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Steam Line Blow-Out

10/18/2011 3:20 AM

When a new Boiler and turbine is installed, the steam line is to be cleaned perfectly by Steam BLOW-OUT and the target plate will reveal the quality of the Blow-out and this is known to all the connected people who implement a project.

Now I request CR4 MEMBERS to give their views on the following points.

1. What is the percentage on the working pressure of the steam to be maintained for the line BlowOut.? In the earlier projects, I always given blow-out at full pressure and temperature, now the supplier of the present project equipment is NOT agreeing to blow-out with full pressure and temperature, the full pressure and temp in this case is 110 ata and 540 Deg.C and says only 60% of the working pressure alone to be used for the blow out, which I do not agree.

Second point in the new installation is the plant supplier says the steam line from the boiler to the turbine is to be insulated before the line blow-out. I am of the view that insulation/lagging to be done after blow-out only. The reason being, the line will take more time to cool down and insulated liine means cooling will be very slow, than the bare line and the contraction will take more time for insulated line.

2. In the existing plant, the old boiler and turbine commissioned about 10 years back. The boiler is shut down for 3 months in a year. The operatiing-in-charge says, while starting after 3 months, he has to blow out the existing line (with out target plate) and I am of the opinion - the blow-out is not required for the existing plant which is working for the past 10 years, provided the Feed Water Quality for the Boiler is strictly and rigidly maintained. The Turbine Rotor is an indicator for the quality of the Steam, no deposit means correct quality of steam and any deposit means steam quality is poor.

As plant operators, we have responsibilty to maintain the correct parameters for the equipments.

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Re: Steam Line Blow-Out

10/18/2011 7:34 AM

This is the sort of thing that needs to be discussed with the new boiler manufacturer's Commissioning Engineer, and not in an anonymous international Engineering forum, in order to maintain Warranty condition on the boiler supplied.

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10/19/2011 1:22 PM

Thank you Mr. PW Slack,

I expect you to express your experience on this subject.

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02/06/2025 9:27 AM

Sure. See #1⇑.

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10/19/2011 1:12 AM

The steam blow does not necessarily require full steam pressure.

The dynamic force in the pipe need to be about 20% higher than what would be expected under maximum continous rating conditions.

At low pressure, due to higher specific volume, can achieve the required dynamic force.

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10/19/2011 1:20 PM

Thank you Mr. SV13 for your views.

The higher the pressure, more the duration of the Blow-Out and higher the temperature the pipe material will gain, there by expansion and cotraction limits are widened, which will result in crack out of particles.

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10/19/2011 11:47 AM

PWSlack is correct. You need to be very cautious using any advice from this site. Some opinions are good, some are not so good, and some are just wacky! The boiler manufacturer should be the authority for issues during the warranty period.

Anyway, here is my free advice:

1. For blow out, my opinion is velocity is a more critical criteria than pressure during a blow out for boiler and steam line cleaning. Pressure, nozzle size, and mass flow are contributing factors, but velocity must be high enough to get the debris out of the system.

2. Blow out after 3 month shut down. This is vey dependent on how the boiler was laid up during shut down, and whether any contaminants or corrosion occured during that perion. If the operator suspects there may be contamination during the 3 months, blow out the system. If a good layup occured, the operator may decide to not blow down the system.

Just my personal opinion.

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10/19/2011 1:15 PM

Thank you Mr. Ried for your advise.

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10/24/2011 1:33 AM

Mr.Dhayanandhan. S. You are one of my technical-favourite and I will suggest that you go to link :

http://www.bechtel.com/assets/files/PDF/BIP/29361.pdf

On a Bechtel Technical paper "Advances in Power plant steam blow cleaning analysis" which will help you.

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10/24/2011 9:54 AM

I give you a GA!

Mr. Dhayanandhan, Ducon is (in my opinion) one of the more knowledgable posters on this site. You would do well to check his link.

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10/24/2011 10:43 AM

Thanks Ried.

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10/26/2011 4:30 AM

Thank you Mr. Ried,for your Response.

Indeed, I also enjoy Mr. Ducons replies to this post. Certainly I will open the link and study and any doubt I will come back to you.

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10/26/2011 4:26 AM

Thank You Mr. Ducon, for your comments for me.

I was continuously travelling and could not access to mails.

Thank you for giving a web-link for this subject. I will study the link and any doubt, I will come back to you.

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10/26/2011 5:05 AM

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10/26/2011 5:05 AM

Sorry duconems at the rate yahoo dot com.

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10/26/2011 7:26 AM

Ducon, I was about to say well done to beat cr4 system, n just thenthey removed yr email

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10/26/2011 11:39 AM

They missed the other one. The one they removed was WRONG. That was to trick them. By now everybody has my email address. Ha ha.

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10/26/2011 11:15 PM

Sv13. You can still say well done. The bottom one got away and running far ahead CR4. Hehe. thata 'great escape 2".

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CR4 Admin Next time i will write in Chinese and you would'nt understand. All CR4 members will go to 'Google translate", copy pase & convert to read. ha ha.

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10/27/2011 4:50 AM

Let us maintain and keep the HIGH-STANDARDS of CR4 FORUM, where thousands of people share their experience which will improve the working of ENGINEERIING and OTHER TOPICS, thus LIGHT OF KNOWLEDGE SPREADS.

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02/10/2025 7:38 PM

Are you talking about blow down?

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