Could Someone Help Me With a Machine I'm Making?

I don't understand why you guys waste your time in writing on this topic which is not possile. I am seeing lot of people is writing uselessly. I stopped after writing twice asking mathemetical formulation of energy balance equation. Which he/she couldn't answer.I stopped writing and even viewing. But after long saw Jack's reply.

Given my previous posts and history on the CR4 site (especially regarding trying to educate and assist free energy tinkerers using simple language in a very non-threatening way (mostly)) and my broad experience base in the areas of power generation (yes I am still designing wind farms and am working on another one right now), transmission and distribution (among others) I would like to think that when I wade in and start talking people will actually stop and listen.

I am here after all to learn and help (or is that help and learn).

I stopped after writing twice asking mathemetical formulation of energy balance equation.

Ahh, you have fallen into the classic trap that many fall into. Not reading the posters comments clearly and using those to build a mental picture of who you are talking to. Looking closely you see that "formula1" believes the circuit will work, this and the bizarre explanations of how he/she believes an electromagnet works and what comes out of the wall socket in a house indicate a complete misunderstanding of even the basics of electronics and electricity. Quoting mathematical formulas and laws of conservation here are not going to help, to answer questions like these above you must keep it simple and go back to the basics.

Oh, I also find that giving a simple example to try at home can help to prove some of the more basic elements of electricity, as long it is safe, simple and the person actually tries it.

I am still not too convinced that this post is not a joke.

While I have enjoyed reading all of the many posts on this subject. The one thing that is abundantly clear and must be pointed out is that...

This "energy device" has consumed far more energy from the planets finite energy reserves then it will ever contribute to those reserves.

If this post, and others of its ilk, are a joke, its a rather sad one. If the OP was sincere, he is clearly a neophyte when it comes to the physical sciences. Can we assume, if he is sincere, that his motives may be pure?

Perhaps CR4 should create a blog, was that not already suggested by another, where discussions of this sort could be welcomed away from the "harsh light" of empirical reality, in that way... those members of CR4 who share such a dream may be able to help its birth.

Lets face it... no one want a dream to be impacted by reality.

Perhaps CR4 should create a blog, was that not already suggested by another, where discussions of this sort could be welcomed away from the "harsh light" of empirical reality,

Unfortunately, many with these ideas think all that is required is to simply build the thing (the case here: he's sure it will work, but just needs some help in putting it together). These folks then believe the appropriate posting area is under "electrical engineering" rather than in the "Free energy/alien capture/perpetual motion/energy conspiracy" area.

Sadly, most perpetual motion machine creators think they have discovered something that the millions of others who have tried to create such machines have failed to appreciate. So they are utterly convinced that their idea has just a couple engineering tweaks required before going into full production.

Then there are the Dennis Lees of this world, who know full well their devices cannot work, but promote them fraudulently. We've had several of this ilk show up here, one of whom even stole Dennis Lee's generator picture to use as his own! They are hoping to either get investment dollars here, or are hoping to be able to convince someone here that their device will work, so that they can say "engineers agree that this will work".

But I like your idea -- it would be great if we could simply move postings to the "whacko" area when they show up. But that would require someone to play God, and would no doubt cause hard feelings for the people who sincerely believe in their ideas.

Another thought I had is a thread that explains why these things do not work, so that when one shows up, we can just give a link to that thread.

Unfortunately, these discussions end up being like religious discussions, in which the believer of one faith sees his belief as "the truth" and the believer of another sees his own (entirely contradictory) belief as "the truth" as well. So these perpetual motion machine discussions have as much hope of being resolved as do religious discussions. Just as certain religious types believe that "creation science" is science, so do perpetual motion types believe that their anti-science view is also science. If one comes into a discussion with the opinion that the first and second laws of thermodynamics are "wrong," then there is no amount of banter that will convince him otherwise: he has already chosen to ignore the millions of examples all around us that suggest that these laws are correct.

Magnetism works the way I showed it.. its obvious...
-Its all about setting the timer right...
--But attracting the magnet to one side or another is easy enough

As for charging the electromagnets, just increase length of the wire...
-Doesn't weaken the power of the current like multiple lightbulbs would

You guys say it wouldn't work, and I've heard explainations like "it does use electricity"

Well, yeah... I'm using that fact to turn the electromagnets on and off... but it doesn't decrease the power of the electricity like lightbulbs would...

As for charging the electromagnets, just increase length of the wire...
-Doesn't weaken the power of the current like multiple light-bulbs would

uh increasing the length does in fact weaken the current, wire has resistance, it might be small but it does exist! Resistance = heat = use of power.

Please feel free to build your "linear generator" or oscillator circuit.

It will certainly have a negative coefficient of monetary gain!

The solution to your credibility problem is to build your circuit.

No one here will build it for you, because we can anticipate that when it doesn't work, you will claim, as all prompters of perpetual motion scams do, that it was built incorrectly. In the time since you started this and your timer thread, you could have built ten of these. Build it, then come back and show us how science is invalid and your own view is the truth.

Just to throw in my two cents into a topic that is well been talked about, some get what formula 1 is trying to do and some have totally missed it all together. Not to say that what i am about to point out will make this work but make it understandable to every one thats staring at this and scratching there head. What formula 1 is trying to say about the hole electric magnet is that if you look at it as a Inductor not a magnet the power loss only comes from the resistance of the wire the magnet doesn't use electricity it actually stores it and when turns of releases the stored energy back to the capacitor. As for the plug think of it as a power switch or the place to plug in a light with out the contacts being made none of it works, power goes from the capacitor to the plug (with something in the plug) it carries on to the 555 switch then alternates between each Inductor back to the opposite side of the capacitor. so looking at it that way the only thing using power besides the resistance of all the wire in the loop is the switch and what ever you have in the socket.

For Some reason I can't log in But thats right, thats what I was trying to say

Just once I'd like to see a naive question answered here without someone denigrating the poster's intelligence, character, language mastery or experience as the first response.

This thread is a case in point.

To those of us who've been through uni and working in the engineering fields for years, the poster's question is clearly very uniformed and betrays a lack of even a basic education in the engineering sciences. It also suggests that English may not the poster's native tongue. It also suggests that the poster may not be very old; possibly someone of middle-school age or perhaps even somewhat younger. In short, someone at the same stage in their educational development as we were at some point in our lives. Every last one of us, without exception.

The poster's question is naive, true, but the question says something else about the poster that is far more admirable than anything our responses here have said about us: that he or she is a good-hearted, guile-less person who means to get off his or her dead arse and make a bluddy difference in the world. Well, now that this person has made contact with us knowledgable, educated, superior engineers, scientists and sages, how much do you wanna bet they no longer give a sh*t about making the world a better place through engineering, hmm? Were I in that poster's shoes, I wouldn't. I certainly would not consider bothering with engineers again, and that's for damn sure.

This person's 'crime' isn't their naivete. No, the real crime is in their having asked the wrong people.

Great job, CR4. We really showed 'im, didn't we!

Did you actually read the OP? Not only is it yet another over-unity idea, but he takes well over 400 words before any hint as to what his "machine" might be. Within that introduction he mentions God, extra-terrestrials, genetics, space travel, telekinesis, corruption, and over-controlling government (citing the Zeitgeist movie as source.)

When he finally gets around to describing the "machine", all we have is a poorly animated gif image bodged together from several other low resolution images of components. While the animated gif is underwhelming, I also understand that many people lack the skills to create a proper technical drawing. However, his annotations within the image clearly demonstrate a failure to perform basic research (e.g., "Electromagnet uses no electricity to work".)

Yes, there are a number of derogatory replies, but the thread starts out reasonably nice, with several people offering reasoned and informative posts, and even asking simple questions. Yet, with the OP's first response (#15) he denies the facts, reasserting, "Nah, the electromagnet uses no energy/ All it is is wiring with a steel rod going through it. Try just hooking up an electromagnet... -It short circuits the wire... Its flawless" (That's verbatim -- I only removed line breaks.)

Furthermore, his next reply (#17) is just a simplified rewrite of his OP! At this point it's obvious he isn't interested in learning, which leads to a few "less than helpful" remarks. Still, several informative posts are offered. When we get to post #41, it proves that the OP chooses to remain ignorant. Once again, (posts #44 & #51) a member tries very hard, with utmost respect, to share knowledge and experience -- and is summarily ignored.

You'll need to cite a different thread to support your assertions.

BTW: Throughout this, the OP appears good-natured, acknowledging the natural ebb and flow of internet forums.