have all personal information and major software packages resident on a "CLOUD" server with all PC's becoming "dumb" terminals running a minimum of software OS and requiring purchase of a "seat" in order to use any software packages resident in the "CLOUD".

All software developers will also have to cough up a monthly fee to Microsoft.

This allows total control of who has access, what they have access to, and when it can be accessed.

It will also allow them to meet all CIA, NSA, and FBI E-Communications security access and use requirements.

Each PC user would literally rent their computer and pay a monthly fee to access the Operating System as well as any other licensed software packages.

Their stated reasoning for going to this type of system is to stop illegal piracy of software and to stop hacking.

Hopefully someone with enough power to head this off will get involved and stop it before it is too late.

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08/20/2015 7:48 PM

It's already too late.

You are right but, it's even worse.

You won't "own" any operating systems ever again. You will only rent them. Quit paying the rent and poof, goodbye to all data on the cloud "server" which is really a ransom site.

Adobe and Microsoft are already there.

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08/22/2015 9:17 AM

Their stated reasoning for going to this type of system is to stop illegal piracy of software and to stop hacking.
Total BS!

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08/25/2015 9:55 AM

I agree!

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08/22/2015 10:09 AM

It sounds like, if all the apps are stored on the cloud, the computer would become useless any time you are away from an internet connection, or if any link in the connection fails. As someone else said, your computer would become nothing more than a terminal. That would be ridiculous!

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08/22/2015 11:11 AM

Ridiculous? Yes.

Reality? Very soon.

Try to buy Windows 365.

You get the privilege of renting it.

$69.99

$6.99

  • 1 year subscription
  • For 1 PC or Mac, 1 tablet including iPad, Android, or Windows, plus 1 phone
  • Full, installed versions of Word, Excel, PowerPoint, Outlook, OneNote, and more
  • 60 Skype minutes per month and 1TB cloud storage
  • Ongoing access to updates

Same with Adobe software. Rent it, cause you can't buy it.

Operating systems that you rent are next. You can take it to the bank.

Like I said, you'll have a cable coming out of your wall/router that goes to a box with a steel plate in it to give you the impression that there's something in it. That will be connected wirelessly to your mouse or display.

Everything will be on the cloud and if you don't pay the monthly fees, your box quits working.

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08/20/2015 8:24 PM

I am curious about the sliced bread-best things.

It is quite a good performance, faster than 8.1, though I do not know yet what is in the backdoor package could be.

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"the best thing since sliced bread" is an American idiom referring to the introduction of pre-sliced, packaged bread loaves by bakeries some 100 years ago. There are some that consider this as one of the great technological advances in western civilization

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I can slice my own bread, as long as I get to use my own knife and not a rented one.

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Does anyone use an elec tric knife for slicing bread?

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08/21/2015 12:17 AM

Well, some. But if you want thin slices for crostini versus thick slices for French dip sandwiches, it's nice to slice your own. I like whole loaves.

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08/20/2015 8:52 PM

I let someone else dive in first, in case the water's only 6 inches deep!

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08/20/2015 9:37 PM

That's why I am asking. Unless someone can give me a good reason, based on their own experience, why I should make the change; I will follow the philosophy of "if it ain't broke, don't fix it"

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Re: Has Anyone Switched to Windows 10

08/20/2015 10:55 PM

Had this conversation with my sister tonight, Greg. She, my sister-in-law (the California based computer wizz, as opposed to me. I'm the one in Virginia) and everyone any of us advise in the family are waiting for it .... maybe next year, if ever.

I'm inclined right now to wait till MS won't support my 64-bit W7 any longer, and then move wholeheartedly to Linux, again. I've had both, and only changed back to Win Products when I needed to be able to allow more than myself to use my WinLaptop machine. But now that is it only me, again, I'm seriously thinking the next major move will be delayed a LLOOOONNNGGGGG time, and then, assuming I'm still alive and the machine is still running, I'll take it back to Linus.

I have a VERY powerful tower that I built a few years back with a friend's help (well, powerful then. Just a lot bigger, faster, and better than my laptop, now!) which I might just switch over to permanently then, anyway.

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Re: Has Anyone Switched to Windows 10

08/21/2015 2:47 AM

Don't be silly...

There is no water at all... it just a mirage

So it summarize from all the answers it's a...

NO!

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08/21/2015 12:12 AM

I wish I had asked before switching over. I live in a small town in Victoria Australia and only know my neighbour and the post mans wife and myself switched over to 10. Advice from this site helped me recover my 7. The same advice was passed to the post mans wife and she recovered her 8.1. The neighbour says its a wonderful thing and he doesn't care about Microsoft having access to all his files. (Incidentally his Outlook e mails no longer works) In our cases we simply did not think it right that we lost control of our files, had to learn a new system when the one we had was perfectly adequate for our needs and we could see the danger lying down the road of a corporate power grab. I am afraid we might be too late to avoid the future that large corporations have planed for us. Those who understand need no explanation. if you do need one you will understand one day. My advice, stay away from computers all together. Since that is impossible now, stay away from Windows 10!

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08/21/2015 3:36 AM

Maybe tablet-friendly at best, but otherwise user-hostile. It probably won't take you long to find this out.

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08/21/2015 4:32 AM

I installed W10 on my laptop from W7 & on my desktop from W8.1. Both upgrades were painless & quick & even fixed a WiFi printer connection problem on my laptop. The GUI is not that different to win XP or 7 once you turn off all the unnecessary icons. As a back up I intend to install Linux on my old PC that currently has XP to see how I get on with that.

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08/21/2015 5:02 AM

The only thing that prevents me from 'upgrading' to Win 10 from Win 8.1. (which I hate with a vengeance!) is that the words 'frying pan' and 'fire' keep coming to mind.

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08/21/2015 8:07 AM

I had no problem with 8.1 once I had installed Classic Shell which gets rid of the 8.1 start menu & gives yo an XP/Win7 interface.

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08/21/2015 11:30 AM

I might try that, thanks.

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Re: Has Anyone Switched to Windows 10

08/21/2015 7:57 AM

Just a tip for anyone tired of MS bullsh+t ...check out the user supported unix based UBUNTU operating system...and all the user supported software included. The GUI is very similar to window gui and the switch is pretty seamless, only required change for me was upgrading to the required 2 gigs memory. And for those who prefer not to be 'tracked', check out TOR(the onion router).

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08/21/2015 8:08 AM

This might be a little off-topic, but my daughter has been hounding me for a new computer. Her old one is an antique that's probably not worth fixing. She's a very good musician (piano, guitar, trumpet, harmonica...) and now she is on a composing kick. I guess there's some good composing software available.

Any suggestions? Will she be forced to get Windows 10? I have never tried a Mac, but other people seem to like them. Any comments would be welcome. I trust the opinions on this site more than the sales guys at Best Buy or Walmart.

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08/21/2015 9:05 AM

A quick look at the Dell site in the UK shows their laptops offered with Win 7 & 8.1 or Linux. No sign of Win10.

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08/21/2015 11:32 AM

Thank you!

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08/21/2015 9:07 AM

Sibelius are probably the best, with a good selection of price/feature levels. I used to use Finale software some years ago and it worked well.

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08/21/2015 11:22 AM

Thank you!

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08/21/2015 11:16 AM

As a Mac-user, I use 'Logic Pro X' for music and 'Final Cut Pro X' for video - I have yet to find any limits with either.

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08/21/2015 11:21 AM

Thank you!

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08/21/2015 3:22 PM

Sibelius and Finale are the top names in composing software. You can't go wrong with either one. Both have versions for Windows or Mac. I use Finale on Windows 7 right now. I won't upgrade to W 10 until after a lot of time has passed, as mentioned above, and I have confirmed that Finale will work on W 10.

Both Finale and Sibelius are professional grade programs, meaning be prepared to spend some money. I first learned Finale in college, using it on Macs in a computer lab. As a student, I could get a seriously discounted, but still full featured, edition to work with on my Windows based computer at home, and the files were compatible on either machine. My costs since then have been for upgrades, each of which has been less than the cost of the student edition. The upgrades come out every 2 to 3 years.

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08/21/2015 7:07 PM

Thank you! Your insight is most helpful! I will pass this information on to my daughter, who has been doing her own research as well. She has assured me that it will be a great investment!

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08/23/2015 5:33 AM

There are some PC based programs, however the composition/recording software is mostly Mac based. The music industry seems locked onto the apple mac architecture/paradigm. I have a friend who uses a thing called Protools, there are others.

All of them have their own peculiar way of doing things. My friend gets right grumpy when a client tries to impose a new program on him

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08/21/2015 8:47 AM

What happens to Microsoft's Guinea Pigs:

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08/21/2015 9:45 AM

I did the upgrade two weeks ago, have not been disappointed, I upgraded from Win 7 to 10. so far no major issues, and I have not even had to install new drivers for anything as of yet.

I am surprised just how easy and streamlessly the install went. took about 45 minutes for the install process to run on my computer.

so far no major issues. all my programs told me they were win10 compatible before I installed.

The only issue I had was my printer driver install went haywire, but that was relatively easily fixed.

So far it's just windows 7 with a bigger start menu, new internet browser, and integrated windows store.

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08/21/2015 10:28 PM

Hi jpacooney,

Thanks for your contribution and welcome to CR4. Here's your first GA!

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08/22/2015 12:41 PM

"So far it's just windows 7 with a bigger start menu, new internet browser, and integrated windows store."

Why would you want any of those 3 things? I don't trust IE, so I use Google Chrome. I want nothing to do with an integrated store.

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Re: Has Anyone Switched to Windows 10

08/21/2015 10:00 AM

I made the switch a couple of weeks ago and I couldn't be happier. Very solid version, great features. I wasn't an 8.1 fan, but I really like 10. Hope that helps.

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Re: Has Anyone Switched to Windows 10

08/21/2015 10:49 AM

Dear Mr.gringogerg,

I have switched over to Windows 10. The working with Windows 10 is good. Has many features.

Our Professor has taught us - any new items, we should keep updating, or else we will be washed away by changing times. The present members who are aged 70+ if they have not learnt computer and updating themselves with changing times, they could have missed not acquired so much knowledge. I know a retired Professor in our college aged 82, passed Engineering during 1954-55, has updated much more than what I have up-dated.

To-days world, majority of individuals has mail Id., a Chief Chemist aged above 65, learnt computer about 6 months back, and to-day he can mail without anybody's help, and does not depend on anybody.

Hence I suggest you up-date to Windows 10.

The above is my personal opinion. Perhaps other members hae a different view.

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08/21/2015 10:49 AM

I have it running on my old Win 7 Lenovo tower, my older Fujitsu Win 7 tablet computer, it is on my Surface 3 and both mine and the wife's Phones. So far I have had no problems with it. My wife is still adjusting to the new GUI as she was more Win7 based than I. This is to be expected since change usually unsettles those who are comfortable in there routines. (I was a therapist for years so I understand this problem all too well) Me, personally have a hard time spending money for something "NEW" that looks and works just like what I have. Kind of defeats the purpose. However MS learned the hard way from the Win8 experience that entrenched behavior is hard to beat.

All of my devices upgraded without a hitch although the Fujitsu did require I add a registry entry to get it to boot. (do not attempt unless you are familiar with altering Windows registry files) After that it went smoothly. Everything is now synced across all devices and we are having a blast with Cortana. (That's a whole different discussion. LOL)

All of my 3rd party software and peripherals are working as expected. All of my computers are booting faster and running faster.

I was part of the "insider" testing process. During the ramp up to rollout we discussed some of the obstacles ahead and it was unanimous that the biggest hurdle would be the older users who have older, less capable machines running Win 7 and older 3rd party software and peripherals. The two main issues are the users are comfortable and resistant to change, and as these machines were used over the years, many registry entries have been added that will cause the newer, more streamlined code to balk and cause faults. Some programs and peripherals will not work without new code or drivers that's just the way it is in the tech world. MS has established a very large group of troubleshooters and invested a sizable amount of resources to help address these as best they can, but a lot of this type of support will need to come from the manufacturers of those peripherals and programs.

All that being said, Unless you have some treasured 10 year old programs or games or equipment you can't live without, are deathly afraid of Microsoft, or simply have trouble adjusting to "new" give it a shot. The process will save all of your settings and files and within the first thirty days offer you a one click restore option that is like a timemachine that can transport you back to what ever year you and your system are stuck in. LOL

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Re: Has Anyone Switched to Windows 10

08/21/2015 12:16 PM

The best advice is don't, at least not yet. Maybe in 24 months time.....

The "free"(!!!!) version will not get any updates after July 2016 unless you pay.

The version you get is the most basic, no matter what version of Win 7 or 8.x you have already.

You cannot go back to your old version, even if you don't like Win10.

You previous Windows cannot ever be used again for ANY reason whatsoever, or sold or even given away.

That's just a few of the "Bugs".....

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08/21/2015 12:48 PM

Thank you, Andy. Those are the kinds of behavior I expect from MS.

It is true, that, as stated earlier in the thread, MS is in business to make money, not to give anything away for free. But it had not occurred to me till several of you mentioned it, that my 64-bit W7 is bought and paid for commercial full-up, because of a college course I took several years ago, which came with this version of W7.

Going backward to cripple-ware would be just the kind of stupid move MS would love to trap me into.

I'll stay on this hand, thanks. And I'm taking my part of the pot and going home before the next deal.

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08/21/2015 1:26 PM

Last I checked Andy, a complete wipe of your hard drive will allow you to install any OS your little heart desires. So no, you are not stuck with anything. You can reboot your system to Linux, OS10, Unix or even DOS Win 1 for all anyone cares.

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08/22/2015 12:35 PM

Andy, you just disagreed with #39: "You cannot go back to your old version, even if you don't like Win10."

Why should I believe you over an "insider tester"?

The popup I get says "limited time offer" but doesn't give a time limit. I doubt that it will be there 24 months from now.

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08/21/2015 1:34 PM

I made the jump this week - from XP. based on we need, no matter how old, to embrace the future. Like most changes in life, there's good and bad. Short answer - if it ain't broke... don't fix it. (I would stay with 8 and upgrade near the end of the offer. imo) You can always spot the pioneers - they have the arrows in their backs...

Long answer - W10 has a lot of attractive user benefits. Free flowing (quicker) and they have obviously put some thought into how they think "we" should use it. The down side to this is.. they think they know best!

For example, scrolling really annoys me - so what have they done to the start button?
Instead of the simple pop up app. list, of XP etc, it now open up a scrolling menu which continually annoys, and takes far longer to use, compared to the old pop-up list.
I now drag the apps needed from the start menu - to make an icon on the desk top. Which makes the start button superfluous. (for me anyway.)

Many simple actions, which were done in seconds on XP, now take ages to complete.
Such as restore points. I am still looking for an easy way to make and use them on W10.

If I can come to terms with it, i.e. accentuate the positives and get around the negatives, given time (5 years?) I MAY be able to recommend it. (for what my vote is worth.) But.. it has a long way to go to convince me, as Homer would say, ..so far.

I have (seriously) thought of re-installing XP (chicken that I am) and only belief in the progress of mankind stops me. The jury's out here MS. Good try, but cigars..? We'll see.

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08/25/2015 3:40 PM

Hi All, My comments seem a bit hard on MS - after a couple of learning days.

While still not over the moon about it, it does get better as one understands it.
There remain personal niggles, but others may just as well like them!

Only time will tell if MS has any traps in mind for the monkey(s) but that's likely too
cynical and unfair. Maybe free is a magnanimous atonement for previous versions?

All in, now, I think it tips the scales for a free upgrade and would/do so advise the op.
That is, comment should be fair either way, and the scale has tipped, for me at least.

Hope this helps. jt.

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08/25/2015 5:51 PM

This, "after a couple of learning days.

While still not over the moon about it, it does get better as one understands it." is the jist of my hatred for Microcrap.

Why should we, as paying customers, be forced to relearn an operating system every time a new one is FORCED upon us?

I'd like for anyone to tell me why it is always a days long learning experience with many un-needed setbacks and frustrations instead of just a better, faster system.

As pointed out, corporations spend millions of dollars buying new software, millions more to de-bug it and still lose millions more in lost productivity every time the thieves at MS bend us over and sell us a better system.

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08/26/2015 8:06 AM

I totally agree and I am very sympathetic with your argument Lyn.
(having spent serious time and much frustration with the many versions from MS)
However, we have to live with what we chose to buy. No one forced us, and
if we persist in buying, one after another, "faulty" product whose fault is it really?

Yes, as engineers the product should be far far better. And after 20 years faultless!?
But it isn't - which is the essence of their failure to us. (and I suspect the reason
for this free issue.) Let's take advantage of a freebie while we may? Or:

Simply we should vote with our feet. But we don't? Why not? I venture to suggest
it's a combination of reasons. We get a sense of achievement "mastering it." Find it
useful when it works. Pride in having the "latest" variation, etc.. and not least, have
a sense of "doing" something (with it) - which might not be greatly productive, but
not that hard a job to do, either. Simply an occupying "toy" that we can describe as
necessary, with some real life justification. (and enjoyable for the masochistic.?)

I liken it to the appeal of cigarette/alcohol addiction, with very similar down sides.
The killer addiction though, is that it can actually be useful - literally a "killer" app.

I have to do some work now so will stop procrastinating (pretending I'm actually achieving
anything by describing the praise of MS) until my next frustrating time, when yet again,
for the 1000th time, it fails to work and... I could cheerfully strangle them.

It's a difficult choice - love them (product) or leave them.

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08/26/2015 10:01 AM

"Yes, as engineers the product should be far far better. And after 20 years faultless!?"

If it never evolves, sure. Don't get me wrong, not defending MS... their last good OS was XP, and before that... DOS 5.0.

But companies that provide services used almost everywhere have to keep innovating to maintain the lead position. What was the H. Ford quote... "If I had asked people what they wanted, they would have asked for a faster horse." In tech, the saying is - "people don't know what they want until we give it to them." If they took any other approach, they would become reactionary rather than pushing innovation and functionality.

Take the GM Ignition Switch issue, how many years have automobile OEMs been designing ignition switches? If ignition switches had no need to evolve over the past 100 years, there would be no need to redesign them... only refine them. But with redesigns there is a chance for an error or fault in the new design.

Back to MS - I think what their doing is they are banking on the desire for people to actual own less and declutter. Look at the music industry... actual sales, even in digital format are falling as many are switching to renting a streaming services. All they own is the hardware, everything else is rented.

But, I think there is going to be substantial pushback on the OS/Data file aspect... it's a different beast. I don't want my work out on the cloud, and depending on what I'm working on, I don't even want my computer 'connected'. Or maybe I want to go to the cabin to finish the book... no utilities or connectivity available even if I wanted to... just a diesel generator providing power.

Now take TS-based activities... military applications, skunk works, etc... they operate in a sequestered environment as well, or very tightly controlled - I'm sure they are going to negotiate their own TOS with MS... one would hope anyway.

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Back in the early days, when Windows was first placed on top of the DOS, one of MS's selling points was that once you learned something, you would never have to relearn it. Know how to open a file in one Windows program, you know how to open them in all Windows programs.

Except, now that means, at best, only locally in one particular flavor of Windows. Knowing how to accomplish a task in 7 doesn't mean you know how to do that in 8 or 10.

And "upgraded" programs aren't necessarily useful. I used to be a wiz at macros and visual basic in Excel, but now I find it frustrating. I now use Minitab for things I used to do in Excel, but only because I'm lucky enough to work for a company that pays for the Minitab license.

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Come on you grumpy old sods stop whining and get installing. Windows 10 is new, quicker, safer and free. It makes me smile when people say they don't like changes, don't want to learn new ways and then say they are about to install Linux which is a massively new learning curve. So come on stop this " I hate Microsoft" rubbish and get with it.

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Not only do I hate Microsoft with the white hot fury of a thousand suns, but I also have a heavy dislike for any arrogant, upstart newcomer who comes here and insults long time members, who have made numerous worthwhile contributions to the forum, over some thing about which he knows nothing.

Not willing to debate with you but "safer" and "free" are terms which should NEVER be used to describe Microsoft products.

They're junk out of the box, and only temporarily free.

Now, you get with it, and learn some manners.

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You go Lyn................

Show that little whipper snapper some manners!!!!

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Ward is always a bit rough on the Beaver.

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Wow! your Kung-fu is very strong indeed Masta-fella!I felt the effect on both knees and sphincter...and an ocean separates us!

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Windows 10 is new, quicker, safer and free
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This is my first post, though I have been registered here for awhile. I believe that I have benefited more from this website than I do from any other source of information available to me today. That being said....I updated to Win 10 a couple weeks ago and immediately regretted it. The upgrade appeared to go just fine, but......I could not log on to my computer for 11 days. It wouldn't accept my password nor would it accept my fingerprint on the scanner. I eventually figured out how to dump it and reload Win 7. And I did something I don't normally do....I took the time to sit down and actually read the 'terms and acceptance' info. As some of you have pointed out, what you are signing off on is pretty much any and all rights you may have regarding the use of Win 10. It's probably not a bad system as far as the basics are concerned, but MS is no better than the NSA when they are forcing you to put all of your info/data in the cloud, considering all the security breaches that have been in the news lately.

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If this is your first post, someone else has been using your PC and CR4 account.

I agree with everything you say.

One has to wonder just how much money Bill Gates is trying to squeeze out of the consuming public.

With W10, he now has access to every user's bank account and passwords, and every internet site they have ever visited.

I'll suffer with W8.1 till I can't stand it any more.

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The Ubuntu GUI/unix is very similar to windows and really requires NOTHING NEW and is quicker, safer and FREE....you can be up and running in 30 minutes. From a 'user' standpoint, much simpler. From a 'programmers' standpoint....well documented, well supported, nothing hidden from the programmer.

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08/21/2015 4:20 PM

To tell you the truth, for an operating system, Microsoft has pretty much bullied their way into every sector.

Here is the upgrade path I have taken:

  • MS DOS 3.0
  • MS DOS 3.1
  • MS DOS 5.0
  • MS DOS 6.0
  • MS Windows 2.0
  • MS Windows 3.0
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  • MS Windows 98
  • MS Windows 98 SE
  • MS Windows 2000
  • MS Windows ME
  • MS Windows XP
  • MS Windows Server 2003
  • MS Windows Vista
  • MS Windows 7.0

Now that I look at all the MS OS versions I have dealt with, it kind of make me sick.

Look at all the money I handed over to MS from 1990 'til now!

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You have to remember that the capabilities of the hardware and the internet have accelerated faster than the operating systems that controlled them during this same period. I don't think they have "bullied" there way, they have just done a good job of taking advantage of the advancements in hardware capability.

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I disagree that the capabilities of the hardware and the internet have accelerated faster than the operating systems.

Microsoft has manipulated their position as a proprietary software supplier into a mega monopoly.

They have bullied their way into many markets by locking customers into their OS and then demanding that they "upgrade" to the "better" OS which is not really any better, just re-shuffled and more complicated giving the appearance of being "upgraded".

MS word is a fine example. You can no longer "buy" a copy of the latest Word. You rent it now.

Speed and memory is easy enough to increase without hiding popular features in the guise of an upgrade.

So, back to W10. Sure, it's free now, but just wait. The thieves at MS are free to change the terms of service AT ANY TIME, WITHOUT YOUR PERMISSION.

They can "update" you at any time, so they can simply change the ToS so that new updates will switch you from free service to a monthly subscription service.

Don't pay the fee, no Windows.................................

"Never happen", you say? Do you trust Bill's gang? I don't.

In another 5 years all operating systems and software will be rented and resident in the cloud. All you'll have on your desk is a terminal box, keyboard and monitor.

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Well said Lyn , I believe that is where they have been pushing us for a long time. Mac or Linux are the only other games in town that can provide an OS that is for the layman but Linux is going to be like learning Windows all over again.

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Bit off-topic, but has anyone tried the Chromium OS? Opinions?

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You mean from Google? Yeah, it's a web browser hijacki functioning as your operating system, and totally operating in [ "the cloud", <said with an inviting, confident, airy voice> ].

I don't know about anyone else, but I want palpable control of all my virtual material, no matter how appealing it sounds.

No, I haven't, and no, I won't. Google is just another Microsoft in the 90s.

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I tried, but wasn't

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If there is one thing I have learned from working with computers for 20+ years, Nothin brings out the haters like Microsoft. Which I find totally hilarious. Do people really think they would even have a computer in their home let alone an internet or a web board without the good folks at Microsoft?

I hardly consider them thieves when you consider the immense good and world wide benefit that personal computing has produced and continues to produce. All of which is the direct result of the revolution that MS and Windows created. The market very quickly chose Windows over many other competitors for the operating system (and still does to this day) that would become the world standard. Microsoft simply produced a better, more usable product and the world voted with their wallets.

Another thing I find hilarious are those who would bash MS on privacy and selling personal info while using Google. But that's another story.

I am enjoying Windows 10 and recommend it to all who are interested. When I buy a new car I do not expect it to look like my old one or be the same as the one I have. I expect and anticipate I will have some new capabilities and some learning to do, and a better machine which is why I buy a new car.

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