What Would You Do?

Thats how i changed my mass but the she sank in the sand faster than i had though she would most of my time was spent getting her back in the water. i just go snorkeling to scrape the bottom thou, although there has been times i just wanted to flip her

You are as ever a breath of fresh air Kris. Thank you. Have a GA, you never get your just measure.

Where's mine?

Lordy me. Weekends never cease to amaze. I don't even require company. I reckon I'll sign off now.

I'll check you guys when my biorhythm hits another valley.

No probs Kram - I got you the t-shirt instead

A miracle has occurred! Kris has put something into word better than I did

My first post tried to say some of this - I want to hear more of Blair's experiences and thought a gentle intro to a little of CR4's ways would help...all I got was what I think was probably abuse. (Can't tell, as it is badly written and can be interpreted in several ways, had I the time to waste )

You've also cleared up a puzzle - I couldn't work out why a bunch of posts clearly addressing Blair replied to a post from ed...I guess Blair lost a post to the Mods.

Ive been to england twice im really suprized at your language i spent my time there getting pissed an learning how to roll a fag also revamping a few things but im asking to get banned it was nice to meet you wanker im not even sure if that counts as a curse in america thou

This is a test of the emergency moderation system

in the case of an actual emergency, someone would care what our foul mouthed friend has to say

I would find one of those teenage girls who have been sailing solo around the world lately. They seem to have a much better handle on the practicalities involved.

Well, for a start, I would notice that a computer requires electricity and is not part of the natural state. Then I would notice that a boat is not an object in a natural state - I would have to make it. Alternatively I would notice that a hut is not a natural object - i would have to make that. Then I would notice that boat-making and hut-making tools do not lie around - I would have to make them first. In order to make the forge in which to craft the knives and axes which you need you are going to have to mine the iron and smelt it with the shovel and brick smelter which you haven't yet got because they don't lie around in the natural state either. Let's face it. The whole of your very existence is built on civilisation. You have already made use of all the technology of 21st century civilisation like computers, and also of one of society's most useful facilities, namely money. It appears that you are unable to make use of another of the most important inventions of human society, which is education. If you wish to live a simple life, just using the sun to charge your computer, go ahead and do it. When you find the computer breaks down and you have no money to repair it, you will unfortunately not be able to ask us questions.

Hello Blair,

RELAX a bit ... this forum is just a bunch of folks who, while offering some great advice and commentary, enjoy the opportunity to take a jab here and there. All good fun.

Actually, I like your question a lot, and have considered what I MIGHT do in such an instance ... but more, how much trouble I would be in.

One thing I am sure of, no matter one's training or experience, it comes down to resourcefulness. For some, it might be clever thievery, for some it might be skills to hunt and gather, for some it would be engineering and design to aide in either of these.

On a micro-scale, we had about 24-hours of trial a few weeks ago, when snows brought down the power lines behind our home. Light was no problem, because we have several oil lamps. Cooking was no problem, because (1) the gas stove in our kitchen would still work as long as we had matches to light it, and (2) if that failed, we have a pretty good stock of camping gear. Water was a problem, because our well pump was out of commission. There was snow, so I carried in a few buckets, and melted it in a big pot, then poured in though a coffee filter. (surprising how long it takes to melt a large pot of snow, and now little water you get in the process). We had enough for drinking, but ... it soon became evident that a real problem was the toilets. No flushing doesn't take long to create a wonderful evidence of such throughout the house, and to melt enough snow to do the job seemed to take forever.

Food, of course was no issue ... pantries were full. Heat for that short time was no problem, because even without the furnace, we stayed comfortable. I was worried some about the food in the freezer, but since the outdoor temps were below freezing, we were prepared to transfer items to insulated bags and put it all outside. Fortunately, it never came to that.

Now, as one looks at this mini episode in life-style changes, it seemed nothing to us, but a day later, talking to family and friends, I was surprised to learn how many were completely helpless, even in this very minor event.

If it came down to a permanent, or even long-term event, for sure, I would be in trouble. I don't hunt, and I don't fish ... by "don't", I mean I have no experience. I am not a naturalist, so 'gathering' would not be a likely success. SO, what to do?

It seems (only my hypothesis) the only way to survive (and also the greatest threat) is to survive in groups. As we today are a "village", surviving together by our diverse abilities, so would that also be our key to survival. But, the 'threat' is, we humans really don't 'play well' together. Our nature as a society may very well become our greatest continuing threat to survival.

I do believe in preparedness, but only to a point. Stocking guns, ammo, hoarding food, and learning extreme wilderness survival (unless you just happen to live in a vast wilderness), or living on a boat primed and prepped to sail away, just doesn't 'scratch my itch'. If and When those challenges come, it won't likely the survival to the most-prepared, but (as it always has been) survival to the fittest AND the luckiest.

Kind regards ...

I need to know how I came to be in the situation and this is an honest question so take it serious. Plain crash, ship wreck nuclear war?

If either of the first 2, I would first seek food and water then shelter assuming I was fortunate enough to crash in the morning. If at night or late in the day shelter would be first up. After that it is survival to sustaining. Make weapons for hunting and defense. Build a better shelter when you figure out where the food and water are. Make creature comforts such as a bed or chair after the house is there. Or depending on terrain and food source stay nomadic and travel lite. No matter what eat/use every part of what you kill including the oink. It works great to call in predators that you can also trap and eat.

If nuclear war then survival is pretty much wait till you...

I'd say "Eve, lets blow this popsicle stand". I think Macs are good, no matter what Bill says.

1. create some defensive tools. Spear, rock hammer, sling, what have you.

2. source clean water, you have about 7 days tops.

3. decide if you wish to stay; or be rescued; if so, make SOS signs, flags ready, etc.

4. rig up simple alarms for when you are asleep etc., e.g a bear in the night is no fun.

5. ration what you have, food, resources, materials. e.g. clothing thread for fishing.

6. select favourable position for habitat; no flooding good visability view trade routes,

7. collect dry grass and timber for fires, cooking steralising and signals.

7. consider it may be an enforced long stay, food needed when out of season.

8. look for any natives, they have a head start on survival, make friends if possible.

The above is a start - if you are put there by accident. By choice is different.

1. learn everything you can about self medication. (if your ill, you're snookered)

2. learn everything you can about living off nature, edible plants, seasonal foods, etc

3. take some proper protective clothing and personal defence equipment.

4. take sufficient firelighters (plus flint etc) and several months supplies.

5. research where you are going, natives, wild animals, possible dangers.

6. take writing material, and means to signal for help if needed. Morse, flags etc.

6. plan "ways out" for if and when needed, try to visualise every eventuality.

7. organise a regular caller, or visitor, to check up on you periodically. e.g. monthly.

etc. etc. etc... feel like there myself now! Only wrote this off the cuff....

You can fill in the blanks.....

Personally I would prefer to do something useful with my life.

Be honest, we have already learnt to survive, why prove it? (we hope.)

jt.

I was visiting a Native American reservation, and was introduced to the tribe's Chief.

He said, "How," and I said, "How." Then, he said "How," and, I said, "How."

Then he said, "I see you speak our language," and I said, "Yes, it's easy when you know how."

You're killing me!!!!!

I'm so there.

Nice pic

Maybe his boat will sink in a shark-infested area. That would be the perfect ending to his offensive drivel.

If I were you, I would hang my head in shame and slink back under my rock, never to be heard from again.

I tried that...................several times. It doesn't work.

How would You react to "conformist lectures" and a "rich kid" crack, had you chosen his lifestyle for the reasons previously stated?

I thought he was doing quite nicely up till then for a new person - much like many who's typing and punctuation skills are now 'vastly improved' from CR4 participation.

I think a few of you should go back and re-read and have a rethink and perhaps a remember.

Much like the schoolground, one starts as the picked on. Everyone seeks to be king. It's how they manage kinghood that makes the difference.

Tornado is about as even keeled as they come in these parts as far as I'm concerned. Can't say the same about myself. If given the opportunity, I'll run myself right out of road.

Here's a funny story:

When I first got to my ship in the Navy, from what I heard, the guys that had been there held down the newbies and rammed a grease gun up their arse.

I was just a kid from boot camp.............................well, within 24 hours I promised each of them, that if they took part in holding me down and greasing me......................they would pay...............and pay hard.

It was a promise. I didn't get greased.

There's funny, and then there's not funny.

The bottom line is..............if someone seeks to derive pleasure from beating someone else up..............whether physically or intellectually..............I'm more than happy to step in and change the odds to the best of my capability.

sounds like you took it in the ass

You must have really good hearing!

I can't say I ever had the "school yard" problem, except perhaps here with those who would bully for 'kingship' by assumption of the remit of Admin.

What I would have had as a youngster is fostering, rather than fear of my abilities.

I actively take this 'wish' into my now role as a senior executive, board member, or "king ship" as it may be viewed. My judgments are based on intelligence, potential and talent - not age or color of spoon assumptions.

One thing I do look for is "courage of convictions".

One thing I won't tolerate is 'typecasting' on zero data. As people who do that, then waste everyone's time 'pretending they didn't screw up'.

You've got an interesting way of putting things. I like CR4. You must have some experience in the schoolyard, or this persistent us vs them would not exist.

I have no problem with your little subculture, and yet judge is all you do.

I give kudos to moderation because I think that a lack of moderation is a good thing..................we can moderate ourselves. Next thing I know, I'm an ass kisser.

There is an us vs them attitude...................but it only exists in the lukewarm water of the tub. I'm not seeing it from the people that own this site. Nor do I see any reason to consider them the enemy.

I like it out here in the forum. You guys need to shut up or cop a clue. And if you only want to pop out occasionally to screw with someone.......................make it me.

You guys are getting way too heady. Not all...............but some.

C'mon man!

I don't consider myself a bully..................but I'll take one down without a thought.

There's a new breed of moderators here. Hating them because they happen to be moderators is stupid.

Hell, they barely moderate!!!

All is well.

Self appointed kings are the easiest to topple.

I've never been to a goat rodeo.

To be king, one must first acquire humility. He also must care about more than the destruction of others.

Love you garthh

You guys consider yourselves special.....................and yet you subsist, (not all), in the demeaning of others.......................please explain. I don't understand.

No idea why I'm included your anti tirade, tirade?

Blair has come in search of entertainment & has become the entertainment [as often happens]

he may have breached some of the local customs

Misunderstanding the nature of this place, being primary

the threads have a life of their own, attempts to manage the direction rarely have the intended effect. Best to enjoy the ride & ignore that which is not of interest

credibility can only be within this micro climate, you are what you write, your body of work has to speak for itself

so far the results are mixed

Welcome to CR4 Blair enjoy the interactive show...

I guess I'm kind of like a pressure cooker. Thoughts, real and imaginary build through the week......................come the weekend, the little weight on top rattles, sings and blows steam. Not always what people want to hear, but necessary for the proper operation of the utensil. I'm a happy pot.

Hell, it ain't all bad. There's a good possibility that blair is rethinking...................not only his entire existence, but where he chooses to pick fights.

Somewhere there's an empty chair sitting in a Starbucks that was previously occupied by a titan.

Somewhere else there's a little boy on a boat

Lost and alone, he searches

Searches in vain for a Captain that never was

There he is....................

Just over the horizon

I have no idea how you got there from what I said - but paint with Admin me as you will, it doesn't alter what happened in this thread.

I have taken the OP's "side" if for no other reason than were it Del making his own mast, you lot would be waxing lyrical.

If you can't bring yourselves to give credit where credit is due, because he is "young", or "not an EE", or remarks that a useless comment is useless, or reacts to an insult, then you have more serious problems than CR4 can cure.

Hey Blair,

Now I'm feeling bad for picking on you. 21 can be tough times.

Look..................if you enjoy the water, do yourself a favor. Get the money together and get your Captain's license. I've met people that do nothing but pilot other people's yachts from one place to another. It's a nice life. Big bucks for doing what you love. I hope you look into it.

Good Luck

Mark

Hi Blair, Why are you trying to get banned? Most people have responded kindly, you have 129 comments on the thread you started, and there are some facinating things you could learn here. For a thread comparison, when a ship built by Boeing, carrying rockets for NASA hits a bridge, it only gets 13 comments.

You might want to check out the link provided above for the captain's license, I think there are some openings.

He's pretty well covered all the openings

exactly why i want to get banned. only reason for the comments is to the lack of intelligence of the users not worth my time all thou i really would have enjoyed learning how to make passion fruit in to a wine.I like to discuss matters of nasa im a personal fan.

Have one on me

What is the point in yor exustance (scuse my spelling).

I'd annoy you, but would much rather have you on CR4 so we can swap insults via PM. Stop taking crack, play nice in open, and we can see who has best potty mouth.

Said I wouldn't report you ? I fibbed. Once banned you have to go over all that trouble of a new ID. Try masturbation, we will all be gratified. Play nice and I'll be more than happy top PM slag you

I doubt anyone has or will report you.

Admin has a 'bot' that detects the 7 naughty words. It's all about how the site looks in the corporate name, not any "OMG!" among members. Hence the only impact is your posts will just disappear.

Downside is; missing posts disrupt and confuse who is saying what to whom. In general we try avoid that, as returning to useful discussion becomes near impossible.

Thankfully, quite often a human moderator will go through and edit out the naughty bits and leave the post remnant, so the thread at least can be followed. They are unpaid volunteers, so give them too much work and they won't bother.

Probably an idea to consider, if indeed you want that recipe, or other stuff you might be interested in, is not make grief for people who have nothing to do with who or what is annoying you, as well as pissoff the corporate that provides us the free site.

Just suggestin'

I doubt anyone has or will report you.

I did. Well how the heck can I play with him if he disappears in the next hour. Besides, I can't go full potty mouth on forum so had to PM him.

"Downside is; missing posts disrupt and confuse who is saying what to whom. In general we try avoid that, as returning to useful discussion becomes near impossible.

Thankfully, quite often a human moderator will go through and edit out the naughty bits and leave the post remnant, so the thread at least can be followed."

I have to agree on this point. Too bad they didn't do it here, so the posts are not 'traceable.' I once suggested that each thread be limited to 100 posts. By that time they usually degrade into the conflict you see here now.

Remember when they allowed guest postings, and moderation was constant and heavy handed. Getting rid of the guest postings was a really good idea. But I also think that the more "hands-off" approach to moderation has resulted in far less stress levels around here, and far more threads that just run their course, despite the occasional argument.

I might be wrong, but it seems like a few years ago, about 50% of the threads would end up going bad. Now it seems like less than 5%..................unless I'm just missing all the fights.

I suspect there is a new moderator who doesn't know how to work things. When posts are deleted, the "shell" should remain, so that the numbering sequence remains intact. Here, we had a number of replies addressed to Blair, but incorrectly diverted to edignan.

I suspect that they are also over the initial thrill of being picked for the moderation team, and wondering why they're not being paid.

Agree 100%. Redactions within posts haven't been marked, and deleted posts (unmarked) totally confuse. New mod person needs guidance. SAVVY???

I don't think I'm getting banned any time soon, so ill whip out the old guitar an entertain myself with some, over the hills an far away (led zep). ill try to get on in a week bc im going to check out a gator farm for a temp job help out an old friend

my condolences to the users with brains use them wisely an do no harm to others, ride your bike to work or down the street one day a week if you can. practice what preach. my father went down with his ship (not a choice) but filled me with desires for a better life be for his departure.

some one alone may not be lonely, as a wanderer may not be lost (unknown)

option 1 You could just leave...

option 2 report yourself

option 3 use alternate spellings dip shyt

fuqk off

Ok Blair,

The first thing we are going to need is water. For me, this might mean getting temporary power to a well or draining the hot water heater. For you, this might mean a device for desalinating sea water or a good supply of bottled water. It's critical we have a supply of drinking water. After a couple weeks we will have to have food. Then we can both use our deep cycle batteries for lights using a small $40 US AC inverter and preferably LED but at least compact fluorescent bulbs.

Are you still trying to get banned?

Oh well................I tried. No I'm not going to hit report. Our little friend has figured out the PM system.

All I can say, is that I was having a lot more fun than fighting with old people on an engineering forum when I was 21. Once again...............good luck buddy. Somehow I suspect you're going to need it.

Hope you don't mind if I share your mail..............we're all family here.

Novel approach to Private Mail Mark. Remind me never to trust you again.

Blair's function here reminds me of that of a virus. Dead or alive, if it hits fertile ground it causes funny reactions to the host.

Yea, I'm gonna miss him!

Him alone or the funny reactions?

Well, I thought he might come off his high horse, and realize how beneficial CR4 could be for a young ambitious boat owner.

Aw c'mon. You don't have to trust me if you don't want to........................but do you not remember my open letter to zacky or whatever from yesteryear?

Besides, if you're sending me PM's like this one, I doubt you would be trusting me from the start.

...........................or are you just throwing a little gas on the fire to keep things hopping?

Yeah...............I've got a pretty quick temper. It flashes and then dissipates as quickly as it came on. It never leaves me feeling proud.

I'm certainly willing to admit that it gets me mad when people hide in the shadows and only emerge long enough to either start a fight or make sure that one that is already in progress escalates. Is that bad?

Anyway. I just logged on to let blair know that all is not lost. This talk of ocean and sailing prompted me to go ahead and book our beach house for the fall. So everyone can rest easy in knowing that this thread was not a complete waste of time. Nope, I'm not rich........................monthly payments until August.

I hope blair gets better. That kind of rage should not be living in a 21 year old. If he relaxes and gives it 20-30 years, he can amass some good solid reasons to be that angry.

See you guys tomorrow.

"That kind of rage should not be living in a 21 year old"

Couldn't agree more.

Then again, the 'why' is crystal clear if you care to think about it, rather than just react to it.

Must you be so dismally stupid? Blair is most empatically not entitled to privacy in his scurrilous rantings.

h

Have one on me, as I see you've run out

Actually, I'm still reasonably well stocked.

You really blew it in your earlier comment about trusting Mark, and I do not appreciate your present dancing around that.

It took a while to find the reference in the last "government are spying on us" ranting.

Turns out; Privacy is not guaranteed by the Constitution, but is by the Privacy Act of 1974. As Mark is not the 'police', he needs Blair's consent to publish Blair's material.

So, aside from 'confidentiality' inherent in "private" mail - not that it is here as Admin can read it and claims copyright of all media - it's also a copyright breach by Mark (of both GS and Blair)

So this leaves the interesting precedent for you of calling me "dismally stupid" for rejecting 'selective application' of at least two laws.

And all I was actually inferring that anything that anyone writes to Mark may get posted if it suits his King of the Schoolyard needs on the day, or level of ethanol, or 'bad weekend', or other.

And it is interesting how Blair has caused so many people to turn into everything they hated about their own fathers, or McCarthyists, or KGB propagandists, or something other than 'thinkers'.

I doubt that either Blair or CR4 will complain about copyright violation from Mark's citation of Blair's offensive PM. But if they do, it may be interesting to follow the case.

I'm not a lawyer and thus don't know how it might all sort out. However, I seriously doubt your analysis. According to your scheme, if someone issued you a threat under color of copyright or confidentiality, you wouldn't be able to report it to anyone. If the law supposes that....

But whatever may be the legalities (which may well be quite stupid), there are also moral and ethical considerations. You are giving aid and comfort to one of the most spectacularly offensive persons ever to disgrace CR4. You must be proud of yourself.

Come come, he's passing offensive, certainly not guilty of capital crimes.

And were he guilty of capital crimes we would have someone speak for him, no?

This entire thread has exhibited an amazing blow of emotion for a minor pebble.

What's up everyone's butt?

I mentioned it: The Blair virus

No the law is quite clear. Of uncommon knowledge is lawyers, like police, sheriffs etc, are 'officers of the court'. As such, taking a matter to a lawyer is as an acceptable remedy as to the police.

This "aid and comfort" thing is a matter of consistent principles. If you cast your mind back to Roger Pink causing a Mark & Ky meltdown - I 'defended' Rogers right to eject obnoxious people from his 'home'. That Roger is a total tosser has no bearing.

I disapproved of the "hate threads" Mark and Ky then then started. Ky quickly saw the bigger implications of inciting mob action against another member.

In the same way Blair has the right to run his thread as he wishes (within the GS guidelines, something he needs to accept he must learn, not unlike he has had to learn the 'rules of nature', that he has, gives hope - not certainty)

Now, if you go back and read, Blair made one or two 'don't post irrelevant junk' like comments. Post concerned were out of line with the OP 'mission statement', so fair, if a bit 'CR4 decorum ignorant', comment.

Then a few, hearing the bits they wanted to hear, started taking swipes.

Blair reacted - and since then, largely because he's "young" and 'attacked back' it seems He is a "spectacularly offensive person".

Frankly if you can't see what caused the switch to "spectacularly offensive", was "spectacularly offensive" barbs, then your head is further up your geriatric back passage than Marks grease gun - and far further than I ever imagined yours in particular could ever be. Maybe Z-man-Joe-prof is the burr up there?

I can tell you what I am not proud of and that is the blatant acid prejudice based on members imprinted assumptions - all of which were soon shown false.

So now what I see is intransigence to admit members erred in pre-judging.

As a 'counter shame', I have never seen the CR4 membership treat new member so clinically antagonistically.

I find it interesting that Ky has alluded to the same inexplicable attitude aberration in this thread. But it is encouraging that some members are attempting to have a productive conversation - possibly of interest to Blair - irrespective of this "kill the pig" business that seems to be undroppable by - well - 2 or 3 die-hard members now?

Have a nice day Editor. I may love you like a brother but god you can be hard work at times.

You are attempting to obfuscate issues with a whole host of irrelevant topics, and you are floundering. You had better give up, because I surely will not.

I am no prude, and I have no problem with words like MF, AH, C, W, P, CS, etc., if used in proper context as a response to truly offensive persons. Blair's gratuitous usages of such terms do not fit this criterion at all, and are completely beyond the pale.

Figure it out correctly, DS.

In the light of your leader, it would seem timely to remind you that you went for 'first blood' in this.

But sure, I'll try to "figure it out correctly".

I think your wishing him sunk presents a 'stumbling block' to any moral high ground.

You Know how much hate that conveys to any sailor.

Gee Whiz he bit back.

Reread the chronology. Get it right next time. I responded to his attacks on others, not his attack on me. Quit making excuses for that wretched lowlife.

I don't think any member is beyond redemption, though some are less likely

in this bizzaro world of missing context it is hard not to form an immediate opinion

we have many ESL members

the number lacking social skills is equal, possibly greater

Blair seems to fall into that category [assuming it wasn't all a ruse]

CR$ home of the crotchety old guy [probably drives a cavalier]

No one is beyond redemption, but Blair will need to do some very contrite apologizing. It would also help him immensely to become literate.

I think a great round of apologies are in order, least from the kid.

I departed to cool off after my encounter and just reread the mess that followed.

Oh tsk tsk tsk.

Embrace the person who offends, demanding conformity does not work. Trying to understand another is the mark of brave person.

If you want to "understand" someone who spoke to English Rose as Blair did, just go right ahead. But guess what, I will not join you. Are you kidding, or are you stinkin' kidding?

I'm not going to embrace him.......................but he is a 21 year old kid. Unlike CR4, most of the sites that these kids hang out on have no rules whatsoever........................anything goes. Nothing but nastiness.

I've looked at some of them, and the worst stuff that ever happens on here, doesn't compare to the daily garbage that fills up some of these other sites. Even in the comments sections of some the blog links..............language like Blair's is considered commonplace.

The mutual respect that we enjoy here 99% of the time, makes me glad there are a few rules. Keeps the riff raff out.

I have spoken to all parties conceared. PM stuff. Shut your gob before you leap in with an effort to resolve matters. seems to be more than you are capable of.

You can be just as obtuse as you like, but I will not "shut my gob." Blair was spectacularly out of line, and so are you.

Whatever you are doing behind the scenes is irrelevant, unless and until you share it.

So you are concerned about thread hygiene even from the past. Well, even before you entered CR4 Roger and I were antagonizing each other. It must have been thousands of words and all over the PM system. I am not willing to make these public but it would give you a better understanding of the echoes which appeared in different threads.

Blair? A case study for advanced psychology and not something for an engineering site. Inciting mob action? Me? Adding a bit of humour? I wonder how others have interpreted my comments.

I'm over it.

Not at all about "hygiene". Just about 'cause and effect' and 'a fair go'.

Anybody that's worked in an engine or boiler room on a Navy ship knows what a greasing is. Although I believe these days the practice has stopped entirely. The mere mention of it scared me enough that I was willing to hurt people to prevent it from happening.

I think you're making a little more of the PM system than what it is. Copyright laws???? You're really stretching. Just like my personal email at home, once something is in my inbox, it's mine to do with what I want...................I can delete it, forward it, share it with anyone I want, etc. Since the nasty response to a post would clearly be considered an abuse of the PM system, I'm really not going to concern myself with what I decided to do with it.

Something Blair may want to consider, is that he's definitely not the first to show up here with a really big attitude. Nor is this the only argument that's ever happened. Overall though, we are a forgive and forget bunch. Tomorrow is another day.

Please don't act as though you are clueless about what I'm talking about on the intentionally disruptive posts either. There's an extremely tiny percentage of people on here that engage in it. They already have a nice big sandbox to play in...............and yet somehow the day isn't complete unless they pee in someone else's...........................and yeah, sometimes it gets me mad. Ethanol or not.

Justifications not withstanding

I would assume any PM exchange with you to be public [especially on the weekend]

you have your own history with random disruptive posts of a political nature lobbed into every possible thread. the fact that certain political movements don't pay attention to the implied marketing, goes to the lack of depth in the thought processes behind them

red flag, bull territory

so what, get over it...

I have to disagree on that. I have indeed been involved in political conversations on here..................sometimes heated. But they are not random, they are always within the context of the thread, and I can't think of a time that I used a political statement to intentionally enrage or hurt someone else. I have railed against politicians themselves, but it tends to be party neutral, since my feelings about bad politicians run that way in my life.

I would assume any PM exchange with you to be public [especially on the weekend]

Really? I don't send or receive PMs very often, and when I do, it's never any kind of shocking bombshell. I've always assumed that admin can read PMs whenever they want, so privacy is not something I've ever really worried about. They can read themselves to sleep.

Sorry, I don't belong to any cliques on here, no vast conspiracies or hidden agendas either. I've never had any reason to have an us vs them mentality. Unlike some on here. CR4 is just a fun distraction from real life.........................that's all it will ever be for me, arguments and all. I'm pretty sure that's all it was intended to be.

Sorry, I don't belong to any cliques on here, no vast conspiracies or hidden agendas either. I've never had any reason to have an us vs them mentality.

really?

you going to stick with that?

Mr government is the root of all evil, trying to control us...

If I'm in a clique, I wish someone would tell me.

Yep, I don't think the actions of the US government, nor any other, are as altruistic as they would like for us to believe. There are a few people on here that may agree with me, but as far as know, we're not in a club.

Boring

trot out the same dis-information all you like, doesn't make it true

you've been trying to turn this thread political, it isn't

you fixated on the OP's age, it was a minor factor

for what ever reason you perceive a difference between guest & anonymous posters, there isn't one

dig a little deeper, you may get somewhere

I don't think you've been paying attention. I left one post here about covering the basic needs. When I checked back in to see what was going on over here.............both the OP, and the whole thread were off the rails.

In usual fashion, 34 was able to tweak everything in an entirely new, (and equally combative), direction.

But whatever. I'm over it. As far as I'm concerned, it's just another thread that's designated for the trash heap.

Maybe I can explain a little better.

I've been here long enough to have established a few facts, although, self admittedly, I'm not the sharpest tool in the shed.

1) Admin is not a vast evil empire that is constantly plotting against us.

2) There is only one "camp". Everyone else is a solo act.

3) The divisions that exist, exist only in the fertile imaginations of the self appointed leaders of the imaginary kingdom.

4) Everyone outside the walls of the imaginary kingdom fall into one of two categories. An enemy, or an object of ridicule.

Shall I continue?

I'm no doctor, but my personal prescription, would be to either take up drinking, or seek professional counseling.

I don't know about you guys, but I'm ready to close this particular chapter.

Um...................just to clarify. The PM was a response to my publicly placed post within the thread. So yes, since my post was public, I felt it was well within my rights to post his little hate mail answer. Somehow I don't think that he feels as if his trust has been betrayed.

Making it into a trust issue between you and me is exactly the type of thing I was talking about. There are individuals on here that will intentionally go out of their way to stir up muck and get arguments started...................much like the the t**b*gg*r comments that are randomly lobbed into threads, and have nothing to do with what's being discussed.

The reason it makes me mad, is that even if they are not directed at me, it may be a conversation that I'm interested in, and these posts are deliberate attempts to sour the thread and ruin the conversation..........................just so a few people can have something to laugh about. It's pointless.