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How Do I Connect Mains To Oscilloscope Input?

12/17/2007 2:04 AM

Hello everyone.

I would like to hook my household mains up to my oscilloscope so that I can observe "the quality of my power" and see what happens when I turn on different devices. Devices like my air-conditioner and compact-florescent-bulbs (which seem to cause feedback on their phase), and possibly the output side of my UPS.

Obviously, I want to do this in such a way that I don't kill myself, damage my scope, start a fire, etc.

So I'm looking for suggestions on how to build a cable for this that can be disconnected and reconnected as desired. I'm particularly interested in correct cable wire gauge, fuses, connectors, whatever should be used.

I live in the United States, so this will be connected to 120 VAC @ 60 Hz on a 10 to 20 Amp circuit.

My oscilloscope is a GOS-622G (all analog). The 2 inputs are BNC connectors labeled "CAT. II 400Vpk MAX" (Volts Peak) with the outsides marked ground and a separate ground lug and 100Vpk EXT for selectable trigger.

I should be able to connect my little probes directly to the mains, right?

It's been about 10 years since my electronics class, but as I recall there should be near infinite resistance across the signal/ground , so I'm thinking about taking a lamp or extension cord, figuring out the polarity, connecting/soldering neutral to the outside of a salvaged BNC connector and the "hot" to the inside. and wrapping the whole thing in a heat-shrink insulator. No fuse or switch. Initial tests will be using a GFI outlet.

Does this sound OK, or do you have any better ideas?

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12/26/2007 10:43 AM

No I'm from NYC, living in Miami, "vacationing" in Puerto Rico. I am 99% American ad 1% Po'rican.

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12/27/2007 11:11 PM

Thats why I know why somebody will not offend you again, becaue they find out you are not from a small country.??

someone seems feel that the people who is not from developed countries will has little knowledge. haha

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10/07/2009 9:23 PM

I'm not sure how old this question is, but I'll answer it if you're still curious. Puerto Rico was a small Spanish owned Caribbean nation until 1898, when Spain lost the Spanish-American War and gave the United States Guam, Puerto Rico, and a few other colonies. Puerto Ricans are all citizens of the United States. Puerto Rico is not a state, like Florida or Texas or California (for example). They do not have congressmen, like a state would, but they do have some representatives in Congress (who can't vote) who try to coordinate congressmen. In that sense, it is politically a lot like the city of Washington D.C., which is not a part of any state and has no congressmen.

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12/21/2007 3:23 PM

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12/21/2007 3:35 PM

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12/21/2007 3:52 PM

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12/21/2007 4:09 PM

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12/21/2007 8:55 PM

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12/21/2007 9:48 PM

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12/23/2007 4:24 AM

I have done it before and have a few recommendations. I am NOT familiar with the scope you are using. You have mentioned that it is dual trace. I am going to ASSUME that the probes you use are similar to Tektronics probes, and that your scope has similar controls to Tek (and other) scopes.

1. Pull the ground wires off your scope probes and put them away in a drawer.

2. Find a button which says "Invert Channel A" or "Invert Channel B" and press it.

3. Find a button which says something like "Add A + B".

This sets up your scope to look at differential signals.

4. I assume that your probes are 10:1 aka 10 Mohm probes. You will have to set vertical gain on the scope to max voltage possible... and ALWAYS the gain on both channels must be the same for meaningful readings. If you don't have 10:1 probes, you might have to build a voltage divider as others have described.

5. Attach the A channel probe to the hot (black) side and the B channel probe to the neutral (white) side. Set your scope for Line sync and you should have a good picture of the voltage.

I CANNOT be with you to do it for you or to show you how, but this is dangerous if you don't know what you are doing. If the scope does not conform with what I described above, or if you have any question, DON"T DO IT.

I can assure you that 110VAC will blow the heck out of a scope probe ground wire before the circuit breaker blows. Did that back in 1970 (but only once).

Sincerely

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