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Scale for Crackpot Theories on CR4

12/16/2008 11:03 AM

We all know crackpot theories when we see them, theories of perpetual motion machines, cheap energy generation or the tried and true classic "theory of everything". They're long, they're nebulous, and most of the time, they are just plain crazy. Till now we've only been able to rank them qualitatively, but now we can do so much more.

I'm proud to present The Crackpot Index, an index developed by the good folks at the Math Department of the University of California Riverside (Thanks John Baez).

The Crackpot Index

John Baez

A simple method for rating potentially revolutionary contributions to physics:

  1. A -5 point starting credit.
  2. 1 point for every statement that is widely agreed on to be false.
  3. 2 points for every statement that is clearly vacuous.
  4. 3 points for every statement that is logically inconsistent.
  5. 5 points for each such statement that is adhered to despite careful correction.
  6. 5 points for using a thought experiment that contradicts the results of a widely accepted real experiment.
  7. 5 points for each word in all capital letters (except for those with defective keyboards).
  8. 5 points for each mention of "Einstein", "Hawkins","Tesla" or "Feynman".
  9. 10 points for each claim that quantum mechanics is fundamentally misguided (without good evidence).
  10. 10 points for pointing out that you have gone to school, as if this were evidence of sanity.
  11. 10 points for beginning the description of your theory by saying how long you have been working on it. (10 more for emphasizing that you worked on your own.)
  12. 10 points for mailing your theory to someone you don't know personally and asking them not to tell anyone else about it, for fear that your ideas will be stolen.
  13. 10 points for offering prize money to anyone who proves and/or finds any flaws in your theory.
  14. 10 points for each new term you invent and use without properly defining it.
  15. 10 points for each statement along the lines of "I'm not good at math, but my theory is conceptually right, so all I need is for someone to express it in terms of equations".
  16. 10 points for arguing that a current well-established theory is "only a theory", as if this were somehow a point against it.
  17. 10 points for arguing that while a current well-established theory predicts phenomena correctly, it doesn't explain "why" they occur, or fails to provide a "mechanism".
  18. 10 points for each favorable comparison of yourself to Einstein, or claim that special or general relativity are fundamentally misguided (without good evidence).
  19. 10 points for claiming that your work is on the cutting edge of a "paradigm shift".
  20. 20 points for emailing me and complaining about the crackpot index. (E.g., saying that it "suppresses original thinkers" or saying that I misspelled "Einstein" in item 8.)
  21. 20 points for suggesting that you deserve a Nobel prize.
  22. 20 points for each favorable comparison of yourself to Newton or claim that classical mechanics is fundamentally misguided (without good evidence).
  23. 20 points for every use of science fiction works or myths as if they were fact.
  24. 20 points for defending yourself by bringing up (real or imagined) ridicule accorded to your past theories.
  25. 20 points for naming something after yourself. (E.g., talking about the "The Evans Field Equation" when your name happens to be Evans.)
  26. 20 points for talking about how great your theory is, but never actually explaining it.
  27. 20 points for each use of the phrase "hidebound reactionary".
  28. 20 points for each use of the phrase "self-appointed defender of the orthodoxy".
  29. 30 points for suggesting that a famous figure secretly disbelieved in a theory which he or she publicly supported. (E.g., that Feynman was a closet opponent of special relativity, as deduced by reading between the lines in his freshman physics textbooks.)
  30. 30 points for suggesting that Einstein, in his later years, was groping his way towards the ideas you now advocate.
  31. 30 points for claiming that your theories were developed by an extraterrestrial civilization (without good evidence).
  32. 30 points for allusions to a delay in your work while you spent time in an asylum, or references to the psychiatrist who tried to talk you out of your theory.
  33. 40 points for comparing those who argue against your ideas to Nazis, stormtroopers, or brownshirts.
  34. 40 points for claiming that the "scientific establishment" is engaged in a "conspiracy" to prevent your work from gaining its well-deserved fame, or suchlike.
  35. 40 points for comparing yourself to Galileo, suggesting that a modern-day Inquisition is hard at work on your case, and so on.
  36. 40 points for claiming that when your theory is finally appreciated, present-day science will be seen for the sham it truly is. (30 more points for fantasizing about show trials in which scientists who mocked your theories will be forced to recant.)
  37. 50 points for claiming you have a revolutionary theory but giving no concrete testable predictions.
  38. 50 points for claiming to be the Messiah (without good evidence)
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Re: Scale for Crackpot Theories on CR4

12/16/2008 11:07 AM

#8 should include Tesla.....

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12/16/2008 10:47 PM

I can't imagine what Tesla would think about having all those half-baked walking freakshows, PerpMo's and GTUs following in his train and invoking his name at the slightest mention of Free Energy. For my part, I would find the whole thing totally humiliating.

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12/16/2008 11:04 PM

Well, Tesla did claim to have been in regular contact with a technologically advanced extraterrestrial civilization that uses zero-point energy.....

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12/16/2008 11:25 PM

Says who?

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12/19/2008 7:25 PM

And maybe he (Tesla) was..

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12/16/2008 11:37 PM

That's 5 points for you!

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Re: Scale for Crackpot Theories on CR4

12/16/2008 11:17 AM

#37 could include some language about how you have to keep all details secret until you get a patent (which, naturally, is under review). And that, until then, we should all just take your word for it that it works.

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12/16/2008 11:18 AM

Bonus points should be given if you give a patent number which no one can locate.

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12/16/2008 2:03 PM

Bonus points should be awarded if the patent is mentioned numerous times but no patent number is given, even when asked for to help explain sketchy and contradictory explanations by the "inventor". When you locate and post the patent number the "inventor" screams at you for "attempting to steal" his/her patent.

Additional bonus points if you are then threatened with a "lawsuit of the century" for posting the patent number.

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Ha!

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12/16/2008 11:48 AM

20 years ago today Sargent Pepper performed a modified lobotomy on me. I had just finished creating a teleportation/time machine. Tesla was there and can ascribe to this. They told me it was for the good of the world that these secrets would be hidden. I had a patent but it was removed from record by use of my machine. (See I told them it would work!!!) We did a short trip back to visit Mr.Einstein and he corroborated all my theories and computations. (This I have proof of if I can only remember where my dog was told to bury it!) Traitorous dog!!! Anyway, once I get back to the north pole on Marz. (Yes we spell it with a Z) I will send an E-Mail with all the pertinent information I can recall, after the lobotomy has been reversed.

Finally all those who did this to me will be trembling in there brown shirts, Whilst I watch this on Judge Judy! My day will come!!!

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12/16/2008 11:50 AM

I think you may have shattered the 300 point mark.

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12/16/2008 12:17 PM

Can I buy shares? They will doubtless be worth more than anything from the current financial institutions.

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12/16/2008 1:00 PM

Shall we already start to use it?

Will Chris introduce a specific line for it or do we have to write explicitly what we think and how many points we give?

It will be good to have a unity of presentation.

I suggest the form "CPTP= XXXXXX"

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12/16/2008 1:05 PM

Hey Roger - Great topic - This American Life (Chicago Public Radio) did a great radio show back in July on the topic of "crackpot" theories, called "A Little Bit of Knowledge". I take continuing education courses from time to time to keep my own from getting too out of control. - Larry

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12/16/2008 1:17 PM

How about 20 pts. for the claim that as soon as you turn on you device, helicopters appear over you house within minutes. Oh, and it caused you to beed.......down there.

Or how about another 20 pts, if you claim to be the Messiah, about to save the world with free energy.

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12/16/2008 1:30 PM

I think claims of being the Messiah should be an automatic 50 points. I'm adding it to the list.

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12/16/2008 2:11 PM

#31 30 points for claiming that your theories were developed by an extraterrestrial civilization (without good evidence).

Additional points if evidence is provided but it is less than helpful (such as exact time and GPS coordinates of alien contact 4 years ago).

Major additional points if a link to a picture of the extraterrestrials is provided and not only is the picture on a completely different website not related to the "inventor" (such as the.truth.is.out.there.org), it is also clip-art.

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12/16/2008 2:23 PM

You left out the part about "my prototype doesn't work and I just need someone to put up some capital so I can perfect it".

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12/16/2008 2:23 PM

This is of course the current record holder (total number of points: incalculable)

Time Cube Theory

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12/16/2008 2:34 PM

At the risk of my life, I must issue a GRAVE WARNING to my fellow Americans - about a potential Civil War between millions if Obama, the Black candidate, is elected President of the United States, displacing the white president - inducing America to become a Black Nation.

Wow - you gotta believe this guy. I heard the same thing from Rush Limbaugh!

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12/16/2008 2:49 PM

I hadn't been to that website in a while. It appears to have become much less a weird alternate theory website and has degenerated into insane rantings. It used to be comical but I don't think it is anymore. Sorry I posted it. If you go to the third page it should be at least a little bit less vicious and more quacky.

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12/16/2008 2:50 PM

Timecube was so much more fun when the crazy science/mathematics was more prominent than the crazy racial hate.

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12/20/2008 5:56 PM

Wow! Hate writ large.

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12/16/2008 6:22 PM

Ah boy, I haven't been call that many names since I was married. So, just what the hell is this quack talking about? (It's a rhetorical question). Ladies and gentlemen, we have our yardstick.

So gimme, gimme, gimme, when do we start using our new system? It sounds like sooooo much fun.

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12/18/2008 9:29 AM

"Ah boy, I haven't been call that many names since I was married."

So what makes you think she's stopped?

Either way

You get a GA

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12/16/2008 10:15 PM

HUMANS ARE ALL STUPID! THAT IS WHY THEY FAIL TO SEE THE GREATEST TRUTH IN THE HISTORY OF THE UNIVERSE! WE ARE NOT ALONE IN THIS CUBIC UNIVERSE! I, DOCTOR GENE RAY, THE WISEST MAN WHO EVER LIVED IN ALL OF HISTORY, AM LIVING PROOF OF THAT, FOR I HAIL FROM THE GREATEST PLANET IN THE CUBIC UNIVERSE, FOR I HAIL FROM THE ONLY PERFECT PLANET, HTRAE, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bizarro_World BECAUSE IT IS THE ONLY PLANET THAT IS A PERFECT CUBE. AND YOU PATHETIC MINDLESS FOOLS WHO READ SUPERMAN COMICS DARE CALL MY HOMEWORLD "BIZARRO WORLD" WHEN YOUR PLANET IS A RETARDED SPHERE!

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12/17/2008 10:06 AM

That does it. I'm busting out my light saber.

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12/17/2008 6:40 AM

If you can't understand someone, they're either very smart or crazy. You shouldn't confuse the two. This one, obviously, is the latter!

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12/19/2008 11:42 PM

You are correct Roger. This guy is out there. He even has Solomon Azar - noblefuse beat by a considerable margin.

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12/20/2008 3:05 PM

That was REALLY REALLY MEAN. I went to that web site and now my brain fell out and my iq dropped a whole lot (this is real bad cause I didn't have much to start with. note my name)

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12/16/2008 5:34 PM

Deduct 100 if it's marketed by Kris DelTM as it's obviously bona fido .

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Re: Scale for Crackpot Theories on CR4

12/17/2008 3:16 AM

Hi Roger and Chris,

I think the Index should be sent to the thread New CR4 Rating and Score System needed. and adapted for CR4 ratings.

What about of a rating based on 38 criteria ?(well we could round it to 40 or maybe 50)

Really funny thread

Kind regards

PS. Sorry I've tried by I don't find the "Funny thread rating button"

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12/17/2008 3:47 AM

I have written an Automatic Crackpot Theory Scanner, based on the list, and integrated it into CR4. It currently scans all posts, but unfortunately I have not yet incorporated the code to distinguish a Theory from any other (collection of) statements.

There does not seem to be a category for "Plain Bull***t".

CRACKPOT THEORY INDEX RATING: -5

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12/17/2008 8:39 AM

Maybe you just need some working capital to get it up and running! Anyone for putting up some cash?

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12/17/2008 9:37 AM

I built the hardware version, but that link from #14 just blew it up.

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12/17/2008 9:37 AM

OMG! Global Warming just scored a 600+.

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12/17/2008 10:14 AM

I wondered when someone would throw the global warming card.

Where's the anti-evolution guy?

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SSSHHHH!! Don't write loud, he's watching us...

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12/17/2008 10:50 AM

Surely he's still sitting banging stones together?

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12/17/2008 10:59 AM

He's playing Rock, Paper & Scissors, sans paper & scissors. Dr. Leakey showed us how they did it way back when.

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12/17/2008 12:51 PM

Don't worry, all the anti-evolution guys are currently distracted in other threads where I'm debating / arguing with them. Yes, I have some free time.

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12/17/2008 2:22 PM

No we're not! At least not all of us.

I do love the Bizarro comic though, he is one of my (many) favorite cartoonists.

I am a creationist, just don't ask me how or how long it took. I wasn't invited to watch it happen.

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01/01/2009 8:55 PM

Did someone say anti evolution!

Why, just look at my avatar - I MUST be anti evolution!

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12/17/2008 12:09 PM

The point value for this item should be infinity, due to Godwin's Law.

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Re: Scale for Crackpot Theories on CR4

12/17/2008 1:09 PM

There are many of these individuals that fall into the scammer/crackpot inventor/self-deluded/follower-of-other-crackpot-ideas/attention-seeker/conspiracy-theorist/liar/etc, but what about the cases where the individual is suffering from rather serious mental problems?

I know the line between the two groups can become rarther blurry, but I think timecube.com may be one of them. Sure a scammer or attention-seaker can spin a wild story and get people to believe it, but it takes a special mind to really "put the icing on the cake". There are just some things a sane-minded person could not come up with.

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12/17/2008 1:56 PM

"There are just some things a sane-minded person could not come up with."

You got that right! It's clear the guy's not all there. But at least most of these wacko's have a concept that, well, you can perceive. Not this guy, I have no idea at all what his theory is all about. Zip, nada, nothing.

Or is it that I not bright enough to have even a simple clue?

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12/18/2008 9:13 AM

I think it's what happens when you accidentally swallow a Rubiks cube.

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12/17/2008 2:05 PM

That's true..but ultimately dependent upon your definition of sane. Recall that for quite some time the gay community was regarded as insane. I'm sure that many examples can be thought of that most everyone can agree are not thinking rationally, but determining sanity is a tricky and sometimes time-dependent practice.

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12/17/2008 2:20 PM

On the flip side, anyone who hasn't been a little crazy at least once in their life hasn't lived.

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12/17/2008 8:40 PM

Nope, i consider my the pinnacle of sanity, it is just the rest of the world that is crazy

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12/17/2008 10:59 PM

As Merle Haggard used to sing, "I've always been crazy, but it's kept me from going insane!"

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12/18/2008 12:41 AM

Wasn't that Waylon Jennings? Or have you really lost it?

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12/18/2008 9:02 AM

OOPS!!!

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12/18/2008 7:19 AM

Admitting you have a problem is the first step to a recovery.

I used to be indecisive.... Now I'm not sure.

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12/18/2008 8:05 AM

I used to be a Werewolf...
But I'm alright nowooooowoooooow .

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12/18/2008 9:03 AM

I used to think, therefore I probably was.

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12/18/2008 9:03 AM

nowooooowoooooow?

It doesn't sound cat-like! (At least to this side of the pond)

BTW, How can a werewolf become a cat? Just for information/curiosity

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12/18/2008 9:22 AM

"How can a werewolf become a cat? Just for information/curiosity"

What! You never heard of cross-dressers?

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12/18/2008 9:30 AM

Sorry. My awful knowledge of English language make me confuse the words "become" and "seem". I'm just a poor "Typical Spanish guy"

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12/18/2008 9:37 AM

Well then, say it in Spanish! Ain't no law here that says "¡Hablan Inglés, por favor!"

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12/18/2008 9:42 AM

Your English seems=becomes fine. It appears Del's appearances are in question.

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12/17/2008 3:40 PM

Well, I went to the timecube link and that putz is off the hook crazy, but I think I know why. You'd go off your rocker too if your alarm clock went off four times a day...

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12/17/2008 3:54 PM

The round earth, and the earth not being the center of the universe were also considered crackpot theories in thier time.

When I was in school we were told that computers would one day be small, about the size of a book. Everyone knew that at that time you needed a large room to house one computer... that must have been a very crackpot sort of thing to say at that time also.

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12/17/2008 8:15 PM

How about 100 points for saying you're writing a book about it, but haven't collected all the data yet to write it.

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12/18/2008 9:43 AM

See you crackpots next year. Gotta go load that sleigh...

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12/18/2008 1:19 PM

Are there points for actually making a product, trying to sell it and the FDA recalling it?

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VIBE Machine consists of technologies based on the theories of Lakhovsky, Tesla, Rife and Clark. Using these pioneering techniques, the device increases the cellular frequency amplitude back to its "original" healthy state.

http://vibetechnology.net/

http://www.fda.gov/foi/warning_letters/s6745c.htm

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12/18/2008 3:14 PM

Could the Vibe be used to generate hydrogen?

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No, it is useful only in separating suckers from their money.

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12/18/2008 4:26 PM

This technology has been around for years in various forms. The earliest vibe technology I know of involved two people holding you upside down, shaking you violently until the money was freed from your pockets.

It appears that the end result is still the same.

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12/19/2008 8:51 AM
  • Does it come with a lamp shade?
  • Where do they add the snake oil?

I sent them an email and asked them this.

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12/18/2008 6:13 PM

How about some points for saying that "No computer will ever need more than 64K of memory"?

Thanks for the memories: Bill

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12/19/2008 7:58 AM

Hi Kilowatt0 (Bill?) - I think I heard one of the Commodore 64 owners say that to a lesser-resourced Atari kid at an after-school meeting of my high school computer club (Guilderland HS, Guilderland Center, NY), circa 1983.

I barely qualfied to come to those meetings, considering my meager 5K VIC-20, with external cassette tape drive. 64K did seem like a big deal back in those days!!

Amazingly, those Commodore folks are still out there - I keep seeing them advertise meetings on a local CATV public access channel. I'm still working up the courage to go to one of the Commodore meetings some day, just to see who's there.

Many thanks for taking me back!

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12/19/2008 9:26 AM

When I was foolish enough to go to time share sales gatherings, one of the prizes that I had won was a Timex-Sinclare computer. The external tape drive was optional. I may still have some of that crap in the back of my closet.

Are you anywhere near the Walter Truck Company? I dealt with them for many years. Some good people there.

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12/19/2008 1:18 PM

I was refering to a quote supposedly made by Bill Gates, waaay back when!

Back in those days we were putting together Heathkit H-8 computers to monitor and control an industrial plant. Those were the good/bad old days!

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12/19/2008 9:30 AM

Schauberger?

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12/19/2008 12:35 PM

I believe the correct spelling is;

Chewbacca. No offence intended.

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12/19/2008 11:49 AM

Funny stuff.

How come my eight year old can spell and punctuate better than these paradigm jumpers?

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12/19/2008 12:24 PM

'Paradigm' gotta be worth a few points, as has "Mind set" (especially if you waggle your fingers )

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12/20/2008 12:39 AM

20 cents. "Pair o' dimes" should be plural!

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12/20/2008 2:34 AM

what does varify mean?

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12/20/2008 4:07 AM

It's like verify but for claims which vary as soon as they are questioned I'd guess?

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12/22/2008 11:52 AM

It's not as complicated as it may seem: i see things redesigned because of one loud voice rather than several quiet, yet valid points. i also see young designers and engineers bowing to the loud voice. They work twice as hard because they didn't defend their design up front.

No big deal. Just something to put in the signature area. Never thought it would provoke. Back to lurking me thinks.

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12/23/2008 8:32 AM

Naw, stick around. Some day you'll get to poke fun back!

The old Henny Youngman joke: "Don't go away mad, just go away!", doesn't apply to you . . . , yet!

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12/19/2008 11:34 PM

Great Idea - I'd like to nominate Solomon Azar aka "noblefuse". Many of us here know him well. He has a couple of vids on U Tube where he claims to be the messiah - NO I AM NOT KIDDING. His score would reach the moon.

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12/20/2008 10:17 AM

"His score would reach the moon."

How do you think he got to Earth, anyway? By walking here on those crackpot scores?

Well, yes.

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12/20/2008 12:38 PM

Hey Roger,

you should post some more in

New CR4 Rating and Score System needed.

I got shot down just for suggesting three ratings!

We need some more ideas, but don`t forget your bullet proof vest!

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12/20/2008 2:24 PM

Mirco,

I gave you a good answer in that post, because I understood what you were after. However, you did not get shot down for giving suggestions. You got shot down for apparently not listening and responding to what was being suggested.. it is more of a communication issue. Don't take it personally. Think of it as a clarification of what a lot of users expect in communications, on CR4, and in person.

For example, imagine a hypothetical conversation between 2 imaginary people, where one person is talking, and the second person is talking on a related subject, but not paying any attention to the first, etc. It isn't really a discussion. There is an expectation of listening, interacting, responding, evaluating, and adjusting one's POV.. so that these discussions are educational and evolutionary.

I think you are an intelligent person with a lot to contribute. Make sure that what you are reading is actually being critical of you, before you take it personally. This is supposed to be a discussion of issues, and sometimes that is 'No holds barred"... Most of these engineering and science professionals are well versed in the arena where they must allow ideas to stand for themselves. It doesn't pay to sieze onto an idea so hard that it becomes a part of yourself.

Even if the criticism is of you, it is probably more about your communications.. so that once that is improved, the conversation can continue. Communications is something we all have to work on, regardless of our native language. Even if we speak english fluently, it doesn't mean we can write well, or spell well, and in a forum where all is written, it becomes extremely important to know what your words are actually saying, instead of just what one wants them to say.

I looked at your website, and you clearly a creative and intelligent person... Just think of the comments made on the other post as an opportunity to improve written communication skills. I've had a few criticisms, and yes they can sting. Your professionalism shows when you are willing to learn from others, even under duress and criticism. We are all teachers too, so take a longer view, and release the pain of criticism.

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12/20/2008 5:53 PM

Chris,

Too bad you marked your post off-topic, because this point for you would've gotten you halfway to a full GA.

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12/22/2008 8:59 AM

Obviously he enjoys the challenge of getting 7 votes for a GA, instead of the measly 2 points normally required.

At this point, he is 2/7 of the way to his goal!

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12/22/2008 11:08 AM

I put it as off-topic because it has nothing to do with crackpot theories. (unless my theorizing is considered crackpot.. lol)

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12/23/2008 6:25 AM

As far as "Dr." Gene Ray the wisest human and cubist and Solomon Azar a.k.a. 'noblefuse' are concerned, crackpot does apply, but I feel that something should also be mentioned about the crack pipe they must be hitting.

These guys really do top the charts on the point system but they are so far out there, who could beat them, really? It's just not fair, I never win anything

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