Plagiarism

Nah, I don't think it's plagiarism. They just don't bother reading the posts before answering..........................I've been guilty of it myself.

I'm gonna be pi$$ed if I see this same answer show up later in the thread.

It's no big deal at all but repackaging someone else's work and calling it your own is weak. You can see it here time to time where a thread is going in a certain direction and a new thought enters the conversation. Right after that you see a turn in the responses. It just makes me laugh.

Funny stuff goes on here all the time.............it's part of the draw.

Just below the engineering surface, there's always at least two soap operas playing out somewhere on here. The shenanigans here are part of what makes it, (what I think), the coolest, most entertaining engineering site on the planet.

I can't explain how it works, but somehow the BS that flows here integrates, (almost), seamlessly with the free exchange of knowledge.......................................pretty cool.

I agree it's cool. And I openly admit every now and then I see something that changes a long held belief on my part about how something works. I have a thirst for knowledge that will never be quenched and this place feeds right in to that. NOW STOP STEALING MY IDEAS!! jk

In my case, I try to read what I see in the thread before posting (except for old, long threads). The problem is, when I open CR4, I typically go over the front page and then the "my discussions" page and open a new tab with each thread that interests me.

Then I start working my way through the tabs. Sometimes I leave the computer and come back much later (even the next morning) and resume reviewing threads, often without, unfortunately, refreshing the threads to see any answers added since I first opened the threads.

I'm trying to get better about that if I have a long interruption, but if I'm pretty much at the computer for a long time, I don't bother--the thread that I'm looking at could be 2, 4, or even more hours old when I review it and potentially respond.

here, here.... I have done the same

Everyone is entitled to his/her other people's opinion. S.M.

It would probably really fry you if someone got a GA for repeating your answer then, wouldn't it?

There were a couple of other points I wanted to make, but someone else has already mentioned them.

Imitation is a form of flattery, you know.

CR4 is kinda like living in the USA. We all bitch about it at times, but where else would you rather be?

You are spot on, Lyn, except that you can replace USA with Belgium, France, Germany, Italy, (but not Canada, of course!), all pretty much the same.

I was once congratulated by a member on having taken the time to read a thread thoroughly before posting myself. This came from someone who shortly beforehand had earned a GA in another thread by repeating what I had already said a few posts earlier. Did it really fry me? To be honest, for a short time it did, but not enough to raise an indignant or petulant response. Then you realize it's not that important, so let's just get on with it.

We Brits are always bitching about the weather here. The few that are really bothered by the weather tend to emigrate. The rest of us will bitch, and then just get on with it, silently grateful that we don't live in France, Germany, Belgium or the USA!

Sometimes you just have to accept the nature of the way things are ... (if you can't change things) ... or else leave. If there are instances of plagiarism on CR4, it is inevitable when some threads get so long and convoluted, and whilst you could argue that the carelessness is unacceptable, at least it is not malicious or personally vindictive.

So .... stiff upper lip, and all that! Let's just get on with it.

Re: I was once congratulated by a member on having taken the time to read a thread thoroughly before posting myself. This came from someone who shortly beforehand had earned a GA in another thread by repeating what I had already said a few posts earlier.

There is a chance that was me, and if so, I wish to apologize.

At least once (and maybe a few times, but not very many, iirc), I have thanked someone for taking the time to read the previous posts in a thread.

With respect to the second part, sometimes I duplicate something because I've missed some posts (because of my habit of opening all the threads I'm interested in in separate tabs before working my way through them).

Other times, I do think I can amplify or clarify what somebody else said. It's not necessarily that what they said was wrong in any (major) sense. It is sometimes just that I would not have said it that way, or would have emphasized a different point, or similar. I sometimes respond and reiterate because I think that I can make the (already correct) reply easier to understand. I'm probably quite often wrong. ;-)

No, I don't think it was you.

You make a very good point though. I know for a fact I'm not always very good at explaining things (trying to get the right balance between brevity and clarity). And a poor explanation can sometimes confuse things. If someone comes in with a clearer, better explanation than mine, which happens from time to time, I would normally welcome it (and wish that I'd been able to say it that way).

AUSTRALIA

Yeah, but which part of this girted continent?

take your pick. Its all good. (are we going off topic - who cares we are in AUTRALIA)

Well, if you like splitting hairs, we are. I am plagiarizing a scene in two dimensions and it will never do the real thing justice.

(are we going off topic - who cares we are in AU(S)TRALIA)

Yep, in typo heaven

i think the percentage of original thinkers is small, if not negligible. For every guy who has an original thought, there are literally millions to say 'me too'. So, why are we surprised at plagiarism?

i am not. But i am livid when i see this. However, i say philosophically.."Imitation is the best form of flattery!" and go on with my life.

A nagging uneasy feeling remains. While i was thinking that facts will speak for themselves, and i will get credit for my work, my manager had a way to make those facts dance to his tune, and got big promotions and raises, leaving me with a big thump on the back !

Familar ?

Dam you! Quit stealing my good stuff! You'd better not get a GA for that.

I posted it off topic......I need 7 GA's....then I'll think is really funny.

You like that, I have more.......

Try this:

My girlfriend thinks I stalking her...............well, shes not really my girlfriend yet.

'....well she's not my girlfriend yet...'

:-) I like that. I intend to practice what I have learned in this thread by plagerizing it repeatedly. It fits right in with one of my favorite off hand remarks....

...

I miss my ex......but my aim is improving.

:-)

hmm,, "after which another registered member rimmed me out"

I think you meant "after which another registered member 'reamed' me out",

"rimmed" is something else entirely different, and according to those that know, not entirely unpleasant.......

Hahahaaa - said in post number? I wonder if that will change the votes ^{_{(one way or another)}}

WOW, this thread has degraded!

degraded by a typo

no, if anything this topic wore out a long time ago.

I think I said that already...are you stealing my replies???????

some things just don't now how to die........

After 75 replies...death is eminent

eminent...

if we didn't have typos on cr4, nothing would get ritten.

Yeah--eminent, imminent, immanent, emanate--just pick whichever you want!

Ed. C.

Sorry, my spell checker quits after the second glass of Cabernet.

where's my glass??

another registered member rimmed me out

"Rimmed" and "reamed" have the same number of letters. In this context, each can be used to refer to an action on the same area of the body. Some think of the first as pleasurable, but most think of the second as being a bit painful.

I strenuously object to the usage "reamed me a new one" (when I see it on an engineering site) because a reamer should not be used to make a new hole, but rather to enlarge an existing hole. "Drilled me a new one, and then reamed it to size" is better usage. (On a non-engineering site "Reamed me a new one" gets the idea across adequately. But on an engineering site we like to be able to ask: "How much did he leave for reaming? Was the reamer adjustable? Was it turned by hand or by machine?" Engineers want to know.)

You bet ! A reamer makes a H8 hole, starting from a H11 drilled hole of an appropriately smaller size.

"Reamed me a new one".... hmmm seem to have heard something somewhere....

_{The lady, somewhat late, was streaking at 75 mph. Round the bend she went, and ... you guessed it A smirking speed cop. "So what's the rush?"}

_{"Late for work"}

_{" What do you do?"}

_{"A rectum dilator"}

_{"WHAT ? How does that work for God's sake?"}

<sub>"Oh, i first put in one finger, then two, so on till the whole hand, then i use some implements, until it is about six feet wide"

"What would one do with a 6' a$$hole ?"</sub>

_{"Oh, put him with a speed gun next to a blind curve..what else?"}

thanks for sharing what seemingly your vast experience of being on both the receiving and delivering end of this action.

It's not stealing if you are sharing. "Imitation is the best form of flattery."

hehehe

It's not stealing if you are sharing. "Imitation is the best form of flattery."

finally a good answer, best answer I seen so far.

See!!!!!!!!!!!! That's just what I'm talking about. I say it first and some slacker gets the GA!

Lyn, what are you talking about?

^{Have to admit, it reenforced a very good point on the topic.}

I always heard it as "Imitation is the highest form of flattery" - Charles Caleb Colton

yah, what he said

In a sense, a lot of the stuff on here is plagiarism, since most of the technical answers could be googled................but what fun would that be.

I know I've got more than one GA for googling the answer when the OP either didn't feel like it or didn't know how. Not lyn though.

I excell at two things. Googling and pissin' people off. Not necessarily in that order.

Every man has a cause...........and you have two.

Everything has an ending only a sausage has two.

Doughnuts excepted.

And to land ya all safely, all but Charles Caleb Colton's ghost, in a way have 'stolen' this saying. S.M.

I would try plagariz...playgazi...copying other peoples stuff but half the time I don't understand the question anyway, so why bother?

I don't rent head space to those who try to annoy me.

I refuse to give them control over my adrenal gland and blood pressure.

The Chinese interpret an insult like so:

If I offer you a present and you refuse it, to whom does it belong?

Relax, live longer and be prosperous, and don't sweat the small stuff.

I think the word you need is copy-cat.. very school-yard (ish).. but fits perfectly... but until then....

What is plagiarism?

Plagiarism, believe it or not, comes from a Latin verb that means, "to kidnap." If you plagiarize you're kidnapping and stealing others' hard work and intellectual property. It is academic and public dishonesty. You wouldn't want someone stealing your hard work, intentionally or even unintentionally, would you? Of course not.

Still, writers sometimes purposely steal others' work, and other times writers unintentionally plagiarize because they get confused, have poor notes, are lazy or intellectually unprepared, run out of time, or simply don't know how to correctly reference sources. There's a difference between plagiarism, of course, and misuse of sources. (See Defining and Avoiding Plagiarism: The WPA Statement on Best Practices. Reprinted by permission of the Council of Writing Program Administrators.) Because there is so much information accessible through the Internet, the temptation to plagiarize increases and what needs referencing becomes increasingly unclear. The Internet tends to make who owns what a little unclear. Just ask those in the music business. In any case, plagiarism is unacceptable. You don't want people stealing your work, after all. It is outrageous, actually. We're here to better ourselves and to better our communities. You can't do that by stealing.

To avoid plagiarism:

1. Do not use someone's words without referencing the source or including the information in quotation marks or a block quote; and

2. Do not use someone's ideas without referencing the source.

and I'm NOT telling you all where I copied this from!

all men are born originals, and die as copies.

That is a very true statement.

Here's to plagiarism.

Now if I could just figure out who I'm trying to emulate.

Ahem....I have this homework, er, project, see.....and, well..................

Not only in the answers~

.........or you could ask. What do you know?

The appropriate answer being "Sh*ts good for the garden, go bury yourself"

Very realistic note. G.A

"To steal ideas from one person is plagiarism. To steal from many is research"

That's funny stuff! Where did you hear it?

I should probably apologize, without even knowing if I'm guilty....

The other side of the coin, is having people absorb and able to restate what you have imparted, is the prime goal of education.

You could 'grade' the responses as you would essays on a topic.

Perhaps this explains why the fellow students award the 'top student' the GA?

_{(teachers, of course, are exempt)}

I know I've been guilty of not reading all the posts before I answer, but the truth is I'm not looking for a "GA". I'm just trying to help. I don't understand why an Engineering forum would hand out "brownies" for "GA's". Is this grade school, or are we all adults here? I mean, what do you really get out of it? Is your life so baren that a "GA" is an accomplishment?

Sorry if I ranted, but come on guys, grow up!

Couldn't have said it better myself.

It's quite evident you put allot of weight on GA's. We don't.

Now, at least I probably would have taken you more seriously about us growing up if you would have pointed this out….......….maybe

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But then again, you're fairly new here. Welcome to CR4 anyways.

It's excepted not accepted. If you're to plagiarise, plagiarise right. (The last one think I stole it from a guy named Bill) S.M.

I think he was satirizing rather than plagiarizing. Both spellings are correct in proper context.

I think you must have an idea about my writing character by now Tornado, enough to know when I'm joking too. S.M.

Saddened I am.

I lift a line from almost every poster and get busted, nor for plagiarism, but for the innuendo at the endo

Sorry, should have given you a GA. I got a kick out of your plagiarising...just been too busy to chime in much.

Worth another GA. I think you have succinctly (if perhaps inadvertantly) summarized the whole thread. Besides which, doughnuts are always accepted in our household (Tim Horton rules!).

You have Timmies in the UK?

There is a gas station down the road that does Tim Horton doughnuts, but it's not the same as going into a real Tim Hortons, and I haven't seen one of them here yet. I grew up with Tim Hortons in Canada, so it's the first place we headed for when I took the family over a few years back. My kids came up with a new term: you have breakfast, then elevenses, then doughnutses, then lunch, then doughnutses, etc!

Okay, of course they're located about every 100 feet in Canada. The States have some, I just never heard of any across the pond!

I'm waiting for the day when Walmart is located inside the Timmies shop.

Perish the thought!

I hope that Horties never changes!

(Do they still do TimBits?)

..."all men are born originals, and die as copies."

That is the nicest way anyone has ever called me a bastard.

Yeah - whoever said that, wants a good thrashing - ay

^{_{(aka. suddenly remembering accreditation when it all go's wrong)}}

(aka. suddenly remembering accreditation when it all go's wrong)

Is there a slang version?

Hey - I think these that's are the same peopledude that used to copy off my homework in school!

The reason I give out GAs is the same (iirc) as the reason stated in the CR4 guidelines as to the purpose of GAs--to guide the reader (maybe future readers) to the better / correct answers in the thread.

O.K.

1) for some of us perhaps. 2) Online brownies; 3) My life is not baren nor barren, nor bear'n. But Giving a Good Answer is a joy; getting the GA feedback helps one calibrate Not asked but implied: This is a community. Many of us really do like to share, to help others avoid avoidable troubles. Some of us have plenty to share. Others have some. Its all good. PS We give away brownies because drugs are illegal, alcohol controlled, and books are too expensive to mail. Thanks for the critical thinking. Milo

We all stand on the shoulders of those who have come before. Copying ideas and reusing ideas, such a fine line. When it becomes plagarism is when you take the credit for yourself. This forum is a good meeting and sharing place, if someone copies what I've already posted, I would take it as a compliment. Just because you are copied from, doesn't mean you have been stolen from, does it?

To gain from others work is one thing. But when you truely have a problem, a true problem, here is the place to be. To me, everyone here gives.

^{Just that what some people give is fertilizer}

I would suggest that in most cases on this forum, when an answer is repeated it is primarily a re-inforcement of the original answer. After all, everything here is an opinion based on varying degrees of experience. To me, each time the same answer is repeated, it gains more credibility. This is also how I view GA's - not as a reward to the poster receiving the GA, but rather as an indication of the credibility of the post.

(I just read quickly through the entire thread, and I don't think that this idea has been expressed yet. )

The hat you get from CR4 at 50 GA's is nice.

But I'm really looking forward to the jacket you receive from CR4 with a 100 GA's.

Best thing is to read the main forum question and reply on your own instantly.

That can be followed by view of other replies/ answers and complement.

One can opt to click the G.A button or go forward. Many esteemed members practise this well.

There can be parallel views form many members, which need not be treated as plagiarism.

The style, content and originality should speak by itself.