Previous in Forum: 2000 Cavalier Starting   Next in Forum: Fresh Air
Close
Close
Close
11 comments
Rate Comments: Nested
Active Contributor

Join Date: Jan 2009
Posts: 23

High Velocity Flameless Oxyfuel Burner

10/30/2013 11:40 PM

Hi , I am working on oxyfuel technology to enhance furnace capacity and reduce fuel cost. I have oxygen generator and valve train. But we have not oxyfuel burner. So can anybody help me . Where can I get high velocity flameless oxyfuel burner?

Register to Reply
Pathfinder Tags: Flameless oxyfuel burner.
Interested in this topic? By joining CR4 you can "subscribe" to
this discussion and receive notification when new comments are added.

Good Answers:

These comments received enough positive votes to make them "good answers".
2
Guru

Join Date: Oct 2008
Posts: 42355
Good Answers: 1693
#1

Re: About High velocity flameless oxyfuel burner.

10/31/2013 12:01 AM
Register to Reply Good Answer (Score 2)
Active Contributor

Join Date: Jan 2009
Posts: 23
#2
In reply to #1

Re: About High velocity flameless oxyfuel burner.

10/31/2013 1:38 AM

Thanks for your reply. But may be linde group would not interested in deal with small quantity of burner . So if you know any person or consultanting company . Where we can buy, fabricate or assymble Suggest us. or suggest any good alternate for these burners. Thanking you. Kamlesh Patel .

Register to Reply
Guru
United Kingdom - Member - Indeterminate Engineering Fields - Control Engineering - New Member

Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: In the bothy, 7 chains down the line from Dodman's Lane level crossing, in the nation formerly known as Great Britain. Kettle's on.
Posts: 32175
Good Answers: 839
#4
In reply to #2

Re: About High velocity flameless oxyfuel burner.

10/31/2013 4:29 AM

<...may be linde group would not interested ...>

How would one know if one hadn't made the phone call?

<...suggest any good alternate for these burners...>

Declined. That is what internet search engines are for.

__________________
"Did you get my e-mail?" - "The biggest problem in communication is the illusion that it has taken place" - George Bernard Shaw, 1856
Register to Reply
Guru
Safety - Hazmat - New Member United States - US - Statue of Liberty - New Member Engineering Fields - Chemical Engineering - Old Hand

Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: Lubbock, Texas
Posts: 14331
Good Answers: 162
#5
In reply to #1

Re: About High velocity flameless oxyfuel burner.

11/01/2013 10:52 AM

I would like to see this concept attempted with oxyhydrogen flame - direct conversion to steam under pressure, with spray attemperation, as a mechanism to a much smaller very high pressure boiler. with direct incidence to multi-stage turbine. The main drawback would be the honking large requirement for hydrogen, but someday, even that will be common place. I would like this to be in consideration for long-term energy storage for renewables load leveling.

Sounds a bit dangerous, but no doubt it could be mastered, given the correct catalyst in place.

__________________
If it ain't broke, don't fix it. Just build a better one.
Register to Reply
Guru

Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Phnom Penh
Posts: 4019
Good Answers: 102
#6
In reply to #5

Re: About High velocity flameless oxyfuel burner.

11/01/2013 11:22 AM

The main drawback would be the honking large requirement for hydrogen

Nothing that honking great quantities of electrical energy couldn't remedy.

A 3 tonne/hour boiler equivalent will need 3 tonnes/hr of water to be cracked into hydrogen and oxygen for direct conversion into steam.

But then why not just heat resistively with that same electricity?

Gigawatts here or there, like this or like that..its still gigawatts.

Big hydroplant next door would be needed to make either of these work with any green credentials. Hydro is not that green when you look at the total imbedded energy of the infrastrucrure. Nuclear is the way then...

__________________
Difficulty is not an obstacle it is merely an attribute.
Register to Reply
Guru
Safety - Hazmat - New Member United States - US - Statue of Liberty - New Member Engineering Fields - Chemical Engineering - Old Hand

Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: Lubbock, Texas
Posts: 14331
Good Answers: 162
#7
In reply to #6

Re: About High velocity flameless oxyfuel burner.

11/01/2013 11:49 AM

Wal: What if the hydrogen comes from "other", and non-nuclear? Game changer? No? Japanese want to make a Magnesium economy based upon conversion of MgO exposed to high intensity 1060 nm wavelength from Cr:Nd:YAG Laser (solar pumped) - also known as HELIOS. Magnesium readily produces abundant quantities of steam and hydrogen when exposed to water, just figure out separating the MgO from the steam/hydrogen, because the Japanese (Tokyo Institute of Technology) have already figured out how to separate Mg vapor from oxygen somehow (maybe while still in a plasma state? Not sure about how that part works.

This might not work too well in Phnom Penh due to cloudy conditions, but in the desert SW of the USA, or the Australian outback, not bad.

__________________
If it ain't broke, don't fix it. Just build a better one.
Register to Reply
Guru
Technical Fields - Technical Writing - New Member Engineering Fields - Piping Design Engineering - New Member

Join Date: May 2009
Location: Richland, WA, USA
Posts: 21017
Good Answers: 795
#3

Re: About High velocity flameless oxyfuel burner.

10/31/2013 1:52 AM

This is essentially what a "catalytic converter" is. Trying this as a Web search term might yield some manufacturers. Another possibility would be "flare systems".

(Years ago I worked on such units in the controlled atmosphere industry, using propane to extract oxygen from fruit storage rooms. The burners we used were 3 inch and 5 inch pipe diameter with honeycomb catalyst inserts. Alas, I don't remember the manufacturer, nor if they are still in production.)

__________________
In vino veritas; in cervisia carmen; in aqua E. coli.
Register to Reply
Guru
Popular Science - Weaponology - New Member Safety - ESD - New Member Hobbies - Fishing - New Member

Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Near Frankfurt am Main, Germany. 50.390866N, 8.884827E
Posts: 17996
Good Answers: 200
#8

Re: High Velocity Flameless Oxyfuel Burner

11/01/2013 4:27 PM

Not only is what you are trying to do exceedingly dangerous, the efficiency of the boiler may (MAY!) be improved, but overall efficiency of the complete system will be dramatically reduced.

e.g. you are both putting your life (and possibly that of others) in danger, but you are going to waste money as well......

Your post has similarities to many others here that simply do not (CANNOT!) work as wished......sorry!

__________________
"What others say about you reveals more about them, than it does you." Anon.
Register to Reply
Guru
Safety - Hazmat - New Member United States - US - Statue of Liberty - New Member Engineering Fields - Chemical Engineering - Old Hand

Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: Lubbock, Texas
Posts: 14331
Good Answers: 162
#9
In reply to #8

Re: High Velocity Flameless Oxyfuel Burner

11/02/2013 11:24 AM

Andy: I expect the first trials of the burners should be conducted outside any confined space. LOL

With experience, I see no reason why this could not work, especially the hydrogen-oxygen system - even if LH2 and LO2 were employed. NASA has some experience with this, trust me.

__________________
If it ain't broke, don't fix it. Just build a better one.
Register to Reply
Guru
Popular Science - Weaponology - New Member Safety - ESD - New Member Hobbies - Fishing - New Member

Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Near Frankfurt am Main, Germany. 50.390866N, 8.884827E
Posts: 17996
Good Answers: 200
#10
In reply to #9

Re: High Velocity Flameless Oxyfuel Burner

11/04/2013 3:23 PM

You are simply missing the point, at no time did I say it won't work, if you live it may work. Very dangerous though.....it will be a time bomb waiting for its time to go off. Can you live with that alone, I could not!!!

What I was saying was that the OVERALL efficiency of the system will be seriously reduced.....e.g. simply not worth while even trying......

You are concentrating on one aspect and forgetting that you ALWAYS need to watch the whole "system", all inputs and outputs!!! Don't get caught in the detail....

__________________
"What others say about you reveals more about them, than it does you." Anon.
Register to Reply
Power-User

Join Date: Jul 2010
Posts: 136
Good Answers: 19
#11

Re: High Velocity Flameless Oxyfuel Burner

11/04/2013 6:06 PM

Maxon has a history of providing industrial oxyfuel burners: https://www.maxoncorp.com/index.php?src=gendocs&link=product-Oil-Fired-Burners-Oxy

Register to Reply
Register to Reply 11 comments

Good Answers:

These comments received enough positive votes to make them "good answers".
Copy to Clipboard

Users who posted comments:

Andy Germany (2); Bud (1); James Stewart (3); kamlesh patel (1); lyn (1); PWSlack (1); Tornado (1); Wal (1)

Previous in Forum: 2000 Cavalier Starting   Next in Forum: Fresh Air

Advertisement