What Caused This Label Migration?

Obviously Intel is going to absorb Windoz!

When a daddy label meets a mommy label, he sometimes likes to stick his... Oh, you already know all this stuff.

There is a fifth dimension beyond that which is known to man. It is a dimension as vast as space and as timeless as infinity. It is the middle ground between light and shadow, between science and superstition, and it lies between the pit of man's fears and the summit of his knowledge. This is the dimension of imagination. It is an area which we call the Twilight Zone.

(Rod Serling)

Heat maybe, expansion and contraction = creep?

Regards JD.

Clearly this is evidence of magnetic pole destabilization.....

This reminds me of paintings by member Ky.

One of two possibilities.

1.) Heat from the computer

2.) bored underwear gnomes.

I lean towards number one, but number two is still a possibility.

The lack of a ten-foot high border fence of barbed wire, and other accompaniments such as dogs.

Plate tectonics.

You wait - in another 5 million years you'll have mountains and volcanoes there.

Every time I wore a baseball cap, it looked twisted to the left in front of the mirror; I started thinking my head was warped, the issue went on for years, 'till I asked two friends in different occasions to watch me: It was me tapping the cap with my right hand every couple of minutes.

Now the problem keeps going, but I now know why !.

You need a pop top cap, not a twist on cap

In the past, there may have been a "label bridge" that allowed the movement away from non-ionic surfactant invaders from the south.

Eventually, due to cross breeding, there will be many labels with variations of "Windoz" and "Intel", Such as "Nodoz" and "Wowtiem".

Do you store or carry this laptop with the right side down?

No. It spends 99% of its life sitting horizontally on a desk.

It's probably powered up 8 hours a day.

And the other 1% ?

It hovers over the TV, mostly at night when we're asleep.

Well then it is going cross-eyed watching TV in the dark (just like what my Mom said would happen).

Ohhhh....I missed this bit of pertinent information. The TV is involved.

So it's not related to Ghost Busters, it is Poltergeist, and considering your location in old Apache/Navajo territory, no doubt you're on an Indian graveyard.

They're back.

I had a Timex that I "kept on licking" until it melted just like that.

I had a tooties pop like that once.

Windows labels are obedient labels. Every time you tell your Windows computer where to go the labels move about an angstrom in that direction. Since they only move one angstrom per command and they have moved about 1/8" downward you must tell your computer where to go frequently.

The labels are not level partially because you are normally sitting to one side of the computer. This causes an uneven application of force. If you move your computer to the other side of your desk you will start to see the labels slowly level out.

Another factor in the labels being tilted in different directions is due to the rounded top of the Intel label resolving the Windows force vector differently from the square upper corner of the Windows label.

Intel labels respond better to the Light Force and Windows labels respond better to the Dark Force Luke Lyn.

Can you take an IR snapshot of that region?

As you mentioned, "Clarity of the print is not important".

It's the ghost of Bill Gates.

As X-rays are emitted from tape as it is pulled off the roll. It may be that the X-rays were trapped beneath the labels and caused the adhesive to mutate into tiny flagellates.

I have a friend who will tell you "It's them Russians I tell ya! A Communist plot."

I have a Russian acquaintance (Pottsylvanian in reality, but he has a Russian accent) who will tell you "This is fault of Moose and Squirrel."

So, don't ask either of them.

Every time they do virus scan, Rooshun virus hide under label. HAHAHA! _{I keel me!}

Obviously the adhesive is at fault. The viscosity was within the range but the tack of the adhesion was low. Or is it the adhesion of the tack was high? Ya can't trust those solvent based glues with all their VOC's, but you can certainly get a good high from those VOC's.

Good Luck, Old Salt

Maybe those labels become self-aware.

And now they're showing their latest discovery of the fine art and great pastime of .... square dancing.

Bingo! That's it.

Unconscious resting/sliding of the hand there when using the cursor keys.

So, despite the claim that the user 'never [knowingly] rests his hand there,' he rests his hand there. A simple PEBKAC scenario. (Problem Exists Between Keyboard And Chair)

Nope. Just did an experiment. Never get close to them with any part of my body.

0V power supply. I'm building one, using a glass full of dead batteries and two straws.

If you're so sure, then you can safely poison the labels with some lethal substance and rest assured you're safe.

Of course ! I know that it's him, G.A. But he seems to want a more esoteric answer, or simply some amusement from the members' crazy answers.

it is due to sticking material the oil the rubber and oil based material have been moved slightly by every touch and the windows sticker have more oil in the sticking material ,thats why that have been moved more then the intel .

this is my guess only .

Heat...plasticizer...adhesive degradation = creep

One or more of the labels are impregnated with hormones?

Well it is the thirty year anniversary of Ghost Busters, so is the paranormal phenomena acting up again in retaliation?

plus another sequel.

"I think its best we split up."

"Ya, we can do more damage that way."

Although it isn't obvious in my fuzzy photo, there is zero adhesive residue left under the original label position of the windoze label. It has taken all the adhesive with it.

Just a tiny bit shows under the Intel label.

Go figure.

Dear lyn,according to

http://www.sfu.ca/~dthorkel/linked/groome%20n%20thorkelson,%20therm%20mod%20ridge%20subd%2009.pdf

you could take a thermal photo and look for possible thermal gradients

brgds

Snel

Thanks, Snel, but it's a Windows label, not a slab window. ;>)

If there is anyone following this, the labels are still migrating.

Notice the Windoze label is now over the line that separates the panel from the computer body.

lyn-

Please refer to #55. It is an inherent problem with label adhesives and the substrates/label surfaces. Some of the components are not very friendly with the plastic and/or the label stock. Some solutions are mentioned. The problem is more inherent with plastics than other surfaces such as metal or glass which do not have the nasty chemicals/chemical reactions that cause the reactions and slippage.

Sorry, don't have a perfect or quick repair answer but this is the reason and what can be done about it.

Good Luck, Old Salt

Yes, but...........................

My fundamental question was why are these labels moving in this particular direction, and not some other direction, without any apparent outside force acting on them.

Now, specifically, 90% of all untextured injection molded consumer product cases are painted and not, as molded plastic. It's too hard to maintain perfect color consistency from one batch of molding pellets to the next. Hard to believe? Maybe, but true. So, in most instances it would be label/PSA/paint.

However, in this case, the surface onto which the labels are applied is anodized aluminum. (Scratched it with my knife) The rest of the machine is painted or textured plastic.

Finally, all adhesive has migrated along with the labels.

For me, this will remain a mystery.

As always, thanks for your input.

The labels appear to be moving in the direction of gravity, true/no?

With the compounds used in some label adhesives they microscopically react with the other compounds within the adhesive mix. They also react with themselves, polymerization, to form other compounds which have other properties. With the polymerizations they usually have properties that make them less reactive than they were before. Similar to vinyl chloride (real bad stuff) and it's polymer Poly vinyl chloride, PVC (used sometimes for eating off or to contain food products). When these changes happen they cause the adhesive to either become more attracted to the label, the face stock, or the surface the label was previously applied to, the substrate.

In your case the adhesive was previously applied to the label (the face stock) and later the label with the adhesive on it placed on the anodized aluminum surface. Since that time the adhesive has slowly reacted and/or polymerized with itself and possibly the label stock. This caused the adhesive to have more attraction to the itself and the label. This is why the adhesive has stuck to the label and not the aluminum. With less adhesion to the aluminum the label has slowly slipped on the metal. If the opposite had happened, the adhesive reacted/polymerized with the aluminum/substrate, the adhesive would have failed with the label first and the label fall off and leave the glue on the aluminum.

In your case the label with adhesive was originally placed on the aluminum and everything was fine for a while. As time went on the adhesive slowly changed itself and had more attraction to the label and less to the aluminum. As the adhesion increased on one side of the glue "patch" it lessoned on the other. The fact that the adhesive stuck to the label and "unstuck" to the aluminum is shown by it being able to move on the aluminum. In time it will probably fall off on it's own.

In some cases these properties are intentionally incorporated in the adhesive formulation. "Stick-It" note pad sheets use an adhesive that has an affinity to the note paper and not the paper it is applied onto. With aging the adhesive used usually becomes free from the substrate and adheres more to the stick-it note sheet. They probably planned it that way so they would not destroy the items they were placed on over time (bad customer relations) The opposite are the labels with multiple perforations/cuts that are used for both price tags and/or "paid for" labels in stores. The adhesive has a very strong bond with the substrate and if anyone tries to pull it off and place a lower priced tag on the object the label comes apart to deter theft.

Don't have any easy solution to keeping the label in place without doing some destruction to the aluminum surface or a lot of trial and error which would probably destroy the label after a few tries. My personal first attempt would be to write a nasty complaint to the manufacturer and see if they will sent you a new label. This will at least delay the problem for a while. Next would be to try to remove the old adhesive from the label with a small spot of Hexane or other suitable aliphatic solvent. If that works use some solvent based contact cement, Weldwood makes several, and use it as per the instructions, on both surfaces. Solvent based contact cement, which usually uses hexane or other similar material as the solvent, will work better than the water based type.

The path of migration unfortunately is mostly due to gravity and/or any tension placed on the label/glue when it was originally applied. Run a test, rotate the device 180^o vertically and watch the label go back to it's original location. Placing it in a centrifuge might be a faster method.

The adhesive development process is not an exact science. Most water based or non harmful to humans adhesives are modifications of known formulations or attempts to reproduce competitor's products. A chemist takes a sample of another formulation, places a spot of it on the palm of his hand and checks the tack and properties as he repeatedly places his finger on the adhesive and then pulls them apart. A good "Glue Guru" can tell you what most of the components are, their concentrations, the age of the mix and possibly what brand it is. Once worked with a guy like that. Great to have as a resource! I left the development to him and the management/engineering to myself, more profitable that way!

Good Luck, Old Salt

This is just a curiosity. Not a real issue, except as that.

The label surface is horizontal. The labels are migrating toward 75° which is to the right, as pictured.

There is no obvious outside force acting on them. I never touch them.

There is no lifting of any edges and the one label has migrated under the other one without any obvious adhesive failure of the upper label.

Eventually, I'll pull them off and forget it.

Careful! If you remove the label and Bill Gates ever finds out, your poor soul will be eternal toast.

Buck Fill Gates.

Sooner or later, the label comes off.

Hire a GLUE EXORCIST or there is always the centrifuge! Good Luck, Old Salt

Somewhere in a Korean Manufacturing/Assembly plant break room a conversation is overheard

헤이 긴 둑 스와

멍청한 미국인

컴퓨터에서 낮은 품질의 중국어 라벨을 설치 당신의 당신의 다락방을 알아 내기 위해 노력하고있다

그들은 그것에 대해 큰 악취를하고 있습니다.
그들은 심지어 춤 토끼가

Best use of Google break room translator EVER!

It's The Coriolis Effect.

As it's been left unmoved for 9 years The Coriolis Effect has been moving the labels.

If you were to move your laptop to the diametrically opposed spot in the Southern Hemisphere and leave your laptop unmoved for another 9 years, The Coriolis Effecdt would return the labels to their exact original positions.

This is from Wikipedia:

In a reference frame with clockwise rotation, the deflection is to the left of the motion of the object; in one with counter-clockwise rotation, the deflection is to the right.

As you know, in the Northern Hemisphere we are spinning counter-clockwise so that's why they've deflected to the right.

Microsoft and Intel product controls. Went the labels fall off they will no longer support their product.

Uneven warming up of the note-book's substrate will cause the glue to be softer on one end of the label than the other. Then as the plastic lable also expands, however slightly, the end of the lable with the cooler glue will hold more fast forcing the expanding plastic to migrate over the softer/warmer glue on the warmer side. This effect will be minute but over time and many cycles could cause migration.

agree, see posts #18 and 40.

brgds

Snel

A serious look at this - as it has bothered me all work day. (things are a bit slow right now, can you tell this?)

The adhesive is basically a liquid between the label and the plastic case, and van der Waals once overcome will allow this label to float across the surface. So what could overcome van der Waals. Magnetic force????

Is there any way that a bit of metal is in that moving label, such as a mylar substrate? We know there is current flowing inside the case - could there be enough to create a magnetic field in the label, if indeed there is a metal substrate, strong enough to cause an attraction or repulsion to some magnetic field inside the case?

That's the only thing I could come up with other than the previously postulated heat theories, which to me require that label to be placed such that gravity works on it, and that doesn't appear to be true. Why would it migrate away from gravity?

Nyet!

Please allow me to be introducing myself. I am Boris Badanov, World Class Nogoodnik.

Be believing me, this is fault of Moose and Squirrel. They must be stopp-ed before labels all over world are begin to migrate out of control.

Some observations and responses.

Phys

Apaches, yes. We're too far south of the Navajo Nation. Pima, Maricopa and Hohakam also roamed the Valley of the Sun before the Mormons same south from Utah and did to them what they did to the Paiutes in Utah.

Seems a pretty small aggravation if it is a curse. I'd think they could conjure up a better punishment if my ancestors had offended them in any way.

Virtually all plastic cases made today are painted, inside with silver bearing (RFI) paint and outside with some (usually) black color. It's too hard to color match bare plastic parts due to lot to lot color variations. Small detail, but...............so this makes little difference to the van der Waals Tribe either.

Magnetically induced movement????????????????????????

Snel and kendall (also SITMWY2 sohail0110)

The thermal implications, coupled with the physical properties of both the plastic films and the pressure sensitive adhesives are likely the most plausible culprit. What I haven't bothered to investigate is if the difference in CTE of the different types of plastics involved are of a sufficient mismatch to cause this migration. Plastic are all bigger shrinkers and growers than metals, with very few exceptions.

phoenix911

Yuk Yuk. Good one.

wrenchtwirler

Couldn't I just turn the laptop over and get the same effect?

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Finally, it has crossed my mind to just take a razor blade and scrape the damn things off, but the fear of that act releasing some more awful inner curse has me frozen for now.

Well thanks for the entertainment.

"Seems a pretty small aggravation if it is a curse. I'd think they could conjure up a better punishment if my ancestors had offended them in any way."

Haven't you learned anything by watching the hundreds of movies out there on paranormal activity? It always starts out as a small aggravation - like a picture is crooked every morning, or a doll has moved from the chair you placed it on. Then the picture starts to fall every few minutes, or the doll seems to turn it's head, as the malevolent activity slowly escalates for the next 1-1/2 hour of the movie until the full blown forces of Hell are unleashed in the final 15 minutes. Better get out of there now.

As for the serious stuff - just a wild guess. I assumed this wasn't really a "Caption This" and thought we needed some theory that was way out there to start the real analysis flowing.

Go to your local grocery and grab some dry ice. Break off a small chunk (sugar-cube size should be plenty) and massage your labels with it until they're frosty cold. Then, using the tip of an X-Acto knife, lift each one off and either throw it away or turn it over, sticky side to the Sun, and let it warm up until it's sticky again. Then stick it back where it belongs. Little risk of gouging your computer's finish this way.

No, no, no. It's not at all what it seems.

It's not the labels that are shifting, silly, it's the computer, shifting about underneath them. Like Hawaii, just sitting there in one spot whilst the Pacific plate does all the moving. Have you opened the case and looked? For all you know it could be a magma plume, what with processors running so hot these days (although I suspect the processor is situated somewhere near the middle. How does the 'H' key feel? It's still there I hope and not encroaching on 'Y'?

"It's all relative, son. Just thank god she's not your cousin."

- A. (Arnold) Einstein

Opened the case? I have trouble opening the lid!

Pressure sensitive labels were originally intended for application on paper surfaces. With the transition to use on plastics the surfaces of the plastics are much smoother and less porous than the paper. This presents a few problems. Although many formulations have been changed they are seldom perfect. This makes wetting of the plastic with the adhesive difficult. In addition many plastics use plasticizers or stabilizers that can migrate into the adhesive layer.

Transfer failure or debonding from the facestock occurs when the adhesive has a greater affinity for the substrate (the label surface that the glue is applied to) than the facestock (the surface the label is applied to). Transfer failure is the opposite, the glue releases from the surface the label is applied onto to the plastic surface. Another problem is flagging of the label (lifting one corner or side) which leads to ultimate failure of the label adhesive. Exposure to water is another problem.

Most frequent solutions are oxidizing the plastic surface by chemical etching, corona, flame and plasma treatment. If a suitable primer can be used on the substrate that will also usually work. In some labeling processes, especially the earlier ones, label users would flame the surface with a gentle heat flame while rotation the container in front of it. This is very similar to the removal of silicone mold release from molded plastic surfaces.

Too late now to stop the label from migrating unless you do some fancy surface preparation, adhesive removal from the label, regluing the label and finally carefully sticking the label back onto the computer surface. With PVC, CPVC and ABS piping a solvent, MEK Methyl Ethyl Ketone, is used to prepare the surfaces to be glued. On an area inconspicuous to users you might try putting an appropriate size spot of MEK or PVC primer (not the purple kind) onto where you want the label to be. When the surface becomes duller wipe it clean. Then reglue the label onto the plastic.

That's what causes it and how to get it to stay in place. Technically what you have is adhesive failure (the glue stays on the label and not the surface that the label was placed on). This is with the assumption that there are no glue streaks on the plastic surface. If there are glue streaks then it was transfer failure with streaks of glue on the plastic.

An ultimate solution is to take the label off, fold it so the adhesive surface sticks to itself and trashing it. I suggest this method.

Good Luck, Old Salt

There could be a market for an "update" kit containing the most current labels, stick-on fake dvd trays and usb ports. "Intel equivalent to Einstein's brain inside"

It's your wife, or child, having fun at all our expense by moving them just a little bit when you're not around.

Is the hard drive under these labels? If so, then I vote with the magnetic people. Heat softened adhesive allows magnetic coupling to drive the labels in the direction of the disc spin. If the spin is in the opposite direction of the migration, then labels are migrating against the spin just to be contrary and annoy you. If the drive is not under the labels, then I vote for a gremlin based theory.

I killed the labels. I got tired of them ignoring all my incantations, exclamations and casting of spells to get them back in line.

I'll now probably suffer the same horrors as the family in Poltergeist did.

The faint images are still visible, even after saying several prayers and killing a chicken to appease them. (The neighbors with chickens won't like that. We don't have any chickens )

Our house is probably built over the resting place of some Apache warrior who was killed by a white man.

My last thought is that it, somehow had to do with inertia, but the orientation relative to the rotation of the Earth makes this seem unlikely. The labels seemed to be moving in a 157° SE direction, while the house is aligned to 35° NE.

The house seems to be stationary at this location relative to the foundation, although some settling of the foundation and slab is noted. Perhaps where the old Native American was interred.

This closes the thread, and the errant labels are headed for the dump.

Thanks to all for your,.................................. whatever it was that you did.