Liar, Liar, Pants on Fire

"Muslims' insistance that the Qu'ran is true only in the original"

That is a good one! and fits this thread.

There is no original Quran. There were Qurans that had variations and resulting bloodbaths over whose was correct.

In the 7th century 7 copies on gazelle skin were made by Caliph Usman ibn Affan to provide a standard Quran for the Islamic world. The accuracy of the copies was due, in part, to each letter having a numerical value so that each word, sentence, line of text, paragraph and page could be verified by a sumcheck. Other copies were painstakingly made in later times.

In August of 2008 I saw the remaining one of the 7. It had been bloodied when Othman was killed. You can see the blood in the binding. Amir Timur (Tamerlane) brought it to His domain in Samarqand to bring unity to his people.

There was also hair of Muhammad and many ancient sacred works and artifacts in the same building.

The fate of the rich was due to their attachment or detachment to their possessions and position. We can get the "love of money is the root of evil" from this. (Greed.)

The novice copier knowing the methods of accurate copying would have considered that the originals were done the same way.

Today the Bible is written in many strange ways and since there is no central authority in Christianity everyone can run about yelling "Liar, Liar, Pants on Fire" to each other.

Hello kudukdweller,

Take no insult from what I say OK?

I think your post is really interesting. I am not Muslim or anything else. Not a believer at all. I take your 'fact' as such and I never knew about each letter having a number designated to it.

As you point out the 'Bible' has so many versions, and each sentence can mean whatever you read into it! A complete load of rubbish trying to understand it. Perhaps this is why Christianity is less and less popular? Nothing can be checked and each new published copy can be different from the next previous version. Putting numbers to each letter means at least a total sentence must amount to a previously known figure!

Congrats and thanks for the knowledge.

bb

Hi Baby Bear,

Bill Maher and his Religulous movie was interesting.

We can sort out a lie or error in transcriptions by using a method like the ancients used.

Actually the "Jews" used the numerical checks for that purpose long before. Hebrew and Arabic are Semitic languages. Semitic languages include ancient Egyptian, Hebrew, and Aramaic, as well as the great Nigerian language Hausa. The Hebrew script is actually Aramaic.

The English alphabet (Roman) doesn't have a number association like thier ABJaD reckoning.

Now we can do accuracy checks using the ASCII computer code which goes well beyond our letters and numbers.

Hello kudukdweller9,

Thanks for the reply post my friend.

Does the use of the ASCII refer to christian and Muslim religions?

bb

Computer codes for font characters.

If my "A" key on my keyboard doesn't work I can hold down the ALT key and type 65 and when I release the ALT key "A" will appear. For "a" I poke ALT 97.

A

Hey, I never noticed all that could work in CR4's editor !

"Note You must use the numeric keypad to type the numbers and not the keyboard. Make sure that the NUM LOCK key is on if your keyboard requires it to type numbers on the numeric keypad."

Copy the following (after the pictures) to notepad: do a <save as> and select Unicode from the <Encoding> drop down list.

Not all work in the CR4 editor. But lots are useful in other places as well.

128 Ç 160 á 192 └ 224 Ó 256
129 ü 161 í 193 ┴ 225 ß 257 ☺
130 é 162 ó 194 ┬ 226 Ô 258 ☻
131 â 163 ú 195 ├ 227 Ò 259 ♥
132 ä 164 ñ 196 ─ 228 õ 260 ♦
133 à 165 Ñ 197 ┼ 229 Õ 261 ♣
134 å 166 ª 198 ã 230 µ 262 ♠
135 ç 167 º 199 Ã 231 þ 263 •
136 ê 168 ¿ 200 ╚ 232 Þ 264 ◘
137 ë 169 ® 201 ╔ 233 Ú 265 ○
138 è 170 ¬ 202 ╩ 234 Û 266 ◙
139 ï 171 ½ 203 ╦ 235 Ù 267 ♂
140 î 172 ¼ 204 ╠ 236 ý 268 ♀
141 ì 173 ¡ 205 ═ 237 Ý 269 ♪
142 Ä 174 « 206 ╬ 238 ¯ 270 ♫
143 Å 175 » 207 ¤ 239 ´ 271 ☼
144 É 176 ░ 208 ð 240 ­ 272 ►
145 æ 177 ▒ 209 Ð 241 ± 273 ◄
146 Æ 178 ▓ 210 Ê 242 ‗ 274 ↕
147 ô 179 │ 211 Ë 243 ¾ 275 ‼
148 ö 180 ┤ 212 È 244 ¶ 276 ¶
149 ò 181 Á 213 I 245 § 277 §
150 û 182 Â 214 Í 246 ÷ 278 ▬
151 ù 183 À 215 Î 247 ¸ 279 ↨
152 ÿ 184 © 216 Ï 248 ° 280 ↑
153 Ö 185 ╣ 217 ┘ 249 ¨ 281 ↓
154 Ü 186 ║ 218 ┌ 250 · 282 →
155 ø 187 ╗ 219 █ 251 ¹ 283 ←
156 £ 188 ╝ 220 ▄ 252 ³ 284 ∟
157 Ø 189 ¢ 221 ¦ 253 ² 285 ↔
158 × 190 ¥ 222 Ì 254 ■ 286 ▲
159 ƒ 191 ┐ 223 ▀ 255 287 ▼

Cheers, Randall. I've no idea what use it is to me, but I shall play with it. It's funny how tips picked up here and there can eventually be found useful one day.

If you find an ASCII code for a cast iron bathtub let me know.

0046 0065 100c5 per Unicode 4.0.0

LINEAR B IDEOGRAM B225 BATHTUB

gosh the web is handy

Looks like ancient Egyptian glyphs.

Agreed

Take it up with the standards committee

Don't let Kris see this..
He'll be walking like an Egyptian all week.
Del

Ha ha ha.

I was half thinking of going out for an English tonight, so it could happen ! First thing first though, I have to make some enquires about where to get a tatoo.....

IF (and that is a big if) I am keeping up with slinging lingo

on this side we refer to that as walking on your knees, not walking like an Egyptian

Well, there were about 3 different references !

The 'go for an English' bit was about a hilarious TV sketch; British Asian comedy, sending up the somewhat shameful manner in which (white) Brits often behave. Most Brits here will have had the misfortune to witness pissed-up young blokes in an Indian Restaurant. Having a few beers and 'going for a curry' is pretty normal, but there are a few jerks about. Much better now than it used to be (people appreciate the fantastic cuisine & subtlety of flavours, rather than swilling 20 pints of lager and trying to out-do each other on the hottest dish available). Comedy like that works pretty good for nudging people into better behaviour/understanding. It's also a damn funny sketch !

Having diverted to truth (oh, the shame !), I've forgot what else I was going to clarify (not that it was likely to have been clear in my head to start with ).

Technicolour yawns are always better done in a kneeling position. If you're sitting down, you risk the dreaded auto-syphon effect

I could walk like an Egyptian, but it might confuse some people

Oh my - the hair every where

I'm sure Emybog Harris sung that. You know, 'Hair, there, and everywhere' .

Actually, I made that up, but the song was inspired by just such a problem in the 'maharishi days'. One of the lesser known stories is that John Lennon was visiting Bath one day - having asked where he could clean up one morning, and being in a somewhat 'fuzzy' state of mind, he took a wrong turning at the top of the stairs - and he came up with the tune that's now known as 'Ticket to Ride'. Well, he'd been looking at the bus ticket, but 'Bath' wasn't printed on it. It was an all day ticket that, valid on all routes, simply said "Ticket to Ride". To cut a long story short, it was the bathing chaos + literally taking his hair all over the place that inspired two great songs. It could never have happened if he hadn't been stoned and wanting a bath. Penny Lane/Ob-La-Di, Ob-La-Da, they all have similar explanations.......

I think you may have posted on the wrong thread

You don't get me that easy

I could walk like an Egyptian, but it might confuse some people

Maybe this guy could give you some pointers.

Dear god how did I forget Steve?!

Kudos to you!

I remember him before Hollywood found him and he was playing banjo with an arrow through his head and making Nixon jokes.

Dunno why but I think Steve Martin is over rated by a factor of 144.
John Candy... , he was great.
Del

I dunno if it's just me, but it sounds a bit like The Captain in the background !

mmmmm Bangles

Bungles;

He really bungled that one, didn't he?

I keep telling him about the spelling, not to mention that fact that Bungle might not be know outside the UK. As to Del's lustful thoughts, I'd really hate to pass judgement on this one. Bungle has fur, but it's a bit of a far out fantasy, even by my standards.

Outside of Mr.Tull there is the Bungle in the Jungle _{which anyone with manners wouldn't have mentioned in the first place...sorry}

I think that linear B was one of the hieroglyphical scripts used by the civilisation on Crete which was wiped out when Santorini erupted.

Edit linear B

My imprecision: I meant in the original language.

I was told that this was to avoid translation errors. Of course, it doesn't remove copy errors or widely varying interpretations.

For the record, I'm not Muslim and am not seeking to change anyone's mind about what they believe. Thank you for the interesting info about the sumcheck copy method; I didn't know that. Could that be the origin of numerology - yet another misinterpretation of something only dimly understood by those not using it?

Your comments on materialism (mammon) vs. God are the lesson I drew from the parable of camels and needles; and actually it doesn't matter if it's gates and camels, or camel hair rope and needles, the message is the same.

My comments on the perils of taking anything written down by any man (or these days woman) as absolute truth hold for all of human's written records. No bias implied or intended. It seems that you agree in principle. your point about the lack of a central copy of the Bible is well made - and is why the concept of it being considered absolute truth really frightens me.

That's to Del for his rational post. I'll not comment on this bit any more. What was this thread callled again??

PS: the bit about the novice copier is a joke - and like most tall tale jokes relies on a bit of poetic licence in the set up. Did the "western" monks know about the "eastern" check sum method?

Sorry about that, gang- I have this talent that if I mention politics or religion- no matter how innocently- I set off flame wars.

That's just the version of the story I heard from this jewish kid back when I worked construction. Funny name- Yeshua bar Iosef, or something like that. . . Yeah, he was a carpenter- learned from his dad- why do you ask?

everybody's got a talent

See the link in ed's original post! It went to this poem.

but in the playground, schoolchildren rule.

Recently read Paddy Clarke Ha Ha Ha

Reinforces everything said in Lord of the Flies - no island required

Since it is not recommended when doing renovations to build fires, Air Products is now going to sell LiquidNitrogen Cast Iron Bathtub Crack kits, suitable for use by any member of the family.

Air Products will not sell Sledge Hammers, nor endorse the use of Sledge hammers for cast iron bathtub destruction, because Sledge Hammers are simply not part of their product line.

P.S. I am lying. Air Products has no kit for cast iron bathtub destruction that I know of. In point of fact, when faced with the job of destroying a cast iron tube, it is typically done with a sledge hammer. Swing first at the highest edges, that are the weakest parts, and work your way down. Safety glasses are recommended.

When faced with the job of getting an old fiberglass tube, or shower stall out. A Sawsall and a crowbar are the preferred tools.

You lied but got an "off topic". How odd!

The Sternum Saw is good for fiberglass tubs and shower stalls and heart surgery.

I, marked it as off topic myself.

A Fenn tool is good to have in your kit.

Is that what you mean by Sternum Saw?

The Fein Tool is pretty neat.

A Sternum Saw is similar in that it doesnt spin.

Here here Now!

That will be enough!

25 pages of bath drivel is entirely enough - lets not have it dribbling over on other threads.

I'll ask you nicely to just move along if that's what you wish to discuss - the original thread is still out there and containment is important with this sort of thing, can't be letting it wash all over.

Your thread your rules when it come to off topic

Oh well, OK

Didn't mean to make an ass of myself mhph

I don't mind making an ass out of myself. It's the only time I can get any help.

tub

Pardon me Roy, is that the cat that chewed your new shoes?

"Pardon me Roy, is that the cat that chewed your new shoes?"

Great mondegreen!

Thanks. I must have heard the word "mondegreen", sometime in my life, but, I had to look it up.

There's a shaggy dog story that is a prelude to this, the punch line. It involves Roy Rogers. You can make your own story up. Just be sure to mention a big cat and Roy's new boots that got chewed up.

Pardon me Roy, Is that the Chattanooga choo-choo?

And since Kris recently posted to the subject (which I cannot possibly find) of theft of excellent English humor to be mangled by those upstart yanks and turned into something crappy

I share the following:

http://roflrazzi.com/2009/06/11/celebrity-pictures-john-cleese-british-ideas/

Noooo, that was a joint submission by Del and ER.

Recent?

There is a conversation I'm missing?

no body writes, no body calls...

....I know, I know......I feel you pain, mate. Ever since Admin introduced that new "Funnies" forum, everyone's been over there. I'm still saving up since it's one you have to pay for, but you're American so you can get the access code for free by mailing Chris. You have to put "I am a jam doughnut" in the header.

_{of course, I might be fibbing...}

A**-H***

The funnies forum is following you around

I can tell by the way they walk

Actually as a safety valve (and screening process?) we ought to make them read the Bath-Breaking thread.

At least they'd know what they were in for

That would eliminate looky loos.

We want to lure them in gently, not shackle them straight away !

"Darling, somebody suggested I look at a place called CR4, I'll be back soo.........................................................................................

"Well I'm sorry Mr Perkins, but he's walled himself up in the study. Said something like 'gnrfwaayimwaourp', then resumed this insane laughter. I really don't think he wants to come into work today."