Who Should Get the Vaccine First?

Thanks for so clearly illustrating my point Phoenix.

whats really scary, in the 70's I looked like this, just add leisure suit.

you’re welcome... Lol...

In the 70’s,... I thought everybody had leisure suits... my high school senior year book picture I had a leisure suit... only difference is, I looked cool... and that’s my story... lol

fyi,... I'm just happy, we didn’t have digital cameras back then...

lol,... what would really being interesting, I know we had a post of to put a face to the member name tag, that was nice...

I’m thinking, should start a new post for members to post their pictures from years ago,.. as a child, or teen, or yearbook pics... lol.

I never owned a leisure suit, but even though you can't tell from this picture, that was a puke-brown corduroy suit. (Yes, H.S yearbook photo) Geek? Dork? Yup. Fortunately, it wasn't terminal.

You bassturd..

hey,... I like corduroy’s, I have a grey AND a tan... with the elbow patches... I don’t know what happened to my pipe......

but since you started it... class of ‘78

You got three years on me old man !

So... your catching up as we get older... but you’ll never catch me...

The Summer of Love. 1967.

that’s pretty good... now, I wish I’d change mine...

sorry, wasn't going for a 'one up'. its the only old photo I have on my phone.

Its a christmas card we sold to fund our trip to sing summer relief for the Portsmouth Cathedral Choir which we did in 1970. I copied this for my friends congregation to put up for his 60th birthday. He's the kid right in front of me.

Every picture tells a story.....

Sounds like a high school reunion!

I had just responded when I read your post. You nailed it!

I'm not sure if you've heard about the recent battle between the LA County Sheriff and our new DA. The DA has the belief that criminals can and will be rehabilitated. He also wants them to remain on the street, without bail - unless they do something really bad. That includes forgiving certain Three Strikes crimes. This is from the local paper https://signalscv.com/2021/01/deputies-arrest-man-on-suspicion-of-public-masturbation-release-him-re-arrest-suspect-then-release-him/ - arrest and release, so the criminal can do it again!

They finally had enough of this, so his own prosecutors sued Gascon (the DA) and received an injunction. How ridiculous is that - the DA was sued by his prosecutors! We're losing We've lost it here in CA! https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/judge-blocks-la-county-da-gasc-c3-b3n-reforms-including-shying-away-from-three-strikes-law/ar-BB1dx5bV?ocid=uxbndlbing

I think a lot of people had hope that the last administration would provide needed change to a pretty messed up system. Some things were good, while others weren't - I hope we can all agree. The far right believed he was flawless and they made up excuses for his bad behavior and poor choices. There was always some reason that he did something and it was all part of his plan - that's what I gather when talking to them. However, they grasped on to him, because they were disgusted with the way the "old" system wasn't working.

So today, I watched some of the impeachment and it's amazing how we're back to the old way of doing things. Congress is telling everyone that they have to get the vaccine, so we can get back to normal, however the chamber was full of masked people who obviously don't want to get the vaccine. If it were bars of gold, there would be no question who would be the first to get it, but there's some reason why they're not doing their maneuvering to get the vaccine. Or I could just be an untrusting man, who doesn't realize that our congressmen are giving, thoughtful folks who want to allow others to step in front of them. Mind you, these congressmen are so thoughtful that they are selflessly risking their own lives, because if the media is correct, they can catch Covid and die!

Yes, we're back to the same old stuff. Remember that it's very hard to change a process that's taken years to form and the ones in power will do anything to make sure they remain in charge. Very sad, but there's nothing I can do about it and unfortunately, I don't think anyone here (or collectively) who can do anything either.

Okay, off my soapbox again!

Maybe you could get Pence to run for Governor of California....Make California sane again!!!

One man cannot do it alone. Trump was not successful in even beginning to drain the swamp. You will need a lot of help to do that.

There's too much to lose - "they" will do just about anything to protect the empire they've built. The system is so messed up, I don't know if it can be fixed. And I'm not one of those "if you can't beat 'em, join 'em" types. I have the feeling that many here aren't either.

Vaccine or mask? It isn't either-or, it's both. When I am faced with high possibility of death, as we olders are, and when those that are vaccinated, or get the virus and recover or never show symptoms can still carry the virus and affect us, I want max protection. That means vaccination AND well-fitting masks when anywhere near other people. I'm not worried about discomfort, but proud of not being a comfort wimp (think military training, trenches in WW1 or any serious sport practice). As for freedom, that is defined as much by what you enforceably restrict (murder, robbery, rape et al) as by what we permit, such as this exchange.

Whoa! Freedom and enforcing laws?

Murder, robbery, rape, et al - those are crimes against an individual. One does not have the freedom to kill a person (murder), steal from them (robbery) or sexually assault someone (rape) and be allowed to freely roam with others. He has given up that right by his actions!

Freedom to speak (or on this forum, write), is not something we permit - per the laws of this land. It's an unalienable right. Freedom of speech, religion, the press, etc. We should never think of these rights as something that we permit, because one day, our lawmakers may see fit to stop permitting it. We look at these rights as unalienable as they are not to be bartered or regulated. Sure, you can't yell fire in a crowded theater, so that's not a freedom of speech.

A few questions for you to think about.

1. Is it illegal to be sick with Covid and to invite friends over for dinner?

2. Should it be?

3. Is it illegal to be sick with Covid and to walk into a busy public place?

4. Should it be?

5. Is it illegal to be sick with Covid and walk into a place where highly susceptible people are?

6. Should it be?

If someone is wearing two masks and they keep six feet away from another person, does #1-6 change? Why or why not?

We got a little off topic there, but I'm interested if someone has any knowledge of the following:

1. The scientists who created the vaccine have taken it.

2. The program managers have taken it.

3. The C-Suite has taken it.

4. Our congressmen have taken it.

5. The kids of #1-4 have taken it.

6. The grandkids of #1-4 have taken it.

Please, no assumptions or rumors. I'm very interested to see if this group has been vaccinated.

Thank you.

I had an interesting conversation with a friend of mine regarding the vaccine. He told me that rumors are running around that his wife may lose her job if she doesn't take the vaccine. Nothing official from the company yet. She feels it's her choice to take the vaccine or not and she's very concerned that her job will make her do something she doesn't want to do.

I told him that it most likely won't happen, but she may be furloughed until the pandemic is over or she takes the vaccine. His response - "She's not taking it. End of story."

This seems like the right thread for this.

Speaking of vaccines... Does anybody here know how to beak up a cast iron bathtub?

Ah,... mental health is down the hall and the door to your left.

Sigh. Once again a barely veiled personal attack.

I guess you don't know how to break up a cast iron bath tub.

Avoid destruction, find a use for it (dogwash, planter, or sell as vintage or retro to multibathroomers).

"Having two bathrooms ruined the capacity to cooperate."(Margaret Mead).

And THAT is what provaxxers are really saying. Extremes may be comfortable but avoid that need to cooperate -- to balance self and social responsibility. In evolution of cultures, an optimum combination of self and society has proven successful.

Barely veil personal attack?... really?

that sounds so familiar.

geez, either grow up, or grow a pair. You decide.

no, I point to mental disease because that’s post had a record of reply’s...

stop be so ‘woke’.

Yes, a sledge hammer will do it. Cast iron tubs, sinks, etc break apart with a hammer.

I've never done it, but I've been told it works.

I purposely did not get involved in this discussion for some time but now is the time. A recent legal case in ALBERTA Canada has caused the discussion to take legs. This case involved a man that refused to wear the mask for health reasons, over some time he accumulated huge amount of fines if I am correct just over $ 1000.00.

Under the Canadian law the prosecution must perform what is called full disclosure to comply, in this case the man petitioned the court to subpoena the Minister of Health for full disclosure and in particular proof that the COVID 19 virus had been isolated thus triggering the so called vaccine. THE ALBERTA GOVERNMENT COULD NOT COMPLY WITH THIS LAWFUL REQUEST and all COVID cases are in process of being dismissed. This is spreading all across Canada. I suspect USA has similar laws on FULL DISCLOSURE. This COVID thing is a scam but more important it is 99.98% curable with present pharmaceuticals and oxygen such as H2O2, ozone, Chlorine Dioxide. Cheers & Blessings to all at CR4.

This is powerful since the request was made on the court record and is now a matter of fact dully documented for all to see. Cheers and blessings.

Ill informed.
The Canadian Law journals say no such thing....

This tangential branch is a perfect demonstration of how the internet has become just a big rumor mill. Neither reply provides any citation.

Should have made it clearer - it is possibly ongoing (he may be appealing again)...in series form.
First, Coates was arrested and charged, then bailed.
He breached that and was again presented before the courts where "This is an application by the Accused James David Coates for a review of a condition on the bail order granting him release on February 16, 2021. Neither the Crown nor the Accused sought an order pursuant to s 517 of the Criminal Code. As such, there is no order made restricting publication of the representations made, or these reasons."

Court of Queen’s Bench of Alberta
Citation: R v Coates, 2021 ABQB 179
Date: 20210305 Docket: 210161956U1
Registry: Edmonton
Between: Her Majesty the Queen

Crown

- and –

James David Coates

Accused
Conclusion

[34] For the reasons given, the bail review application pursuant to s 520 of the Criminal Code is dismissed.

Heard on the 04th day of March, 2021.
Dated at the City of Edmonton, Alberta this 5 th day of March, 2021.
https://albertacourts.ca/docs/default-source/qb/judgments/r-v-coates-2021-abqb-179---reasons-for-decision.pdf?sfvrsn=5fbd7983_2
Subsequently, in a lower court

https://www.jccf.ca/wp-content/uploads/2021/04/2021-04-14-Coates-Charter-Notice-Filed.pdf

To the hearing....
In the Provincial Court of Alberta

Citation: R v Coates, 2021 ABPC 162

Date: 20210607

Docket: E12837926A

Registry: Stony Plain

Between:

Her Majesty the Queen

Crown

- and -

James David Coates

Accused

Decision of the Honourable Judge R.C. Shaigec

Introduction

[1] James Coates is the pastor of Grace Life Church. He refuses to comply with Alberta’s COVID-19 laws, claiming that these restrictions violate his constitutional rights.

[2] On December 20, 2020, Pastor Coates defied public health rules by conducting a worship service where in-person attendance exceeded the allowable 15% of fire code capacity. As a result, he was charged with an offence contrary to section 73(1) of the Public Health Act.

[3] The constitutionality of the law limiting attendance at places of worship will be decided later in this trial. At issue now is the December 20^th enforcement of that law. James Coates contends that his rights were infringed because religious services were unlawfully obstructed, he was charged in an attempt to “censor,” and he spent an unjustifiable 35 days in jail.

[4] Were sections 2 or 7 of the Charter violated, and if so, what is the appropriate remedy?
........ and so on....until....

Conclusion

[58] The section 24(1) Charter application is dismissed.

Heard on the 3^rd and 4^th day of May, 2021.

Dated at the Town of Stony Plain, Alberta this 7^th day of June, 2021.

https://www.canlii.org/en/ab/abpc/doc/2021/2021abpc162/2021abpc162.pdf

It should be noted that Alberta has a 3 Tier court system:

The Provincial Court of Alberta
Court of Queen’s Bench of Alberta: and
Court of Appeal of Alberta

When he exhausts all them he would have to try his luck in the Canadian national court system.....like the US (sorta) jump from the State to Federal systems

This doesn't sound like the same case that was referenced. The case you posted is for a pastor who held a larger service than was allowed.

I do find it interesting that Canada is holding firm on their Covid mandates. Here in LA County, I've heard of some people receiving tickets for public mask violations and if I'm not mistaken, most were in the beach towns (Manhattan Beach, Redondo Beach and Hermosa Beach), areas where the outsiders come visit. Also, the majority of tickets were given last year - I don't recall hearing much about mask violation tickets in 2021.

Too early to be published but Alberta Gov. open up due to this case .

If it's the Canadian Competition Law Review that you're referencing, then yes, it's published twice annually.

Thanks for sharing.

Regarding US law, I'm not in the legal field, so I'll defer the answer to someone who knows more than me. I know there were cities that ticketed people for not wearing a mask in public. Not just indoors, but walking on the street or boardwalk. There were a lot of people who received a ticket.

I know the city I live in had a mandate, where I had to wear a mask if I was on public property - taking the trash out to the street.

That's right, when the global crisis first started and covid was spreading very quickly, at first the vaccine was given only to health care workers. First of all, and this is absolutely correct, because they were very vulnerable, constantly coming into contact with sick people. I recently read several articles about oppression, about difference and inequality. It seems to me that in emergency situations such privileges are justified.

It’s interesting to note that back in 2020 the drama queens were panicking to a point that resembled a musical production number of the likes of ‘Oklahoma’ so to speak because the vaccines weren’t developed already and on their doorstep, yet with the latest variant there is so much mishandling and corruption, that there have been basically zero delivery…

and those same drama queens are now,… silent.

Very true!

The other day, I heard something very interesting. The vaccine approval for kids under 5 has been delayed. I don't think it's a safety issue, but more so about efficacy. What I heard is that "they" couldn't get the results "they" wanted with 2 shots, so they're going to continue the trial with 3! I'm wondering why don't they just do 5 and get it over with?

And the situation has gone from people fighting over who gets the vaccine first to forcing people to get it.

I got my two Moderna shots last April/May and then a natural booster [ Ο ] this past December.

I have no intention of being jabbed with a booster shot at this point.

Initially, it was the drama queens crying why the administration didn’t have the vaccine on their doorstep.

they can just be thankful that it was that same administration that mobilized border lockdown, the pharmaceutical development and implementation.

Can you imagine if that would have happen under this administration… those same drama queens would be silent for a different reason… along with a good part of the population…

With the off topic… if we were playing battleship with your post… E4

“DIRECT HIT!”

I find it amusing how fast we've gone from vaccine mandates and punishments for not getting jabbed to the new narrative - open up fast and hopefully the voters will forget about these crazy rules when it's time to vote!

All we needed was a war!

Put the blame where it belongs... its the people that picks and chooses the media on what matches and supports their talking points and then spreads it.

And that's everyone.

"I blame mass media for all of this. I can't be at fault!"

I see your sarcasm and its duly noted...

oh... this just in...

If you've seen the news (if you can call it that) in Los Angeles, you'll know how bad news can get.

I try not to watch our evening local news - the only time I watch is when I'm at the tire shop waiting for work to be done (they do a lot of work for my business).

Quite simply, if people didn't watch the news, then ratings would drop and they'd be forced to change. I think people actually enjoy watching this trash - just my opinion.

Or they just want to know the weather report ...

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It’s interesting what a year and a half makes…

To a certain degree, COVID is now beginning to be treated like the flu now… yet China had a recent out break where they had to shut down manufacturing area, and have just recently started up again.

As well, as the origin of COVID 19 is just beginning to leak out and confirm it’s origin all along.

I could've sworn we had Covid in our house a couple times in the last two plus years. Well, we officially did in early August. My better half tested positive on a Friday - she was feeling pretty bad the day before and decided to test, she had a headache and body aches. I told her to get Paxlovid, which she did - good for her. On Sunday, I started feeling it - you know, that feeling like you're going to get sick. On Monday, it hit hard. All day it got worse, then on Tuesday, it felt like a freight train hit me. The first week, I had no energy, terrible headache and body aches. And a fever to boot. No loss of taste or smell. The next week the headache and body ache was nearly gone, but I had a low grade fever and night sweats - and very, very low energy. The next week I finally felt good enough to sit at my desk - for about 15 minute stretches - then I'd lay on the couch for an hour or so. By the end of the week, I was able to walk around the parking lot across the street 1/3 mile total. The 4th week was better, no fever and negative Covid test. I tried to go for a run and barely made it 1/3 mile. I walked a couple miles and came home super tired. I did go back to work after the 4th week. I had lots of clients waiting for me to get better, but they wanted their cars! A slow improvement healthwise and I was super happy to be back to work. Though still very tired. I ran 1/3 mile, walked 1/3 mile ... for one total mile of running, then another couple miles walking. Very slow pace, but at least I was out. Week 6 and on was even better, but still some lethargy and that memory problem.

It'll soon be two months since I got this thing. I thought I'd be immune to it, because I was pretty strong physically. It didn't turn out that way!

You could have… I did. (3) times. First was back in December of 2019… medium case.

Thought it was a combination of flu, and exhaustion later in the spring of 2020 when they could test for COVID antibodies, it was positive.

then again, a bad case of flu in late December 2020 through January 2021. After the fever broke, the respiratory was terrible. I was fortunate was prepared. I can understand about the mortality rates with the respiratory issues. Too bad it was so politicized.

after I received the shot and boosters, I got it again in July 2022, mild case, but I felt fatigued for about 2 months.

it’s interesting that even the ‘experts’ admitted they were wrong about COVID. But we now have what DQ’s wanted.

Maybe so. The first two were very, very mild. The second was a little worse, but we were tested and they said, negative. This one was much different. Someone told me that my immune system may have been weak from too much strenuous exercise. Maybe? I don't know. I do know that it's something I don't wish on anyone!