Magnetic Effect on Water and Implosion

Sometimes water is analyzed as rich on iron (in solution or suspension) Some of that water is even dark brown. Looks like rust. No effect either? I would have tried it but I do not have the water. Perhaps someone else can?

No effect on water.

You cannot magnetize a liquid.

Iron, in suspension, would be attracted to a magnet. Look up ferrofluids.

Water with dissolved iron would not be affected by a magnet. It would stain surfaces red as the water evaporates.

Thanks, need some cleaning there?

Not my house.

But, back on the farm in Arkansas, we had that problem with iron rich water.

Strictly speaking, there is such a thing as magnetised water. It is what you get when you put a container of water in a magnetic field, whereupon the hydrogen nuclei lose their random alignment and line up in the field. This is the starting point of magnetic resonance imaging. We can agree that the effect disappears as soon as the water is removed from the magnetic field, but that does not disallow interesting results from experiments performed entirely within the magnetic field.

http://www.cs.sfu.ca/~stella/papers/blairthesis/main/node11.html

I agree, that was how MRI imaging became an effective scanning tool in medicine.. Since our body is comprise of about 70% water.. Strong magnetic force of about 2 tesla is used in effect to initially re-align, the hydrogen molecules in the water content of whatever organ in the body that is being scanned..

- Or perpetual motion, for that matter. These seminars thrive on your confusion, and you are confused because you have enough intellect to know in the back of your mind that it is not REAL. Trust your instinct to doubt, and you will find your way OUT.

Good Luck.

What ever someone is trying to sell you, don't buy it!

Magnetic water is a scam.

magnetic water

I was especially impressed by this statement from your cited link,

"One wonders how people who have not mastered the rudiments of sentence structure can be competent to reveal the mysteries of magnetism!)"

(not directed at the OP)

Sirenia is not a place I can find on a map.

It's just north of La La Land.

Sirenia is a symphonic metal and gothic metal band from Stavanger, Norway

Sirenia (band) -

Either that, or it's a sea cow.

Sirenia is where all the sirens live....it's a secret place....

where did you find her? where is the original picture?

It's the album cover of the music group Syrenia....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fytbLSy5t5c

the water only becomes magnetized if you stand on your head and pat your belly 7 times while pointing due East

Ok but in chemical reactions the use of EM energy increases the reaction rate. It is true (or let me put it this way: I tried and observed it!) and many articles on the topic can be found with a simple google search.

That way I believe the water molecules are increased in entropy and the molecule is readily reacting the other matters. What is your opinion on that?

Can magnets and spiral movement provide means for de-clustering of molecules and trigger a similar result?

Water doesn't react with itself. The molecules can be excited and the water will become warmer, but no reaction takes place.

How does the microwave oven work?

Give up on this folly!

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I did not mean water reacts with itself. I mean when you microwave the water then you can have your conventional reaction whatever it is (say hydrolysis) much faster. For example, they can put the reaction chamber within a microwave reactor.

I am not here to pump pseudo science with a different perspective.

Do you get your microwaves for free?

"I am not here to pump pseudo science"

It's too late. You already have.↓

"I have heard the positive effects of magnetized water"

"they can put the reaction chamber within a microwave reactor"

They can out it on a stove, too. What's your point?

I don't believe that you will find any kindred spirits on this forum.

That's it, I'm >resubscribed< This could get goofy!

"This could get goofy!"

I love goofy.

I'll see if he's home, he lives right down the street....

I'm sure he'll make a lot more sense than the OP.

Ya gotta love, "some magnet banks and some circulator formations".

lyn:

That picture is very interesting one.

Just add some sunlight, solar cell to it to get it out of perpetual idea. It can still be very efficient.

Yes, see my earlier reply on the Arrhenius equation.

I suspect that you maybe confusing the RF amplifier of a Magnetron with a permanent magnet. Some Magnetrons are designed to heat water. No magnet alone will heat anything.

Like many charlatan scams (that I believe uluaydin is a victim of and not a perpetrator) there is a grain of misapplied truth here.

Electromagnetic energy (EM) of the correct frequency will be absorbed by a media and thus raise the temperature of that media. A permanent magnet has a frequency of zero. A permanent magnet will not raise the temperature of water or any other material. However, when one does raise the temperature of any collection of chemical reagents, the rate of the chemical reaction does speed up. This change in the reaction rate is marked by the Arrhenius equation of reaction rates.

WALOOB.

Sirenia got me!

This thread is going to lead us all to our doom on the rocks at the edge of "The big blue wet thing". (apologies to the muppets.)

In response to the OP though, if you microwave water, it gets warmer. Warmer water does (generally) react more quickly than cold water, but even then the energy equations still balance. Nothing new or spectacular there.

This must be a northern hemisphere thing.

Drinking magnetic water→→mental implosion. (And pacemaker malfunction, etc.)

Not to endorse to the term "Magnetized Water", but is it not the water in the frog that allows it to be levitated in a very strong magnetic field? The covalent bonds of water molecules are polar, and as such they will to some degree be affected by a magnetic field. If even a fraction of those 'effects' can linger long enough for the time it takes for that water to fall on some fertilizer compounds, and 'that effect' causes the fertilizer to dissolve and be absorbed more throughly than it would otherwise, then I can see how some agricultural benefits might ensue. If the water is swirling when it is sprayed, it might even cause some sort if pattern in the growing plants. Everything is not as easily dismissed as I see some of you doing here.

You CAN'T be serious.

It has now gone from the ridiculous to the sublime!

Yes! I am serious.

And, I don't mind the debate. So, how about a little scientific explanation to back up your incredulity?

We're not talking about parlor tricks here, or levitating frogs.

The OP is suggesting that by exposing water to a magnetic field, some unique properties are imparted into the water which renders it magically able to act in ways that "normal" water will not.

There is certainly no science involved in the scam to which the OP refers, nor any special scientific magic surrounding levitating water with an intense magnetic field as you suggest.

Your suggestion that the water retains it's magic properties long enough for, "even a fraction of those 'effects' can <to> linger long enough for the time it takes for that water to fall on some fertilizer compounds" is fantasy.

Perhaps, if you start at the beginning of the thread and read it carefully, you might change your mind.

If, "Checking the tools claiming to do so, one will end up seeing some magnet banks and some circulator formations" sounds like science to you, feel free to invest heavily in the scheme.

"Everything is not as easily dismissed as I see some of you doing here."

I agree. Just very recently a new state of matter was discovered by placing a large voltage across a gap filled with water. The water "hardens" into a solid like ice but without the changes in temperature. Remove the voltage and it reverts to a liquid again right away.

Also interesting is it is a di-electric, and can form an electret under the right conditions. Electrets behave very strangely in magnetic fields...

Give us a clue. Where on earth or beyond does this come from?

I saw it demostrated on Daily Planet on CTV/Discovery. Very interesting.

Hey! Isn't that the newspaper where Clark Kent works when he is not ducking into a phone booth to emerge as the "Man of Steel". I would much rather learn about getting nuclear fission energy from Lithium (lower binding energy than helium or beryllium), or even a reaction of some metal with water where excess heat was discovered, leading to more cold fusion debate. Or debate Lyn's perpetual motion machine, except replace the flame with a solar-pumped laser or something.

I wasn't joking. The experiment is simple, dangerous, but simple.

Take two glasses of water full to the brim, and connect one 2KV+ power supply with a DC blocking cap in series with the leads. One lead to one glass rim touching the water, and another lead on the other rim touching the water. Carefully bring the glasses together until the rims touch and water forms a bridge between the two glasses. Now, turn on the supply and carefully pull the glasses apart from each other. The water will form a bridge like a thread and will appear to stretch out across the gap. The gap can be much larger than it would be without the voltage. Also, the thread will act as though it is solid when disturbed by a plastic probe.

As for the di-electric effects water has, there are numerous experiments that show that water does not behave as you would expect under many circumstances, but all of those weird effects are largely un-studied. I would say the OP has some real reading to do before he drops his money in the hands of someone who claims any special knowledge of the effects of magnetic fields on water.

I for one don't believe in Hocus Pocus or magic. I'm a man of science, I like proven repeatable results. I think you'll find most of the regular contributors here share my basic stance.

well, some water can be magnetized to a degree, but why?

This is mandatory viewing for those that claim water molecules cannot be polarized or that there is no structure to water. I suggest that the lack of worldly knowledge of water is far too great to be ignored and that most anything is possible. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mJhogR7YLps we have not even scratched the surface on the understanding of water.

One of the things that makes our planet special is the presence of liquid water. Water is fundamental for all life; without it every living thing would die. It covers about 70% of Earth's surface and it makes up 65-75% of our bodies (82% of our blood is water). Even though water seems boring - no color, taste, or smell - it has amazing properties that make it necessary for supporting life.

The chemical composition of water is H₂O - two hydrogen atoms and one oxygen atom. Water has special properties because of the way these atoms bond together to form a water molecule, and the way the molecules interact with each other.

When the two hydrogen atoms bond with the oxygen, they attach to the top of the molecule rather like Mickey Mouse ears. This molecular structure gives the water molecule polarity, or a lopsided electrical charge that attracts other atoms. The end of the molecule with the two hydrogen atoms is positively charged. The other end, with the oxygen, is negatively charged. Just like in a magnet, where north poles are attracted to south poles ("opposites attract"), the positive end of the water molecule will connect with the negative end of other molecules.

What does this mean for us? Water's polarity allows it to dissolve other polar substances very easily. When a polar substance is put in water, the positive ends of its molecules are attracted to the negative ends of the water molecules, and vice versa. The attractions cause the molecules of the new substance to be mixed uniformly with the water molecules. Water dissolves more substances than any other liquid - even the strongest acid! Because of this, it is often called the "universal solvent." The dissolving power of water is very important for life on Earth. Wherever water goes, it carries dissolved chemicals, minerals, and nutrients that are used to support living things.

"water molecules cannot be polarized or that there is no structure to water"

I recall NO ONE claiming either of your misleading statements above.

The subject WAS the magnetization of water.

Re-read the thread, starting at the original statement. You, and others, have perverted the discussion.

No misrepresentation as magnetism is orientation of molecules but I will give the fact that magnetism indicates that said substance will attract ferric material. This may be possible but in strength too small for measurement. I have seen the scientific documents that show that water can in fact be polarized and measured. To what purpose I have no personal use thereof. The fact remains that there is much to learn concerning the structure of water.

You cannot magnetize water.

We can argue semantics, but you can only magnetize a solid.

The orientation of molecules in a liquid does not create a magnetic substance.

The discussion was originally about WATER. As usual the discussion has been bastardized by those wishing to prove their superior knowledge, when in reality they are just confusing the issue.

Ferro fluids are not water! You know that, I know that. It was covered here:

# 20 In reply to #19 Re: Magnetic effect on water and implosion 11/10/2013 3:36 PM

No effect on water. You cannot magnetize a liquid. Iron, in suspension, would be attracted to a magnet. Look up ferrofluids.

The orientation of molecules in a liquid does not create a magnetic substance.
The orientation of molecules in a solid does create a magnetic substance. What am I missing?

quite a bit

You are missing the point of the entire discussion, that's what.

Who said anything about solids??? Nobody. Never.

roy hammy confused the issue even more with his off the wall about polarization of water, when no one even mentioned that either. Another misguided attempt to show off!

OP said "magnetized water." I can't help it if some here either can't read or miscomprehend what the thought they read.

Pardon me, but it is yourself that is in denial. Water exposed to a magnetic field is in a different state to water outside that field. No matter that any effect is lost when the water is removed from the field - the same is true of a light bulb removed from a live circuit. While the water is within the magnetic field we are therefore allowed to look for some properties of water which we know do not exist outside the field. Your response to the OP should therefore be to acknowledge that under the very special circumstance of water being within a magnetic field strange properties may be exhibited, but since a substantial magnetic field cannot be placed around an agricultural crop, then the water cannot be expected to achieve more than conventional irrigation.

Yes, and water freezes if you make it cold enough and boils if you make it hot enough.

Remove those special circumstances and it then returns to normal, liquid water which has always been my point.

I never argued that you can't polarize it WHEN IN A MAGNETIC FIELD, UNDER SPECIAL CIRCUMSTANCES.

Pay attention!.

Water is not as simple as you may think:

http://www.masaru-emoto.net/english/water-crystal.html

These experiments were recreated by a team in Germany and they discovered that not only could you tell which slide was associated with each different "stimulus", but the researcher who prepared the slide could also be determined!

So the OP is NOT playing with snake oil, but instead needs to study up some more on what we KNOW Scientifically about water. So do all you text-book electrical geniuses need to study the rest of what we know beyond the standard text.

I hope PWSlack doesn't mind if I borrow this, but, WALOOB.

Sorry Deef but I believe that what the OP has proposed is snake oil. At first I did not believe the OP was trying to sell this snake oil. I believed he was considering buying this snake oil and was looking for our advice. Now I'm not so sure. Trying to find a plausible truth in the collection of near truths is how snake oil gets sold. You should notice that nothing has been mentioned or explained by OP or anyone else about what implodes. A vacuum chamber can implode, but water?

Implosion is debatable. It is simply what you do physically to the water to change it's orientation or some such. I have nothing to say about that! The electro-magnetics however are not out of line. The effects I mentioned are tested and reported scientifically. Electrets are as old as Ohm and Volta, yet little is mentioned of them in standard texts.

Dr. Emoto's work is repeatable. My daughters and I repeated the "Rice experiment" with similar results, and this is repeatable by you too if you put your mind to it!

What we know about the true nature of water and magneto-di-electric forces would fit in a thimble. What is printed in the standard texts of academia would fit up a flea's arse.

No, the Masaru Emoto "water crystal" research has not been successfully duplicated by any reputable scientists.

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Masaru_Emoto

Reputable according to whom? You can do it yourself, and then we'll talk about reputation and reputable.

Emoto follows strict procedure and gets what he gets. You can do it too, and you can see for yourself, I have, and i consider my results valid. Rice "loved" last a whole week longer than rice "hated". It's easy to do and it is without question when the experiment is conducted properly and consistently. As for the crystals, You need a dark field microscope and a deep freezer, and if you can't get results with that you're a screw-up or Emoto is wrong.

But until you guys with your opinions have actually conducted the easier grade-school level experiments offered by Emoto's lab, you have no ground to deny the veracity of the work.

As for the alignments possible with magnetic fields, you can do your own studies there too. Water is very sensitive to magnetic and electric forces. How long those effects last and what they appear to be after the fields are removed is up for examination, in my opinion. However, they cannot be dismissed out-of-hand. Something more than we know is happening. It will take healthy skepticism AND personal experience in experimentation to uncover the truth.

If they can't go for a Nobel Prize, then go for a Templeton instead. Mo' money, too!

Shirley you jest.

Alas, I wasn't kidding.

Pity the poor, befuddled OP.

I think I am done here.

Adieu.

your contribution is important to prevent take over by pseudo scientists. Please continue don't leave.

Thanks Lyn. I see you have put forth another opinion without examining the facts. Very nice. It was in the Kitchen and you can download the procedures from Emoto'swebside...Oh wait! That would be too much trouble and you might have to reconsider your opinion. Never mind.

"Hado creates words Words are the vibrations of nature Therefore beautiful words create beautiful nature Ugly words create ugly nature
This is the root of the universe."

Perhaps the Op attended one of Dr. Emoto's seminars.

I cannot bring myself to succumb to this pseudo science, mumbo jumbo.

"What we have here, is failure to communicate." (Cool Hand Luke)

And, this is me. "Always with the negative waves, Moriarty". (Kelly's Heros)

Gotta go, I have snakes to milk.

"Emoto follows strict procedure and gets what he gets. You can do it too, and you can see for yourself, I have, and i consider my results valid. ..."

You're describing a magic trick, not a scientific experiment.

I never argued that you can't polarize it
True, but not the whole truth. You actually stated that water could not be magnetised, without any qualification. You now grudgingly backtrack to allow that it can be polarised under the special circumstances of a magnetic field. I don't regard a magnetic field as being that special. Is it a special circumstance to put water in a magnetic field but not special to put an iron nail within the same field? If so, why?

Prove to me that you can pick up a piece of iron with a beaker of water.

To suggest that water is "magnetized" is a complete folly. If you "put an iron nail within the same field" it will retain its magnetic properties. Water will not.

You can't magnetize water. Period. End of debate.

All we've done with our verbal jousting is to further confuse the OP!

lyn:

You are genius.

Ionic current in water can form weak magnetic field, intense plasma in water can form strong magnetic currents, fusion in water can do what we see in sun as its magnetic field. 90% water in out body plays a lot of games of electricity and magnetism, so it is in all types of animals with just little KCl, NaCl and with those living Proteins. As such drinking water is cool so keep drinking it without any fear or worries that it will make one some kind of magnet one day.

I think you live somewhere near those Lakes with lots of water near your home. They won't pull any nail in the wood you may have in your house so a glass of water is pretty safe. Ships used to lose their metal nail not due to water but due to highly magnetized rocks in the sea base.

I think every good idea CR4 can pay $100 and every worst (stupid) idea need to be fined by $1. You put a lot of thinking time and very logically so I greatly admire. I keep wondering about your professional life. You think like a good Physics Professor.

Actually water will turn to ice at room temperature under high pressure(about 20atm), so I've heard....never tried it myself...

You don't magnetize the water per se, Instead, the idea behind the magnetics is to re-align the molecules, which, in fact, happens because water is a polarized di-electric substance. A single molecule is an electret material, which is a di-electric with a stored di-pole charge. When electrets come near a magnetic field, they are influenced by them directly and at 90deg to the motion of the magnetic field. This effect causes them to re-align.

I would suggest you study up on electrets. You will be amazed at what was left out of your standard text! There are many YouTube videos on how to make your own, and all you need is a High-voltage DC source, Carnuba Wax, Rosin, and beeswax. A charged electret does weird things around a Neo magnet.

Many years ago I worked in our Turkeys farm, we raised turkeys.

One day came a guy from another Kibutz and convinced us to share a experiment of applying drinking water to the turkeys which was flowing in a device with a magnetic field. This device was developed by him and by a chemistry proffesor in the the Technion in haifa.

In this experiment we should compare the turkeys growth, food consumption, food efficiency between to turkeys sheds in the same farm, the shades were the same size.

BUT- except of the size, there were so many differences that the experiment was valueless.

BUT- about the time, a friend of mine -prof' Arthur Stoter, from the technion told me that he tested a device for improving fuel consumption after the fuel flow in this magtetic field device. He had no explanation for the fact that the magnetic field induced fuel had 30% better efficiency compared to non magnetic fuel!!!

Once I had worked with an Englishman. He once said, " Don't say NO straightly to scientific comment or observation. Just say, I don't know about this." He was a very polite person.

In the late 70's while was a student I found an article in a magazine in my country regarding MAGNETIZED WATER saying it is capable of curing some diseases & exerting some other effects, citing references from foreign sources. In those days Internet was not available & the refs. could not be verified. The article said if a non metallic container filled with water & kept between the poles of a strong magnet overnight it would become magnetized.

Diseases are generally cured/treated by substances known as drugs (or in some areas called as medicine). I observed that in homeopathy several dilutions are used. With the help of Avogadro's formula it can be shown that in a very high power dilution, even a single molecule of the substance does not exist, yet it works. I thought magnetic water might work in a similar way or something like that.

With a hard perseverance I could manage a large magnet & prepared so called magnetized water & drunk myself. After several days of drinking & simultaneously testing my blood, finally I did not find any blood picture change, which was supposed to be as per the article. So I could not prove the magnetized water.

But don't call me a fool; I was then too young. Thanks.

Many claims of cure-alls were made of Tesla's work too. Snake oil salesmen will sell what they can, but that does not diminish what is truly scientific about the claims. Tesla did things with electo-magnetics that have still not been repeated, but have definitely been sold as snake oil!

One needs to be skeptical for sure, but not be dismissive at the same time! Inquiry is dead otherwise.

Nowadays scientific cheating has become a lucrative and growing business. Recently, someone came to us with a product which he claimed, if fitted to a water pipeline, would enhance the property of water and help in increasing the yield of the crop by 40%. This, according to the catalog provided by him, is accomplished by some special magnets inside the device. The field created, energizes the water passing through and as the water is taken by the plant, it transfers the same to the plant. The result claimed is faster growth, immunity from pests and diseases and 40% increased yield. He had several modals to suit different volume flow- though very expensive. The presentation he made citing several research papers and research institutions in US and Europe made it very convincing. I just told him two things. One, to go and meet the head of the government as they spend billions to just increase agri output by few percent. Then, to bring it to the notice of Swedish academy so that the inventor will get Nobel Prize.

There are several such products available in the market. Magnetic water therapy- a magnetic base on which one can keep a glass of water and drink after one minute. Magnetic card which protects you from radiation from mobile. Fuel saving device which when clamped to fuel line claims to reduce consumption. Out of 10 people, even one person fall prey, they will make their money.

I think it's about time for a flying Ga Ga to land here.....