Credible UFO Testimony

In other words, your sample size is very small compared to the total universe. In this case universe means the total of all military personnel.

While I'm not going to argue one way or the other on this topic, I will take minor argument with the above. The US military population is ~1.5 million. It is more than reasonable to assume his "sample" of the military was 200 people. For a 99% confidence level, a percentage of 1% (his generalization), one comes up with a confidence interval of 1.82. That would say to me his sample size is more than adequate (although one could argue whether or not the sample was random).

There's also 2 or 3 astronauts and an ex Canadian defence minister that believes in aliens.

If you will "Search all of CR4" for UFO, you will find the topic discussed many times.

And? History is pretty boring, and always repeats itself, enough said.

Semper fudge! Seize the fudge. Happy New Year, and Running is best for hangovers, don't knock it till you try it.

Now to the issue at hand, UFO's are unidentified, that's the issue, aliens. . . . not so much. . . "the surest sign that intelligent life doesn't exist beyond this planet is that none of it has tried to contact us." Calvin + Hobbes

If you think aliens are here or have been here refer to my previous post and put up some engineering type stats also as requested in my previous post. TTFN

A random selection of UFO reports to the National UFO Reporting Center for the month of November 2010. The database says there are 222 reports for that month.

And what would be credible evidence? Video's can be stagged, and even DNA can be engineered.

If we could engineer alien DNA would could engineer aliens. UFOs are seen all the time, aliens, not so much.

At first I responded to this on the basis of "general knowledge," however good or bad. Then I started to watch the video. The first two minutes convinced me completely that this is a total damned crock. What a pastiche of undigested opinions and conspiracy innuendoes!

I am by no means against the idea of external visitors; indeed, that could be right cool. But the alleged "evidence" I have seen so far is just crap. Close Encounters of the Third Kind might have been entertaining, but it was plumb stupid.

I might be totally wrong about this, but so far I don't think so. Instead I think there are lots of monumentally gullible people out there.

I think there have been and will more genuine UFO reports but I don't think any contain aliens.

Just got back from The Disclosure Project's web site.

This statement, left me shaking my head,

"We have identified insiders and scientists who can prove, in open Congressional hearings, that we do in fact possess classified energy generation and anti-gravity propulsion systems capable of completely and permanently replacing all forms of currently used energy generation and transportation systems. These devices access the ambient electromagnetic and so-called zero point energy state to produce vast amounts of energy without any pollution. Such systems essentially generate energy by tapping into the ever-present quantum vacuum energy state - the baseline energy from which all energy and matter is fluxing. All matter and energy is supported by this baseline energy state and it can be tapped through unique electromagnetic circuits and configurations to generate huge amounts of energy from space/time all around us. These are NOT perpetual motion machines nor do they violate the laws of thermodynamics - they merely tap an ambient energy field all around us to generate energy."

Don't shoot the messenger, Mark.

If I wanted a bunch of yes men/women I wouldn't even be here.

BTW, where is the government transparency we were all promised?

All I can say lyn, is that somehow, I feel as if we're all missing something. I don't know what it is. But I think it's big.

do you believe in God tornado?

So far, at most in a deistic or Einsteinian sense.

ok because if you did I would say that you believe in aliens.

My younger brother, www.guymalone.com ran www.alienresistance.org the christian alien resistance group, for about 10 years in roswell, nm.

Our grandfather worked for aerospace corp after the war, and was familiar, but silent about what was done with the debris back engeneering of the roswell crash. He did, however, show us the 3 new first transistors, encased in lucite or some hard clear plastic, dated one year prior to the introduction of the transistor, 1946, and the 3 transistors were gold plated, looking like transistor designs from the 1950's. And we were told to believe the first news report released about the crash.

I've visited both of these sites and all I can say is, You've just really got to be kidding. This stuff is much worse than speculating about plain old UFO's. I guess it comes down to whether or not one is capable of thinking for one's self, but stuff like this scares the hell out of me.

I hope that you don't think that the World Trade Center was demolished from the inside by explosives and the planes that just happened to fly into them were a coincidence.

Nothing personal, but this is way over the top and far outside anything I'd like to discuss here.

Happy New Year.

I've come to the conclusion, that the planet earth, at least as far as humans go, is fueled by bull$hit.

Let me phrase that

"they merely tap an ambient energy field all around us to generate energy."

Courtesy of Lyn ^{_{(the messenger)}}

How long has Antarctica been covered in ice? Millions of years.Yet there exists an ancient map of Antarctica as it appears without the ice covering.It is so accurate that is had to be taken from an aircraft of some type.No one knew what Antarctica looked like below the ice till we developed ice penetrating radar.The cartographer reviewing the new map thought the map looked familiar,and retrieved an old unidentified map that was identical.The map was thousands of years old.Please explain this if you can, without a previous advanced civilization or outside help.

There are two views on this

The Von Daniken approach

and the historical cartography approach

Bull$h¡t; there are no worthwhile maps "thousands of years old."

How about some facts to back up that statement?

Did you miss 78 ?

Or just not bother reading the links

Your question is completely impertinent, until such time as you produce worthwhile evidence. So far you haven't given even a single citation of anything at all.

Please substantiate that claim with some proof,or do you only require proof from those that disagree with you?

IF you have an Open Mind,check out Piri Reis map,

then reevaluate your Bull$hit remark.

Well I see you have found only one of the links, or don't understand the second.

The best date I can see for the Piri Reis map is 1513. 2011-1513 = 498 years, nowhere near "thousands of years"

Thank you for reinforcing my initial opinion; no need to change it yet.

The map you referenced has an uncertain origin,but it shows topography as Antarctica is below the ice.The oldest ice cores have been taken from the eastern ice,and they are prehistoric.From that I have concluded that the map must be much older than it appears to be, or was copied from a much older source.

I don't know who voted you off topic. I just undid it. We can only pretend for so long. You are absolutely correct.

It isn't too hard to figure this out.

Except for the part that he isn't correct.

I think this is a great thread - and let me say the probability is, extraterrestrials exist.

But - the automatic link that UFOs are the work of extraterrestrials is not valid logic.

(this was alluded to earlier, so whoever it was, have kudos)

Perhaps they are ET's scurrying about studying the ant colony, in which case a demonstrative link makes UFO into ETFO.

That is the link absent in everything served up so far.

Until that link is made; they are unidentified flying objects, or appear to be objects.

Being without formal education, I don't even know what the power source is that keeps the earth on its 365 day trajectory around the sun........or the 24 hour daily cycle for that matter. Every time I start something spinning, it slows down.

Damn, the way the earth moves, dare I say, is almost like perpetual motion.

Could one of you guys identify the power source for me?

It's more a matter of absence of retardation. A bit like you. Umm, I wonder if Earth is just playing mind games with Mankind too?

I just finished watching part 2. All I can say, is that, if all of what they are saying is garbage, we've had some extremely, dangerously delusional people in positions of power. That's a lot scarier than any alien ever could be.

BTW, I guess we can all congratulate ourselves..........another year, and another round of holidays are finally over. Back to, what I consider normal.

"we've had some extremely, dangerously delusional people in positions of power"

No argument there

"That's a lot scarier than any alien ever could be"

Nor there.

And extraterrestrials probably would actually have WMD's (he said, referring to the first statement)

Unfortunately holidays are not over everywhere.

Not to threadjack, but there are many otherwise credible people who swear that the CIA killed President Kennedy, who swear that there were other shooters on the grassy knoll; there are many otherwise credible people, including one or two structural engineers, who swear that the destruction of the Twin Towers was a government organized "implosion".

I could go on, but my point is that this is not an unusual type of illusion. I cannot explain what all of those people saw independently, but that puts the question in a much larger category than the one that encompasses the questions that I can answer.

You wrote, "including one or two structural engineers, who swear that the destruction of the Twin Towers was a government organized "implosion"."

Ah, you mean Oprah?

A recent UFO story with 20 minutes of video from the local fire chief. Scroll down for u-toob video links. Unidentified and credible.

If that is not a scripted fake - how is that the camera operator knows "they are going to reconfigure" (and how/where) ahead of them doing so?

Why was the operator so certain the 'best view' was 'up here'?

(and folk should not go 'down the hill')

I vaguely remember - possibly in a past life - explaining how front projection works.

I watched part 1 and most of part 7. From what I gathered they had been watching these lights for awhile and had deduced a pattern of sorts... winking out one-by-one, and then reappearing in a different configuration. There is almost 20 minutes of video. I don't think the video was faked. There is probably a good explanation, but, until then, they are UFO's.

I watched it all, including the other u-tube numbers, but also listened to the dialogue including comings and goings of the 'witnesses'. Listen a bit then ask yourself how a typical public group responds to unusual events.

None of the comments struck me as unusual. Everybody seemed calm and curious watching an anomaly. I've never been in a public group witnessing something unusual, so I don't know how the masses would respond. Again, I'm not advocating, I just don't believe it to be a hoax.

I don't believe that those U-Tube vids were scripted, nor were they faked. I have seen independent digital video of the same occurrence.

My source is my first cousin Greg and his Russian-born wife Veta. Greg is a successful Dentist who owns a beach home in Naples, FL. His formal education prior to attending dental school was that of a scientist (BS/MS Geology SUNY Cortland + PHD from Cornell Univ., as well as Pre-Med earned at Univ. of SC at Columbia, SC. + his DEntal Degree from U of KY, Lousiville) ....he's nobody's fool and is quite intelligent). Veta is highly educated and is a Special Education teacher with a PHD....again, no body's fool.

On the night in question, both he and his wife witnessed the same UFOs. He took video footage with his top of the line Sony camcorder while his wife took video with her Blackberry cam followed by taking a whole slew of digital still pics with her Nikon DSLR that had 300mm Focal Length type VR telephoto lens.

They were recently up in NYC to attend the Macy's Thanksgiving Parade and then attend an American Dental Association conference the following 2 days. My wife and I met them for dinner on Saturday evening following Thanksgiving. During dinner Veta pulls out her Blackberry and showed us the video of the UFOs. I thoroughly believe them and what they witnessed.....that it was no BS. The digital video footage was approximately 35 minutes in length. My wife Pat, who's no one's fool either having grown up on Long Island, is street wise beyond her years, is the daughter of a retired high-ranking NYC Police Detective, and generally a non-believer of UFOs, was totally floored & flabbergasted by their vids. Now she's reassessing her ideas regarding the existence of Extraterrestrials and UFOs.

To sum it all up, the videos posted on U-Tube, in my estimation, were not a hoax and nearly identical to my cousin's & his wife's videos.

Sticking my neck out way way far here....just don't hack it off, okay? I will not post my cousin's last name as he wants to remain anon., plus he has a practice in Naples FL to run and doesn't need the reticule and harassment.

Just remember, there's a "world" of difference between an unidentified flying object and an extraterrestrial object.

Opppps! Sorry, I posted #104 and flubbed the LOGIN. My apologies.

Ok - Let's say they are not fake - how do you know they are run, piloted, controlled by extraterrestrials?

And while you consider that, ask your self how you could duplicate what they were filming, such that any number of people would be sure to have footage?

Always the cynic, eh?

For one, these craft are somehow controlled by some intelligence, one way or another, nor are they in my estimation were designed by mankind. Several hundreds of thousands of people around the world who have witnessed UFOs in the past 70 years or so (possibly even longer) can't all be hallucinating.....and that there is a common threads to these sightings?

Have you ever witnessed one? I can guarantee that you'll quickly change your tune if you did. I invite you to visit either the Pine Bush located in Orange County NY or Somona CA, both hot spots of UFOs, with occurrences almost on a nightly basis.

I'm not here to argue semantics with you 34. I respect your position on this subject, just as I would ask that you respect my position.

Forever

No I haven't witnessed a UFO.

But I have witnessed IFO's that many called UFO's

I've also noticed that the "UFO" design has tended to update with literature and film over that 70 years.

And you obviously do not "respect" my "position" when you rely on confrontational pseudo authority statements like "Have you ever witnessed one?"

If Orange County NY and Sonoma County CA are "UFO hot spots," why haven't systematic, replicable observations been made and reported? Or have they?

There has been a good number of vid's and still photos made over the years in those 2 locations. All you have to do is look for them online....

I don't think that I should have to search for these. Instead, it is the obligation of enthusiasts to put forth their alleged evidence for critical examination. I realize full well that this will seldom happen, but that is not my problem....

Hi Kramarat,

Things we dont understand, at lot of people will just lock out of their minds, they just dont want to know about it, lets call it the Tunnel Vision Sindrome. From what I have heard there are a billion, billion stars in the universe ( I dont know who counted them) but lets just say that the circumstances that created spaceship earth was a chance of 1 in a billion and that we are not in the centre of the universe, it is possible that there are a billion other civilsations on other planets all over the universe.

I have no idea how long the big bang has building the universe, but I understand that our planet has been around for about 4.5 billion years. With this in mind and the fact that we are not the centre of the universe this means planets closer to the centre of the universe have had more time to develop their space travel skills due to their planet being older than ours, a planet 10,000 years older than ours could have the technoligy to travel vast distances.

Think about it, if you were around 200 yrs ago and you said that one day it would be possible to go from the UK to NY in 3 hrs, they would have thought you were nuts, even if we said it 100 yrs or maybe even 50 yrs ago.

Technoligy have changed so much over the last 50 years, with minaturising of electronic components, and now that we are understanding nano technoligy, technoligy is going to advance at a faster rate, not only for electronics but for every thing man made, space ships will use this technoligy, things will change rapidly.

One day in the near future we may be visiting other planets in other solar systems. Setting up colonies etc.

I belive that we are not alone in the universe, I think it would be naive to believe we are alone in the universe.

Disclamer: Some of my spelling will be incorrect, Some of my facts may also be incorrect, Even my own belif may be incorrect.

Happy New Year to all CR4 Partisapants

Best Regards

Joe

We are just recently beginning to discover that other stars have planets, some of them at distances from their stars that would give temperatures suitable for life such as on our earth. The vast number of stars makes for significant probability of other life, as estimated by the "Drake equation." Everything is still speculative, but quite a few people would agree that other life seems likely.

That said, there are also strong probability reasons that such life has not traveled here. That doesn't rule out the possibility, of course, but it does suggest that claims of visitors are very unlikely.

The 1972 book UFO's: A Scientific Debate (ed. Carl Sagan and Thornton Page) still holds up quite well.

Hi Tornado, what you are refering to is life as we know it. But life possibly even intelegent life may have adapted to its current living conditions. For example the press relase from Nasa recently that found simple life forms in an acidic atmosphere.

Dont quote me on this, I may be wrong.

Cheers

Joe

"Life as we know it" is ineluctably parochial, but we don't have a lot of choice about what sorts of life we can observe--we're stuck with what we've got!

I hadn't heard of the NASA results, but I would imagine that there is some range of acidity/alkalinity in which life might arise. The Miller-Urey experiments in the 1950s produced some amino acids out of more primitive "building block" molecules. It is unsure whether the earth's early atmosphere matched the Miller-Urey assumptions, but I think that varying life chemistries could arise from varying initial conditions. I don't know that, but at least we do know that life arose at least once.

I would bet more than once, and more than in one place. But I'll never be around to win/lose this bet, unless some aliens show up! (C'est la vie, say the old folks....)

Pragmatism at its best. GA.

GA for that - but statistics don't mean the one can't happen, or hasn't.

As said IFOs can be UFOs to many. "Experimental" is often happily "UFO". UFOs are easily faked. So problem 1 is proof of "truly UFO" and problem 2 is proof of "extraterrestrial control".

E.g. the Martians currently have both proofs, but still no actual 'alien'.

UFO≠alien. Why is it that when the term UFO is used alien is automatically implied with it? A UFO is simply that. A UFO flown by extraterrestrial biological entities is a whole lot of stuff thrown on top of a simple acronym. Given the history of Top Secret aircraft flown by the US military there is, undoubtedly, aircraft which would surprise us if it flew by, and be declared as an UFO. Which would accurately describe it; no aliens necessary.

Fully agree, as have several (though only one has been hounded for saying it) <pun

Well Anonymous Hero, argument together, I like the way you think. You get my GA as your reasoning seems very sound, thanks for taking the time to spell it out to me.

Cheers

Joe

Well, I believe you saw what you saw captmoosie.......as well as a lot of others.

All I can say, is that if all credible evidence is instantly collected and hushed up by the government, (not just the US, but I'm sure all of them), and civilian sightings/pictures/videos are passed off as easily explainable anomalies or hoaxes, then I guess, besides the witnesses themselves, the rest of us will never know.

Interviews with high ranking former military personnel.........or astronauts, for that matter, apparently, mean nothing.

I revised my first comments. They were rude. I'm done here. This is in no longer a rational discussion.

"Credible UFO Testimony"

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This won't take four hours to watch, and the time of year of right to revisit this.

Have your neighbor check out Radioactive: The Mystery of McCarthy's Pond.

There are some great comments there, too.

Oh Boy!! Thanks, I'll send it on........I'm sure he'll be interested.......me too!

70% of our planet is covered by water.Let's open a new can of worms:

USO's.Unidentified Submerged objects.Those that emerge from the sea at tremendous speeds, and disappear under the water just as quickly.Perhaps they use a cavitation bubble under water,and something analogous in the air,by creating a "bubble" in space-time?Or perhaps a space-time bubble would work above or below the surface.

The Russians have one (well several hundred) of those.

Ha ha, now it's an IFO!

I know about the cavitating torpedoes,etc.,we have them too,as well, but to leave from under the water and go supersonic in the air,then go back into submarine mode? I have not heard about any terrestrial civilization having them.. please tell me more....

Who is "we" and why do you "need to know"?

If I identified myself,my life would be worthless, it is better I remain a mystery.As for a "need to know" it is rather a need to tell. Do YOU have a need to KNOW,or are you content to speculate on the validity of others' statements? When we determine that you have sufficient security clearance much will be revealed, but not in a public forum.We will contact you.We have already determined your identity and will be contacting you soon, or not.

curiouser and curiouser said alice

Uh-oh does he think he coming with a velvet hammer an bong you with it does he thinking that...don't worry you won't feel a thing....