Friday Picture Quiz Question

44 " loaded 50 not loaded just a guess

You're the closest so far.
I'll post a full draw pic tomorrow (on a tiller stick so you can't see it against a person, or cat)
Del

Just because I like Douglas Adam's answer to the the big question -- life , the universe, and every thing --

and you say the previous answer is close

I will say 42"

Looks to be about 112 squirrel hands.

Actually you may be on the money...
Please define your reference 'Squirrel hand' in mm.
_{(Or get Kris to do it for you)}
Del

6 feet, or 72", whichever is nearest, on account of it's long.

Actually - assuming it's not a scale model - going by the grip dimensions - and assuming symmetry about the nock - seems to be 83"

Looking at the weapon, it appears to be a simple longbow after the English pattern, which would certainly be in keeping with your fondness for this style. So, I would guess between 1.8 and 2 meters. Assuming of course that it is full-sized and usable. Beautiful weapon, BTW.

Taking a wild guess based on the image clarity at the far tip versus near tip, I'll bid 60" unloaded.

But knowing most people's desire to trick people with an unreferenced image, I would not be surprised if you were contracted by Aardman studios to fabricate a miniature bow for a new Wallace and Grommit show and this was actually only 3" long unloaded.

its 54 and 3 quarter inches long.

... something keeps saying to me "139 cm".. I almost said "39" and lost the one, but that's unlikely for a bow size It's just a glitch in my wormhole. Nobody's perfect.

16.5 hands

Based on the diameter of the shadow, multiplied times the second derivative of the string tension, then diagonalized in a classic Henry III-1/2 determinant, I conclude 180 cm +/- 1 thingybob. As pictured, of course.

I'll go way out on a limb here and guess that it's around 13cm long sitting on a textured surface.

Remember that the cat has to make it fit his tiny paws and beside, he likes to play games with us all from time to time.

Taking the hand piece to about 8" long, and looking at it, I make it about 9 hand pieces long, that makes it 8 x 9 = 72 inches. Being a cat I suppose you will have to stand on a box to fire it? Ummmmmm are your arms long enough?

Regards JD.

78"

Given the coarseness of the background and the unclear picture which you get if you use a digital camera on tiny objects I stick with the miniature model and only give it 1" or 25.4 mm or both.

My smallest was about the same size for a Crossbow, which could propel picture frame nails into the environment.

Icke - fan of Del and the forum

I too went to that and assuming the back ground to be the normal those laminates, it rather turns out to be around 3/4 of my screen size makin it say 8" or so.

But when I tried to look at the string and its pattern, than it is nearer to 3 ft, but at that the backbround does not look nice.

Few centimeters long. May be less than 10cm. My Guss is from the thread dia.

I am assuming that you made it for yourself? Then the length would be equal to your height.

36 in - gauged by the background carpet pile "pitch"

When are you going to reveal actual?

At the center of the bow, I could see the node and could not see any further nodes on either side of the central one. The bamboo piece should be a shoot between three consecutive nodes. So could be 2' or 3' the maximum...

You posted at about ten to ten (cowboy time:--- ten t' ten t' ten t' ten t' t' ten ten) last night and it's now twenty past eight in the morning so about 10½ hours.

Did you hear that Pernell Roberts has died, aged 81. Another Gooz card for the one who can remember* his character's name in the show whose theme tune Randell was humming.

He wasn't Hoss, he wasn't Joe.....

And bizarrely, I was reading "The Client" at the weekend and the show, and all three sons are mentioned in that. Coincidence or time for the Twilight Zone...?

*I said remember, not look it up.....

I believe it was Adam Cartwright

Adam is correct.

Bonanza was the first television program to be shown in color in the states.

He hated the program,that's why he always wore black(in protest to them not letting him out of his contract).

He went on to play "Trapper John" ,as a spin off from "M.A.S.H.".

Any more questions?

Getting closer...
When do we want the reveal?
Tonight? It's 8:30am here at the mo.
Del

To whet your appetites..

The lighting is from a weird angle as the pic has been rotated.
BTW, all those who gve dimensions in squirrel hands can sit on the naughty step for 5 minutes and think about what they've done. Mind, they can have tea and toast...
Del

Ummmm, superb heart divide - nice job Cat (not brow-nosing, just Metal Rat admiring)

1820mm

How do I get to that?

Well, if you devide1820mm by 4 you get 455mm. That translates to being 1 fourth of what the size of it is on my screen. Now I take a good chance at what the diameter of the grip bit is, which should be about 60mm and I subtract that from 455mm = 395mm. Your with me?

From that I subtract 30 days (now 'days', don't you start with the apple and oranges!!), which are wasted anyway, but could then make up (or reduce it to a full year) like in 395-30=365.

Makes real sense or what?

1820mm just under six foot.

BTW

Still have not gone and talked to the "owners" of the stand of black bamboo. Maybe over the weekend, its just around the corner really. You'll know when I'll post some pics of it any way.

Nice work Mate, very nice work, Ky.

My guess is in human hands, as in horse height measurement tools.

Converts to 66 inches.

No squirrel hands here.

The far end of the bow seem shorter than the nearest part, but I don't know if this is an illusion? and looking at the resent post and not knowing how big a cats paw is, and assuming that you are a big TOM? this would add an extra hand piece? so 8 x 10 is 80 inches or 6ft 8in?

Regards JD.

Ooooh, it's getting warmer in here, so here's a pic at full draw...wait for it to go BANG.

The tiller is a tad out, the right limb could do to bend more at the tip end.
This pic is a bit better as it's taken in daylight.
Del

Can you advise on the release mechanism? Nothing to do with guessing the length, just curious!

It's just manually pulled back onto the notches to allow you to step back and look at the 'tiller' (curvature) of the bow, to let it back down the string is just pulled out of the groove and slowly let down.
Crossbow trigger mechanisms are another kettle of fish, there is one drawn in one of my blogs here or here.
Del

Ok - if that is by convention the string is ~ 63 1/4" so one would expect 3/4" +~ 2 " or 66" free length. 1646.4 mm

Interesting Puzzle Cat

metric around 2080 or 2550 mm depends on the reference for the scaling.

It's either 3'4" for the 5 year old daughter or a friend, or 7'3" for her Dad.....

What is the length of the draw for the person whom this bow was made for?

That would be telling...anyhow I'm a cat, maybe it's a cat's bow.
Del

Ok then - the length of the bowstave will be 71.6", +/- 2" for every inch of draw above or below 28".

Hmmm....

arc length =2piR(C/360)

where:

C is the central angle of the arc in degrees

R is the radius of the arc

where Pi is approximately 3.1415926535 8979323846 2643383279 5028841971 6939937510 5820974944 5923078164 0628620899 8628034825 3421170679 8214808651 3282306647 0938446095 5058223172 5359408128 4811174502 8410270193 8521105559 6446229489 5493038196 4428810975 6659334461 2847564823 3786783165 2712019091 4564856692 3460348610 4543266482 1339360726 0249141273 7245870066 0631558817 4881520920 9628292540 9171536436 7892590360 0113305305 4882046652 1384146951 9415116094 3305727036 5759591953 0921861173 8193261179 3105118548 0744623799 6274956735 1885752724 8912279381 8301194912 9833673362 4406566430 8602139494 6395224737 1907021798 6094370277 0539217176 2931767523 8467481846 7669405132 0005681271 4526356082 7785771342 7577896091 7363717872 1468440901 2249534301 4654958537 1050792279 6892589235 4201995611 2129021960 8640344181 5981362977 4771309960 5187072113 4999999837 2978049951 0597317328 1609631859 5024459455 3469083026 4252230825 3344685035 2619311881 7101000313 7838752886 5875332083 8142061717 7669147303 5982534904 2875546873 1159562863 8823537875 9375195778 1857780532 1712268066 1300192787 6611195909 2164201989

way too much math for the morning

I guess 68"

3 inches or slightly larger than a toothpick.

One very long cat whisker.

For those guys who think it's 3" Here's a more detailed shot of nock and string.

If the bow was 3" long I dread to think who or what made that string and how small is that nock.
Maybe a Wizard did it...
Del

48" long.

Just to help a little, the length is an integer 2 digit number of inches.
Del

Sputter!! You said you would accept metric! While knowing that only the imperials would be dead on! sneaky, I call it...

Even or odd?

Is it divisible by 3? (you know what I mean - without any leftovers; you don't eat just part of a squirrel fish, do you?)

Yes and yes
Del

Ok, my cat Suzuki insists that I take another paw swipe at this. He thinks this is 33" long. So that's our official guess. My drowsy cat, Zorro, noticed that its Saturday already for you Del. So I shouldn't disturb you, and let you sleep. _Yawn

69 inches

OK, a cross-bow instead of an English long bow. Assume the bolt to be about 10", each arm about the same, so 20", give or take a meter.

Warmer...

That's 30" of anybodies money!

Where's JohnDG? He's the fellow to compile a list of all the guesses so far.
I'm sure if you work as a team you'll get there.
Remember there's no 'I' in team.
But there is a 'P' in patronising.
Del <Tee hee...scampers off>

First results:

_{Tthere's a couple of big gaps in those guesses on the graph.
Plot the GA results shhhhh}
Del

So that's why the string looked so thick

KAT!!!!!

Second attempt:

Where a range was given, I've taken it as one result equal to the arithmetic mean of the extrema.

Where two distinct answers were given (as in 3" or 60"), I've included both guesses.

I've omitted results expressed in unknown units of measure (e.g. "squirrel hands").

_{^{[It's sater-bluddy-day morning, and you want accurate stats? Bugger off.]}}

_{Woo hoo Pompey just beat Southapton 4-1 .}
Your work is done Grasshopper.
It just need someone to use the graph...be of the graph.
Del

The hints given so far suggest that Del is in posession of a 12"er (and he's probably not afraid to use it) . Once again, I'm in awe - it's satisfy any Tiller

I think a 12" would prolly be the right size for a squirrel to use.
Now there's a scary thought...but would a cat with a bow be worse?
Del

Hard to say - depends how good Friday night was

My first guestimate was about 56"... but I thought it seems too small unless it is made for hunting in tight quarters... Is it for squirrel hunting?

There are 2 peaks around 40 and 80 ".

Again statistics what a shame! It should be a standard and then every body believes and follows.

It is approximately 4 cubits in length.

Maybe this pic of me with the bow will help?

And No! I'm not a 6' Cat.
Del

That's not helping much, unless we have some scale....

That's a great pic. Catzilla
Del

Cool! Did Aardman studios call? What's this bow for? (I almost feel like a two year old.) Who's your furry friend? (Bounce, bounce, bounce, giggle)

Now I am confused.

I thought all calico cats were females yet you just self-identified.

It must be about an 17-18 inch bow

OK. Sammi says the bow is 16" long, but Cody and I disagree and think its 18". But then men always think its longer, right?

Nice pic...but c'mon you guys are jus playin with that tape

Del, I gotta hand it to you. If that bow is indeed only 15cm long, then that is some incredibly fine work, particularly on the nocks and bowstring. I await the revealment with bated breath.

C'mon that cat is full grown (#76)...it's a genuine pic, so it's gotta be bigger than 15cm.
i'm not sayin' Kris' pic isn't genuine....
Del

Okay, 20cm. But it's still incredibly fine work. When are you going to tell us the truth?

Ok, I'll say 14". You did say it was not in metric units. What's it for? What's it for? (giggle, giggle) Who's your friend? Who's your friend?

What's it for?
I made it to see how Cherry and Ash stand up together as a combination, Cherry is good in compression but poor in tension, Ash good in tension but not so good in compression.
I'm going to make a full sized version, but it gave me something to timker with when it's too cold to work outside.
I shall make a scale arrow and see if it will penetrate a beer can...any bets?
(I reckon it will)
It pulls 3lb at 8" draw
Del

An 8" draw would put a correctly proportioned bowstave length at 32".But, judging from the picture, yours is much shorter.

71.6-((28-8)*2)

Dunno where you get your equation from.
You can see from the pic of it at full draw it looks about right.
As a rule of thumb a bow will be at least as long as twice the draw length, but not as much longer as you suggest, which is 4 times the draw length....
A typical medieval style Yew longbow would be 72" or a bit over and would draw to at least 30"-32". Modern draw tends to be nearer 28"
You can take some measurements of this pic if you don't believe me!
That's pulling 90 lb at about 31.5" but I don't think I've got it back the last inch.


Del.

Exactly. My information tells me that a modern longbow will be 72" in length with a 28" draw. If the required draw is shorter or longer then, the length of the bowstave will be shortened or lengthened by a factor of two for every inch of draw that is added or taken away.

Your last comment suggested that the draw was only 8" so.....

Good-looking bow there, Del.

There seems to be some confusion.
The bow in the quiz question is a scale model of an 'American Flatbow' style bow approx scale 1 : 3.5
It is not a longbow.
It is correctly proportioned.

In all the quiz pictures (except the one with the cat) there is deliberately nothing for reference, (the tiller stick, is of course also made to scale).

The pictures with me in ( and the primitive flat bow on a full sized tillering rig) are there to illustrate the proportions of different bow styles.
Del

Well EXCUSE me!

Looks like he outdrew you in 'Umbrage" Dell

Loved it all by the way Mr Cat - oddly, even the being total wrong part .

Cheers.
Yeah, I shall have to get my umbrage upgraded.
Del

No, just re-purpose it

<baaaarrrfffff>
You cat teasing squirrelmonkey....

Del

Have a nice day.....Can I help anybody,pleeeeeeeeze.

No, no, after you old chap. Sorry, What ? "! Sorry". You're the sorriest goddam people I ever met !

{ for non Brits : "sorry" = Britspeak for "you stupid plank, whatever just occurred is entirely your fault. I'll mutter this platitude in order to be condescending and put you in your proper place, ie beneath me.}

Out of interest (or not) bow of a flatter cross section gets much closer to the length=2xDraw. (or beyond it)

"Correctly proportioned" depends on the style of bow. I don't wish to take umbrage, but it is a subject I know about as I actually make these things.
Here's a couple of short bows with relatively long draw which I've made. Primitive and Asiatic recurve styles respectively.



Del

drat! fooled again... can I go with the first wormhole, drop the one hunnerd and guess 39 cm?

(I couldn't believe the bow was for a cat..and such fine work too . what was I thinking!)