Could Someone Help Me With a Machine I'm Making?

Er.... what? Any takers?

Nah, the electromagnet uses no energy/ All it is is wiring with a steel rod going through it.

Try just hooking up an electromagnet...
-It short circuits the wire...

Its flawless

Ok...yeh...whatever....a short circuit draws no current...hey I must try that on my car battery. .

Ah... here's a piece of wire right here, just about the right length to reach from this terminal over to the oth

Many years ago.....

The 1st day of auto shop, there was a car battery on the teachers desk, w/a short, piece of # 14 wire connected to one terminal & a large alligator clip on the other. The teacher doned some welding gloves & attached the alligator clip on the opposite terminal. The result a shower of sparks & a pufff of smoke. Everyone understood how very dangerous that amount current can be.

Don't try this! A newly charged battery, outgasses hydrogen gas. Copper & insulation being vaporized, will leave nasty burns on you and the surroundings!

Don't try this!

To be sure. Years ago, my wife hooked up some jumper cables to a battery (in the correct polarity) and top of the a battery blew off, producing a shower of battery acid. Always good to make sure that the last connection made is to a grounding point away from the battery.

Quite. There are significant safety issues when working on lead-acid batteries, as well as other types, as the heating effects of short circuits can be severe. Always remove personal jewellery and wristwatches before carrying out servicing work on storage batteries, for safety.

It is best practice, when working with tools on battery-powered systems, to remove the earthing strap from earth-return systems first and replace it last. That way, it usually takes 2 simultaneous faults/mistakes/dropped tools (which is unlikely) to create a short circuit and a fire. Ideally, remove the battery to a safe place before doing any work.

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Cheer up - life is not all that bad.

All good things are yet FREE-:Air, Water,Love

I find love is hard to find though......
Apparently people want to pick and choose who they love..
And I'm not always the lucky one...

It that a 556CN Dual Timer IC at the top?

Yes it is...

How is it powered?

PS. I like your animated sketch... it's funky.
Del

Sorry folks, but this just has to be a setup.

It cleverly hits most of the buttons that get people on this site riled up, but if you look at the web sites of true free energy looneys, you'll see they can't spell or punctuate as well as "Formula 1". ffeJ

Bravo Mr. D. No kidding I am amazed at the surgical precision.

The guy deserved it, but you are my new hero.

I will be aware of the force in the future.

Vader

I apologise if my message was pointed at your post. I was actually just using the opportunity to make a statement about ridiculing ideas as opposed to having technical discussions. It was my moment to get up on a soapbox. :-)

I happen to agree that conspiracy theories are typically destructive and more to the point have no place here.

The idea that investment in these ideas are beneficial to the economy was more tongue in cheek. The fact is that the number of these ideas that get any form of investment is microscopically small and the people who participate in those investments are probably not the same people who would have been investing in other more practical alt energy technology. These aren't even investments as much as they are get rich quick schemes.

So sorry the post was linked to yours. I didn't mean anything personal I just wanted my chance to get my point across. I do believe that scientists and engineers should open up their minds a little bit. There is a strong tendency to angrily criticise ideas that fall outside the mainstream. In many ways this seems to be some kind of emotional defense mechanism instead of a technical dialog. This forum is actually outstanding for good discussions and supportive advice. I would just like to see more of that in the world.

Time to get off my soapbox and get to work on projects.

-Doug

Hi Doug,

Hey, no problem there. No offense meant, and none taken. Like I said, I know you're only playing devil's advocate to spark a debate. In his defense, it appears to me that Formula 1 is essentially a good guy who thinks that there are evil people out there (actually, he's right about that) who want to enslave ordinary people through exorbitant energy prices, and he feels he can make a difference by donating what he believes is a means to obtain free energy to the world so low income people don't need to depend on their governments for energy. Just look at the fact that he wants to donate his idea to the world for free instead of offering to sell it for money, and the fact that he didn't publicly show his anger at the very harsh way I attacked his ideas. Unfortunately, he has been also badly led astray by the garbage-spouting conspiracy theorists. In fact, he's exactly the type of idealistic, well-meaning but gullible innocent person that I'm trying to protect by attacking the looney conspiracy theorists so aggressively. And unfortunately, that also means I have to be very harsh towards him to try to make him see reason.

It's one thing for these wackos to say that the Earth has been visited by benign aliens for centuries. That, at worst, is nothing more than harmless lunacy. But when they start making downright irresponsible allegations such as how the poliomyelitis and smallpox vaccination programs are really covert government biological warfare experiments, a very real claim these jerks have made by the way, they have very clearly crossed the line into dangerous subversion. And that's exactly the reason why I always go all out to attack and discredit their allegations. Just imagine what will happen if there should be a polio outbreak, and guys like F1 refuse to send their young children to be vaccinated because they believe these claims. What do you think will happen to his and other like-minded parents' kids? Do you really think the conspiracy theorists will take responsibility for all the innocent young children who die of polio because of their claims, and offer compensation to their bereaved families? Or will they claim instead that the outbreak was a biological weapons test, thereby putting even more young children at risk?

What do you think?

Speaking of fact checking; Polio is seldom fatal.

Given his other thread, Previous thread by "formula1" , I have a suspicion that this guy is actually thinking he has something here.

Sheesh... another "over unity" crackpot.

"Given his other thread, Previous thread by "formula1" , I have a suspicion that this guy is actually thinking he has something here.

Sheesh... another "over unity" crackpot."

Good point. He was probably trying to figure out how to use the 556CN timer so that he can do this. I wonder if this is his own original idea, or if he's trying to assemble a kit he bought from the zeitgeistmovie.com website.

so close but still yet so far away

this unit does not work as the electricity used to create the magnets out of the bolts is more then the back EMF one could ever get out. second the power in there has no way of getting out as that diode you have used will burn up. the cap will blow due to the unstable freq. of the voltage (leave a window open as you will bleed from all the holes in your body if they blow up and the room has no way to release the air.) next the amount of windings on the bolts as well as the inner coil have to be just right more or less by 1 turn and they will cause a drain not a charge. you also need more parts and these ones do not come off the sheilf as well as the meters to test the power with fluke has them about 5000 per unit as well as a scope. you will also need a bit of cash for all the parts you will burn out (15 - 20,000.00 should work) as well as 20 spools of wire as well as a winder and coating for the wires (water based will not work) all winding wire has pinholes that is why they have to be dipped and vacuumed cooked for a few hours in the oven make sure you dont over cook.

ops made a bad one well try it again as you have wire still right ?

its a long road then afer you are all done and you have it understand that there is a patent pending (oh hell i will have them all in place world wide by then) then i get to send you a letter that says

Stop copying my design !

good night all

If you really want free electricity, I suggest flying a kite in a thunder storm. Hold string in one hand and the machine in the other.

The energy wouldnt be free after paying for the visit to the hospital burn unit.

Your right. Maybe if he wore gloves and attached string directly to the machine. I also forgot to add in the cost of the kite, oh and the gloves.

got buy the kite and string

Whats the energy equation? Will the input energy be less than the output?

I don't know very much about conventional energy equations but this is what I can do for you....

(Shake-em-up flashlight)(*Size)(*number) [can change] (/)Rectifier + or - Capacitor - switch (is a constant)

Since Electromagnets short-circuit (try it out) (I have done this many times... And destroyed my SurgeMaster... and can only charge two things at a time now...) (in essence, they're just copper wiring twisted around a steel/iron rod a bunch of times) I assume they use no electricity.

But please, if you make this give me my share, I want to find some wort of way to use the publicity to make our culture more about freindship (spelled wrong on purpose =P) then survival of the fittest.

If I understand correctly you are saying:

(Shake-em-up flashlight)(*Size)(*number) [can change] (/)Rectifier + or - Capacitor - switch (is a constant)

I take that as an instantaneous value. For the benefit of those who are interested in knowing power produced over time, we should integrate that instantaneous value over time. (For the sake of simplicity, we can assume a square wave pulse from the 555, and we will ignore harmonic distortion and harmonic convergence.)

Thus:

Σ (F_s x S_1...∞ x I x (≈)) / R +/- |C| = Θ*

where Θ = Formula1 Constancy factor.

Do you concur?

If I could make a machine that shook my Farraday flashlight that ran off of light, then I could light the dark world I live in......

Be back soon

Is this another perpetual motion machine?

Hey is that the inner motor workings of The Modified De Lorean Time Machine, is Formula1 going to enter the Space-time continuum to stop the "corruption and destruction" of the world and protect Africa from being "torn apart" for us.

Come on-give the man a hand for trying or at least get him into politics.

Please try making it first before saying "impossible!"

Remember, electromagnets are only copper wiring around a steel/iron rod. Thus, it essence they are just copper wiring and short circuit. Thus they use no electricity.

The "Shake-em-up" flashlights is designed to use no electricty (obvious) and uses a Magnet inside a tube which is surrounded by a copper coil (preferably space on each side of the coper coil for magnet movement)

The switch uses little electricity compared to how much can be used.

And as for the ethics discussion

-My thoughts remain the same-

--Survival of Mankind for an eternity with inventions due to the fact I don't think we can depend on God(s) (God(s) may or may not exsist, and God(s) may leave everything up to us to fix rather then doing everything for us), Evolution (What would be our next step?), Telekinesis (Seems to difficult but I could forsee power struggles when people "don't get along". Power doesn't always equal wisdom.) or the "Big Bang" Theory (Whos to say that there will be a second big bang? What if there isn't?)

--Having an infinite power source would allow people to be lazy, thats it. Perhaps we can shift mankinds purpose from labor to education.

--I want to make this thing so that the world can stop suffer from lack of nourishment and have enjoyment/communication/education free of cost.

--I pray that no one can corrupt this and it truly helps everyone.

Please attempt it before saying it doesn't work.
The schematics are still available... obviously...

What happens when a 40W light bulb is plugged into the socket?

I never got that far, I stopped at the Timer

Since it was either

1) Do a mechanical Ball bearing system (the magnets would attract to steel on the side and move 6 magnets+3 Shake flashlights, less friction due to ball bearings)
2) The timer-Just make it happen electronically

Thats why I want someone to make it for me...
-Instincts told me it just wasn't worth the effort of trying to build the Ball bearing system, and I didn't have the patience to learn how to work the timer

Can any other reader state what happens when a 40W light bulb is plugged into the socket?

Any scientific inventions require to prove by mathemetical formulation or by experiments. Let's ask formula1 to do it if he is confident.

"Remember, electromagnets are only copper wiring around a steel/iron rod. Thus, it essence they are just copper wiring and short circuit. Thus they use no electricity."

Have you actually constructed an electromagnet before? If you have, what was your power source? A battery? And have you ever tried winding copper wire around an iron rod without a power supply before? Does it actually function as an electromagnet, or does the magnetism only work when you connect the battery to it? And what type of energy do you think a battery produces, if not DC electricity? So how can you claim that "thus they use no electricity"?

"Having an infinite power source would allow people to be lazy, thats it. Perhaps we can shift mankinds purpose from labor to education."

Obvously you've never heard of the tragedy of Zimbabwe. They have possibly the best education system in Africa, and yet they have no jobs, and the people suffer from ennui and depression because of it. Education without a future isn't worth much. If anything, it worsens the quality of life, because the highly-educated unemployed feel that they have no purpose in life. Poorly-educated people, at least, are content to remain farmers and fishermen. Highly-educated people want a greater purpose in life, and if they can't get jobs, they may resort to misusing their skills in terrible ways. In my country, university graduates from India and Bangladesh work alongside uneducated Thai peasants doing unskilled general work in construction sites. Reason? They have no jobs back home, so they come here to seek work, even menial work they're actually far over-qualified for.

"I want to make this thing so that the world can stop suffer from lack of nourishment and have enjoyment/communication/education free of cost."

Noble sentiments indeed; unfortunately, you're far likelier to make things worse by giving people false hope and encouraging them to distrust genuine government assistance programs with your conspiracy theories. Sure, people should be self-reliant, but sometimes, the very poor need a helping hand to get back on their feet. Making them distrust and hate legitimate authority will only result in a breakdown in law and order that will complicate matters greatly.

"I pray that no one can corrupt this and it truly helps everyone."

You need hold no fears over this one. It's impossible to corrupt this, simply because it's based on a flawed assumption: free energy. You need not have to believe in entropy and the Third Law of thermodynamics if you don't want to. They're real; whether you believe in them or not, they'll affect your little science project all the same.

Obvously you've never heard of the tragedy of Zimbabwe. They have possibly the best education system in Africa, and yet they have no jobs, and the people suffer from ennui and depression because of it. Education without a future isn't worth much. If anything, it worsens the quality of life, because the highly-educated unemployed feel that they have no purpose in life. Poorly-educated people, at least, are content to remain farmers and fishermen. Highly-educated people want a greater purpose in life, and if they can't get jobs, they may resort to misusing their skills in terrible ways.

I disagree strongly. If you educate someone without giving them a job they become a criminal? Keep people ignorant so they won't feel ennui?

You don't need education to feel ennui, just one to use that word. FYI in the developed world highly educated people are content to be farmers or fishermen. In the same way that the developed world is seen by third world countries as foisting sub-standard, "appropriate" low-carbon technology limiting their ability to enjoy equivalent lifestyles - one rule for you another for them, now you are limiting their education so they don't mind the poor state they are in. Do you not think this is a little arrogant. How about a bit of economic education then? They should not grow cash crops for the west in order to be exploited by the economics of supply and demand using rules devised and imposed by the west, rather grow food to eat. Educated that the be-all and end-all of life is not conspicuous consumption. That world bank loans are linked to requirements which will force them to apply inappropriate western economic rules. There is one African country which has said no to the world bank and that is Botswana, it is more successful than Zimbabwe and has quite a good (free) education system. Education received should be a rounded one and not a job- or career-specific one that you imagine. All, ok most, utopian futures imagine well-educated people living a simple and fulfilled life with no rat-race and unnecessary cr*p. Your suggestion is more of a dystopian Brave New World, with people altered in vivo / in vitro to suit their predestined life.

If there was a conspiracy to produce such a world it appears that you would not object.

Cool!!! we are deviating from the topic of discussion. Let's confine to it.

Hi Hux, it appears you have misunderstood my intention in rebutting F1's claims. I never said that people in Third World Countries shouldn't be educated. What I said was that education by itself is not enough to give people a better life. It's all very well and fine if a farmer decides to continue farming after receiving an education, but what happens if he decides he wants more out of life than farming i.e. he wants to put his education to good use, but cannot get a good job because he's not from a politically-connected elite family? Wouldn't he feel demoralized and frustrated then? From my personal experience from working alongside highly-educated Indian nationals forced to work as construction workers because they can't get better jobs, that's exactly how they feel.

My point in raising Zimbabwe's tragedy is that while the government has provided a very good education system for them, it has failed to develop the economy, resulting in large numbers of highly-educated unemployed people and social unrest. And that was in response to F1's claim that his free-energy device will give people so much free time that they'll become lazy, so education is the answer. Unfortunately, it is not. Having been involved in development efforts in impoverished Third World nations for some time, I can safely say that for most of them, the top priority is to fill their stomachs, and that's something that education alone will not do. What these unfortunate people need first are decent homes, clean, safe food to eat and water to drink, proper sanitation, clothes to wear, and affordable healthcare and energy. Only when they have all these essentials will education be a priority for them, so while F1's idealism is admirable, it's also misplaced.

You are entitled to your own opinions on everything, including my comments, so I won't debate you on them. Instead, I'll simply set the record straight and let everyone decide for themselves whether I would support a conspiracy to set up a social system where injustice is the order of the day as you think.

1. My girlfriend is a poor Indonesian farmer's daughter who works as a domestic servant. I actually paid for her younger sister's university education because her parents couldn't afford to.
2. I am a member of a volunteer NGO that has been involved in social development and disaster relief programs in impoverished Third World nations such as Cambodia, Bangladesh, Vietnam, Indonesia, Mongolia, Nepal, Timor Leste, and Myanmar.
3. As my contribution to the NGO's efforts, I have designed and developed filtration, irrigation, and sanitation systems to provide clean drinking water for these countries. Among other things, I have designed latrines with their own inbuilt wastewater treatment systems that will filter out solids for composting, then treat the water for reuse. I have also designed integrated rainwater harvesting and treatment systems for potable use. There are a lot more that I won't go into detail here.
4. I have also won several awards for my efforts toward raising funds for charities who provide low-income families with affordable healthcare.

I think I've said enough here. Whether anyone believes me or not is their prerogative. All I can say is that just because I'm a staunchly anti-Marxist rightwing hardliner doesn't mean I support social injustice. In fact, from the feedback I recieve from all the volunteers in the field, there's far more social inequality in a Marxist state like Myanmar than it is in a capitalist one like Indonesia.

Hi DVader, "Education without a future isn't worth much. If anything, it worsens the quality of life, because the highly-educated unemployed feel that they have no purpose in life. Poorly-educated people, at least, are content to remain farmers and fishermen. Highly-educated people want a greater purpose in life, and if they can't get jobs, they may resort to misusing their skills in terrible ways". Yes it's true you didn't say that education should be withheld, and my response was a bit splenetic however there is still the implication within "but what happens if he decides he wants more out of life than farming" that you know better and you are saving him from a life of ennui. Surely it should be his or her choice? "if he wants to put his education to good use?" If you believe that involves working in the same area you studied, then consider how many people in the developed world do that. I have a slightly idealistic notion that education should be an end in itself and that it should unlock the potential of the individual. Clearly you are describing a hierarchy of needs and higher education is towards the top of the pyramid, however I still disagree with your conclusions on the outcome of education. It is not the education that causes the ennui, it is the expectation that education brings financial reward, if that is the sole motivation for study then ennui may as you say result. It is possible to find highly qualified people unemployed or doing jobs they hate and/or below their qualification level anywhere in the world.

"Poorly-educated people, at least, are content to remain farmers and fishermen."

I applaud your career and achievements, but that sentence just doesn't sound right.

R_{emember, electromagnets are only copper wiring around a steel/iron rod. Thus, it essence they are just copper wiring and short circuit. Thus they use no electricity.}

Err....no. I beleive those are simply magnets with wire windings.

formula1 "BeSTKGenSet" is a forum on Yahoo Groups which would welcome you with open arms. You are "their kind of guy !"

They will provide you with the real help you seek.

Clearly, thats what it comes down to, unfortunately... I have to look smarter then everyone else to have people think my thoughts hold value.

That was pretty hilarious... I'm guessing what he said made very little sense in terms of science, but he sounded smart. I think I know what you mean by voltage control though. Pretty much I'm letting the entire project run on a mix of the Capacitor and the main generator, and because the main generator will fluxuate in electrical output at higher voltages I would need to figure out some way to make sure it doesn't effect any of the other circuits besides the capacitor allowing a constant electrical flow.

I'm thinking I would control the voltage right after the Capacitor so that what happens is the entire circuit would be working of a constant and maintained amount of energy from the capacitor or the main generator.

I suppose all I can do it change my sketch though, since actually making this machine is not within my power at this point in time... so.... yeah.....

Anyone can build this at any time... I only ask you to contact me about patent...

I'd prefer only those that understand why I said what I said and would be willing to help. However, I'm not always able to wait for my soul mate.... so..... yeah...

Maybe everyone here should make one...
THat way you just prove it to yourselves...
I'll give you a new sketch, when I'm done with it, that takes into account voltage fluxuation/maintaining a constant voltage, More then one electromagnet and has some pretty looking symbols in the corner to make people feel like they are speaking to someone that knows the equation for life itself.

OK. Is it April 1st?

I suppose all I can do it change my sketch though, since actually making this machine is not within my power at this point in time... so.... yeah.....

Cheer up. A bright fifth grader could solder this together for you. Buy a socket for the timer so you don't solder directly to it. The timer will ordinarily come with a data sheet that clearly says how to make it work. If you don't have that sheet, it is available on line, and if you can't find it, the same fifth grader could help you do so.

Good luck. Have fun.

BTW:

and because the main generator will fluxuate

Robin Williams has got nuthin on you!

YEah... I'm going have to wait till my instincts change a bit though... I get so impatient... And I don't know what I'm doing besides the analog idea in my head...

OK it is time for a short comment.........

Help My Brain has capacitated and I can`t get to the point, seem to have been the point.

Free energy for education? All right I am for education! How the free energy ties in I am not sure. E=mXspeed of flashlight shakes squared - simple isn`t it?

Lets calculate all the energy wasted by our experts trying to explain themselfs in a sentence or 40, its likely less than the energy wasted by running the machine?!

OK here it is.......

What about only 1 supercooled - no energy loosing magnet and gravity?

Just kidding! I wouldn`t want to start this all over again... or do we? OK let it be known that patent is mine!

Limits beyond imagination.

What about only 1 supercooled - no energy loosing magnet and gravity?

Actually that will work, but there's the small matter of the energy for the supercooling & to raise the magnet!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Formula1's on the wrong thread, the education argument is over Here

His lack of follow through on his "invention" carries over to his lack of research into the membership of this forum's prevailing attitude when it comes to over-unity claims.

& the pesky need for proof/evidence, to back up unsubstantiated claims.

formula1

I am really trying to figure out why people keep trying to come up with "free energy" and "perpetual motion" devices. I do understand that it is a human thing to try and achieve the as-yet unknown. I can also see the reasoning of "just because a million people have probably thought of this before, maybe they haven't".

What I don't understand is why people will hold on to a pet idea that they have, in spite of overwhelming evidence that their idea will not work. Instead of endeavoring to understand the physics involved, the focus remains - "if I just figure out the right thing it will work!".

Your machine will not work without energy input unless you want to personally "shake the flashlight" for every one of these you sell. But wait, that IS energy input!!

Regards,

Mike

Hi Formula1:

I'd assumed you made this post as a joke, and thought I was playing along with your joke when I made my previous posts. The labels "Potential Owl," "Obvious" and "Electromagnet Uses no electricity to work" all struck me as funny, and I though you were making fun of free energy/over unity/perpetual motion types, who, like you, often include a great deal of extraneous information about motives conspiracies, etc.

It has occurred to me that you may be serious. If that's the case, a schematic would be a much clearer form of presentation, and would take a small fraction of the time required to do your animated colorful drawing. The symbols used are generally common sense -- they often show in pictorial form the function of the item in question. In a switch symbol for example, you can imagine the contacts moving and see where the current would flow in each position. For this circuit, you could learn the symbols in 10 -15 minutes, and sketch up the circuit in a manner easily understood by engineers in 2-3 minutes.

Also helpful would be a one-paragraph description of what the circuit is to accomplish. I am making a guess here, but it looks like you are trying to produce a dc current from an oscillating permanent magnet generator. The timer is used to energize one electromagnet and then another in sequence, to move the permanent magnet back-and-forth in the generator tube. A rectifier is used to change the resulting AC into DC, and a capacitor is used, apparently, to smooth the DC current. (The lead from what looks like an AC outlet to the timer chip has me baffled.)

Work must be done to move the magnets past the generator coil. The greater the load on the generator coil, the more work must be done. The energy for this work is supplied by whatever feeds the electromagnet coils. If you replaced the capacitor with a battery, then you could supply current for the electromagnets for a meaningful length of time. If the electromagnets were very carefully constructed, their output could be about 90% of the electrical input. If the generator coil and magnets are also very carefully constructed, the generator could also operate with 90 percent efficiency (although this would probably not be possible with the very large distance from electromagnet to magnet: 60% might be more realistic). The timer could probably operate with 98% efficiency, and the rectifier might be 95% efficient. So if all went extremely well, the output of the generator would be .90 x.90 x.98 x .95, or 75% of the input from the battery. One would be far ahead to simply use the battery to power something directly -- your machine would be wasting 25% of the battery's energy, and would be making what would otherwise be efficient, inefficient.

In today's world, it would be a shame to waste even more energy than we do now.

1)If the electromagnets were very carefully constructed, their output could be about 90% of the electrical input. If the generator coil and magnets are also very carefully constructed,

2)the generator could also operate with 90 percent efficiency (although this would probably not be possible with the very large distance from electromagnet to magnet: 60% might be more realistic).

1) I wasn't aware that Electormagnets consumed electricity, due to their general property to shortcircuit wiring when alone

2) Considering the fact that electromagnets consume less then the input (since the wires short circuit if it was alone) amounts of electricity, we can increase the quantity of the Generators to how many we want while still giving more electricity then consumed. And since the timer is a constant, the only thing that would need to be factored in was the rectifier (which will not do too much) or the capacitor (which supplies and takes away electricity)

1) I wasn't aware that Electormagnets consumed electricity, due to their general property to shortcircuit wiring when alone

You can see why I thought you were kidding: Of course electromagnets consume electricity -- that's where they get their name. There is no
short circuit in an electromagnet -- in fact there is anything but. The circuit in the typical electromagnet is actually much longer (many times longer) than that of many other devices. I wonder if you think that the wire in an electromagnet is not insulated, because it looks metallic?

2) Considering the fact that electromagnets consume less then the input (since the wires short circuit if it was alone)...

Sorry. I was unable to make any sense of this. It seems to be based on your "short circuit" idea.

MIT offers an absolutely superb series of lectures by Walter Lewin on basic physics, electromagnetism, etc. Its completely free and available to anyone with an internet connection. MITs open courseware is an amazing gift to the world from this prestigious university.

Lewin is an engaging lecturer.

Also, I'd recommend this site by GSU. It is extensively hyperlinked so you can go from absolute basics to moderately advanced content. If you explore and absorb all the links, you will have more knowledge of physics than the average engineer.

Good luck in your quest.

thank you for the links i will have a look in my spare time

Richard

No but they do cause short circuits if they are alone in one. All they are is copper wiring with a metal rod going through it... thats it...

There are several wealthy investors in Nigeria, right now, wanting to get over US$1M out of the country by all accounts. Is this the sort of project they might be tempted to invest in?

Please answer one question. How do plan on generating power thru the use of your shake em up flash-lite? It has to shake to work am I right. How do you plan on shaking it? By hand or mechanical means?

the thing about the shakeable flashlight is what powers it...

-A magnet inside a tube and surrounding the center of the tube is copper wiring...
-The flashlight gets charged by the magnet going past the copper wiring...
--Thus all I would need to move is the magnet...
---I do this using electromagnets hooked up to a timer...
----And the electricity that is created by the shakable flashlight generator is stored in a capacitor/used to power the only thing in the series that uses electricity... the timer...

----And the electricity that is created by the shakable flashlight generator is stored in a capacitor/used to power the only thing in the series that uses electricity... the timer...

Actually every element in the circuit uses electricity [power] which is lost to heat.

in # 62 you state

2) Magnetism isn't something that uses power but rather simply exsists. An iron block simply is magnetic. Electromagnets is just steel that has a negative charge placed upon it. And if you didn't know, steel can be attracted to magnets however can not establish a magnetic attraction by itself. The electrons provide the steel with a negative force, like the way a magnet provides steel a negative force and then naturally the steel creates a positive force on the other end. No electrical friction, simply tricking the steel into thinking its being effected by a magnet. So no energy used.

Try this simple experiment:

Put a steel or iron rod inside of coil, charge the coil with some DC voltage, remove the rod. You will find the the rod is now a weak magnet.

Magnets are made not born.

its not really an element... unless you consider wiring an element....

I wouldn't doubt that wouldn't last long.... Steel isn't easily magnetised

In the sense that I think is meant here, 'element' means 'piece of', not 'chemical' element, so yes, the wiring is an element of the system. And more than the timer is going to be using electricity. The electromagnets you propose to move the permanent magnet back and forth within the coil will use electricity to create the magnetic fields (hence the term 'electro'-magnet which means it is temporarily magnetic while in an electrified state, as compared to 'permanent' magnet which retains the magnetism). This will equal or exceed what electricity is generated, which, along with losses due to friction, heat, etc., will cause it to stop, not continue.

just so ya'll know, I'm seeing common debate of

"How are you supposed to get the initial input?"

-Well, there are two ways...

1) THe obvious... shake the flashlight
2) Put in a precharged capcitor to throw out electricity until the generator starts working

As for the debate... its still not going to happen, and I probably won't get around to reading all the debate posts (no offense, I'm sure you might have a point). However, when it comes down to it, free energy means possible increase in robotics. Increase use of robotics means less human labor. Less human labor means one of many things...

1) Genocide-probably not going to happen
2) the humans can all be supported by the machines-thus a purpose for human life must be found.

If we must look for a purpose, education, sex, drugs, rock and roll seem to be whats left. Thus, our purpose will go towards these things.

Why are you here?

If you don't want to read the replies, why are you asking the question(s)

The energy out won't be equal to or greater than the input, as explained by many different people in many different ways.

If you expect to make a huge break through, you are going have to do the background research & build prototypes & accurately measure the results.

You are in the wrong place for pie in the sky, if you want realistic feedback, you must be willing to do the work & take your lumps when things don't go as planned.

Thats a good call...

-I suppose Its not that I don't want to read every post, its that I'm a bit impatient when it comes to certain comments because they seem more out of just a love for debate rather then actually saying; "There are definite ethics for sure, in this case this probably would/could lead to this. If we want to make this world a better place, taking this route would be the best choice of action"

Instead of "Your wrong, everything is ok the way it is." since clearly its not if people or starving and going through pains that should not benefit anyone.

As for people pointing things out...

1) Electromagnets shortcircuit-all they are is wiring... no special things... just wiring... with a metal rod through it...

2) Magnetism isn't something that uses power but rather simply exsists. An iron block simply is magnetic. Electromagnets is just steel that has a negative charge placed upon it. And if you didn't know, steel can be attracted to magnets however can not establish a magnetic attraction by itself. The electrons provide the steel with a negative force, like the way a magnet provides steel a negative force and then naturally the steel creates a positive force on the other end. No electrical friction, simply tricking the steel into thinking its being effected by a magnet. So no energy used.

The only energy used is the Timer, and potentially the Rectifier and the capacitor.

-However the rectifier would only show electrical resistence based off natural electrical friction, and the capacitor will act as a way for the current to stay constant even when the Magnet of the Shakeable flashlight is not moving through the coper wiring.

This should work... Please, try it...

1) Electromagnets shortcircuit-all they are is wiring... no special things... just wiring... with a metal rod through it...

Look up inductive reactance. The coils are designed for a certain voltage. If you hook up a 24vac coil to 240vac you will create smoke and fire. It will appear as a short circuit but actually there is not enough reactance (resistance) for the higher voltage. In DC coils the resistance of the wire is what prevents the short circuit. Now if you take 12 volts and hook it up to a 12 volt dc electromagnet through an ammeter you will see current is flowing through the circuit. Current times voltage equals wattage or power. This is the power consumed and it is real and cannot be ignored.

From what I can tell of your drawing the timer is applying ac signal to the two bolts and then the center coil is developing the power.

We call this a transformer, many styles and configurations available. I'll give you 95% efficiency at best. Won't happen, but I'll give it to you.

Then you convert the ac to dc through a rectifier to feed the capacitor and run the timer. The rectifier has a .3 to .7 volt drop across it when conducting. This is another loss - Fact of life - Wish we could change but can't.

After studying the display further, I am completely confused. Where do you plan on coming up with a useable voltage source. You can't just hook up a capacitor and a chip to a cord socket and expect it to put out 115 vac! That is the configuration of the outlet. This is utter nonsense, way to much time has been spent on this.

"...way to much time has been spent on this."

You're right, of course. But this is so much fun to read!!!!

So... the reason why an electromagnet creates smoke when hooked up to an outlet alone is because the wire can't handle it?

I don't know about that... especially since it works fine when a lightbulb is in the series...

Do you want me to show the general flow of electricity? What would help you understand it better?

Yes

Good to see that you are still with us (alive I mean) but I am still wondering, do you know the difference between AC (alternating current) and DC (direct current - like a battery)?

It is rather important in this application as your wall outlet (powering your household appliances like toasters and TVs) puts out AC while a capacitor can only store DC. I don't know if it is mentioned anywhere in the above posts but a capacitor will act as a load (like a resistor or length of wire (which also has resistance per unit length)) when AC is applied across it. The part marked obvious is so blatantly WRONG as to baffle the mind (never mind the rest of it). The person who thought up this idea doesn't understand the first thing about AC power!

It just won't work (trust me, I am partly responsible for keeping houses like yours supplied with power, both in the generation of and transmission to).

Why do you think it will (could you provide a link to the site where you got this free energy generator idea from)? Was it a child's home page perhaps?

Could you indicate YOUR age and level of engineering and scientific experience please, I don't think we are reading from the same page (as the saying goes).

I just had to give you a vote for good answer.

(could you provide a link to the site where you got this free energy generator idea from)?

Could you indicate YOUR age and level of engineering and scientific experience please, I don't think we are reading from the same page (as the saying goes).

I am surprised this question wasn't asked before.

Clearly he needs to be less impatient and more willing to read, study and learn.

This looks like another one for the

http://www.lhup.edu/%7EDSIMANEK/museum/unwork.htm

Great link PW - look what I found;

There is no likelihood man can ever tap the power of the atom. The glib supposition of utilizing atomic energy when our coal has run out is a completely unscientific Utopian dream, a childish bug-a-boo. Nature has introduced a few fool-proof devices into the great majority of elements that constitute the bulk of the world, and they have no energy to give up in the process of disintegration.

- Robert A. Millikan (1863-1953) [1928 speech to the Chemists' Club (New York)]

...any one who expects a source of power from the transformation of these atoms is talking moonshine...

- Ernest Rutherford (1871-1937) [1933]

Uh....Radio shack sells this for $4.99. This is big brother watching.

Has any other reader considered the possibility, just, of these postings of suggested over-unity devices being simply a construct by 'big brother' that detracts readers from the real business of this forum?

What? just because he knows exactly which buttons to push?

Sorry kid but you are barking up the wrong tree. This doesn't work. Electricity and electromagnetism do NOT work this way (also the output voltage should be AC, not DC). There are too many things wrong with this for me to try and explain, so I will assume that it has been said by others above.

Is this a joke or are you serious? Look, I could understand if you were 8 years old or something but, seriously, this free energy generator doesn't work.

I suggest you start by learning elementary magnetism and electricity, it will become very obvious to you why this doesn't work and will hopefully save you a visit to the emergency room if you ever decide to plug this device into the wall outlet.