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Interfering with Digital Camera

08/01/2010 1:46 PM

Remember how a motor turning would interfere with a television. Is there any way to interfere with a digital camera to stop the picture developing? A certain frequency, something safe though.

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08/01/2010 2:00 PM

It sounds like you are trying to interfere with those cameras used on roadways to record speeders or to block surveillance cameras at banks or other secure locations. Sounds illegal to me.

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08/01/2010 2:21 PM

If Ronseto guessed correctly that you're trying to block roadway cameras, you could try flooding the lens with bright light, like from a really bright green laser pointer. If you're in a moving vehicle it might be pretty difficult to maintain the aim during the entire time the vehicle is within the field of view of the camera.

If you had a friend standing nearby he could be flooding the lens for you. On a sunny day, a mirror could be used to flood it with reflected sunlight.

Keep in mind that this might be illegal. Any attempt might be illegal.

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08/01/2010 2:42 PM

The best way to deal with those pesky road cameras is to spray the lenses with spray paint, or blow them away with a shot gun, make sure to get your conceal/carry permit first, without that, I'm sure it would be illegal.

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08/01/2010 2:23 PM

Pictures are not developed in digital cameras. They are there in the memory as soon as the shutter "clicks".

Developing involves creating a negative image and then chemically treating it to produce a picture on paper. (That's close enough.)

And, as Ronseto said, sounds strange to me.

The progressive state of Arizona just passed a law that bans (existing) speed cameras on state highways, while removing ANY restrictions on anyone over 21 when carrying any weapon concealed from view. That's right, no check of any kind.

Go figure.

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08/01/2010 2:34 PM

I meant the process of saving the image to the memory card. You guys are so suspicious by the way, why you all straight away think this is some kind of quest to corrupt the law. When Einstein was trying to split the atom I can imagine someone saying 'Sounds strange to me' , do you think they would have said that if they could have witnessed the shear amount of energy it created. Instead of wasting time bringing me up on my grammar, you could maybe lend a hand into the creation of something else worthwhile, by no means as worth while as Einstein's work by the way.

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08/01/2010 2:42 PM

Let's see: " Is there any way to interfere with a digital camera to stop the picture developing?" does not sound constructive or worthwhile.

Perhaps, if you had bothered to share some tiny bit of information as to what you are up, we wouldn't be suspicious.

You are, after all a newcomer, so don't lecture us, either.

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08/01/2010 2:45 PM

Einstein was probably trying to split the atom to disable a roadside camera.

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08/01/2010 2:49 PM

Sorry to be so suspicious, but the internet attracts all sorts of people, from smart intelligent people to pure wackos. If you had explained at first what your application was, it would have removed the suspicion. If someone reading this who was a law enforcement officer of some kind, (FBI, CIA, etc) they would have had the same suspicion. What do you think if you read a question like, "how to make a bomb"? You automatically jump to the conclusion that person wants to do something illegal. Please don't take it personally.

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08/01/2010 3:03 PM

You still haven't bothered to mention, what exactly it is you are trying to figure out or accomplish. Can you blame us? Why in the world would you care about disrupting a digital image from being placed on a card or drive? The easiest way to accomplish this task is to not turn on the camera and try to take a picture.

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08/01/2010 3:12 PM

I don't want to pile on the OP, but maybe someone should tell him that Einstein didn't split the atom.

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08/01/2010 3:25 PM

He may have tried to though, we will never know for sure.

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08/01/2010 6:02 PM

Damn I knew I should have researched that first. Let's start again. Yes I am a newbie and I would definitely appreciate some fellow advice. I am young and still a bit naive but I have some great ideas and a longing to create something useful that could be used by all walks of life. I have loved electronics since being very young and had a great set back learning that I was colour blind which would have given me problems with my career. Choosing a completely different path in life I am now a frustrated innovator that is on a quest for knowledge. Sorry to bore you. I wish I could tell you my reasons for a bit of an out there question but at this time I consider it as an unique idea and am just trying to do some research. I have in the past thought of ideas and seen them come to fruition a few years later. The Gibson Robot Guitar. I told all of my friends that it would be possible to make a guitar that could tune itself by the use of small stepper motors, a self mic and a slightly clever interface. They all just laughed at me. Check it out if you don't know about it, it's truly amazing. Now I am certainly not saying that someone overheard me and created it for Gibson, just that I really think I have a role to play as an innovator. If you guys can give me a chance it would be brilliant.

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08/01/2010 7:06 PM

Forgive us our transgressions, things can get a little warped here. Good luck on your quest to make a digital camera stop taking pictures. We are always here to help, feel free to post anytime. Welcome aboard!

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08/01/2010 7:30 PM

I just bought a camera that doest work from kris/del productions, (their here on CR4, stay away from them ) I really didn't want the camera, that was free, when I bought a watch that ran backwards......they told me it was a time machine.

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08/01/2010 3:34 PM

Is there any way to interfere with a digital camera to stop the picture developing?

Yes, a large electromagnetic discharge at the precise time the picture is taken before or as the image data is being written to the memory card. Additionally carefully detonating a small nuclear device near the camera will (possibly depending on the conditions) disrupt the electronics and wreck the digital image. Both may void the camera warranty.

Yes these will work but they are hardly practical. Seriously though, what about one of these

http://www.gizmag.com/anti-paprazzi-clutch-bag/12169/

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/europe/article6841380.ece

http://cr4.globalspec.com/thread/43775/Technology-for-the-Rich-and-Famous-Anti-Paparazzi-Shield

What exactly is the application?

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08/02/2010 6:57 PM

Wow thanks for the support. I think the Gizmag article has maybe pissed on my chips. I had this idea around the same time in 2009. Should have acted on it sooner. I was thinking of trying to contact a designer wear company that produced caps and include this slave flash technology. Nevermind, does anyone know where to get some motivation tablets from?

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08/03/2010 3:24 PM

Welcome to the club. I have had at least four good product ideas (two of which I started to develop) that didn't last because someone bet me to it and produced a product 6 months to a year ahead of me.

With so many people generating so many ideas it is always best to research first before jumping in to product development, because chances are someone else is working on it or has already done it. This just comes with the territory of product development, and regular idea and product failure and redesign is standard practice.

Nevermind, does anyone know where to get some motivation tablets from

Sites like Gizmag are great because they cover a wide range of ideas and products and are a good place to get inspiration (and see what has already been built). Who's to say you won't find a good idea or product that cannot be redesigned and made better, or at the very least a different view point that may generate new ideas.

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08/01/2010 3:50 PM

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If you can afford it why not get your self a few very strong magnets and place them at different points of the camera. Use tape or glue if it is not magnetic, which it possibly isn't. That's what I would do. The possible effects on the camera could be damaging but who cares its all done in the name of science.

I am suggesting this because one can deflect the pixels on a TV screen with a magnet (degaussing?) but I'm not sure and am not willing to try it on my camera. Maybe even use a doughnut magnet around the lens?

Redirecting a pixel or two beats splitting an atom any day. Don't blame me if you cause permanent damage to your pixel saving device. You know, you can't really call it a camera any more.

Don't get me started and widen your hole before you dig any deeper, Ky.

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08/01/2010 4:00 PM

This is good advice. He doesn't want it to be a camera anymore and he can't figure out how to keep those damned pictures from being saved every time he pushes the button.

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08/01/2010 5:48 PM

Any data acquisition system can be compromised by an interference. In many aspects digital systems are more robust than analog systems because they have a built in noise immunity. At the same time though once a digital system has been compromised there's often no useful information that can be obtained while an analog signal will be messed up but may still contain some useful information.

Now how one predictably can interfere with an unspecified digital camera gets very difficult. The obvious method is a simple kinetic approach. But this will always leave some evidence of tampering. To reliably interfere with a camera and network without leaving noticeable traces one will have to first have a test camera and network to try various approaches. I happen to like the idea of attacking the network instead of the camera. Recording a boring, but typical image in a long repeating loop to be viewed over the network instead of the camera has been used in many a criminal/spy adventure.

Now if instead you're asking how a digital camera could have already failed you once, briefly at a non-critical time then I'd hazard the guess that you were the unfortunate victim of a cosmic ray that happened to flip the wrong set of bits in your camera and changed it into some non-recording state.

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08/01/2010 6:02 PM

a large magnetic pulse would do............don't know what to do with the mushroom cloud thou.

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08/01/2010 6:59 PM

The mushroom cloud would make a beautiful picture, but his camera doesn't work.

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08/01/2010 6:28 PM

A motor turning and a digital camera "developing an image" are very different processes.

Is there any way to interfere with a digital camera to stop the picture developing?

Yes.

A certain frequency, something safe though.

No. But depends on your meaning of safe !!

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08/01/2010 7:04 PM

Easy. Hit it with a hammer.

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08/01/2010 7:19 PM

Yeah I was going to say run over the digital camera in a chieftain tank but this did not seem so safe.

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08/01/2010 7:22 PM

And I did not know the frequency of running it over with a tank....possibly once Hertz.

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08/01/2010 7:46 PM

Don't forget to send pictures.

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08/01/2010 7:53 PM

Place digital camera on the left of the picture and hope the tank is going to collide with it.

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08/01/2010 8:02 PM

I had problems with my pick ups. Magnetic interference I supposed. Did not waste any time and had it flattened. The sound it created needed no amplification anyway.

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08/01/2010 8:40 PM

Did you use a proper "Chieftain Tank" ?

They are qualified to do 30 KPH and at 55 tons I feel this is a minimum especially for "speed cameras" and it being a tank you can even fire a couple of preliminary rounds of ammunition to start off the process of preventing images being recorded.

The Chieftain Tank is also very good for in town parking...see references to "Kenny Everett"

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08/02/2010 3:18 PM

I prefer the Centurion Tank (but I guess I am a little biased).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Centurion_tank

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08/02/2010 5:45 PM

Yes you do seem biased but the Chieftain Tank is heavier and faster , some of these speed cameras can be "bolted down" quite well and you don't want to slow down too much as there is quite a lot of them in some places.

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08/02/2010 7:10 PM

microwave energy from a magnetron found in a microwave oven.

it will interfere with everything at close quarters, very close and it will fry the electrics

I know this because i built one, makes th kitchen fluorescent lights come on without switching it on

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08/02/2010 7:38 PM

Not so safe maybe !

Maybe you cooked your head space when doing what you describe.

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08/09/2010 1:27 PM

I would have to say that the best way to interfere with the picture development in a digital camera would be to travel very fast. If your velocity approaches that of C, the speed of light, then length contraction should interfere and cause your image on the sensor to approch zero, therefore you would be invisible to the camera.

there that was easy, yea.

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