Credible UFO Testimony

That's curious - 70% of my desk is now covered in coffee

I somehow sense that this entire discussion will become irrelevant very quickly when and if Wiki's Julian Assange releases his hacked DoD and CIA documents regarding UFOs, etc., as promised/threaten.

Should be an eye opener for all of mankind concerned. Personally, I think that piece of crap ought to rot in the Federal prison at Marion for the rest of his life for the DoS leaks and subsequent postings, but hey that's solely my opinion. A great deal of hurt will most likely result, especially on US Troops currently in the field and their future operations.

Geeezzz, no one has dropped a "dime" on me yet? Maybe the Army's IG is a tad too busy to bother? Anyhow, last I looked around these parts it takes a Quarter to activate the public pay phone, that's if you can even find one now days! LOL Also, I somehow doubt that the DoD operator will authorize reverse charges for any call. Har har har!

The Russians have a couple hundred of WHAT?

Have a great day folks!

**Julian Assange releases his hacked DoD and CIA documents regarding UFO** How can you categorize what Julian did as hacking?? The data was handed or sent to him. I'm really surprised at this characterization coming from a person of such detail, really! Like this dude is the bad guy, he some how by walking past the building compromised the security system p l e a s e........

I agree, if anyone should be prosecuted, it should be the low level military person that stole the material in the first place.

The whole thing screams a false flag, of what? Could be used as a pretext to now insist we need make the Internet less free for national security reasons? Maybe not, truth is stranger than fiction and you can't make this stuff up but the opportunity to use the vehicle; we shall see how transparent we are eh?

Beg to differ. It is like receiving stolen property and then giving it away. However, only if you knowingly solicit for that information (see the 1969 case agains Daniel Elisberg (Pentagon Papers)).

This is the crux of the case being constructed against Assange. If a case can be built that shows Assange knowingly cultivated the data then there will probably be a case of conspiracy against Assange.

That's the legal stand. On the moral side Assange claims that no states should have secrets. Basically, Assange has stated that any state that is spending money and resources to protect or hide information, then the reasons for doing that must be nefarious. I differ with that stand for a number of reasons. It is reasonable that nations should have secrets because they protect the citizens and interests of those nations.

If all secrets were revealed the art of diplomacy would vanish and probably would result in even more wars.

People have a right to privacy and so do diplomats have a right to their own opinions and to hold those opinions secret when it serves their countries.

The good news is that of the mountains of documents released, all have been rather low level papers.

If there really is anything earth shattering, I would have suspect that it would have been released, particularly if there is evidence of aliens and UFOs. The fact that nothing has surfaced tends to indicate that there really isn't anything there.

2 ¢ from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Official_Secrets_Act#Official_Secrets_Acts_in_other_countries

"The United States does not have any Official Secrets Act, although the Espionage Act of 1917 has similar components. Much of the Espionage Act remains in force, although some has been struck down by the Supreme Court as unconstitutional because of the First Amendment (See United States v. The Progressive, Brandenburg v. Ohio, New York Times Co. v. United States)."

I would think the major "crime" Assange is guilty of, is becoming a 'media focus' to send stuff to.

Much as Ralf Nader became, after publishing "Unsafe at Any Speed".

I agree secrets are necessary in terms of Military and National Security. E.g. US v Progressive above.

There is perhaps an 'in conflict' argument with 'whistle blowers' acting due to a social conscience, on behalf of 'the people'. E.g. the biological weapons accidents.

However; I feel any breach - handed to Assange, or put up on the web, or just spoken outside the organization - should slate home to examining the morality/motives of 'leaker', not result in an attack on the morality of the 'un-soliciting receiver'.

Ooops...way off topic. My bad - will go vote self down.

You think Assange was intent upon espionage and thats why he publicized the documentation? I must be missing the secretive MO somehow? I suppose much investigative reporting will now be past as in history like what happened to NPR. I feel much safer don't you.

okay okay okay, my bad, and you guys are correct. I stand very corrected. But the dweeb didn't have to post the documents either, knowing full well what potential harm they would cause. I don't view the guy as any hero whatsoever and he should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of US Statutes, and there are plenty of those.

Agreed, the little brat working in the Pentagon ought to rot in Marion or Leavenworth as well......maybe Assange's cellmate/"Bubba" perhaps? LOL

We may have thought about balancing what he didn't release too. What was released certainly rocked a few boats and the known content is ambiguous. I think that the fallout may actually benefit troups on the ground. I'm of the oppinion Julian should not be procsecuted

It's here, right now.

It's not a large craft or anything like that.

It's just a light..............it's not a star.

It's 4 AM and it's just sitting above the nuke plant.

Whatever, I'm going back outside.

If I had any credibility, I guess it's gone now.

I'm back in, in my edit time. It moved from one point in the sky to another, very quickly.

Why bother....................my bad.

Kram, for what it's worth I do believe you that you're seeing an UFO repeatedly over that nuke plant.

I too am up late @ 4:40 AM listening to "Coast to Coast AM"....

Ever listen to that show, with George Noory (1 AM to 5 AM)? If not, Google it, and go try it. Every so often his discussions w/ guests are about UFOs and ETs, and even weirder stuff. You can listen online via "live streaming" downloadable app to a myriad of stations nationwide. Typically 10 million listeners nightly across the nation.

I don't, but my neighbor does. If I'm awake at that hour of the morning, I'm listening to rock n roll. It was unmistakable this morning. Now, I'm not prepared to say I saw an alien craft, but it doesn't fit into the norm of what I see on a daily basis.

I can say what it is not, it's not a star, it's not an airplane or helicopter, it's not a satellite or planet. I thought that it could be a balloon at one point, but that was 4-5 years ago. It can't be a balloon because it moves from one section of sky to another way too quickly.

I don't know what the hell it is. I like watching it though.

kram, if you can take a video of the darn thing next time it shows up. I sure as heck would like to see it in action!

yuppers, Rock 'N Roll will never die...

lynlynch recommended the same thing. The problem is, it's just a light with no point of reference. If I were to take a video, I'd just be another kook with a picture of a floating light.

Much like your experience, at some point, it isn't worth telling the story.

I just watch it. I've lost interest in trying to convince others.

There are far easier ways to look like a fool, than to try to convince people about lights in the sky.

I find it interesting......................to see a stationary point of light move from one section of the sky to another. And it's within our atmosphere, not in space.

Whatever..................I don't know what it is.......but it is what it is. I don't feel like talking about it.

(That's not true..............I don't feel like being considered a nut job...........therefore I don't talk about it.

The next time it shows up, I'll mount my video camera on a tripod and take some footage. My video camera has a 32X optical zoom, so I need to do this anyway just to get a closer look for myself. I'll use the tripod to eliminate the noticeable wobble that I'm usually experiencing if I'm still up at that hour of the morning.

Wish I was there to witness it Kram, and possibly do a few brews with you in the process!

BTW, I need to know what brand that you're drinking so that I can stock up on the right stuff....

Good luck hunting!

this presentation of new information has lifted my spirits, thank you, thank you . -------------------- GA'S TO YOU,

That was funny. Now get back in that tub buster.

I may be over later.

ha. F-tards

A crazy thought came to me yesterday, while playing with my cats using a laser pointer.

They were trying to catch this mysterious red dot that could move and turn unlike anything they had ever seen,of course, their chase was in vain.

What if some extraterrestrial kid is playing with a holographic projector toy, and screwing with us like I did my cats?

That would explain the lack of inertia and sudden movements of the ufo's.

Are we the victims of an ET prank?Surely there are wise-guy ET's.

"Hey Moe,watch those little flying things scramble when I hold this over one of their power plants"

I'd believe that

I actually stayed up until about 3AM waiting for my UFO. It was a no show.

Watch out this thread is taking on a life of it's own

You have created your own little pub :D

Hello All,

I found this interesting video on the MSNBC. com news website. Some of you may be have an interest in it....

The vertical "launching" is nearly identical to the one that I and my troops witnessed in the Saudi desert near the Tapline Road on Feb. 22, 1991, beginning around 0215 Local time. Still sends shivers down my spine just thinking about it.....

http://cosmiclog.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/01/31/5962284-jerusalem-videos-stir-ufo-buzz?gt1=43001

Please have a great evening!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=rY2FFEufsuY

Here's another video of the same event. Very interesting...

Interestingly fluid antics it seems to be doing.

The light itself looks like the one that shows up at the nuke plant, however I'm seeing it from a greater disance, and I haven't witnessed that kind of acceleration, just floating around in the sky.

Thans for the link.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/ufo-sighting-spooks-lafayette-colorado-town/story?id=13235459

Strange.

It's funny how, rather than just reporting the incident, ABC decided on their own to run it as if it was a joke.

Yes. It's curious how these type of stories are never reported with professionalism. They can't report just the facts, which seems to keep the rest of the populace from discussing these events in any intelligent manner.

Reinforcing the publics conditioning eh? To blindly be lead......

Just because I am paranoid does not mean they are Not out to get me.

The lack of valid scientific proof of extraterrestrials is not proof that they do not exist.

To believe that humans are the only sentient life forms in this vast universe is hubris of the highest order.

Whether or not they have visited Earth, is another matter entirely.

Perhaps they have a non-interference constitution or prime directive.

The vast amount of empirical evidence,although not scientifically provable, is probably not without some merit.

I do know a little about human nature,and every great discovery has been squelched by the regime that is currently in power,whether it be the church or state, and they hold fast to their positions, and guard them jealously.

History is replete with many examples of this; too many to list here.

And the scientific community is not immune to defending their territory.

In proportion to the size of the universe as a whole,we are probably smaller than an atom or electron is to us from our perspective.(anyone want to scale that for me?)

Considering our puny solar system,planet and population, how can we profess that we are the end point of evolution,and the exclusive vessel of intelligence?

There are probably alien civilizations much older and wiser than we are and they have conquered the vast expanses of the universe,perhaps by using massive(many solar masses) spinning cylinders (or other geometric forms) to create wormholes with certain features, or some process of which we are not aware.

Speaking entirely for myself,I choose to believe we are not alone. If I am wrong,, the universe is a terrible waste of real estate, just to give us little twinkling lights at night.

HTRN

"hubris of the highest order"

Sorry, can't lurk any longer

Have you really done the math past 'probability' of a Earth like Planet?

Have you factored in the possibility of a parallel evolution of a sentient species?

Have you factored what is the probability of 'them' achieving 'faster that light' travel?

Have you factored 'if they did - why would they bother with humans'?

The hubris of the highest order is you think they, or anyone gives a shite

Quite the contrary.

I realize and accept the very likely probability that we are not alone in the universe, and that we are insignificant in the big scheme of things,and that no one really gives a shite if this little dust mote we live on turns into a cinder.

If we have been visited by non terrestrials, it has probably been out of curiosity,the way we study an ant hill.I just hope some alien kid doesn't use a magnifying glass to focus sunlight on us.

http://abclocal.go.com/wls/story?section=news/bizarre&id=8050260

And raw footage:http://abclocal.go.com/wls/video?id=8050446

New FBI 'vault' discusses Utah UFOs, other secrets

That one made you a Guru. Was that intended?

Not much news anyway, Ky.

Funny, I don't feel any different. It's much like a birthday I guess.

No, not intended.

Groundbreaking news? No. Credible? Yes, I think so, as far as unidentified flying objects go.

http://www.aolnews.com/2011/04/18/the-jfk-ufo-connection-bogus-documents-or-unanswered-questions/

Apparently JFK thought the UFO phenomena had some merit.

A curious set of videos coming from London last week.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I0bapmNtKJM&feature=related

Maybe all three were hoaxed by the same person and released seperatly, or.....? If not, it is a very peculiar flying object. PFO?

Always interesting. I can't imagine why anyone would bother to fake them.

Although I can't imagine why people bother to write computer viruses either.

Looks real to me.

Thanks.

Did you see the Murphy truck? Just a frame or two in the second one. He still rules the old bastard. I think in all cases the same camera and operator have left their signature. Hoax? I've seen worse.

Hi I noticed the Murphy Truck too (Green Murphy as opposed to Grey Murphy), Seems Im not alone when it comes to spotting insignificant trivia,

This set of Videos are fakes of the first order, the insipid cameraman obviously has " time on his hands " But its refreshing to see a daylight UFO hoax.

After following this thread for months now Im still no wiser.

This just popped up. Pretty interesting. The guy recorded it from his TV. I don't think it's a bug, since it passes behind the steeples.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S0xsIVwK6uo

O.K. I'll add a very late entry here. Evidence might come in another form that hasn't been mentioned here... at least my word search couldn't find it on any page, and that is the hypothesis of abduction. There is an interesting (depending on your predisposition) docu-drama entitled, "The Fourth Kind," which contains video documentation of the acted out story.

Abductions are a phenomena that appears as dots on a page that were connected by someone who noticed they might be connected. I'm not posting this to defend OR debunk the phenomena. But just like the credentialed people in the YouTube video, mentioned in the OP, there are people with credentials who take the phenomena seriously enough to devote quality time to try to understand and/or explain it. Aliens are just one of the possible explanations. Even if you believe it is only a psychological manifestation, it is compelling, in that it is widespread (and cases are mostly independent and isolated from others) and has some common characteristics, much like NDEs do.

I'll check it out.

If the abduction stories were a psychological manifestation, it would be at least as interesting as the alien theories, due to the fact that the accounts are very similar, and occur all over the planet to people from very different backgrounds.

You're right about the commonality of NDEs also, in regard to the themes presented. Which would also be interesting to look at from different angles. If both NDEs and abduction experiences were due to a particular chemical reaction in the brains of the people that experienced them, and all reported a similar experience, I think we would be looking at something at least as bizarre as aliens and the possibility of consciousness existing outside the body.

Check out John Mack. A Harvard psychologist who studied the abductee phenomenon and concluded, much to his peers dismay, that there was something going on beyond psychosis. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Edward_Mack

Interesting. As I was reading your link, it occured to me that maybe the alien abductions aren't physical at all, but possibly a transport of consciousness to wherever they are taken. I don't think it would be a stretch of the imagination to think that the abductees could be visualizing themselves within their physical bodies. It's fairly common. It would also explain why neighbors, etc. don't see spaceships in the area when the abductions occur. If this were the case..................it would still be an abduction.

...except that there are physical changes (sores, scars, etc.) coinciding with the supposed abduction. There has also been detection (X-ray and/or MRI, I think) of what appear to be "implants" in some "victims."

As an aside, there are also cases of radiation type burns in some who only had sightings (CE of the 2nd kind). That's pretty physical evidence of some kind of encounter -- whether alien or governmental secret projects.

I have a serendipitous addition. Funny, my last post mentioned implants...

Recently, I was rummaging through the $5 video bin at a local video store and found a title, "Aliens, Abductions and Extraordinary Sightings." Having watched most of the first talk this past weekend, by Dr. Roger Leir, I was initially impressed. One of the 1-star reviews at Amazon labeled it a bunch of "boring documentaries." And if your expectation is you'll get a bunch of UFO footage to gawk at, then you would be disappointed. Makes me wonder the age of the 1-star reviewers. But Dr. Lier's talk is more of an academic ilk dealing with, what appear to be, implants of some sort. And I say I was initially impressed because it is an academic type presentation. He is commenting on slides (normal for an "academic" presentation) showing the whole process of discovery (by x-ray, MRI, etc.), removal, and different types of analysis of the objects. He mentions at the start of his talk that he actually got involved in this endeavor to disprove the idea that there might be such things as "implants." His bio. is here -- which is also on the website dealing with his research. Look at the "Research" link for the raw data of the chemical analysis of the objects. The site seems interesting enough to poke around a bit.

Bottom line: he doesn't know what the origin of these "objects" that has been removed from individuals, but they are all very similar, in description and composition. Physical evidence is usually expected to be material(s) that is(are) an anomaly regarding our current technology. As I mentioned in the previous post, this sort of evidence is somehow "not counted," by most scientists. Maybe for good reasons -- or not. But, to me, it is an intriguing avenue of research. It may very well be an "under the radar" type of evidence.

There are 3 discs in the set. As I watch them, if I find anything else of interest I will add comments to this thread, since this seems to be a good "continuing" place to post such comments.

Absolutely!

These things can't be written off. I would imagine that one of the reasons we don't get to hear much about these objects, is that more than one government is very interested in what they are, what they do, and how they work.

Yes. I didn't want to try to put too much of what I heard in the portion of the talk I have listened to, in one post, but...

Dr. Lier said he never wanted potential subjects to have undergone hypnosis dealing with abductions before he determined whether there really was something to remove and then remove it. But one case involved a lady who could remember things about her supposed "abduction," consciously, without hypnosis. She remembered being told that "they" could not only track her anywhere on the globe but other forms of life as well -- and these "implants" weren't part of the mental conversation. The implication being that these devices are not necessarily tracking devices. Really bizarre statements. Dr. Lier explained that that remembrance made her decide not to have her "implant" removed. She was sobered by the thought and probably frightened. How would any of us feel if we thought someone could find us no matter where we were in the world? -- and do whatever they wished with us against our will.

There was also mentioned the fact that these modules were encased in a covering of "true" amorphous carbon. (See "In Modern Science" paragraph here.) Dr. Lier goes through the deconstruction process of trying to find out what these critters are, layer by layer, and the analytical techniques used for discovery. Several slides were shown of objects taken from different patients, that looked almost identical. The fact that even one exists is interesting.

I know many people hear this sort of stuff and roll their eyes. But I tend to liken it to war veterans who have suffered "shell shock," (as George Carlin preferred). Those of us who have never endured war conditions can't really imagine what it is like. But I knew some Vietnam vets who were so affected that they just never could return to their "normal" selves. So, whatever these people have experienced, I wouldn't deride them or their experience. And I certainly wouldn't deride the work of people who are trying to understand the phenomena.

To me it's not something you either "buy into" or not. Most of these people really seem like victims. Whatever IT is, it isn't some conspiracy being perpetrated by the victims or the researchers investigating it.

I forgot to mention, these things are magnetic and pliable. It's interesting to see a video of how they react under the influence of a magnet.

I've seen some documentaries on cable TV about these implants, and even saw one of the surgeries where the good Doctor and a surgeon had a very difficult time removing an implant. While it was in the body it was sending out radio waves of some sort, but upon successful removal of the device those signals died as if the human body was acting as some sort of battery. Also, these devices are covered in some sort of biological growth or gel.......also, they are very difficult to remove from the human body. Skilled surgeons have a very difficult time removing in them because they MOVE around inside the body.

Odd stuff....very odd and very unnatural indeed. IMO they originate from ET's that want to keep tabs on us. there, I've gone and said it! Whack me all you non-believers! I've seen UFOs on several ocassions (see above and other blogs) and they're not of this planet, and are so advanced way beyond our Earthling tech capabilities.

Well, I finally had some time to check for any videos about Dr. Lier and his work on YouTube. Wouldn't you know it (almost) everything is on YouTube. Enjoy? I picked that one first and quickly. It may or may not be the best on YouTube. (And yes it is old considering Dr. Lier has done this for many years.)

I had seen that one on TV years ago. The narrator went out of his way to sensationalize it, but it's still interesting. I'm sure there's a good reason why these incidents aren't more widely publicized.

Humans are now using implants the size of a grain of rice, in animals, for identification, tracking, etc., so the idea isn't really far fetched. The technology behind these particular implants is very interesting.

Hey Kram, any more sightings at your local friendly nuke plant lately?

It's been a month or two. Of course I haven't been outside a lot in the wee hours of the morning.

My goal is to catch it on a nice clear morning and set up my video camera on a tripod on the front porch....................from there I can upload it to youtube and post it here.

I'm not even close to being convinced that it's an alien craft, but I know it's not an airplane or helicopter. The movements are way too strange. My guess is that it may be some kind of tethered balloon with lights on it, that's floated up to take readings above the cooling towers, but I've never heard of that being done either.

Then again, strange sightings around nuke plants and weapon arsenals are not that uncommon.

Yeah got that right....you forgot to mention USAF ICBM silos and USN nuke sub bases.

http://main.aol.com/2012/04/03/ufo-encounter-pilot_n_1405945.html

Wild stuff.

I have no doubt that these things are out there, who knows if humans are behind them or not. What I'd really like to know about is the technology that enables them to fly.

Probably like many others ,I am still reading this thread with interest and following the links,there are an awful lot of theorys from wild off the wall to some more sensible ideas.I am supprised that the word s UFO is applied to so many sightings,The military have a lot to answer for here in my opinion ,as an example Cruise missiles, I very much doubt that they were made and just put into various bunkers /launch silos ETC.You can be sure the engineers flew them all over the place ,( hopefully without active warheads) and that is only one of endless military type missiles , you can be sure many other nations have been testing their Rockets/missiles in a similar way.

Then I read about prototype flying automobiles,And never forget the "pranksters" in many shapes and forms. What really catches my full attention in most UFO reports and sightings is the creatures flying them( Human or) Aliens are very publicicity shy, maybe the atmosphere is not to their liking.!! you would think if they have the technology to travel either in time or across the universe then they would have sufficent weaponary to protect themselves and just land their Saucers and say hello.