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Lunar Skepticism

12/15/2013 11:48 AM

maybe I'm jaded, I'm just not confident I'm looking at the real MCcoy when China claims to be successfully roving the moon

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12/15/2013 11:54 AM

Interesting. Why's that?

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12/15/2013 12:54 PM

Dude, wake up and smell the Ruskies... err I mean Chinese... whatever.
Face it, the US went there on some pretty 'state of the arc' technology.
Things have moved an a huge amount since then.
Except the rockets which have barely progressed since Wernher was welcomed with open arms by the US having lobbed his rockets at the UK for a few years

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Dude we're all jaded... now't that week or so for Christmas won't cure.
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12/16/2013 10:55 AM

When we (U.S.) went to the moon, it was controlled from computers that had less computing power in a cell phone. It was done by slide rulers and skill (Neil Armstrong's lunar landing when his landing computer *ERROR* and he had to take the controls by hand and landed the eagle with seconds of fuel to spare) ......

Hey, the Moon is not owned or controlled by anyone....... yet.

IF China wants to be a leader in space,..... let them....... they will find out, there are benefits, but there is also a price to pay.

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12/16/2013 1:15 PM

are these the pilots?

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12/16/2013 1:42 PM

Oooooh, lets all write in and say it's a myth and get them to create their own space program on a budget.

They can keep it simple (its challenging enough as it is), they can use proper rocket fuel rather than salami or fireworks this time for their rocket.

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12/15/2013 1:08 PM

Just look at all the mess these things leave behind. Tutty-tut!

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12/15/2013 1:12 PM

What? Are you saying the Egyptians got there first?
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12/15/2013 1:48 PM

I'm not concerned with 1st place. I just have a real good Idea how hard it is to make a moonshot without ending up as a crater-maker

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12/15/2013 1:54 PM

When we first landed on the moon, I was working at Motorola Aerospace. We were heavily into the electronics at the time. We had people who worked there who didn't believe that we were actually "there", on the moon.

It's no stretch for me to believe that China is there. I've worked with PhD's from China. Not a lick of common sense, but smart as a whip when it came to complex math and engineering.

Believe me, they are there.

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12/15/2013 2:04 PM

I believe it, I just don't like it our once awesome space program has been gutted

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12/15/2013 2:15 PM

Hey you had a good 40 year run, cannot be on top for ever.

At least you weren't personally working on one of the Mars rover projects that got canceled.

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12/15/2013 2:12 PM

Maybe it'll find that golf ball, or try to burn our flag.

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12/15/2013 2:15 PM

maybe steal the flag, reverse engineer it and sell it back to us

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12/15/2013 2:47 PM

I bet most of our flags are already made there.

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12/15/2013 2:16 PM

Why would they do that, they made both didn't they?

(ok so that was a poke at the current state of world-wide manufacturing)

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12/15/2013 10:43 PM

Have no fear - the flag won't burn. Their matches won't even strike. Hey would you at least get sparks?

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12/16/2013 7:26 AM

The match would flare and go out. A bit like rockets, it has its own oxidizer.

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12/15/2013 2:16 PM

It would be of value, then, to separate national characteristics and preferences from the scientific and engineering endeavour.

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12/15/2013 3:27 PM

Those darned Chinese!

Next thing you know, they'll be inventing the computer.

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12/15/2013 4:46 PM

It's the same studio NASA used in 1969. :)

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12/15/2013 6:56 PM

the shadow angles have changed, maybe they upgraded the lighting since the 60s

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12/15/2013 10:48 PM

CFLs.

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12/15/2013 5:18 PM

Those track imprints are WAY too deep for low gravity. Got to be done in an earth studio.

(Doesn't mean they've not landed etc, but the shots released seem Earth based.)

Hey, maybe they'll discover "life" remnants from the landings from 40 years ago.

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12/15/2013 10:49 PM

I understand they called for a tow truck, but they didn't have AAA.

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12/16/2013 7:27 AM

CAA????

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12/16/2013 8:16 AM

This is an older technological achievement now, having been first done over 40 years ago. So why not? It doesn't take a rocket scientist does it? Oh - I guess it does.

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12/16/2013 8:21 AM

I just takes industrial espionage and reverse engineering.

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12/16/2013 8:25 AM

I think you'll find that the Chinese invented rockets!
Go and sit on the naughty step and think about it!

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12/16/2013 8:40 AM

And we know they are very good at that sort of thing.

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12/16/2013 8:24 AM

"China's moon probe is a way to exhibit to the world that we have acquired advanced space technology, which is more sophisticated than nuclear technology, and it is also a way to win international recognition as a big power," said He Qisong, a space expert at the Shanghai University of Political Science and Law.

He said that finding and developing mineral resources on the moon could help solve future problems on Earth.

http://news.yahoo.com/china-launch-moon-rock-collecting-probe-2017-052713202.html

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12/16/2013 9:17 AM

If you question it,.......... better have your ducks in a row as opposed to the hippie yuppie, what ever student that question Buzz Aldrin..... not bad for an 80+ year old.....

Buzz Aldrin Punch - YouTube

Good for Buzz, I don't condone violence, but this was hilarious

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12/16/2013 9:48 AM

I never saw that before, not bad for an old guy

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12/16/2013 9:56 AM

Way to go Buzz!

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12/16/2013 10:21 AM

"...now son... what was that about coward and liar?"
That kid was about a foot taller than him.

I too don't condone violence, but that kid had it comin'

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12/16/2013 5:17 PM

Go get 'em Buzz. I agree, in this case, it was called for. Nice right cross.

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12/16/2013 3:21 PM

Hopefully they will find and document lunar relics that NASA reportedly refuses to release. I don't think that we were the first there...too many unanswered questions from our own people. Not confident they're there? Check with Radio Amateur sites. I'm sure there are many directional antennas pointed at the moon receiving signals, and computers deciphering information, even if it's in Mandarin.

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12/16/2013 6:10 PM

You're right, dammit! Just looked it up on my HAL9000

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12/16/2013 5:19 PM

Just ran across this //Intellihub.com/2013/11/30/Mexican-government-releases-proof-of-e-t-s-and-ancient-space-travel/

It's a video of Mayan artifacts in Mexico...Interesting.

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12/16/2013 6:21 PM

Have you got a link that doesn't lead to this:

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12/16/2013 7:44 PM

All that work to joy ride in the moon buggy?

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12/16/2013 8:10 PM

中国男子1:车载关键字字段必须在这里......检查在遮阳板

中国男子2:没有,请检查座位下

中国男子1:不存在,请检查挡泥板...

中国男子2找到它们。 我驾驶。

中国男子1:我请鸟枪

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12/17/2013 3:13 PM

Post 16 makes a good point about the track depth in the soil, take a look at the Lunar Rover picture above and compare, the depth is much less than the Jade(d) Rabbit's. Granted the tread is open vs. closed, but it still leaves me wondering.

Another point to ponder, you have to wonder why the country that supplies the world with HD cameras distributes such low definition images of their prize achievement. Hopefully better image analysts than I are going over every pixel in those images.

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12/18/2013 11:11 AM

I know, right? I can't figure why the video looks like the same crappy color images from America's 1960's ventures.

Hopefully some intrepid ham hackers can clean up the feed for us.

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12/18/2013 11:18 AM

back in 69 I watched (like everyone else) a black and White TV feed of Mr Armstrong actually stepping off the ladder. as poor as it was the picture was far better than this shot which is more than 40 years newer! makes ya think??

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12/18/2013 4:49 PM

I recently saw the video of it also....... funny thing is, I never recalled how fuzzy and grainy it was when I saw it live also......

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12/17/2013 6:45 AM

I have some good news and some bad news!

First, the bad news: The Chinese have landed on the moon!

Now for the good news... All of them!

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12/17/2013 10:16 AM

If only it were true.

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12/17/2013 11:03 AM

...back on the step...
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12/17/2013 1:21 PM

...back on the step...

....Which is also made in China.

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12/24/2013 3:42 AM

确实是好消息,终于可以离美国人远一点了。

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There are a lot of americans who would like to distance themselves from the effing self serving progressive politicians who spend 5 million to get a 100k job...does that tell you anything?

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01/07/2014 4:33 PM

But is the Moon enough of a distance?

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not really!

or they have more money than sense??

maybe they should go to the moon too!!

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12/17/2013 9:14 AM

And they just declared it part of their territorial waters!

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12/17/2013 3:28 PM

Hmm, the Jade Rabbit only weighs 120kg, while the Lunar Rover weighed 210kg, yet seems to leave a considerably shallower tread mark in the soil. Is Just An Engineer onto something??

And how come there are no shadows from the round things on the top of the Rabbit? Anybody care to compute the center of gravity and tipping potential of something that narrow with projections (solar panels?) mounted so high and far out?

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12/17/2013 3:41 PM

I think the tread depth is real, given the design of the wheel/tire.

With 1/6 the gravity to deal with tipping isn't an issue.

There's no reason to believe they can go send a robot there.

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12/17/2013 4:02 PM

Of course not, but it would be fun to catch 'em if they forgot some little detail in their "simulation".

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You mean something like this........

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12/18/2013 2:42 AM

"With 1/6 the gravity to deal with tipping isn't an issue" - the vectors still work the same. Admittedly there'd be less likelyhood of it sinking into the dust layer (possibly unevenly).

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12/17/2013 7:43 PM

I wonder if the chinese lander will find the secret nazi base on the moon.

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12/18/2013 2:47 AM

Or maybe that long-lost plane:

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12/18/2013 7:40 PM

I wasn't seeing a bomber just sex bombs

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12/19/2013 6:28 AM

Someone had to say what the rest of us were looking at.

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12/19/2013 8:00 PM

I was, the die hard engineers were checking the plane picture for irregularities!

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12/20/2013 8:59 AM

Yes,....... problem is, there are now cheese finger prints all over it because they were eating cheesy puffs while checking for "irregularities".....

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12/20/2013 10:22 AM

another photo to consider released recently

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12/20/2013 11:29 AM

nice round, smooth rocks everywhere, there must be more running water, wind and rain there than I thought

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12/20/2013 11:33 AM

Nice turning radius! It would sure help me when I'm parking in NYC. I want one for Christmas, yep, Walmart has it 1/20 scale.

Seriously though, why do they keep showing it with the light source sun at the same angle as the first picture? We now have the front and back, how about a side view. And why aren't the solar panels perpendicular to the sun?

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12/20/2013 12:08 PM

that was one of my first thoughts as well, I called CHINA, turns out the side of the moon they landed on has two suns

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