Why Energy From Magnets Research Is Considered A Fraud?

Oh look moderation

Changed the title

The new title is a bit more descriptive

Azeeco,

If you have proven than energy can be generated from magnet ,by this 20 years of your research, at least a working proof piece should have got developed. I think excepting for your so called build up activities nothing had been concluded so far. Any research should be based on viability proof and also the justification of scientifically established laws. Decide where you are now, and set right your track based on reality.

splarf

there is always the need for a master of the obvious

Valid points. However, if simple 10th grade physics concepts like

E_k=½mv², E_p=mgh , and "Conservation of Energy"

are still incomprehensible (or ignored) after 20+ years of effort, none of the more advanced Electromagnetic Theory references are likely to help to the OP.

GA

<...I have more than 20 year on this research and my research is still going on....>

Ooooh! Look! Perpetual motion!

Well, all of you keep discussing and having fun. The OP has left and is now waiting for responses on this thread-

http://cr4.globalspec.com/thread/56929/Are-You-Doing-Research-On-Magnets

of course he did

a couple of years ago there was this

http://cr4.globalspec.com/thread/14223/How-To-Measure-Magnetic-Suspectablity

He is really a one-man perpetual machine for sure .. but hold on .... "suspectability" ???

(sic)? Even the GA on that one misspelt susceptibility ! Must be contagious.

This has been on hell of a candle to light, fair dinkum...

But wouldn't the "flow of contineous [sic] water" be a source of external energy? This sounds like a hydroelectric generator rather than a motor. Further, current is measured in amperes rather than watts.

No silly - it's measured in knots.

I thought over-unity devices were can be measured decorated with a simple not.

And to think you nailed calculus - sheech.

So, this is Unity. Seems like a nice girl.

Oh, no! Is this one going to go the same way as the bath-breaking thread?

Join forces with Magnext, perhaps?

Re: Why energy from magnets research is considered a fraud?

Attempts to build a permanent magnet motor have been stymied by the problem of creating a fluctuating or rotating magnetic field - as in electromechanically driven machines. If only those pesky permanent magnets could be turned on and off.

I read with interest that scientists have recently developed a light activated plastic magnet. Shining a blue light on this material increases its magnetism by 50%. A green light reverses the effect. Currently, the measured magnetic forces are weak and the effect is only observable at -200C., but who knows where this might lead. Witness the recent advances in raising the temperature of superconductivity.

Therefore it's not difficult to imagine a future motor that incorporates light activated magnetic plastic poles, and strobed light to create the fluctuating magnetic field necessary to effect rotation.

Particularly interesting about this discovery is that the light does not appear to be acting as an energy source to expand and collapse the magnetic field. Although still unclear, the effect seems more like a switch - analogous to a transistor - in which a small input controls a larger output.

There is still much about magnets and magnetism that is open to theorizing. If magnetism can indeed be switched on and off with light, then the described hypothetical motor would be within the realm of the possible. I find this very intriguing.

Horatio: "O day and night, but this is wondrous strange!

Hamlet: "There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosophy."

what you are describing isn't an over unity device

just like super conductive devices aren't overunity

The op is imagining a device that will extract the potential energy from magnets, with out having to put energy back into the system to bring the system back to the original state

but hey if someones handing out free lunches, make mine Lobster & a nice single malt

I know that superconductive devices are not over unity. My point is that since researchers have been steadily raising the temperature at which superconductivity occurs, it's entirely possible that further research will also raise the temperature at which this light activated switching of magnetism occurs. If that happens, and if the light is actually functioning as a switch and not an energy source for the magnetism, then this will open up unheard of possibilities.

Will those possibilities include overunity devices? No. But the universe is nothing but energy (E=mc2). Maybe research like this will lead to another portal (besides fission and fusion) to access that energy. Maybe the poles of some future, as yet undreamed of motor, will actually be "fuel" for the motive force. As the motor runs and does work, the mass of the poles would gradually decrease and would eventually need to be replaced - but it would be like taking a bucket to a well that never runs dry. Hamlet's words to Horatio still ring true.

All true and wonderful - but - "free" is a tricky concept.

In economics; all that fossil is actually "free" - it only costs you for power because 'men' charge you for the digging, conversion and delivery.

"Beware Greeks bearing gifts" - given we are waxing classical.

Shouldn't that be:

Beware Geeks Bearing Gifts

There is good blog on this subject, where 10 yr olds are convinced not to waste their lives pursuing perpetual motion...

There is only one perpetual motion in my book...

we're not signed in to your account so the image doesn't work for the rest of us

For some reason, link doesn't quite work right for me. Cut and paste direct into browser address window does work...

http://dennis11219.tripod.com/calvin_and_hobbes/Hobbes_chasing_tail.GIF

I'll have a go...

I see

image posted by tripod

my impression was that there was a joke

I could be wrong

could be this one

we all love failure analysis

maybe it's a copyright issue

I sourced from this site

http://hem.passagen.se/rust29/hobbe.htm

It's an ephemeral thing - no animated gif this morning, tho' it was there last night, and it's still on the tripod site if I go direct. The gif must time out somehow. Maybe it's only got a limited number of repeats in the downloaded version. Wonder how they do that?

Hobbs got tired on #132

when I go to the site I got him from same result

The last frame of the series

Well, there is another PMM (the way new threads are being started on perpetual motion machines, we better start using the acronym).

Law 1 : A cat will always land on its feet.

Law 2 (thanks Murphy) : A slice of buttered toast will always land with the buttered side down on your expensive persian carpet.

Voila ! All you need is to tie a slice of buttered toast on a cat's back, with the buttered side up, and the whole system will rotate as per the above two laws when dropped

(With apologies in advance to Del)

Or Rifts?

^{_{(meant as a joke Loupy)}}