Why Employees Leave Organizations

Haha，holeinthe snow,

are you making mischief?

Look, the sun is rising. the Snow is melting.

cnpower, yes I was making mischief - a slow day in the office. Hope you did not take offence.

Regards

Mr. WA Snow

only have a joke.

dont you like humor?

Yes, of course. I see that you also like humour. So will you be visiting Epke any time soon ?

Read post number 29, guess you did read all the posts.

fact is managering is trying to retain yor resources, resources is employees, employees that can conflict with each other.

It nice to vent and blame the manager, fact remains the door is always open. Use it on your way out.

Hell, right now I can't stand my manager, and I waiting to see which will go first....me getting fed up with he crap and using the door, or him getting canned.

One more thing that you may not have realized managers are employees also.

as the OP title "Why Employees Leave Organizations"

As some posts show the biggest reason is having poor managers. But thats not the only reason, some people love their job, though maybe too much and get burnt out by it.

I experienced both sides, but what I see from your post is like your sitting on a fence and saying this is how it should have been done............sounds like a manager I had.......and a poor one at that. Yes managers can get pissed off too, and put an edge to it, can't they?

Phoenix911, I have absolutely no idea what you are on about. I read your last two posts 104 and 105.

I don't see how you can see that I am "sitting on the fence", perhaps you did not read the post correctly or perhaps this hit too close to the bone. If you are truly a "great" manager/ engineer then you should have no difficulty in finding another position, on the other hand if you are not as good as you think then perhaps it is better that you stay put and hope your manager leaves.

I take it from your post that english is not your first language so perhaps this is where we are having the difficulty. English is not mine either so on that level we are equal.

Kind Regards

Mr. W.A Snow

If you are truly a "great" manager/ engineer then you should have no difficulty in finding another position,

Never said I was, but I did say that was not for me to decide, as far as finding another position, that is for me to decide.

As far as cut and run when things are not to ones standard, a new job is not always the answer.

Fact is when you say something like that just tells me you do not have a clue.

Employees stay for many reasons and put up with crap, and for you to make a statement to just leave is a ridiculous and unknowing statement.

Employees usually stay because they have a commitment to family, Leaving involves risks, I can give plenty of examples, and because of your level of understanding I will.

One employees wife had cancer, the employee stayed on due to the insurance and insurance alone.

As far as the statement "perhaps you did not read the post correctly or perhaps this hit too close to the bone."

Whether speaking as a manager or an employee, when I ask for an opinion or debate I want an answer or opinion even if it would embaress me. Do I take it personally, no. But if the reply is to defends oneself because the original opinion was loosely put I will challenge it.

And english is my first language.

phoenix911

There may be a difference in working climate to consider also in your different cultures. For the US 30 years ago the average number of jobs held by an individual during their working life was 3, currently it is projected at about 17 to 20. The expected average turn over rate for a US employee is every 3 years. Obviously, something has changed in the work environment that causes such a high turn over rate. Considering that such studies are conducted frequently by corporations, and every employee I know of finds it way more problematic to change a job than any corporate HR division finds it to retain new employees, I suspect that the retention issues over employees is caused by the corporate policies, practices and environment. Though admittedly there is always the grass is green effect, where corporate competitors entertain notions to your employees that they have a better working environment, better projects, etc..

As far as retention, it may be cyclic,

In my career, I felt that I was missing out on something, and I felt that it would have been better be able to say, "I did it" , instead of "I should have".

Fortunately, I did not have to be responsible for anybody else exept myself that I could look elsewhere.

phoenix911

I never said that you were a good manager/employee (I don't know you), what I was saying is that if the job is that bad then there is always the option to move. Good managers/employees will aways find another job.

Yes of course there are exceptions as to why people stay in their jobs but for most it is not because theirs spouses have an illness etc. We are dealing with general cases here and not specific ones - I take it that you do understand the difference between a general comment and specific comment ?

"Leaving involves risks" yes and so does driving your car but you still do it.

"just tells me you do not have a clue" & "because of your level of understanding I will" - You know nothing about me and my personal circumstances therefore for you to make such a statement makes me think that you are an .... well I better not write what I am thinking because Admin would probably pull the post (but you can probably fill in the blanks).

Apologies for the language comment, it just came across that way when I read your previous posts.

Regards

Mr. W.A Snow

Mr. W.A Snow,

I'm sorry that you are taking it personally, but your earlier posts you were using a very large brush, and making statements as though you know, e.i. talking loose. That is what I challenged.

Managers have to make hard decisions that can effect peoples lives, as well as people that are being managed or that are working for other people.

When I read your earlier post how easy it is to leave because life is short. life is what you make of it, it may not be the best, but you play the best hand thats dealt to you, and its up to you to believe it, some peoples decisions are limited on what can be done.

And when I hear people make statements as thou they are wise and all knowing only to have never been there and admitting it, is hypocritical. As I stated earlier a fence sitter that leans which way the wind blows.

Business is not a welfare program, but it doesn't have to be cold either.

phoenix911

I suggest you re-read my earlier posts again. What I was trying to convey is that it is not worth letting the job get to you - it is afterall only a job. If a job is making you unhappy then you can bet that is also making your family unhappy - how many people can leave work and just switch off, most tend to bring some aspect of their job home with them. Why get all worked up over a job when there is another job somewhere else.

"but your earlier posts you were using a very large brush" - this is because this is a general converstion . Whether ou agree or not a majority of people people stay in their jobs because they have gotten used to the big house, two cars and two holidays a year. They don't leave because they are afraid to take the chance. Before you go off on one again please note that this is a general comment and of course there are people who have to stay because for various reasons.

I would suggest from your responses that you are perhaps a good bit older than I am so perhaps this is a generation thing. I would also suggest that you are not European (I do not see a location in your avatar) - please do not see this as an insult or anything like that. Europeans move quite often between countries for work purposes and also out of Europe for that matter (the buliding industry is probably a prime example of this). I suppose this is possible because Europe is quite small when compared to Asia, Africa or the US.

I am no expert in this area and I doubt that many people here are, we are all expressing an opinion - thats all. You should learn to accept that people have differnt opinions on various matters.

I apologise if I have somehow upset you, this was not my intention.

Kind Regards

Mr. W.A Snow

No need to apoligize, this being an open forum it is also is an open debate on different viewpoints.

I do not know about bringing up age difference or there being a generation gap, 48 is not that old, but I do agree viewpoints on work and work ethic may and do differ.

I have found that when things are debateable with a difference of opinion, when debates would go personal. Which may mean the subject matter may be weak and that is the only way to defend.

One thing about management as I stated earlier, people are resources, cold as that sounds, but they are still resources, you don't take care of them thier gone. But as a manager you still have a job to do, and that may mean letting someone who is a good person go.

I've learn early on, when people come to complain about poor work conditions, environment, problems or issues. They also better come with an idea to help make it better, and I let them know that, but usually they are only complaining to hear themselve speak. And frankly they'll never be happy.

And no I do not see it as an insult, nor do I see it as winning or losing, this is an open international forum, that I enjoy, I'm sure you also.

One problem that I do have, I can come off as blunt. And that I'm am still working on.

good day,

phoenix911

I am posting my comment 93 again as it seems no body seems to have noticed it. I would like to have your views on this comment;-

Now a days there is different terminology used for different industries. Old technologies like Mechanical,electrical,civil engineering is called "Brick & Mortar" industries. Whereas Information & Technology is call "New Technology". People who choose old technology are paid less but have to sweat in factories and put in hard work in tough working conditions.Whereas people who choose "New Technology" are paid fabulously more.They work in spunky offices and enjoy luxurious conditions.

Also there is another breed of MBAs,who are real parasites.They get placements from the top companies at very attractive packages.These young boys who have never seen such a large amount of money, burst it out in many ways.Their contribution to the organisations is very rarely worth compared to their pay packages.They are showy people experts in writing direct mail letters and giving rosy presentations to clients and their managements.

To-day many financial institution like Lehman,Morgan Stanley have busted only because of this tribe, as these companies were top hirers in the campus.Otherwise why Lehman a 150 years old bank should declare Bankruptcy.

God save the investors.

Any arrangement that claims to extract cash, without providing tangible benefit should properly be referred to using the term: "Smoke & Mirrors"

Many of the newbie management's problems arise from the over-application of a single theory (even one that would be excellent as part of a system). Take as an example JIT in a manufacturing enterprise; item arrives + it's out of specification, but since it is required immediately, recieving inspection is void. Rework costs are absorbed & vendor is off the hook because parts were accepted. Now, here's the real failure: next month, same scenario! Too ridgid adherance to the mantra, though it's a good component in a management system.

over-application of a single theory (even one that would be excellent as part of a system)

I have also seen managers implementing latest management theory/strategy as they come out, with out seeing how the effect the last one had taken. Usually from managers grasping for something tangible when the problem was them themselves.

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Also there is another breed of MBAs,who are real parasites.They get placements from the top companies at very attractive packages.These young boys who have never seen such a large amount of money, burst it out in many ways.Their contribution to the organisations is very rarely worth compared to their pay packages.They are showy people experts in writing direct mail letters and giving rosy presentations to clients and their managements.

To-day many financial institution like Lehman,Morgan Stanley have busted only because of this tribe, as these companies were top hirers in the campus.Otherwise why Lehman a 150 years old bank should declare Bankruptcy.

God save the investors."

Just a question: Is there any real calculus in the currently fashionable investment practise known as 'derivatives'?

Though i guess if you are a manager, loan officer, or executive for a large enough banking interest the governemnt will bail you out when you fail because of your zero down home loans to people who make less than the interest of the loan, and happen to get highly invested throughout the derivatives market. Some financial advisors truly believe the downfall of such entities would be a world catastrophy on par with a extinction event such as the meteor strike at the ended the cretaceous.

Good advice found here:

http://cr4.globalspec.com/thread/40197?frmtrk=cr4sd#comment424265

Hi to You too,

Very good piece of work here and very very true, I have been subject to this kind of abuse many times. There is another level to this, and that is the Second in Charge who can very often subject the other employees to a much worse fate.

Firstly if these people are being allowed to get away with such treatment , then:

1. Manager chooses to let 2IC dole out the punishment because he is weak.

2. Other employees havn't got the guts to defend themselves because they are weak.

3. Some 2ICs must be sooo smart that they know how to play their own game.

So where does that leave the rest of us. Well we all need to be multiskilled and if we didn,t have the evil abusers we wouldn,t get to learn about other jobs and particually how to treat people with the respect they deserve. Let us find a common ground and keep the bastards honest.

Akua.