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03/11/2020 4:39 AM

This physician seems to have good info, but I listened for a while for treatments without hearing anything about that. If it is in there, at what time?

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03/11/2020 6:02 AM

SE, did a good job of finding this... kudos to you SE

First off, the video did a good job of explaining what is happening, that's probably what you only listened to, you need to listen/watch through the whole video, that's what SE posted and what the whole video is there for.

The treatment is actually a procedural of treatments that compliment each other for more effect usage. No magic pill, or silver bullet but a compliment of treatments that starts at 5:30 there's 3 of them... well 4 actual. But it's pretty cool and informative stuff. I'll go through it, but I recommend seeing the whole video.

the treatment is,

1.) being ventilated differently (than the Norm), and that is with low tidal volume?. They've known about it since 2000 for treatment, this is very uncomfortable ... so

2.) they basically paralyze the patient for ventilation for reasons given above AND the patient reaction to the ventilation.

3.) and Prone postitioning of the patients 17-18 hours a day.

and the biggest help is, like a lot of ailments, is catching it and treating it early,

Another interesting thing, if you watch the video,... these procedures for more effective treatments have all been published individually 5 to 20 years ago.

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03/11/2020 9:57 AM

Phoenix, you are talking about the last video on another thread....this is new as of yesterday....they have a drug that works...

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03/11/2020 10:42 AM

My apologizes and thanks, I must have had two sessions open. I’m watching the vid now.

should have a huge positive effect over all... one being the markets.

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03/12/2020 12:41 AM

Maybe I missed something, but I didn't see or hear anything in this video about 1) different ventilation, 2) paralyzing the patient, or 3) prone positioning.

What in the hell are you talking about? (Not only that, the cure sounds as bad as the disease. )

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03/12/2020 2:06 AM

I wonder why someone thought that was off topic. (Actually, I only sort of wonder, having encountered such nonsense before.)

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03/18/2020 5:15 PM

You don’t know, period. but if you stop pouting I’ll cancel the OT with a GA, just say the word, but you do have to stop pouting...

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03/12/2020 7:30 PM

As a Crawley boy and they are my home town music superstars I am obliged to point out that ...

The Cure sound wayyyyyyy better than the disease

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F7uMOhOJVj0

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03/12/2020 1:38 PM

He stated that:

chloroquine diphosphate is the Zinc ionospore which gets zinc inside the cell.

if I caught it correctly: Lopinavir 400mg/ ritonavir 100mg (Kaletra two tablets, twice a day). or Chloroquine 500mg orally/day-Koreans (Chinese use twice a day).

in Korea Chloroquine was not available so they used Hydroxychloroquine 400mg orally/day.

also stated that cannot use both as it will interact with the qt interval.

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03/12/2020 3:44 PM

Thanks. Yesterday I watched the video clear through. I like your synopsis.

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03/11/2020 9:44 AM

You can start at 6:00 if you want, but the whole video is necessary to understand how it works....The long and short of it is they have a treatment that stops the virus and it's already being used, and it works....

Well it turns out that zinc can stop the virus....the problem is getting it through the intracellular wall...to get thru the wall takes an Ionophore, it enables the zinc to get through the cellular wall, and fortunately we have one already that has been used to treat malaria, so this will be a repurposed drug that has already been determined to be safe, it's called Chloroquine Diphosphate, and is readily available...It has already been used in South Korea and that is why the death toll is so low it seems, like a magnitude lower...It's not under patent and is very cheap...++

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03/12/2020 7:55 PM

A large part of comparatively low death toll here in Korea is the magnitude of testing

https://www.cdc.go.kr/board.es?mid=a30402000000&bid=0030

The Korean CDC is very open and with all info in English. Population of the US is about 6.5 times that of Korea

The biggest impact of the testing (equivalent to >1,500,000 in US) is that they pick up a lot more of the minor infections significantly increasing the denominator in the death ratio.

While the current death rate is 0.84% of infections notes that 95% of confirmed cases are still in isolation. That number is only going to go up. The number of new cases is falling and the big bump of cases from end Feb /Start Mar are working through the system. There are a lot of poor old people in Korea who are likely to be vulnerable although as they all grew up through the War years and the decade after when Korea was impoverished they tend to be very tough.

The infection rate seems to be 3.6% (excluding the untested numbers)

However like in China it is largely confined to one outbreak

The Sincheonji church is in Daegu 72.5% of cases

They held a funeral at a hospital (very common in Korea) it is a separate wing but it is still a bit odd for foreigners in the adjacent province of Gyeong-buk which has 13.3% of cases

If you add in the cases in other places also associated with this "church" you get to nearly 90%

Generally Koreans have been very civic minded. There has been no mass panic buying, nor has there been a mass exodus from Daegu

The key take away for me is as always, knowledge is power. You need to know where the problem is and isolate it. This can only be done with far more testing.

I return to the UK in a couple of weeks and am far more concerned about how the UK is dealing with this than I am in Korea

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03/19/2020 6:06 AM

IMHO I think that ALL big businesses,including the pharmaceuticals and medical, are psychopaths. I doubt that we will see the use of these remedies in the USA anytime soon.

However,this is not meant to disparage the doctors themselves.

I hold them in high regard.

It take a lot of dedication and focus to become a doctor;many sleepless days and nights and 24 hour shifts,dealing with the diseases,accidents and horrible afflictions of mankind.

Most are kind,empathetic,angelic doctors out there,and I praise them,but the organizations themselves are the culprits,IMHO.

It will probably take at least 18 months before this treatment is approved in the USA.

The main reason is "It's not under patent and is very cheap",so they will delay as long as possible,jumping through hoops,(double blind studies,animal trials,etc,etc) putting on a show,taking many months before they allow any such treatment,and finding a way to maximize profit from the commonly used drug.

If aspirin were a new drug,it would be prescription only,and cost $10 a pill.

Doctors may prescribe any approved drug for off schedule use,but run the risk of liability if any adverse reactions occur.

I realize that testing is necessary before releasing a new drug,but with overwhelming empirical evidence of it's efficacy it should be used without delay in such an emergency as is occurring now.

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03/21/2020 5:45 PM

I agree with your assessment with the drug companies, with their lobbyists and associated politicians all dragging their feet so as to position themselves financially when they do allow it.

If that is what is going on, I wouldn't count Trump out to do something about it.

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...."Chloroquine is a cheap and a safe drug that has been used for more than 70 years and, therefore, it is potentially clinically applicable against the 2019-nCoV.

Our findings reveal that remdesivir and chloroquine are highly effective in the control of 2019-nCoV infection in vitro. Since these compounds have been used in human patients with a safety track record and shown to be effective against various ailments, we suggest that they should be assessed in human patients suffering from the novel coronavirus disease."...

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Gilead is desperate to find a use for remdesivir it's failed ebola drug, and seems to be giving it away in hopes of finding some efficacy against covid19...at a projected cost of around $1000. a shot, I hope they give patients a choice...There is no evidence it works at all....chloroquine has been used successfully it seems and is off-patent, so much cheaper....

https://www.biopharmadive.com/news/coronavirus-remdesivir-gilead-antiviral-drug-covid-19/573261/

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03/11/2020 11:13 PM

It probably depends which drug company bribes the most senators / president.

I can't confirm but part of the problem with testing in the US was reported that a domestic test by a company with connections to 45 (how tenuous wasn't made clear) and initially the test didn't work and then it was only slowly available.

When Korea realized how big the Shincheonji problem was they ramped up testing massively still at 12,000 tests per day over 200,000 tests conducted.

The US (and my home of UK) don't know the scale of their problem and are walking blind into a disaster.

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03/13/2020 9:07 PM

They are ramping up testing as we speak...

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03/13/2020 9:50 PM

Better late than never, but even better never late.

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03/13/2020 10:18 PM

How are they late, it's just started, and it's a new thing...I think they are reacting quickly, and in a big way...

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Baloney.

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Obviously you didn't watch the video...

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Anybody who believes anything whatsoever from that individual should be considered criminally gullible.

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The only one preaching hate here is you...that is crystal clear to anybody...

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Better hater than traitor.

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The Week, Really?

through Yahoo News...

You should nudge yourself a little more and quote from ‘Occupy Democrats’ or is that coming?

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No its old. That's bad side of technological advancement when use in destruction.

I bet NWO starts to abolish money, replace it with some one world crypto-currency.

The virus is the only one thing all human kind will unite. If this will be the long term pandemic, then couple of moments to go may be 6 months or so til there'll be civil unrest. People will not be able to support basic needs, losing hours of work due to fear of infection. Crimes will flourish. Rebellion will turn to the government. Anarchy.

Rich man will be robbed. It's like mad max thing.

Every businesses will be devastated, chaos every where. People without money will be hopelessly killing for survival, for food, for medicine.

Could be the time of the Anti-Christ, when all else fail, someone whos got mony and power will dominate to settle the unrest.

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I would like to see a trial on seeing how low they can get the dosage and still be effective for chloroquine...the 500mg dosage was established for treating malaria which I think is more for parasites in the blood....a lower dosage might work for covid19 and lower the risk of side effects or at least the severity....there might not be any need for such a massive dose in this type of use....

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Maybe this will work for the Corona Virus too.

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I think she must be in charge of covid19 treatment....

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Thanks for the reminder of the days when TV was worth the energy it took to power it. May these old classics never fade from the public memory.

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Yeah, the most watched channels in my house are MeTV, AntennaTV, and TVLand.

Maybe a few minutes of the news broadcast.

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The video was interesting. Here's a link to a website with information and videos about vitamin C that's being used to address coronavirus issues.

https://www.greenmedinfo.com/blog/three-intravenous-vitamin-c-research-studies-approved-treating-covid-19-1?utm_campaign=Daily%20Newsletter%20-%20Intravenous%20Vitamin%20C%20%28PtAJ4f%29&utm_medium=email&utm_source=Daily%20Newsletter&_ke=eyJrbF9lbWFpbCI6ICJ3YXluZUByb2NreTc3LmNvbSIsICJrbF9jb21wYW55X2lkIjogIksydlhBeSJ9

Nutrition plays a huge role in immunity but the information is suppressed. All of what I read and hear to address the coronavirus issue is to keep your distance from others, wear a mask, and wash your hands as I recall. A large part of our immune function is in the gut---70 to 80%. Here are two more links that others may find helpful.

https://www.amenclinics.com/blog/what-to-do-about-the-coronavirus/?trk_msg=FF8LTRGIM31KJBNUGIUSB8FLO4&trk_contact=TTD31F5HN28G975A2P6CS28FM0&trk_sid=0V18EBCHG6QNDMAV2KE0DC0GU4&utm_source=ACI-Listrak&utm_medium=Email&utm_term=READ+MORE&utm_campaign=Friday+Send#comments

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Nutrition plays a huge role in immunity but the information is suppressed bogus...

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How many articles have you seen in mainstream news about the importance of nutrition to address the corona virus issue? I have seen absolutely none.

In an excerpt from this link: https://www.greenmedinfo.com/blog/orthomolecular-journal-vitamin-c-coronavirus

it says,"Physicians have demonstrated the powerful antiviral action of vitamin C for decades. There has been a lack of media coverage of this effective and successful approach against viruses in general, and coronavirus in particular."

In an excerpt from this link: https://www.naturalhealth365.com/coronavirus-press-release-3289.html

it says, "Coronavirus vitamin solution NOT revealed by the mainstream media or government health agencies."

A person doesn't see articles like the ones below on mainstream news, so there is evidence nutrition information is suppressed.

https://www.pcrm.org/news/blog/foods-boost-immune-system

https://www.yourvalley.net/stories/a-healthy-lifestyle-is-best-defense-against-coronavirus,142351

https://www.everydayhealth.com/infectious-diseases/explained-how-your-immune-system-fights-off-coronavirus-and-other-germs/

https://drsircus.com/general/glutathione-against-the-coronavirus/

https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Nutrients-can-directly-suppress-viral-infections_fig1_221918868

https://www.health.com/condition/infectious-diseases/what-is-immunocompromised

https://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2020/03/09/coronavirus-prevention.aspx

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I didn't say vitamin C is not effective against viruses....I believe it is and have recommended it here in this forum for colds and flu before, and many times over the years....This thread is about zinc stopping the covid19 virus...Most claims about vitamins are bogus though, and hardly suppressed, more over expressed...In this case the zinc is of little use if it can't get into the cellular structure, which requires another drug to actually work....How effective vitamin C is against covid19 remains to be seen...That being said, a balanced diet and vitamin supplements in some cases, is common knowledge to support immune system and health in general, as well as exercise, fresh air, sunshine etc....

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03/12/2020 7:03 AM

GA from me.

Thanks SE!

Great link to some possible good news;now if they could speed up the testing process...

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03/12/2020 12:35 PM

Great find SE! Definitely something to watch.

This made me think about Quinine Water drink mixer, now mostly called Tonic Water. Quinine was another anti malaria medication and is often dissolved in Tonic water.

As a preventative measure I think I might start drinking Vodka Tonics more regularly and taking a zinc supplement. Maybe add some pomegranate juice for good measure, I understand that's supposed to be healthy. Tequila would probably work as well, or Gin. And if it proves not effective, well at least I got some enjoyment out of it.

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I'm with you on that! Sundowners.

The chloroquine drug has some serious side effects, although maybe for short term treatment is ok. IDK.

Glass of tonic water with some pomegranate juice... shrimp in horseradish sauce... lemon garlic egg chicken soup...

The primary goal here is to avoid the need to go to emergency/hospital. And enjoy the ride as much as you can. If treats don't cure me, well...... (burp, dammit, that was delicious).

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if its man made, then there's no possible cure. What if the vaccine might only cause for the virus to evolve into another strain.

Man sometimes often times arrogant. Proud to be a creator yet no not the full extent in changing nature.

Just the day we created plastic. Until to this day there's no cure.

Man insider, with shrouds and incense knew this will happen as planned.

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Now you did it... you offended him.

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That's interesting. Don't you usually consider the Washington Post to be fake news?

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I will take your accusation under advisement for the time being. I tried to read the WaPo article, but ran into an ad wall. The next step I would ordinarily take would be to read it at my local library; unfortunately it is now closed.

I don't yet know if the author is a bona fide WaPo reporter, a one-time contributor, or what. There is a WaPo writers' group that seems like a bunch of weird dissenters.

What I have passed along so far seems to have come from reliable sources. If that proves to be mistaken, I will issue a retraction. In any event, I believed it to be true at the time, so your phrase "heinous lie" is inapplicable.

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Everything in your post is completely dead wrong.

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Of course, I expected nothing else from you,... and you didn’t let me down.

Get the popcorn, and let the media battle begin... followed by a sprinkling of denials...

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Thanks phoenix911,

Thanks for the warning. I know what I'm dealing with because of you.

However, I've finally decided that I will stand for the truth as I know it!

I will not stop trying to reach people with the truth.

I'll be OK.

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When I try to go to this link,I get this message:"

Problem!

You are attempting to do (or view) something that is not permitted."

What's up with that?

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Same result as before.

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It was in January of 2019 in the break room... where it belongs... even when the ones that pouted that post did belong anywhere here... the very same hypocrites are posting their bs on this engineering thread right here...

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That’s false. pandemic response program, Like the SARS, or H1N1,.... what triggers it? 1,000 cases, 5,000 cases, 25,000 cases,... or maybe it’s the amount of deaths.

Your post is just false, you just don’t know it, or more then likely refuse to accept it. And talking like you know doesn’t make it true.

and nice defense, of accusing someone who disagrees with being out of his mind.

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He does not come across as an intellectual to me,but more like a frustrated philosophunculistic,petty,highly biased zealot that cannot accept the defeat of his political party.

If his goal is to impress others with his intelligence,he has failed miserably,and the more he comments,the clearer his true character is revealed.

I am sure he will protest loudly at my remarks,and attempt to defend his position,by striking out at the truth, but to no avail.

He has demonstrated to all his true self.

He has my sympathy,and my respect as a human, but not as a human being.

"There are many peoples,but very few human beings" as my grandfather once said.

His attempts to offend me will fail because I consider the source and allow for ignorance,and as my tagline says,I refuse to argue with fools.

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Must be something in the on-shore wind that causes this.

More concentrated near the coasts.

Gonna need a gov'ment study to see if there is a cause and effect here.

They may find concentrations near DC and SF that emanates in a decreasing amplitude wave from the epicenters.

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being high density populous, the gathering can’t be helped...

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03/20/2020 10:18 PM

I never called anything a hoax. Quit lying.

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03/19/2020 1:30 PM

...but it is working....biological weapons and pandemics have a lot in common, and the response is similar...again the pandemic response team was never discontinued...you had two similar programs that when combined was more efficient and provides a stronger platform to work from...

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03/19/2020 1:35 PM

That’s true,... and it’s happening as we speak.

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Re: Possible Treatment For Corona Virus

03/17/2020 4:48 AM

Other diseases are available.

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