Energy, Food for Thought

You seem to be having difficulty understanding. Look at the pictures below and consider if removing the solar panel from the support structure would meaningfully increase the permeability of the ground below.

An impervious surface, (in my county), is anything that blocks the flow of water into the ground.

Would you be willing to be a professional witness in front of my county government?

I would believe the man was correct in what he said earlier. The county does not understand, so why attack him on his understanding? You seem to have trouble reading words. Obviously you live in Europe!

Maybe the local government employee does not understand his job and/or simply doesn't like Kramarat......Maybe he simply got up his nose!". Which I can understand!!

Here for example, these ones you showed pictures of would be accepted as not affecting the ground water levels at all..

It seems strange that the solar panels are not acceptable.....

I never read him, but I have a sister that relishes in doling out pain to others, while pretending to be smart and helpful.

...and a president.

...and an online friend named tinac.

Dolling out pain? I had no idea that my words had that level of influence over you/effect on you, Kramarat. I suspect it is not actually the case.

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What's up with this ad hominem attack?

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This comment of yours to which I am replying again, still puzzles me. How is it that you perceive a suggestion that you might find similarities between some of your thoughts and some of the ideas of a famous great thinker, as some sort of slight; i.e. 'doling out pain, while pretending to be smart and helpful'.

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Introducing something to someone who may not have been familiar and may find value therein, is no slight. It is also insufficient to be considered 'smart' or even 'pretending to be smart'. The same is true for someone who doesn't feel slighted by being introduced to something new and might enjoy learning something new. 'Helpful' in either case depends on far more variables.

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It is pretty much always the antithesis of 'smart and helpful' to categorically reject any introduction to new ideas under the pretense that such a suggestion is some sort of slight, intended to dole out pain, 'while pretending to be smart and helpful'.

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A reassessment of the criteria you use to decide what you will or will not learn and incorporate into you system of beliefs, appears urgently needed.

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Was it only Twitter who excluded you? There are a lot of people like you in Sweden, particularly Falun, Ludvika, Orebro and a few other small villages.

Perhaps you should move there and be more comfortable. You could all vomit together in a little huddle and console one another later.

To my mind, you are simply being childish with such posts.The previous one was funny......not childish!!

It is well below the level I personally would like to see, but it is actually your decision only as to how you would like to be perceived by others......here as in "real" life!!!

But if you are happy with it, then so am I !!

I cannot speak for others though, maybe they would like to post their own opinions here as well....welcome to all.....if any?

ORIGIN from Latin idem quod . Depending on which dictionary one chooses. However, it was never this in the 1st place. But assumption is a good excuse for most.

I never assume much, but do ask why. However, based on your possible English language heritage, consideration should be given that it could represent something else, in another language, considering I speak more than one.

As-salamu alaykum. That is Arabic for Go safely. Hamba Kahle madoda.

But, I do like 'ick'. I like that very much. It has an appealing quality. Thanks. ICK.

How about ICKY?

Truth be told, I live and work in these villages, have done for the past year. No Internet searches here, my friend. This is real life. In re-evaluating your personal perspective of how life is for you, it is not necessarily the same uniform standard across Europe, the USA, UK, or Africa.

Some of us are not 'armchair' experts but rather people who have experienced these countries first hand in living there and working there.

I reiterate my strong feelings, how dare the rest of the world hold back on clean energy, clean water and a better living standard for all people. Your own interest is purely greed and profiteering and control of others. And still, you have the audacity to persecute, pummel, indoctrinate the ordinary man in the street for not doing enough to clean up the planet. My, what a fickle society we have here.

Nonetheless, I find it typical of many these days, "give me all the credit and look at me, but please don't ask me to take responsibility!"

Mini grids to clean up the planet, each home having its own small power system. Fantastic.

Corporations and big business; screw them, they have had their day. Move over, Jo Household's day is starting. I will add this, the Swedes recycle very well, but, they get paid to recycle, so they have good incentives to do so.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qlTA3rnpgzU#t=203

Solar FREAKIN' Roadways!

Worth knowing what can be done if the mind is open enough. Mayhaps you can replace your gravel driveway with this. And it process the rain water too.

I'm thinking no

Sure, I'll discuss your review:

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1) Nothing to argue about here. This seems very consistent with mainstream anthropogenic global warming ideas...i.e. a lot more coal derived MW hours and a lot more petroleum fueled vehicle miles, in Africa or elsewhere is the big concern for those who agree/accept the larger tenets of that model.

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2) Once again, your assessment and summary of the facts is very reasonable.

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3) ...and the first problems begin:

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"...The hydrogen system described by Nocera is purchased lock, stock and barrel by the US military industrial complex, eliminating the possibility of Africa, or anyone else, from seeing it come to fruition...."

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I hope you can see how this comment is different from the previous comments. In this third comment fail to make any distinction between facts of reasonable certainty and menacing plots that have fearfully grown in your imagination.

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Flow Batteries have likely been the larger part of that business for some time, the fact that the artificial leaf technology did not get all the lip service in PR about the purchase, is far far too little 'evidence' that the technology is being suppressed.

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This failure to vet ideas before you begin ranting about the imagined calamity as if it were foregone conclusion, is grossly irresponsible. Whether you are spreading and repeating baseless accusation about the US deliberately infecting masses of people with HIV or Ebola, or whether you are preaching as truth your fears about the suppression of technology, it is dishonest to misrepresent fantasy as established fact.

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4) This one has a statement that is valid, but you seem to be implying that they bought the whole company for the flow battery at the exclusion of the artificial leaf, for which I have yet to see convincing evidence.

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5) and 6) aren't problematic.

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7) Is factually correct, but it is obvious that you are trying to imply that the US has played a deliberate part in causing the epidemic, i.e. chose to infect masses of people. Note that the patent is for means to identify the strain and for work on developing immunity to the virus.

At the very least, grow a pair and stop inferring, implying, and using innuendo to hint at and suggest these accusations. Have some integrity. If you think the US government is or has been infecting people with Ebola, or HIV, then stand up on your hind two feet and make specific accusations along with an supporting evidence as a dignified upright citizen.

Interesting. Not one shred of evidence from you in any form. However, I do admire you for your belief and steadfastness in your belief. It is a pure opinion, which you are entitled to have, as is anyone else is. Accept people are entitled to have opinions, voice them and believe their own conclusions.

You simply do not know what your government or any other government or military heads are doing with your life. They don't need your consent or counsel. And they will tell you anything they like to justify their actions. And you will believe them. Illusionists!

N.B. What has growing a pair got to do with having an opinion? We already know that having a pair reduces blood flow to the brain.

"...However, I do admire you for your belief and steadfastness in your belief...."

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You'll have to find something else to hang that admiration on. You have mistaken my unwillingness to accept baseless accusations as a distinct belief, but it is not.

My rejection of accusations with no backing does not qualify as a belief any more than atheism qualifies as a religion.

I don't want to be completely negative here, so here is something positive I can write about your most recent comment. You seem to be diversifying and not relying exclusively on the argument from ignorance logical fallacy. You have apparently now are working to incorporate the false dichotomy logical fallacy into your assertion. Good for you for broadening your horizons.

I do believe you have had sufficient proof. Should you not research your own information to disprove anything, that is your dilemma. Have you provided any proof so far? I honestly cannot recall any from yourself. But, I think I also still await the maths issue. Passed on that or simply, digress to other areas?

I shall agree to disagree with you. My horizon however has been broad for many years. That is what makes me, Me! It will continue to broaden and grow as my bubble collapse many years ago and I never did replace it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aral_Sea

Should we wait for something like this to happen before we trouble ourselves with being concerned about clean energy.

Oddly enough, the same thing is happening in the USA,

http://www.globalpost.com/dispatches/globalpost-blogs/weird-wide-web/salton-sea-drying-up-salty-photos

It is a sad day when everyone can agree to some extent that we should all be chipping in to fix things, yet stand so divided when it comes to actually standing up and doing something worthy.

This last reply of yours seems to be an effort to morph the disagreement into something profoundly different. If you lose track, you can always scroll up a little to refresh your understanding.

Maybe we could use vaccines to reduce population. Lets focus on Africa....says the guy that has amassed an $80 billion personal fortune through deception. Windows 10 is just around the corner. Can't wait.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6WQtRI7A064

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=13QiSV_lrDQ

Don't worry. We've got boots on the ground in Africa, and Iraq and Syria will be solved with arms shipments and bombs.

http://www.naturalnews.com/029911_vaccines_Bill_Gates.html

More paranoid delusion:

International diplomatic efforts,

including the 1972 Biological Weapons Convention, have not been entirely effective in preventing the enhancement and proliferation of offensive biological warfare programs. The threats posed by biological weapons are likely to continue into the future.

http://www2a.cdc.gov/nip/isd/spoxclincian/contents/references/BioWarfareHistory.pdf

The Huffington Post?

A right wing hate machine?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cZGwpbJpGIU

"...Maybe we could use vaccines to reduce population. Lets focus on Africa....says the guy...."

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Just in case you have been mislead by the video links and actually think that mentioning the expected population reduction from widespread vaccination established or even suggests some nefarious plot to increase mortality rates instead of decrease mortality rates, here is the explanation.

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Birth rates in developing countries, especially those countries with high infant and child mortality rates, are high compared to developed countries. A major driver of this phenomena is that parents rely on their children when they are themselves too old too work. Typically a minimum of two children is perceived as the minimum necessary to care for elderly parents late in life and still be able to support their own families. When infant and child mortality rates are high, families tend to be very large as this is necessary to have a reasonable chance of having at least two children alive to care for the parents when they are elderly.

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Let's assume a high mortality rate puts the chance of a new born living to be able to provide care to their parents at 50%, so that easy to calculate. If a family decided to have just children, the probability of having insufficient care later in life because of two few surviving offspring is still above 10%.

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It isn't hard to understand why vaccination and other improvements to healthcare when accompanied by some empowerment of women, reproductive education and possibly access to contraceptives, can lead to fewer instances of infant and childhood mortality but at the same time decreased rates of population growth.

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A really great post, I'm just really surprised to be the first to give a GA....

Even in Europe and the USA in the 19th and early 20th Century, the comments were still VERY true. My Grandparents (Fathers side) had 9 children, of them 3 died in infancy and one as a teenager. Almost 50%.....

The biggest killer was Meningitis (in the family at least) as there were no antibiotics....plus an uncle, as a teenager died due to leg straightening operations as he suffered from Rickets, in about 1938 I believe, a lack of vitamin C!!! The family were well off, but somehow the money was seemingly badly spent food wise!!

My father had Meningitis as a 4 year old and the family doctor bored a hole in his skull to release the excessive fluid pressure (at home!), the first time it was used as far as we can tell in the UK. Whether that is true or not I cannot say....

My brother (many years ago) when he was about 25 collapsed at home with Meningitis, nearly died! I got it here in Germany when I was about 45!! Nearly died! I spent 3 weeks in hospital recovering.....bad news!!

Our children have been up to now, spared......we will see....

You could even say that Africa today, in many areas, is where the UK and the USA (and certain European countries only) were in the 19th Century.

Not Germany though, they did not have properly trained Doctors till well into the 20th Century......very, very late.....only "Quacks" like the UK in the 18th Century and earlier!!!! You could call them tribal witch doctors in many cases.....

Read about how they treated the last Kaiser to try and cure his left arm of nerve damage by a botched birth.....strapping the just killed bodies of small animals to his bad arm and the like!!

It is startling to think about how much knowledge and competence must have been lost in the dark ages. That hospitals and medical practice in Germany and other countries we consider developed or '1st World', only returned to being on average more helpful that harmful, only within the last 100 years, speaks volumes.

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In the late 1800's when archeologists began uncovering numerous skulls dating back thousands of years that showed evidence of surviving from trephination, probably therapeutically to relieve pressure, there was widespread disbelief in large part because the ancient skulls also indicated such overall good survival rates, whereas the operation was almost impossible to survive with the latest 'modern' western medicine in the late 1800's.

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It certainly took a long time to get back to a level of competence for such an important profession. I hope we can avoid tripping down another dark ages path.

It would be almost funny thinking Obarma wants to kill people from Africa, if it was not so serious......but I cannot laugh as people are still being infected and dying....

But there are a certain type of people around, as I have said before, always WANTING to believe ANYTHING, rather than listen to educated reason....

Thanks for posting.

Experimental, no doses available yet....simply read the link you posted all the way through and not just the headlines!!

No longer experimental.

It worked.

.....but no further doses.

Do you have any idea just how long it takes to validate results and turn that into a production line?

Plus the time for production.....

See here:-

http://www.fda.gov/downloads/Drugs/Guidances/UCM070336.pdf

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Validation_%28drug_manufacture%29

One "stopper" is that if there is a later "problem" with the drug, the company may have to pay out billions in recompense....it puts them off from rushing the validation part. It can take YEARS!!!

We will never know for sure, but I bet the two people treated had to sign waiver documents, "just in case!", BEFORE they got the drug!!

Would you want any of your family treated with a drug that later proved to do more harm than good? I seriously doubt that!!

While I can certainly understand your desire to distance yourself from your former comments, a better way to do it would be to make a retraction.

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Since you seem not to be able to find it in your own comment, the following is the fairly unambiguously promotion of the ideas you are now trying to pawn off on African leaders:

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".....There is no smoke without fire! So what may seem ludicrous to some, may not in fact be so far fetched at all. Strange how these things break out in mineral rich, war torn Africa and never poor Europe, Britain, USA, Canada etc. I know, you will justify and point out, the errors of my way. However, neither of us will ever really know for sure, what the truth is!..."

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It is quite clear that you arguing that these accusations should be considered likely probabilities, even though no credible evidence has been presented. So, it is too late to claim that you weren't championing these accusations.

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The real kicker is, even if you hadn't added 'There is no smoke without fire' or other statements of obvious support. Merely parroting these accusations without some commentary about the utter lack of evidence for such, would reasonably be seen as support. That is an ill considered, reckless position to take, and while you are certainly at liberty to hold and express such views, you count on me exercising my liberty to point out how utterly asinine it is to express such views.

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Well put.

The voice of reason.

Thanks.

I am of the same opinion, thanks for your post and support.

"...However, neither of us will ever really know for sure, what the truth is!..."

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That argument is fallacious. Basing your accusations on the sum total of "...some people in Africa said..." and "...well you don't know for certain that it isn't so..." should being embarrassing.

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Think how many other thing might be justified by that negligible standard. What if I told you I overheard people suggesting that unbeknownst to you, you well a frequent sleep walker, with the disturbing habit of eating puppies and kittens in the neighborhood. Well, I heard someone say it, and neither of us knows for sure that it isn't true, so maybe that is a reasonable thing to warn everyone in the neighborhood about.

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Please consider upgrading your process for vetting information you receive. "There is no smoke without fire" leaves you open to believe anything anyone says, just because they say it.

'....leaves you open to believe anything anyone says, just because they say it."

Obarma Care? Global warming? Clean energy? CO2? OK, I understand the logic now. Silly me. It really is all BS. Right? Reverse psychology. Clever, I like that. Throw another bucket of coal on the fire, while you are up dear!

Spread a diesease, go in afterwards and help out with hospitals,medicines, money, and look like angels! Clever ploy.

Now why don't you reduce the costs of electricty, reduce the costs of clean energy, solar panels, hydrogen batteries, electric cars and make it affordable to everyone in the world to use. And stop producing bloody plastic bottles and bags too.

Would this not be a better thing to do for all of mankind and the planet we inhabit?

I just post links. For that I am hated.

Not hated by me, I am loving this. Some just live in bubbles and don't realize what actually goes on in the big world.

We probably know less than 10% of what's actually happening in the geopolitical arena at any given time.

At least I'm able to admit it and try to search out the clues as to what's really going on.

Complete ignorance is particularly annoying, especially from engineers that are supposed to believe in truth and logic.

....but only very recently!!!

http://www.mrctv.org/blog/louis-farrakhan-obama-thats-murderer-white-house

What, did MIT kick him out?

I was wondering the same thing.

MIT would be the holy grail for me.

Anyway, I'm off to get started on my backyard power station...as soon as I find the place to get the same $7500 subsidy that I would get to buy a Volt.

You need to consult with a subsidy engineer of the sort who can get a $50k home solar system.

update....http://www.lockheedmartin.com/us/news/press-releases/2014/august/0825hq-sun-catalytix.html

still think its a joke or conspiracy?

Nope. I think you've just provided the proof that this will never be scaled down to the level that a homeowner can utilize it.

Do you think Lockheed is interested in "personalizing" energy generation? I can't remember the last thing I've bought from them...that hasn't been with my tax dollars.

It's been bought up, and now it will be buried.

Of course, it would be just crazy to think that Lockheed would act as a proxy for the US government.

Keep us posted, and let me know when it becomes "personalized".

I just knew you'd say almost the exact thing!

It's my job.

Lockheed is a publicly owned company...they will be reporting on the progress to shareholders....it's completely transparent.....sorry no conspiracy here....shouldn't you be taking some sort of medication?

Do you honestly believe that a US defense contractor is obligated to release the details of it's technologies and aquisitions? Holy crap! Why do I bother?

Lockheed Martin (NYSE: LMT ) has reached across the Atlantic for its latest acquisition. The company announced that it has bought Amor Group, a U.K.-based, privately held IT company that specializes in the energy, transport, and public services sectors. The terms of the deal were not made public.

http://www.fool.com/investing/general/2013/09/11/lockheed-martin-makes-an-acquisition.aspx

Can you find me the details of what's going on with these aquisitions?

http://www.bga-aeroweb.com/firms/Acquisitions/Acquisitions-Divestures-Lockheed-Martin.html

While you're at it, get me the ingredients to McDonald's special sauce and the yummy formula for KFC chicken. They are publicly traded also.

I stand corrected.

Everything that Lockheed is involved in is public and transparent.

Can't wait to get my personal hydrogen generator.

Now I can save the planet too!!!!!!!

Hey Fredski, is Lockheed taking pre-orders?

you might like this Kramhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2EMIlfKBdNQ

I love it!

Where are they?

I never questioned the feasibility of your OP.

Why can't I seem to be able to arm myself in the fight to save my planet?

We're dying. I should be able to buy this shit at Walmart...unless we're not dying.

I've been following this story for about 2 years. just today I read Lockeed had bought them, lock stock and barrel last month. a ton of work went into this but you can see its all quite real and highly renewable with nothing burned or emitted. its exciting

It is exciting, and we will never see it.

Maybe I'm attempting to compensate for my decades of partying, and assuming that our politicians from both parties were dedicated to defend and uphold our constitution. I was wrong.

The least I can do now, although I will lose in the end, is to attempt to expose the corruption that has become a terminal cancer.

Consider it white background noise. Our future is pretty much set. Good luck.

Who cares?

Now if you were following similar Chinese companies as well and asking the same questions (not to forget Korea, India and Taiwanese companies), I might take your comments more seriously.....

But you don't, so I don't either!

Did you know, before this question from me, even the name of ONE such company in each of these countries?

I bet you didn't know even one!!! By the way, I don't either......

But I don't make such seriously biased, unfair and simply wrong comments either....

I could, but I don't!! It might make me look stupid!!

Have a great day.

Where do the hydrogen and oxygen come from? Not made using electricity by any chance?