i remember when this question was a matter of nationally debate. people were concerened about the magnetic fields produced by high voltage power lines. some claimed it caused cancer. the government denied any safety concerns. in really, they had no choice. image the repercussions.

personnally, i think they do.

Static magnetic fields interact with the body?

Static magnetic fields may generate currents around the heart

A static magnetic field is a force field created by a magnet or by the steady flow of electricity, for example in appliances using direct current (DC).

4.1 Static magnetic fields could interact with the body in the following ways. They could:

• generate electric fields and currents around the heart, and slightly impede the flow of blood,
• affect metallic implants and possibly some biological molecules and cell structures in the body, and
• possibly interfere with some chemical reactions in the body.

4.2 The interactions of biological tissue with a static magnetic field depend on the physical properties of the field, such as the strength and direction of the field at a given location inside the body. Interactions with the body that are likely to be of most consequence for health occur when there is movement in the field because of body motion or blood flow.

The use of increasingly stronger machines in medical imaging makes interactions with the body more likely. It has become a priority to gain a better understanding of these interaction mechanisms, through computer modelling as well as experimental observations.

The question http://cr4.globalspec.com/thread/65316 has someone who is very concerned with too much electricity in his body. Most of us are about 98.5% sure he has been given some bad information. But, you seem to have actual knowledge of electricity in the body related to static magnetic fields. You might consider responding to his posting.

Bruce

Re: How can I measure electricity in my body? I NEED YOUR HELP! I was recently told that I have an overload of electricity in my body and I want to document this. Have you ever heard of such a thing and is there a way of correcting this problem I have? I'm a 62 year old male; I have been complaining about pins and needle feeling for the past few years and have gotten no relief from the problem. I was given a nerve test by Dr. Ronald C. Fagan, M.D., P.C. and was told I have carpel tunnel in my hands. I was instructed to get surgery on both hands which were done in February of 2009 by: Dr. Charles P. Melone, M.D. and still no relief. After seeing many other doctors I met with Dr. David Borenstein, M.D. who did Provoked URINE TOXIC METALS TEST which shows I have elevated LEAD. Please see the attached test. I pride my self as being a very logical person and I believe the lead in my body is acting as a ground for all electromagnetic fields creating the problems I am feeling. THE FOLLOWING ARE SOME OF THE WAYS I WAS EXPOSED TO LEAD: v I worked as an electrician and in the lighting field for many years. As an electrician I tested for electrical current with my hands many times throughout my life, (110v - 220v) v For about 2 years I worked in a small costume jewelry factory. v In my prior apartment, were I lived for 34 years there is a lead pan in the stall shower under the tiles. v For about 5 years I worked at a lampshade factory in Sunset Park Brooklyn with peeling paint on walls and ceiling. v I'm also a hobbyist and have worked with lead solder many times throughout my life. I have had a several pacemakers since 1977, I received my last pacemaker July 2008 and sometime after that I get the above feeling got much worse, whenever I am near or hold any electronic devices. My cell Phone and my laptop are the worst. These are some of the other problems I am having. Burn marks in the facial area • Burning, pain, pins and needles, tingling feeling on hands, feet, abdomen and chest • Heart problems • Dull to piercing headache

I have been told that electricity can't do this to my body, this can't make sense if all things are balanced correctly. What happen with water, the earth and body are both made up of 70% water. What happens when the water is displaced from one area to another, people die. The same goes for electromagnetic fields, people can die, get cancer, shocks and so on. Everything must have a balance and at the present time I am unbalanced do to my own ignorance. using electricity in the wrong manor, to many xrays, testing electric current with my hands, I have also have a pacemaker and have had one since 1977. I also have elevated levels of lead, mercury, and arsenic in my blood.

Might I suggest treatment for heavy metal poisoning?

Remarkable.

Verification that EM fields are causing your headaches? That is quite the hypothesis!

What the people who haunt this thread are VERY qualified to do is to help you cut through the verbiage and information which is no doubt flooding your life right now. Medical tests are odd things....they only give indications and you must beware of false positives, or of doing anything on the basis of those tests. A good article on this topic can be found here. (This just to show that the world of alt med is not ALL bad...)

As anybody who has done experiments of any kind knows (or should remember) is that diagnoses and verification are two vastly different things. Diagnosis requires an open mind, tests, experience, and research. This will develop a "hypothesis". (You hypothesise that your cell phone is causing pins and needles in your feet) Now you have to proceed to the "verification" stage. Before treatment should be allowed to commence, you must verify the diagnosis. There are too many human elements involved to proceed to treatment without verification. (Lead in your system is not a verification that cell phones are causing poor circulation, it is a verification that like most North Americans, you have lead in your system.) The members of CR4 can certainly help you there. This involves a fairly simple series of tests. There are universally agreed upon criteria on how to conduct such a series. They are usually called "double blind" tests.

So if you set up some double blind tests you would be able to determine if your diagnosis was correct. This is very important if you are breaking new ground, or attempting to prove an unusual hypothesis like yours. If it cannot be verified with double blind tests, then you MUST look at a different hypothesis. Your health, and possibly eventually your life is at stake here, so you are certainly motivated.

Me, I would think a half dozen cell phones with one of them with a dead battery and a game of "find the dead cell phone" would be sufficient. See if you can do it six times in a row without turning them on. Then we have "results". One way or the other. If this was not done, then all diagnoses are suspect. If the results are not as you expected, then you should seek an alternative theory. Your health is more important than somebody else's cherished theory. (For instance, it could be as simple as when you clench the cell phone, the muscles tighten and limit circulation....or you lean forward when you type causing your body to...well, you get the idea. There could be many things which cause your problems....you have to eliminate them one after another.)

Good luck...there is a lot of mis-information out there. The trick is to not throw the baby out with the bath water.

The safety of application of these electromagnetic fields is attested by the World Health Organization, which reported: "The available evidence indicates the absence of any adverse effects on human health due to exposure to static magnetic fields up to two Tesla" (2T = 20,000 Gauss).

Can you elaborate on this?. What are the home,office and industrial appliances which emits more than this level?. It will be a very useful guide to everyone.

And what about the beneficial effects apparently as per this ?

Magnet_therapy

We know electrocution kills men.If magnet therapy is accepted you must accept the converse of it too "magnetic field is harmful" In ancient europe scientists have demonstrated that by passing an electric current(magnitude,duration,ac or dc is a secret)through the body of persons who have been hanged to death he could be brought back to life. It was banned as it was illegal.

It seems that this method works well with frog legs too.

Bill

GA

I grew up next to a field with high voltage hydro lines. "I am not dead yet"

This is up there with cell phones causes brain tumours, and microwave ovens will kill you.

As you stated the world is more than awash with the EM spectrum.

Forgot to add, the only time I worry about magnetic fields is when I work in a MRI lab.

I leave my wallet and keys at the door.

Excess of any thing is bad. Magnetic field cuts both way.

Can be used in medical therapy to cure few human problem

If magnetic field is strong may effect heart and chemical imbalance because of magnetic waves.

Really? And what is actually "cured" with magnetic fields in a hospital. Magnetic therapy is considered a junk science.

What an awesome answer ! All true !

However, the Earth's enormous magnetic field is what is keeping us all sane and erathbound. Some guests, however, seem to have overcome this and gone saner (or insane?)

Re:

"However, the Earth's enormous magnetic field is what is keeping us all sane and erathbound ..."

Hmmm ... izzit because (as wiki article, linked above says):

"Natural gas prices in North America are more or less set at this junction"

? ?

I'm very happy to report that my magnetic fields only do about half the things that your magnetic fields do.

You left out friends who borrow tools and do not return them.

You forgot dust bunnies and it causes the iron to turn on while you are away.

You said, "If it were harmful to the human body, we would never have existed on this planet. "

That doesn't seem like a very sound argument. Applying that logic one could argue:

• The Earths surface is mostly covered with water and it falls from the sky
• Without water we would die
• Therefore, water can not be harmful to humans

What you say can make sense if all things are balanced correctly. What happen with water, the earth and body are both made up of 70% water. What happens when the water is displaced from one area to another, people die. The same goes for electromagnetic fields, people can die, get cancer, shocks and so on. Everything must have a balance and at the present time I am unbalanced do to my own ignorance. using electricity in the wrong manor, to many xrays, testing electric current with my hands, I have also have a pacemaker and have had one since 1977. I also have elevated levels of lead, mercury, and arsenic in my blood.

It's the alternating magnetic fields (e.g. 50Hz/60Hz) that did not exist in prehistory. Magnetic therapy is predicated on an assumption that the (alternating) lines of magnetic flux surrounding a 20th Century electrical appliance will not cut but will tend to flow around the lines of magnetic flux of a stronger (static) magnetic field.

To create such a gaussian sheild (think of it as the magnetic equivalent of a faraday cage) you set the opposite poles of two strong magnets a short distance apart, and the strongest part of the shield will exist between the two closest poles. (If you set them with repelling poles nearest each other, the flux lines will splay out instead of concentrating, wasting flux in larger loops.) A bracelet is an ideal configuration for holding two such magnets in the required configuration. A pillow with a checkerboard pattern of upwardly facing N and S magnets is another clever configuration for creating maximum local magnetic flux density.

that reminds me of the time i watched a 'water witcher" devine for a new water well being drilled for a nieghbor. he used a pocket watch on a chain

he found water, but i was skeptical, so i tried it myself using two bent brazing rods. i could find a 3" gas line buried 32" underground and several water weeps near a hill side. i had other hits, but i did'nt bother to investagate.

I am quite certain that the most dangerous magnetic field is the one between two really big rare earth magnets..

Keep out of that space!

Such good advice! GA

MRI = magnetic field.......get in the tube you'll be just fine!

The ICNIRP ( International Commission on Non- Ionizing Radiation Protection ) is an international commission of scientific experts in the area of biological and health effects of electric and magnetic field. They publish reference values for all applications. It is a good reference document.

Can an extract pertained to this discussion be sighted? Since such publication may not be at easy reach to many...

As already pointed out, we all live in a huge magnetic field, I personally believe that static fields do no harm (unless as someone pointed out, you are between two huge magnets as they come together....)

I can well believe that very strong high frequency fields could have some risk attached, though I don't think I have ever been harmed. I have even been in a radar field that lit up the neons and the fluorescent tube I had in my hands.......and I still have two children......yes they are mine, that was checked!!! Our blood type is very rare......

I have several induction stoves, great for cooking, all turn down the field automatically when you take the pan off, and shut down a few seconds later if the pan is not replaced. Its the only annoying habit they have.....

I tested (mentioned in another blog about induction cooking a year or so back) a frying pan under full power, by placing a steel spoon near to the pan. It did not get hot. I then paced it in the crevice between the pan and the plate, in contact (point) with both, it did get slightly warm. But as long as the gap was 1 centimeter or more, no heating effect was found.

I suspect its due to the fact that magnetic fields would rather go through iron and steel, rather than air, so they are all/mostly "captured" by the steel pan......

(If a pan is non magnetic, it will not work on an induction hob anyway! The hob simply turns itself off each time....)

Unless the hob is defective in some way that I have never personally seen, you are in no danger. You will like the cooking method though......its the best of all there is.....its hard to burn a saucepan, possible (my wife achieves it on any form of cooking) but much harder.

You will never get an oil or fat fire as the hob turns itself off if the temperature in the pan exceeds 240°C (or thereabouts), good oil must be hotter to ignite. So it has great safety features......

I never hear anything about this particular point _{maybe for good reason}.

When blood gives up it's oxygen, the iron oxide becomes iron (red to blue). If, as the iron laden blood returns to the heart and then onto the lungs to pick up more oxygen, it were to pass by a strong, local magnetic field, as in wearing a magnetic bracelet, wouldn't there be a local accumulation of iron so as to restrict blood flow and if that magnetic field were suddenly removed, would that accumulation act as a clot headed to the heart and lungs?

Sounds like an easy experiment to try.

Me, I can't get red rust to stick to a magnet. I suspect iron oxide has different or no magnetic properties. Or maybe I am doing it wrong. And since blood uses rust to carry oxygen, I would not expect it to develop a "local accumulation" to to a "local magnetic field". Sounds like some excellent opportunities for experiment.

Let us know the results!

This may interest; in a sort of 'cat among the pidgins' sort of way ()

Magnetic tape was invented for recording sound by Fritz Pfleumer in 1928 in Germany, based on the invention of magnetic wire recording by Valdemar Poulsen in 1898. Pfleumer's invention used an iron(III) oxide(Fe₂O₃) powder coating on a long strip of paper. This invention was further developed by the German electronics company AEG, which manufactured the recording machines and BASF,

Yeah...maybe I am doing it wrong.

Oh well. Its not like this is an earth shattering revelation. Electric fields have been around for a very long time. I know people who live in faraday cages. Others practically strap cell phones to their heads! Heck, I have seen some people who believe that cell phones can start fires at gas pumps, and so warning labels are common at gas stations. And some people strap on "blue ray" bracelets and "copper bracelets with magnets in them", and swear they feel better. Certainly lighter in the wallet pocket for sure.

So cell phones burn out brain cells in kids. Hmmm. Come to think of it, so did "reefer madness", and "demon gin" and a hundred of other things. There always seems to be more brain cells to burn out. And more kids where those came from.

Ah well. Such a problem...that unseen, unfelt, and mysterious force we call "magnetism". I think Dr. Mezmer explored the topic pretty thouroughly. His writings are still the last word "in his field".

My philosophy on alcohol brain cell damage is "Survival of the fittest", only the weak cells are destroyed, leaving the strongest and fittest to carry on.That is why we always feel smarter when drinking!

I will drink to that!

Actually, blood, like water, is weakly diamagnetic, meaning that it is (very weakly) repelled by a strong magnetic field. The iron atom in a hemaglobin molecule is isolated from other iron atoms. Only when iron atoms are in close proximity and their magnetic moments reinforce does the iron become ferromagnetic. (Google diamagnetic levitation)

Regards.

This whole universe is in a magnetic-field.

Each motion of human body produces electric pulses or potentials; Our Heart produces a special waveform called RST with a P point for Cardioalgists diagonostics.

Movement of eyes, ...

Microwave is not Magnetic-Field but very-High frequency waves, Light is also combination of a number of waves in "visible-spectrum of Frequencies" from Red to Voilet. Red & Infra-red contains Heat-energy & Voilet & ultra-voilet are dangerous for Living organs; normally used for disinfecting the minor-operation theator tools & guase.

The Electromagnetic Spectrum

! No atomic iron inside us! It would be converted to ionic iron immediately and this is toxic.

Iron's state of oxidation and reduction can be changed by our inside chemistry - but all this is protein-chemistry.

To my knowledge there is only one effect known with a magnetic field of near 3T (that is near 30,000 Gauss) in modern MRI imagers. The patients see non-existing lights flashing in their brains - so I would think this may be an interaction of the nerve currents with the magnetic field.

You will need a superconducting coil to achieve more than 2 T! Try and measure!

1T is roughly equivalent to 1 million amp-turns per meter of coil-length. Not an easy task to tackle!

Give your head and fingers an opportunity to invent something.

RHABE

Regards.

But Physio-Therapy uses magnetic field as heating of organs.

Try this link to the National Institutes of Health.

http://www.niehs.nih.gov/health/topics/agents/emf/

check out this link for some recent uses of magnetic fields to improve memory:

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2011/01/110128121629.htm

If link does not work, just copy and paste.

This will always be a heated debate because pet theories and interpretations of the science abound, just like in the cell phone / microwave exposure debate. There are people who remain unconvinced about the long term health effects of exposure to low frequency electromagnetic fields (LFEMF). Even explaining the possible physical interaction with the human body does require certain basic assumptions. 50/60Hz sources are treated differently to DC magnets in this debate. The LFEMF health risk theory is that a 50/60Hz alternating magnetic field can induce a slight background electrical "hum" in your central nervous system which normally only sees voltages that are due to neurotransmitter chemical production. The therapeutic magnet theory is that the reluctance of a stable DC magnetic field can damp out some of these AC components.

I know that electricity companies in Australia play it safe regarding this debate and take great care with the placement of their overhead electricity transmission wires near schools and houses, so as to limit the constant background LFEMF inside the threshold of any dwelling to around 2 milligauss, even though walking directly beneath these wires will temporarily expose you to 5 - 10 milligauss typically.

I've surveyed my own house, street and office with an AC gauss meter because I was interested in what my own house wiring and appliances were emitting. I found that the house wiring itself hardly registered even at the wall sockets. Small unshielded iron transformers easily exceeded 2 milligauss even at several meters range, a cheap digital clock radio being a classic example, exposing me to around 20 milligauss all night if I slept with it right next to my head. (It got moved to the other side of the room.) Microwave ovens are even more intense due to the iron in the magnetron core, but typical exposure is occasional not constant. One benefit of using switchmode psu's is that their LFEMF signature is extremely low. I'd guess that an induction stove-top would be a strong source of LFEMF but at its own induction frequency not at 50/60Hz.

Simple distance from an LFEMF emitter is an effective avoidance strategy (apart from the obvious one of switching stuff off or removing it from the house if you're still worried). Halving the distance squares the intensity, therefore the converse is true that even a small extra separation can give a useful attenuation. Averaging your total daily dose to a 2 milligauss constant equivalent seems to be the goal, regardless of the occasional exposure intensities.

My first thought was de-magnetizer.There was a group on Yahoo called green glow that was working on anti-gravity.they could have a lttle knowledge on magnetic issues,some people think its a group for commenting on e.t .,but it wasnt originally.

Here is a link to the National Institute of Health study which concluded that even at the low power line frequency, it is a "possible carcinogen" linked to leukemia, breast cancer, and other problems. There is also the issue of transients.

I heard a story about how the Japanese; during WWII; cleared minefields using a tank base, with a boom and a high powered magnet suspended from it. The story went that the people who operated these tanks, never lived that long and, it was presumed that they died from natural causes. Until long after the war someone linked they're early deaths, to the use of the high powered magnets.

I done a quick search on the net, but came up with nothing. Is this a myth?

I remember in US electric blanket is not populer cause they creats good amount of fagnetic field around user. That causes bad disease. What will you analyse out of this, same as use of electric saver.

The iron in blood can get affected by the earths magnetic field. So, it is better to sleep with head on south or if not then east. You will have better sleep. With cell phones having compass now, so when you chose your room in a hotel , see the bed position. it works.

This is complete baloney.

It might be conceivable (though unlikely) that one should orient the body axis either parallel to, or perpendicular to, a magnetic field. If one is better and the other worse, then south/east will also be better/worse. Anyone who approves of both south and east is completely clueless, and quite likely is only parroting someone else's goofy pseudoscience.

Who comes up with this dopey nonsense?

Probably the Moonies or some unfortunate soul selling the mindless few on harmony from your bodies pole position.

There is only one pole position that brings peace and harmony and that is when your lying on your back and and your darieair is pointing south.....now that a true north, and a happy wife.

Yes

If you had done your history, you would know that the average WW2 Japanese tank could barely stop a bullet, let alone an armor piercing round. I would not concider being cremated inside a tank a natural cause of death normaly, but for a tank crew it was.

Here we go again, another Canadian on the attack, attack, before you even really understand what has been written (blinkered and biased). If you had read the post properly, your answer could have been relevant. I thought you lot were a tolerant and balanced bunch of 'individuals'. How things have changed.

And If you knew your history, most mines of WWII were purely anti-personnel. This means they were designed to inflick the maximum damaged on flesh and bone, not metal. I felt I had to explain that, as you seem hell bent and blinkered on dismissing any adverse comments about magnetic fields (telephone masts), it sounds as is you have a vested interest to do so. In the imortal words of Yoda "Something to protect have you". So your comments are totally biased and, you couldn't possibly have an unbiased opinion.

There was no mention of the tank crews being blown up and cremated inside they're tanks. Minefields were normally never cleared during the throws of battle. That would be far to impractical chaps. Most of these crews operated behind they're own lines, making the area safe. So they would have been one of the last personnel to be killed in battle.

I await your unbiased response. I shouldn't bait you so much, but I'm just a bit p#ssed off with all bitchyness and negativeness (are they proper words? not bothered)

I should not have responded to your diatribe, but I could not resist.

You asked a question and you got an answer. You may of not liked it; to bad.

1: If you wish to have a real debate become a member and stop hiding behind the guest.

2: I will gleefully go head to head on any WW1 and WW2 history.

3: Do you actually know why the mine is called so? When was the last great mine event, and is there a possibility or an other?

4: Quoting "Yoda" you have got to be kidding!

5: What is it with the Canadian thing? Are you biased against us?

I personally think it is total BS, but if you would like a modern equivalent, how about the death rate of those who use the big electromagnets in metal scrap yards. Any different than their neighbors?

Bill

Only if you exclude those killed by falling cars

In relation to magnetic fields:

I just listened to a story from our so called unbiased CBC Radio (Canadian Broadcast Corporation), now there is a joke.

I was about three people who lived on the top floor of a large condominium in Toronto, Ontario.

Apparently all three claimed to have developed health problems, after a cell tower was erected on the roof of the condo. Just three.

They hired a so called unlicensed inspector to investigate. He went around with a device that was supposed to measure EMF. He ran yelling and screaming out of certain areas, claiming that death was imminent.

He must of read the script for "Ghost Busters"

The three of them than sold their condos and went out to the more rural areas. Less EMF.

All three still have health problems and the new owners are just fine.

Regards.

There is one point quite valid about the "Effects on Health" due to excessive exposure.

All people know that excessive Intake of quite Healthy Food & Drinks has bad effects on individual's health; excessive exposure to sunlight, heat, cold, UV ... is as dangerous as any other.

Then why not Electromagnetic / magnetic field;

This universe has all the radiations in atmosphere and are not a danger unless these bocome excessive.

There are some things whose exposure is not accumulated in human body but some do accumulate like X-Rays, UV and at some level start damaging the body elements.

Hope some light on this point of view.

Agree! I have had too much oxygen to the brain..

I do wonder about the dangerous levels of various compounds..

Particularly the ones we sell as food with nutritional labels..

What do you think about hormesis?

Regards.

It seems to be a highly technical to which I leave for GURUs in the subject.

Because one does not imply the other. Because oranges and mangoes are orange does not mean that all fruit are orange.

Simple as that.

Though I do tend to believe that an excess of pretty much anything is always bad. But I have to be shown why and how it would be bad. And how much would be considered "excess".

As per my previous link, the following:

ScienceDaily (Jan. 29, 2011) — What sounds like science fiction is actually possible: thanks to magnetic stimulation, the activity of certain brain nerve cells can be deliberately influenced. What happens in the brain in this context has been unclear up to now. Medical experts from Bochum under the leadership of Prof. Dr. Klaus Funke (Department of Neurophysiology) have now shown that various stimulus patterns changed the activity of distinct neuronal cell types. In addition, certain stimulus patterns led to rats learning more easily. The knowledge obtained could contribute to cerebral stimulation being used more purposefully in future to treat functional disorders of the brain.

The researchers have published their studies in the Journal of Neuroscience and in the European Journal of Neuroscience.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2011/01/110128121629.htm

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Additionally, they are using magnets to control position and release of oral medications, and to hasten healing and prevent re-stenosis in heart stents.

Dosage and timing are everything, as with just about everything else.

HTRN

Good for weight loss

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m-Al7GAnH8Q

I like the comment below;

"what you see is a 32mm hole.

what you don't see is the van-sized cylinder it's in, the small building of equipment to control, contain and cool it (otherwise it would both melt and tear it self apart), and the small town of power to create the 16-tesla field around the 32mm central voide."

scienceprimo 1 year ago <also go's somewhere 'interesting', possibly 'relevant'.

Anything in excess including food and medication should be harmful. The health authorities should advise the public regarding the safe levels,duration and the impact on various categories of people(infants,youngsters,adults,seniors,pregnant mothers,those with implants etc) and which part of the body(heart,brain,eyes etc) will be harmed.

I watched a program about some maintenance guys in New York, carrying out maintenance on a mast on the Empire State building. They carried they're work out with mast powered down/ not transmitting. Because as they said, if they didn't, it would cook you and, you'd be dead quite quickly. Sounds like a bloody microwave oven. Ok I realise this was close up and the energy disipates over distance. But what the bloody hell is the prolonged exposure to this type of radiation doing to use long term?

MAGNETS PROVEN TO CAUSE WEIGHT LOSS

Professor Dr. Drippy Snarfbucket of Hangindingle University has proven that magnets can promote weight loss.

Using 10 grad students as test subjects, he had each of the subjects wear a 30 pound horseshoe magnet around his/her neck for a period of 30 days. Weight loss ranged from five pounds to twenty two pounds, with an average weight loss of fourteen pounds.

The only side effect noted was neck pain in some of the subjects.

Guest notes in #3 that a magnetic field has no effect on humans at 2 Tesla or 20,000 gauss.

bkar (in #23) is concerned about 20 mgauss put out by his clock radio.

Lets see... 2E-2 / 2E4 = 1E-6 so bkar is worried about a field which is .0001 percent of a level which the WHO says has no effect on humans.

I think I would find something more meaningful to worry about.

If you will read the previously mention link by HiTek, you will see that magnetism,per se, is indeed used for healing by changing the synaptic pattern in the brain.It is also being tested and shows great promise for treating depression and psychosis in otherwise unresponsive patients.

It is impossible to separate the electric and magnetic forces at present, and if there is electrical current flowing, there is an accompanying magnetic field.

Our thoughts are electro-chemical, but there is a magnetic component present by default.

An electric current flowing through water will split the hydrogen from the oxygen, proportional to the current flow.It will also break other chemical bonds as well.

An induced magnetic field will produce an accompanying electric current,proportional to the field.This could cause certain chemical changes in the cells.A very small field will cause a very small change, but a change none the less.

The changes induced in certain areas will have no effect,but in others the changes may be profound, as in the brain, which is the center of our electrical control system.

Now excuse me, I must don my lead shielded helmet, and adjust the tin foil on my rabbit ears,to prevent extraneous messages from impinging on my thought processes.

G'day.

Aussie

I think the key paragraph in that link is the one that says they don't know WHAT they are doing to the brain, just that they are doing "something" by hitting it with magnetic fields. Since the brain is an electrical organ, it is not too surprising that pulsing magnetic fields might have an effect.

Question I have is... these people talking about fixing, are we talking about curing neurological problems or are we talking about monitoring the brain function with MRI (or Magnetic Resonant Imagining)? MRI will fix a brain just as much as X-rays might fix a broken leg. It AIN'T going to happen... but it gives the Docs a smaller area to work with.

NOW! If we could use a MRI to be the laser (such as a laser guided bomb is used) then we might have something.

Bill

All we need to do now, is design the bomb.

wws

That's A Terrific Concept - but why not just make it a giant beam? - then all their tanks stick together in a huge heap along with all the small arms - perfect!

_{And let's just hope no one gets their fingers caught.}

Magnetic field and electrostatic fields have come to stay,we can't avoid them but we should know the safe distance to keep away from equipment to reduce or avoid ill effects. Even hair dryer or shaver or a fan emits radiation.