Why So Many Guests?

There has always been more guests than members here. Many forums require you to register before you can post. But Globalspec is a for profit company, and the more people that participate, the more attention it brings to their company the better. A smart move on their part, and I have no problem with that.

I suppose many guests are just moving through. Some have reasons to not register. I'm not sure I understand that, as you can be completely autonomous here. You can make up a name, even make up where you are from, no one cares.

But I really think there's a dark side to the "guest" moniker. They can say anything they please, without consequence. It's basically a "no balls" position. It gives a totally irresponsible way to say anything. Sometimes, a way to just agitate, without recourse to the valid, registered member. Often, I think "guest" actually argues with himself. No life, I guess.

looks like everyone in this mini thread is not that interested in the original post.

I agree with the original thread.

CR4 should thick of keeping the forum open to only those, who have registered.

This need not limit the number of people, as registration is free. Besides, no additional information other than some name is compulsory.

These guests many time send

unstudied questions and irresponsible comments.

No guests should be allowed (except one Mr. Guest... who may also register in some other name)

We members also possible hide ourself under name Guest, when we want to criticize some body in bad way. We should be open in this matter.

Dead on Bricktop. I didn't realize this until the post about engineers. Guess i'm just a little slow about some things.

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It all goes back to Bricktop's "say anything" comment in #1. Some folks have NO sense of decorum.

Guest IS my avatar, I just have a lot of free time.

That's a lie, I'm just a coward.

You wouldn't be referring to me, would you?

(because I would have to take offence to the split personality disorder)

You stated

"You wouldn't be referring to me, would you?"

(because I would have to take offence to the split personality disorder)"

Wouldn't it have been more correct to say, "because WE would have to take offence to the split personality disorder"

Just a little humor to get the weekend off to a good start.

I am a relatively new member and have only posted a few times. As I have learned the ropes of this arena, I have noticed that there does seem to be a large number of "Guest" postings, but I'm not sure that I really mind that so much.

As I am not a degreed engineer, I sometimes feel intimidated by some of the more technical answers given here, but I have always found useful information, weather it be from "Guest" or any other user.

I guess (to make a short story much longer than it has to be) I am trying to say that if someone has something to say, let them say it, but entering it as a register user just seems to give the group a more personal and recognizable appearance.

This even applies to the "off topic" and other more "manure" invested posts. We all need to laugh once in a while.

Dear sir,

Yes ,It is correct there are too many guests on this forum. I think one may be not sure about won statement / openion about the subjects he/she write ,so do not want to disclose won identity. In fact this fourm is great advantag us to know about some one what ever he /she is ,form any where from the glob. this fourm is not knolage testing forum but , I think to exchange one others views /opinions about the any subject /problem .

Thanks to this fourm ,at east I get so many thing to know from the members and users of this fourm. 'THANKS AND 'HAPPY NEW YEAR'.

Request to 'GUESTS ' to become a member, let us know about each others , our views /opinion abut all subject come on this fourm. Do not hide yourself,no body will laugh at you , even you post wrong / incorrect opinion on the subject . I take this as globle frinds making fourm. Useful for every body.

Thank you.

V.D.DEODHAR.

though i am a member i keep forgetting my password; being a lazy person, i resort to the easier path - post as a guest

upsidedown

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MALLIPATNA please visit SRI RANGAPATNA, you will never forget your password. Ha Ha Ha

Good, congratulations.

Atleast you remember your name, city and country

As long as the guest does not carry a weapon or behaves like a "Know All" he is welcomed by this community. It has worked for many other cultures in the past and needs improving. Always. She'll be right!! Ky.

There have been several threads regarding this topic. I think the forum was set up to accommodate people who may only have an occasional question and do not spend a lot of time here, as well as for people who seem to do little else. In fact, one member once suggested a category above "guru" called "do you ANY work?" To me, the open architecture and casual structure makes this a much more user-friendly place. Those who for whatever reason choose NOT to register as a member are still welcome (though occasionally frustrating by their numbers). Sometimes it is less entertaining, but sometimes to read "guest" arguing a point with "guest" is just funny! Those who are irritating enough to cause problems are not to be found here very long, it seems, and that can, I am told, be true of registered members as well. My biggest gripe is that when a guest posts a really good answer, a GA vote is futile because they do not get the individual accolade they are entitled to. I still sometimes vote a GA to a guest, but I always feel like it's a waste.

How in the world did I manage to stay on-topic so long???

May be people is in vacation,(holydays?),far from their computers and participates as guests:easier than check in using your avatar from other computer.-

Your christian analogy doesn't apply, a guest in a real world has a face, a voice, and other singular defining features. You may not know the person, but you can recognize them in the future. There's a difference.

In rereading my post I don't see how I mixed up the Christian part with the Guest part.

I replied to the "Why so many Guests" OP and then proceeded to add the rest in relation to a couple of asides about "Socialism". If you're saying in an oblique way that the rest was "off topic" that is very true. Otherwise, I don't follow your line of reasoning about my line of reasoning.

Overall a good post, and I rated it as such.

BTW Bart Ehrman (while a New Testament scholar and a professor of religious studies) is not a Christian, he considers himself agnostic, just an FYI...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bart_Ehrman

You are quite correct. Bart Ehrman is indeed and agnostic. But in the introduction to his book, "Misquoting Jesus" he gives a summary of his spiritual life and why the book was written. He was about as devout a Christian as you could find for many years. So it is a bit misleading to post, that according to Wikipedia, he is an agnostic. He got to that place to a large degree because of his devoutness and his total immersion in religous education/training, to learn "the truth". To say he is an agnostic makes it sound like his view should not be examined because, after all, he is not a Christian. For those interested, please read his introduction to the book and you can better decide whether or not he is saying something worth knowing.

I only mentioned him in what I wrote because as Mr. Ehrman mentions in the introduction to this book, most Christians are totally unaware of what is called "textual criticism". (And that doesn't mean critical in the negative sense but more allied to a companion work - critique.)

OH NO, Its me... I'm 'Guest'... how can this be...

So apparently if you post anonymously you become absorbed by the borg... er the Guest... Resistance is futile!

I only mentioned it to clarify that if one is looking for a Christian perspective, in my opinion Bart Ehrman is not it, regardless of where he came from.

Now if you are looking for someone to support a view that Christianity is a myth, Bart Ehrman is one of your best references...

Myth?... I think a better description would be that if one (even a Christian) examines the evidence as presented -- that sources matter. And deciding whether or not any of them describe Jesus' teachings as he originally presented them is moot since, as far as we know, there is no written record that can be traced back to him personally. In fact, I think if one looks, one can find "Christian" scholars who would admit as much. So on that score, it hardly matters where Ehrman has "ended up" and still is relevant "how" he got there. Is this not where Faith comes in?

I remember in a Philosophy class I took once, the professor said Mysticism is a part of religion that is less subject to "argument" because only the mystic knows what he has experienced and it is often not reducible to words, written or spoken. So how can it be proved or refuted? From that perspective, seeking a mystical experience of God or whatever one wants to call it carries much more weight than intellectually deciding what to believe or not. Reading about water and actually drinking it are hardly related to each other. Comparing mystical experiences across different religous traditions, that have been described or written can be instructive. In the same way that "near death experiences" share some common characteristics (traveling through a dark tunnel toward a bright light, feeling an all-encompassing love from that light) mystical experiences are similarly congruent. Of course, the fact that similar experiences can be induced in labs raises the question of where do these experiences originate and what causes them to happen in the first place. But this is much more worthy of study, on a personal basis, than trying to decide, just by reading, what is what.

While your Christian-Socialist argument seems logical on the surface (and is the very argument being peddled in current politics), closer examination will reveal that the concept is flawed at the base.

A socialist government is fundamentally at odds with Christian values. Socialism compels charity with the threat and force of law. Christian values dictate that charity must be an act of free will. Capitalistic values and free market systems that retain wealth in the hands of the people will always benefit the needy through the charitable good-will of individuals far more than any government program.

We are a Christian nation and will continue to be so as long as government just stays the hell out of the way.

Hm-m-m? The real crux of the argument was that "if most of the poeple in this (or any) country were to live as closely as possible to what Christ taught" (not Paul), that society would appear more Socialistic than Capitalistic. This would indeed render evil, governmental, socialism unnecessary. Too bad, we can't convince all of the wealthy people to give all they own to the poor and then follow Jesus -- as the highest ideal of the Christian view would be, I think. Tithing to a church is trusting the governing body of that church to use the money wisely to help the needy, but it doesn't guarantee it. (See the Jim & Tammy Faye Baker story.)

Government IS responsible for a lot of wasteful spending. Does that mean that ALL government spending is a waste? I don't think so. Why don't we as citizens call them on that? It is more a matter of oversight. And all too often the public has ceded that responsibility to politicians between elections.

Very well said.

You cannot divorce the concept of Socialism from the structure of national government, and you have the cart before the horse. The method is not to convince the wealthy to give away their wealth and then follow Jesus, it is to demonstrate the teachings of Christ by our own actions, thereby setting an example for all other individuals (wealthy and poor) to follow so that they may find their own way to charity. Tithing never requires trust. Tithing requires not only 10% of your income, but 10% of your time as well. If you tithe, you are personally there to ensure it is used properly. If you do not agree with the use of funds, find another organization to work through.

All government spending not specifically prescribed by the Constitution is indeed waste and abuse. There is no need to oversee what should not be occurring in the first place.

Dear Guests

I promised myself (and Admin) not to get into such discussions, as my views could be of the weird kind and not be very welcome on an engineering Forum. I can not send you a private email either. "Why so many Guests?"

All I'll say is that any organized religion has the same interest in mind as drug, weapons, (Fill in here...................) dealers do. It is organized crime at its best. Keep them (us) happy and make them (us) come back for more.

Think of the lies and wars that have been created and fought in the name of (fill in here...............). Not only the Christian, but the whole lot of them organized, 'human potential sucking' other religions!

When I stroll around this Island I see the workings of "God" every where. I do not need an organization to make me believe, not even scriptures of any kind. I did that some time back, when I wanted to know what they are all about. The good is there to see, for anyone who wants to see it. The bad is this tendency, to 'want to believe' so that this emotional thinking/behaving aid, called Religion, has and keeps its place in our under-educated Societies.

I read Nietzsche when I was a young man and Dostoevsky, so have mercy. Blame them if you like. Please do not blame Jesus because what has been written in his name is in my blood. Just his management seems to require replacing.

I broke my promise! But who is counting? The Painting at the top was done with just this in mind. Paul Klee would have loved it. Jesus, in the background, is still alive and the "Priest" is twiddling Thumb. It will be a famous Painting one day!

All the Best,Ky.

Nietzsche conclusions are fantasy. I defy you to read his The Anti-Christ and not see him for the weak, scared, bitter man that he was. And if you haven't read The Anti-Christ, don't try and talk about it, because the title is misleading.

Yet more Guests have found this thread. We could not be bothered registering and gathering the status of Guru or whatever other lame arse title you all have.

We actually find it amusing to post really stupid questions and then read all the responses - it is often the case that the responses are more stupid than the original question.

Myself and my work colleagues often check this site and laugh at some of the stupid engineering answers that are given. It amuses us because we are accountants and engineers (well so called engineers) can´t scratch themselves without asking our permission - actually scratching themselves is all that engineers seem to do.

Next time you clowns start answering stupid questions then it has probably come from us.

You better be nice because the next time you ask for a pay rise we might not give you the extra $2 month that you seem to think you deserve.

We would like to thank CR4 for providing us with this amusing past time - not that we would ever allow our monkeys engineers to purchase anything from here.

Perhaps Guests should be allowed to give good answers aswell - that would really be fun.

Hey, welcome back! Haven't seen your particular brand of obtuse abuse around here for awhile. Hope you've been well, had a good holiday season, all that socially polite dross, y'know. No more clever than ever though, I see...

Clever is first in one's own mind...

Ha. Good stuff. I feel like that post should have been in all caps.

What !! a monkey engineer that can actually spell !! We are not really sure about that. Instead of trying to be funny (quite a feable attempt it has to be said) why don't you go and make us a nice cup of tea and wash our cars - then we might give you a pay rise or a banna.

I've got to agree with the guest here, if we learned anything about the current banking crisis, it's how smart accountants are.

Simple things amuse simple minds.

Accountants?!?!?!? ................... really? I find it amusing that you guys can be so arrogant with a position that requires the skills that are taught in grade 6. Come on - adding, subtracting, database entry - talk about monkeys, sitting at your computer mindlessly punching in numbers.

Please get a reality check. And if that is what you must do for amusement to get through your mundane job of simply transferring numbers from paper to computer so be it.

Now that you (and the guys in the back ground) had your fun, let me say, that being on a roller coaster and building one are two different things. I just want to make sure you understand this point. Financing it is another matter all together. I suppose if I would ask you for 200 more bolts to be replaced you would have to consider for a while. You would have to count bolts for a change and doing something different could disturb your inflated Ego.

As a dedicated bean counter and not one of us clowns I hope you get as much fun out of your tripe as this bloke got! (See photo bellow). Well in the end it was not only he that was hit by his vomit.

Your mates (Associates) must be pissing them self's laughing by now or once you have found the time to email it to them. I think a person of your strange desires would communicate like that. Preferring the onanomise position. Yes, I am aware of the spell check going red on me.

I hope that we will not meet one day and you being the one in charge. I don't think your inter human skills would suit my understanding of a working relationship. I would lose a deal or a job but keep my ever increasing dignity.

All the best for your future and have a nice ride. I'll pay for the bolts, don't bother. You could help with the fitting right up top but then again....

PS: My Mother would have said "Ky! this is not the way to treat Guest's" Well you are just a browser, not a real guest.

With all due disrespect, Ky.

I can't believe the two guys behind him have their mouths wide open! If that was me, I'd end up doing a sympathy puke on the following riders!

Yes Mate, I called them the guys in the background. The ones that are having the fun about giving us a hard time. I was treated and given a harder time in the Girls College many moons back. These blokes couldn't have made it over the fence. See how far the sympathy puke goes in the real world. You think they are going to blame him?

Well, anonymous people, what can you say?

IPMSL

You must forgive us for calling engineers monkeys, let us assure you that it is an honest mistake. A monkey is typically a hairy creature, drags his/her knuckles along the ground and they scratch themselves - so you can see why it is easy to mistake an engineer for a monkey. In addition both will work for bannas.

We are sure that this clarifies the mistake.

Can we have a GA for making this apology/ clarification ? A GA would really make our day and we might even let our monkeys (sorry there we go again) engineers have a holiday in this year.

Now you know with what type of stupid calculations the Enron to Satyam have gone down the drain (well we have accountants who if they see too many repetitions have a habit of removing them to keep things simple) - so many 'a's let us remove a couple. may be that removal of a couple of 0 s or more (from the credit) and adding them in receivables is what has kept them (and the Enron, Lehmans and Satyam) floating for so long.

Thankfully for mankind they are not humans or even monkeys engineers they are what they are hicac count ants

They love to collect all the left overs that are thrown all around (I don't know your part of globe but in our part a huge concentration of accountants are there around urinals and washbasins) and gloat (also bloat) over to the queen (of course their CFO) - ma'am see how many craps i collected today from. any way he/ she doesn't get any pat/ part of the scrap from it soldiers(auditors) are there to poke something up their back even if they think a bit on those lines.

Well to be back on the thread - had these ants become monkeys - they would have collected all the nuts, bolts and things like that from the factories and put in in their burrows -

Just before i ride the next plane i have to find out are their any engineers monkeys trained in accountancy in Boeing/ airbus?

I may have to skip the flight and take the good ol' train. A couple of bolts missing here and there may not matter you know, you will be nearer to ground . not flying in air.

Actually, due to the shortage of aircraft fasteners, I was told that Boeing has been doing a rework operation on fasteners that didn't fully work the first time, thus mixing 'lots' (batches) of fasteners, losing identity and traceability. I expect a major investigation on this soon, which in reality probably means in a couple of years after a plane fails and they trace it to a fastener and sue the original producer, not "remembering" the batch rework at their hands and its potential liability...

I have a paper about what they call this program at my office.

Here is an article that confirms the issue, but not necessarily the traceability problem : http://machinedesign.com/article/fastener-installation-latest-hiccup-in-dreamliner-product-1209

http://www.bloggingstocks.com/2008/12/11/is-Boeing's-fourth-787-delay-its-last/

Not sure I'd blame the accountants, as much as the production managers, though the accountants are probably delighted by the yield improvement.

Airbus has its share of issues, this isn't a Boeing is bad, Airbus is good issue. Fact is, there is a lot at stake and people that should be intelligently managing risk are well, they are trying to avoid consequences of managing that risk in the short term. You read the above and then you decide. This is an engineering forum, and as engineers,we are challenged to stand up in meetings and voice our professional concerns over the actions management deems necessary. I am hopeful that some engineer at Boeing is voicing those concerns and keeping track of rework on a spreadsheet somewhere. If I was there, I would be. But ...

It used to be fun to be always right and know that the planes that your country made were better than those the other guys made. It isn't so easy to think like that these days... and truth be told, it probably wasn't valid thinking back in the day. We're all in this thing together, and damn it, everybody ought to be looking out for the public's (customer's) safety. As I have posted many times before "protect the customer" is the first imperative for us as engineering and technical professionals.

Just what is the first imperative for accountants I wonder? Perhaps guest will enlighten us.

Hope the trains are nicer over there where you are than they are here, it took my son over 20 hours to get to NYC from Cleveland via Amtrak over the holidays. For USA, trains are NOT the answer.

milo

Actually, due to the shortage of aircraft fasteners, I was told that Boeing has been doing a rework operation on fasteners that didn't fully work the first time, thus mixing 'lots' (batches) of fasteners, losing identity and traceability

Milo: To my knowledge, standard fasteners don't truely have tracibility anyway. Within 'the system' one could look up what 'batch' they were received on, but odds are, working backwards, they get back to the same fastener maker / OEM... they are much less "cradle to grave" then other parts.

That is if they are a "standard" like BACxxx part numbers.

I could be completely wrong - I work in Cargo systems... our requirements are not on the same level of flight criticality as wings (for obvious reasons).

Not sure I'd blame the accountants, as much as the production managers, though the accountants are probably delighted by the yield improvement.

I thought it sounded like someone / many people perhaps botched on training the workers actually installing the stuff.

I am hopeful that some engineer at Boeing is voicing those concerns and keeping track of rework on a spreadsheet somewhere.

Rest assured worse than that is happening... probably a lot of Corrective Action...

Oh and I agree... the Airbus vs. Boeing is not an issue - both are good, both are bad... sometimes in the same ways, sometimes different. (We make stuff for both).

Just what is the first imperative for accountants I wonder? Perhaps guest will enlighten us.

I actually did some accounting work - not CPA or anything, but from my understanding in that area, the TRUTH is supposed to be it. Or at least GAAP (Generally Accepted Accounting Principles)... lately we have seen some of that not happening, and sometimes people going to jail for it.

Hope the trains are nicer over there where you are than they are here, it took my son over 20 hours to get to NYC from Cleveland via Amtrak over the holidays. For USA, trains are NOT the answer.

Totally agree. If we are going to use trains... we need a LOT of work on planning / routing... who knows what.. not me. I just know they don't work well enough to be useful right now.

Ahhh, welcome back.

Just as charming as last time.

Are you still wearing the Walmart tie with those Kmart cufflinks?

Or are you guys finally going with corporate casual?

Cheers.

milo

"laugh at some of the stupid engineering answers that are given"

Would love to see some examples of what you consider to qualify as such...

Duhh - becasue we can. How difficult was that to figure out, and you call yourself an engineer.

you do realise that this thread will get alot of posts from Guests just to annoy you more

If you keep sending them, it will only annoy you. Your hopeless mate! why don't you get all your friends to waste their time and become the nuisance you want to be. In the end you will be annoying, what ever you give. Stop wasting YOUR time!

Let us monkey around since while the accountants are busy reading them (and laughing their ... off) some of us can casually roll in and get a few bills signed This is what is called engineering - well we don't mind reverse engineering a couple of them

Hey there Transcendian,

Just a wild guess here. I often hesitate to "sign up" as a member because of the many other sites I belong to. I have 2 pages of user names, passwords, and secret questions/answers to keep track of. It can get overwhelming. Also, every time I join another site or group it seems the junk mail increases. I'm up to almost a hundred a day on my email I give up to most businesses and groups.

And of course there is the anonymity you mention. I'm sure that contributes to the number of guests. I found this one odd because even if I sign on as my user name, I can say what I want pretty much. It's not like Transcendian, Del the Cat, or bwire are going to knock on my door and beat me up or bore me to death with "engineer chat"!

I really enjoy the site. I think the fact that most are smarter than me is rather appealing. To be able to pick the brains of so many talented people is so cool!

Sometimes I define intelligence as "not having all the answers but knowing how to find them". I use this site to help me find the answers.

Regards,

Bill

Well, it just seemed to have gotten a bit extreme, and I have to admit I started to glaze over reading posts from "Guests", even when they may have some value. I know what you mean about all these passwords and all that. Somehow I seem logged in whenever I go on. Forget how that happened... At one time I was an expert as concerns Espionage. Now a days seems like we're all supposed to be spies, or know spycraft. I suppose it won't be long before its a required course in high schools. A few days ago a member wrote me a private note of concern about my mood. I was touched and it helped me. Those who post as Guests all the time, would seem to cut themselves off from the full CR4 experience. Of course I can understand why a real spy might want to supply some information that could not be traced back to them, but I do think CR4 is very well designed, and just am more likely to read a members post than a Guest's.

Every once in a while we seem to have a "guest" or "guests" who are deliberately rude and offensive. I harbor a suspicion that at least one (there may only BE one, after all) may be a disgruntled member/former member. It hasn't happened in quite a while that I know of, but there actually have been people whose behavior here was bad enough to make the staff revoke their memberships. Some of these "guest" posts are slightly reminiscent of some of those folks. No proof, but it's certainly a possibility. That revoking is certainly complete - I know of one such who disappeared entirely leaving no trace of ever having posted (except there were some replies that looked kind of out of place...)!

In my case it is a simple case of not taking the time to log in, laziness i suppose.