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How Can I Clean My Windshield so I Can Actually See in the Rain?

01/25/2015 1:46 AM

I have used Windex, vinegar, Baking soda / water mix, Alcohol, all kinds of different wiper blades etc., but there always seems to be some kind of residue left which makes it hard to see in the rain.

Can anyone recommend what to do or if there are any products out there that actually work? (Besides getting a new windshield)

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01/26/2015 12:20 AM

Use of most any type polish will make it worse. The polish causes the water to form beads of water on the windshield. These beads make the windshield harder to see through since they start to form as soon as the wiper has passed that part of the windshield. This is caused by the refraction of the various thicknesses of water that you are looking through of the bead. Beads are good on the body but not on the windshield.

Not using any polish allows the water to form a seamless smooth cover of water with no variations in the thickness. To illustrate this, polish the outside of one of two identical drinking glasses. Run cold water over both, just like rain, and look through both of them. The polished glass will be harder to see through than the unpolished glass.

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01/26/2015 12:13 PM

Haven't seen that for years, we used it on the laser printer glass drums.

Thanks for the reminder!!!

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09/27/2016 10:49 AM

A scratch free soft scrub pad used with vinegar works good for me followed by an application of Rainex.

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09/27/2016 4:44 PM

A raw potato rubbed on the glass also works. So does spitting on it and spreading it around.

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09/28/2016 7:08 AM

Fine steel wool is another good one.

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01/25/2015 2:46 AM

Use your cleaning agents on the rubber windscreen wiper, not the wind screen itself? sorry I just noticed that you remarked on that.

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01/25/2015 8:44 AM

Perhaps the glass is micro-pitted or etched?

You might want to stop in a glass replacement shop and have them look at the windshield.

We have a problem here where a film builds up on the windshields, probably due to salt spray from the ocean. Glass cleaners never seem to quite cut it and the only thing that removes it well is washing with a car wash detergent. The film will usually return in a few days depending on the weather.

As Solar Eagle suggested, a glass polishing agent may be the right thing, but I would check with a glass shop first before committing to polishing.

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01/25/2015 8:54 AM

How many miles on this vehicle? After 2-300K windshields can get pitted and need to be replaced. I've had this happen on several different vehicles!

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01/25/2015 12:36 PM

...sorry, but a old pitted windshield will likely NOT "buff out."

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01/25/2015 12:41 PM

Check your state laws and insurance company.

In Florida if your windshield gets optically obscured (it doesn't have to be broken) you can have it replaced by the insurance company at no or little cost for you.

A new window is the best solution, particularly if it is covered for free.

Then don't forget to keep new wiper blades on the car and clean the windows and blades regularly.

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01/25/2015 12:58 PM

If it's really a residue and not pits or scratches, the best things to use is the finest grade steel wool, "0000", soaked with a solution of water, isopropyl alcohol, and dawn liquid dishwashing detergent - roughly mixed at 10 parts water to 3 parts isopropyl and 1 part dishwashing detergent. Lightly rub the windshield with the steel wool, letting the solution do most of the work of removing the oily road film and sticky grit. As you scrub the windshield you should be able to feel the grit being rubbed off, but don't rub too hard; take your time.

Start with a small area at the edge of the windshield. Clean it with the steel wool and the solution, then rinse it off with a hose to see how well it's working. If you're happy with the improvement, keep going, working small areas at a time.

Rinse the windshield thoroughly when you're done, and rinse all the solution off your car, too. Replace your wiper blades. Flush out your windshield washer fluid reservoir and refill it with a good grade of washer fluid. Then run your wipers and run your windshield washer pump for a while to cycle the new fluid through the lines. Rinse it off with a hose one last time.

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01/25/2015 10:24 PM

There are a number of rain repellents that I use and I really like them. Products like rainX, Rain-away, are a couple. Clean the glass good with top quality cleaner then apply the product according to instructions. I have found several applications work well and last longer. Only issues are a very light foggy drizzle may require wipers but the harder it rains and the faster you go the results should be pleasing. I have found a good application will last up to 4 weeks 3 for sure.

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01/26/2015 7:38 AM

RainX makes a washer fluid that I use. Works well to bead the rain. At highway speeds hardly ever use the wipers. The beads of water just get blown up and over the roof.

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01/26/2015 8:12 AM

I use the washer fluid with the windshield product and results are most satisfying. In Canada the application of the windshield product also helps in ice removal.

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01/26/2015 9:22 AM

When I was driving my first car, a second-third-hand Cutlass Sierra, I had a bad case of what I would call 'waterfalling' on the windscreen, In moderate to heavy rains, looking through the windscreen, even with the wipers on full, was like looking through a 'privacy glass block.' things were so wavy I could not make out shapes, and the back of a white truck would blend in with the overhead clouds. On rainy nights all I could see were the colors and intensity of the taillights.

I got into the habit of using the Rain-X washer fluid additive (I was constantly running around on errands and such, did not have time for the clean, wait-to-dry, apply, buff procedure of 'standard' Rain-X, besides, I did not have a garage to let the windscreen dry and be free of falling debris or bird splat) every three months, and that cleared up the problem. The coating made the window so 'slick' the water would bead into 'droplets,' rolling off the window before they even got to full-size drops. The waterfall was gone for good. (or for about three months, but you get the idea.)

The only real drawback was that the 'unwiped' residue would form a witish haze, making it look like the ONLY time I cleaned my windscreen was when i ran the wipers. That haze took a lot of effort to remove, and because it was 'microtextured,' it would 'hold onto' the water, but it was outside the viewing area I needed for driving, so I tolerated it.

Once I shifted to Jeeps, the problem became moot. You don't get water clinging to a near-vertical sheet of glass.

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01/25/2015 10:56 PM

Are you sure the problem is on the outside and not on the inside? The out-gassing from plastic dash boards causes a haze on the inside of windshields. The sun beating in just intensives the effects. It's a real bitch to remove too. I've found alcohol and vinegar works the best followed up with a good ammonia wash. It may take a couple good cleanings to remove the haze.

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01/26/2015 11:27 AM

I agree with dj95401 that the problem may be inside the car or it may be inside the windshield. On my older cars (10+ years) it seems the polyvinyl butyral layer inside the safety glass begins to lose adhesion and creates light dispersion at night. This looks similar to fogging but doesn't clean.

The other issue is vaporization of the plasticizers of the dash board and interior materials. This is likely phthalate compounds.

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01/26/2015 12:00 PM

I agree with trying ammonia, both inside and outside. If you had an old application of RainX, it will become foggy. Also, if anyone smokes in the car, you will need to clean the inside frequently.

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01/26/2015 2:35 AM

Adhesion of dirt on the wind shield is the problem, Detergent is supposed to remove dirt and so I wash windshield with detergent- but we are in India- where rain is a a very seasonal phenomena. I had also suggested long ago- putting a second wiper inside the car- which is magnetically coupled to external wiper - so that it keeps wiping internal surface and prevents fog deposition.

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01/26/2015 8:57 AM

if you use a drive thru car washes and they apply wax this could be you problem. i clean mine with prepsol.

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01/26/2015 9:24 AM

My old posting at http://cr4.globalspec.com/thread/98718#comment1062958 might have a few more suggestions. My main question was about windshield washer fluid anti freeze but Rain-X and clean windshields became part of the thread.

The #3 posting by AH helps to make a few pieces of the puzzle fit for me. As I recall I loved Rain-X in Ohio at all times except when we had freezing slush in the spring. I would have film problems during freezing slush. The rest of the time if I was driving at highway speeds I would normally see MUCH better with the windshield wiper blades turned off.

I now drive a total of about 40 minutes along the ocean every day. I start my day driving about 3-4 minutes east into the rising sun. I now hate Rain-X products because in that 3-4 minutes I have such a terrible haze problem that even with a bottle of Windex in the car I sometimes have to wait a few minutes until the engine is warm enough to blow hot air out the defroster. With a morning Windex cleaning and fresh new wiper blades turning I still can't see out my windshield. The Florida film from posting #3 is probably my problem.

You might want to give Rain-X a try. You might love it. You might hate it. I suspect that you will not have a neutral opinion.

The wipe on, let it dry, wipe off Rain-X might produce more dramatic results than the Rain-X washer fluid. That's just my guess.

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01/26/2015 9:55 AM

Try this

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01/26/2015 10:53 AM

What ever happened to pouring a soda pop over the windshield. When I was younger and working in a gas station pumping gas and cleaning windshields I would see people come in (while raining) and buy a bottled soft drink, open it and pour it across the glass, they always claimed that it would cut through the film and buildup better than anything else.

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01/26/2015 11:27 AM

Funny you mention soda pop, that's about the only thing that will remove rainx. I tried rainx once, didn't like it and Coke® was the only that would cut it.

And don't use rainx on plastic either.

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01/26/2015 11:27 AM

i did that for years and it worked but i am not sure pop is the same these days. i think there was some kind of mild acid in the pop back then

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01/26/2015 11:36 AM

RainX RAinX will do it !!!! available at Auto supply

Clean glass let dry apply RainX let dry It'll then look foggy

Apply another applicartion

Then with a clean cloth wipe lightly to just clear up fog

Worka like a charm

Driving in the rain the water beads up and and flows upward and off the top.

When the car is stationary you'll notice no difference till your speed

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01/26/2015 12:33 PM

I'm trying to recall info from decades ago and my memory is not that efficient anymore, but I remember that GM engineers researched this topic and concluded that the problem was caused by microorganisms that live in the micro-abrasions in the glass. They produce waste products that are not water soluble and produce a smearing effect when wipers are turned on in the rain. GM used to sell a spray window cleaner that was formulated to zap the offending bugs and dissolve their waste products. Can't recall the name of the cleaner but it was about $4.00 a can at the GM dealer about 20+ years ago. Don't know if they still make it.

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01/26/2015 5:49 PM

But Officer, it's not my fault that I couldn't see while driving into the rising sun. Graycav told me that the glare on my windshield is caused by micro poo smeared on my windshield.

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01/26/2015 10:35 PM

And your point is?

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01/26/2015 1:30 PM

I also was going to mention checking the inside, but that film bothers me most at night with oncoming headlights. Apparently from out-gassing of the plastics; a smoker makes it much worse. Also tough to get off and awkward arm angles.

Also have had good luck with RainX washer fluid in NE Ohio. With the angle of my windshield, I need to get above 40 mph for the water to fly off. It also helps to live east of where you work so you're driving away from the sun morning and evening.

No one has mentioned rubbing a raw potato across the windshield. I haven't used that for a long time though. It's much simpler to spit on the windshield, spray it around pretty good, then rub the saliva around. Then use the wipers or a squeegee.

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01/26/2015 9:40 PM

Use General Motors part # 105001

This product is available commercially as Bon Ami Polishing Compound.

Apply by hand with a damp terry cloth to a cool dry windshield, use a circular motion, allow to dry, remove with a clean dry terry cloth towel. Several applications may be required to remove heavy wax or contaminant buildup.

When surface is clean, water will " sheet " off glass surface.

Polish should not be confused with wax, wax is placed upon a surface for protection of a finish and will cause water to " bead " on that surface. A wax based polish ( such as jewelers rouge) is place's upon an unwaxed surface to increase the brilliance of the finish and a dry polish compound will remove wax from a waxed surface.

Also, be sure to clean the wipers with an alcohol based windshield cleaner, like GM Opti-Clean using a 50% solution of distilled water.

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01/27/2015 9:04 AM

I had an identical problem with my brand new car after I let them talk me into the windshield protective coating that is supposed to stop the pitting of the glass from road grit. When it rained, the wipers would leave a smeary film as they went across which would clear up by the time the blade finished the cycle only to reappear on the very next pass. This was very hard to see through when the wipers were on constant and not delay mode. I had them remove it. They had to contact the manufacture to find out what to use because they couldn't get it off at first. I don't know what the product wasthey used to remove it but I think they said it was some sort of solvent that removed the protective coating. Perhaps this is what you have on your windshield. I don't have that problem any more.

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01/27/2015 10:05 AM

I've noticed the same smear following the wiper, but I attributed it to a slight film of moisture which evaporated rapidly, but was formed anew at the next wiper stroke. I turned the wipers off several times when there was only a light rain.

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My nephew, who has a degree in compressed physics, explained it to me in the best laymen's terms he could muster. I believe he said when a windshield is pitted, the pits are generally conical in shape and looking through a vertical pane of glass the light rays move in more or less a straight line and the visual spectrum is narrow so there is less distortion, whereas a windshield with a greater slope, the spectral band is wider and the diffusion of the light rays creates more distortion.

As for the smearing of water on a clean windshield, the drag of the leading edge of the wiper picks up a small amount of water contained in a pit, this water combined with dust acts like an abrasive that causes the pit to become elongated in the direction of the rotational direction of the wipers travel, since the water is a minimal amount, it " evaporates " before the wiper makes a return pass.

I am not a physicist, as he, but I can visualize this occurance.

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01/30/2015 3:13 AM

I believe that the Bon-Ami product is an abrasive product, like scouring powder. RainX may, or may not work, but first the windshield must be clean. I have been using a product on some older vehicles I have that is called Duragloss 755, Nu-Glass. It is in a small 8 oz. bottle. I purchase it from a NAPA store, but it is available in many auto parts stores. The UPC number is 091777007552. It claims to remove water spots, tree sap, bugs and road film. I have been very pleased with the stuff.

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I would not use Bon Ami on anything plastic, but on glass, it is even used on laboratory glassware with nil or few negative effects, such as scratches.

For Plexiglas windshields on motorcycles, a white cotton tee shirt, vinegar, and a lot of elbow grease is sufficient to polish out minor haze, clean the plastic and polish it to maximum clarity.

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01/30/2015 10:01 AM

According to both Wikipedia and Bon-Ami's website the main ingredients in their product are tallow and feldspar. They have been selling their product for over 100 years as a cleanser, not a scouring powder. I would imagine that somewhere in that time if their product was indeed a " Scouring " powder rather than a cleanser, somebody in some govt. agency would of claimed false advertising. During the last 100 years an untold number of glass surfaces have been cleaned with this product.

In order to be unbiased, maybe we could get an engineer or chemist with from the Bon-Ami company to comment on their product.

Its difficult to believe that ( at that time when it first came out) the worlds biggest automobile company would offer a product to be used to clean windshields without first doing extensive testing to determine if they would be replacing millions of pieces of automobile glass because it scratched the glass. The container I have, I purchased 25 years ago and this cleanser is still being used.

It sounds like your interpretation of scouring powder is like rubbing glass with sandpaper.

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01/30/2015 8:42 PM

Does Bon-Ami still use the slogan "hasn't scratched yet?"

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01/31/2015 1:46 AM

And the difference between cleanser and scouring powder is what? If the main ingredients are softer than the glass, no harm. There is no chance that the remainder of the ingredients can harm the glass is there?

Was that the same large auto manufacturer that felt that it was the customer's fault if their ignition switches turned off from large key rings?

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01/31/2015 10:44 AM

The difference between scouring powder and cleanser is that scouring powder uses a mixture of quartz,feldspar and tallow and bon-ami cleanser uses only feldspar and tallow.

Yes, General motors " felt" that heavy keyrings caused ignition switch failures, although Toyota floor mats, Ford gas tanks and NASA command module issues could be considered " off topic ".

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02/03/2015 12:54 AM

Now that we all know that Bon-Ami is only feldspar and tallow, we can be confident that it is safe for windshields. But, as new information becomes available, we must reevaluate older truths we held. I can remember when Freon 12 was so safe, an executive was inhaling it in a demonstration. History has shown that what once was good, has now become bad. Hexachlorophene, Triclorethelyne , come to mind.

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02/07/2015 2:25 AM

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Rainex

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03/02/2015 11:40 PM

Try using Piaa wiper blades. I use them on many of my cars and they do an exceptional job keeping the windshield clear. They also last a long time.

The other thing to check is the spring which holds the wiper arm down. After years, it could be weak = streaky windshield wiper swipes.

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03/03/2015 4:27 AM

Try cleaning the screen with denatured alcohol, scrubbing with a soft sponge.

Also, high quality washing up liquid has helped me, I even use it in the water as well....

I also use the alcohol for the cold months to prevent freezing, though the jets may still freeze as the alcohol is removed by air movement.

Electrically heated "jets" can be bought and used to replace the originals....that is my best tip in this area....I got mine from Finland, I haven't seen them here (haven't looked either!)

Also, I have heard of people replacing part of the water "supply" tubing with a metal tube and clamping it to the top hose, to supply hot water....Never tried it myself. Sounds fiddly.....no thanks.

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03/04/2015 12:53 AM

Those heated washer jets sound like just the thing I need here in the Fort Lauderdale Florida area. I wonder why I have not seen them. (1 AM, and 79 degrees) Here comes the hate mail now.

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03/04/2015 1:40 PM

LOL!!!

Don't you ever drive north?

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03/05/2015 1:53 AM

North is a relative thing, like hot and cold. Last week I drove to Orlando, Florida. (200 miles) I thought I would freeze to death. And the air in the hotel room got so stale without the air conditioner on. It was so cold, I had to wear long pants.

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03/10/2015 4:23 PM

"North is a relative thing,"

Um, no, North is the direction towards the Geographic or Magnetic North Pole, or the direction towards Polaris, 'the North Star.' It's also what we define as 'up' in the Solar system (well, it's the right angle off the orbital plane that contains the North Pole, but it's still unambiguous).

Now what *IS* relative is the definition of the 'too-hot lands' and the 'too-cold' lands, since everyone has their own preference for comfortable temperature range. Generally, in a given geographic area, most of the people agree on the same rough range.

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03/12/2015 12:50 AM

"North is a relative thing,"

North as a direction is not a relative thing.

North as a location is relative. If I go "up North", New York would be far. Orlando would be North also, but not so far. And North Lauderdale would still be North, but I can walk there. North beyond New York, would require a damn good reason, and I am relatively sure it will not be in the winter. Thanks for correcting me.

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09/28/2016 7:06 AM

When you're talking about our freeway system, "north" is relative.

Take a look at the 101 freeway as you drive through the San Fernando Valley and all the way "north" to Point Conception. Freeway sign at the 170/101 split in the Valley. https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4038/5138053671_4360ae7c82_z.jpg

Map showing 101 (North?).http://highway101traffic.com/images/highway-101-la-ventura-traffic-map.gif

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09/28/2016 9:04 AM

The Interstates do get flexible with their definition of 'north' because of the design and layout of the system:

  • Even-numbered Interstates run across the country in east-west lines.
  • Odd-numbered Interstates run across the country in north-south lines.
  • Interstates are given 1-2 digit numbers only (Ex: I-55, I-94), a 3 digit number indicates a 'branch' route (Ex: I-190).
    • An even leading number on a branch (Ex: I-294) indicates a Bypass, the branch will reconnect with the original route at the other end.
    • An odd leading number (Ex: I-190) indicates a Spur, this branch does not reconnect to the original route at the other end, and is either a bridge between two different highways, or provides access to a 'feature' on the map, such as an airport, national park, or a large city that does not have an Interstate running through/near it.

Given those rules, I can easily say that to drive from my house, on the North Side of Chicago, to the house where my grandmother lived, in the near southwest suburbs, meant that I had to take the ramp for East I-90, go South on East I-90 until it merged with I-94, take East I-90/94 South through downtown until I could get to the ramp for South I-55, Then go West on South I-55 until I got to the exit ramp that lead to the area where my grandmother lived.

The interstate numbering looks only at the 'broad strokes,' and ignores details just as 'twisting' the route to get around a large traffic barrier (Lake Michigan) and connect with a major city. (I-90 & I-94 both continue west after traveling north through the city, and Chicago is the terminal point for I-55, which turns East to link up with I-90/94.)

The I-190 Spur is an interesting example, since its intent is to link I-90 with O'Hare International Airport (since those are the endpoints of the spur), however, it also crosses the I-294 Bypass and has ramps linking the two route, do it fulfills both uses for a spur at the same time, despite being a rather short spur to begin with.

(As a kid, I used the 'going west on south I-55' monologue as a quick patter routine to confound and impress classmates, especially if they had not learned the 'rules' of Interstate numbering yet.)

(Marking as OT for the rambling 'Cosby rant') (Can we still use that term even though the person is no longer the beloved icon he used to be?

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10/08/2016 5:28 PM

Hmmm. Why does the I94 and I294 head north/south? Odd freeways are n-s and even are e-w.

I know the answer - I'm just giving you a hard time!

Back in the early 90's, I wrote a paper on the National Interstate and Defense Highways Act of 1956. It was for my MBA.

Back then, the government did something that was good for the people. Nowdays ...

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10/10/2016 9:20 AM

Nowadays we need to be pushing Congress to plan and fund the next Great Works project.

But what should it be?

  • We've already put hydroelectric dams across every river large enough to support one.
  • We've already built an Interstate highway System to connect the country coast to coast.
  • We've built a National Power Grid, that works well enough on good days, and has cascade failures when things go pear-shaped...

That's it! We need to push for a Smart Grid that can move power more efficiently, can react quickly enough to prevent a failure in one part of the grid from pulling down a neighboring part, and can possibly even 'self heal' from minor disruptions.

Either that, or we can build the National Internet Backbone(1) and provide fiber-to-the-home service to all Americans without having to deal with the conflicts of interest that Comcast, Verizon, and AT&T have as both service providers and content providers.

That's how we've gotten out of Great Depressions/Resessions before, we built something HUGE on the government dime, which meant taxing the 'hoarders' at the top(2) to cover the costs.

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  1. We could also call it the Neutral Internet Backbone, since it would be completely Net-Neutral; having no financial connections to content providers, it would treat all content equally, no 'fast lane' or 'slow lane' like the current 'Backbone Guardians' want(3).
  2. Nothing 'noble' or 'liberal' about it. The poor simply don't have any money for the government to take, so they HAVE to tax the rich to fund the national recovery. It's not like the old days when the rich used their money to fund 'great works' projects of their own, like Carnegie and the public libraries he built all over the country.
  3. I wouldn't mind as much if the Guardians would just admit the conflict of interest in owning the Service that delivers the content as well as Content providers. If they split off the Service Provider portion from the Content Provider portion, making the content providers compete fairly with the other content providers on the internet, and having the service providers be neutral in their handling of content, then I wouldn't have as many complaints.
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How about a huge water system that would take fresh water from areas that don't need it and deliver it to the southwest, where it's needed. Maybe a huge pipeline? They do it for oil, so why not water? And we could sell the water to cities or farmers, then use the funds to create more pipelines or to pay down our national debt.

Another would be to build large solar plants on unused land. The income from the sale of electricity would offset the cost of operation and the net positive could be used to pay down our debt or build more solar plants. Imagine if it got so big that we no longer used fossil fuel to generate electricity! Huge plus for our economy and the environment - not to mention having more fossil fuels for things we need it for.

How to pay for this? I say we slightly increase taxes on everyone, with the to 10% getting a slightly higher increase and the top 1% getting an even larger increase. It would have to be sold it to the public as a short term tax increase with a sunset and the funds could only be used for the project. We could ask corporate executives volunteer to do the planning. Then have companies bid on the project, with no preferential treatment for select groups of people (women business owners, minorities, etc). Simply based on competence, price and past work history.

I know quite a few people who pay very little in income taxes, due to loopholes in the tax system. Is it fair? Probably not, but tax laws were written to protect the wealthy. My significant other and I had a discussion about the top 1% paying so little in taxes. I explained it to her like this: If our income taxes are $30K this year, but I decided to be patriotic and I didn't use some deductions, so our taxes went to $60K, would you be okay with it?

You know what her answer was!

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"You know what her answer was!"

Yes, but I've read journals and posts from the rich-but-not-uber-rich, and they think differently. Because their money comes mainly from investments, if the balance sheet is 10% off from projected values, they call it good enough, if it's only 5% off, they're ecstatic! They don't CARE about a 2% increase in their income taxes, because that gets lost withing the statistical 'noise' of all the other factors affecting their income. They literally cannot SEE the effect taxes has on their income, due to the high volatility of their finances.

Or to scale it down to what we can understand; income taxes on the rich are like a take-a-peny leave-a-peny tray at a car dealership.

It's only the uber-wealthy that care about cutting their own taxes, more out of greed and miserliness than any sense of fiscal responsibility. To them it's all about power, and money is what they use to keep score. They see the world as a giant Monopoly game, and they join in on the tagline "I wanna own it all."

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Unfortunately, I don't rub shoulders with the Uber rich. I do business with some very wealthy people (lots of 10% ers and a few 1% ers). A lot of times, the conversation turns to taxes. We feel that much or the money we pay in taxes is wasted. If the government used it more responsibly and there was less fraud, then I don't think we'd be so upset.

Case in point; I was speaking to my business partner and we calculated the amount of taxes we pay. Including all taxes (sales tax, income tax, DMV fees, property taxes, fire taxes, gas taxes, utility taxes, county business taxes, city business taxes, etc), we figured that each of us pays between 65-75% of our gross income in taxes every year. And that's with some pretty good business deductions.

There's something wrong with the picture.

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10/18/2016 8:48 AM

"Case in point; I was speaking to my business partner and we calculated the amount of taxes we pay. Including all taxes (sales tax, income tax, DMV fees, property taxes, fire taxes, gas taxes, utility taxes, county business taxes, city business taxes, etc), we figured that each of us pays between 65-75% of our gross income in taxes every year. And that's with some pretty good business deductions."

First off, some of those things you mention aren't really 'taxes,' gas and utility bills are charging you for the gas and electricity used. Secondly, 75% of the gross income going to taxes, and the company still makes a profit? That's an amazingly successful company.

My biggest complaint about taxes is that it's hard to tell where the money goes. if we had an itemized bill, "Property tax disbursement: 25% to local school district, 10% to 'aid the less fortunate school districts in county' fund, 15% to local FD HQ, 5% to County FD HQ, 10% to local PD HQ, 5% to County Sheriff HQ, 5% to County Board salaries, 5% to County Pension Fund, 20% to graft/corruption" then we could see what our taxes are paying for, but the money just goes unto a 'slush fund' where it's hard to tell what is being spent where, or even who has been 'dipping into the till' to steal $20s.

Illinois is putting a referendum on the ballot this year about a proposed bill that will limit the use of 'transportation taxes,' (gasoline taxes, vehicle taxes, road taxes) to only transportation-related expenses, (road maintenance, highway planning, bridge repair). The radio ads are describing it to the masses as 'improving the roads without raising taxes,' since that is a version they can understand (the bill does not raise taxes, it only locks taxes from one 'silo' into being spent only on things related to that 'silo,' and prevents those taxes from getting slushed into the General Fund).

In conclusion, increased transparency in accounting for the taxes collected and spent would probably alleviate a lot of concerns people have, as we could see where there is 'waste' that can be eliminated by referendum.

I would also like to state that I have no problem with part of my property taxes going to fund the public school in my district, even though I don't have any kids in that school (I have no kids, period). That falls under 'Promoting the General Welfare' as mentioned in the Preamble of the United States Constitution.

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Our utility bills have the cost of the item (gas, phone, electricity) and a separate tax - I'm looking at my Uverse bill as I write this.

75% of our gross income (not gross sales). If you speak to successful business owners (those who turn a profit), they'll tell you that they pay 60-75% of their gross income in taxes. Heck, right off the top, we don't pay 7.65% for SS and Medicare. We pay the employer and employee part, which is 15.30%. Granted, it's only for $118,500, but still, that's $18,130.50. State income tax is around 10%. Federal income tax is 35% to 39.6% depending on income. Then there's the AMT! 35% + 10% + 15.3% = 60.3%. Though it's not linear, but add in all the other taxes and it's pretty easy to get to 65%. DMV fees, sales tax, fire tax, utility tax, property tax, payroll tax, gas tax, etc.

Remember that I sit on the Town Council and I work with the county on projects in our area. I see what they spend and how the attitude of "cost is no matter" runs rampant.

Another example: The new fire station they are nearly done building is 2,000 sq feet. You could build a pretty nice house (not including the cost of the land) for $450,000 ($225/sq ft). You could build a high end custom for $800,000 ($400/sq ft). How about $10M? That's what they will wind up paying for the new fire station.

Or our new high school, which is estimated to be over $175M. They spent $13M just for grading! If this were a commercial entity, it wouldn't be close to this much.

If you have a chance, run for your local town council or city hall. You'll be shocked at how much money is wasted - it's our tax money!

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"How about $10M? That's what they will wind up paying for the new fire station."

Is that just for the building, or the equipment too?

I also suspect there is more work done on the garage foundation for the station than was done on the one behind my house. I don't park a several ton truck on my little concrete pad. That garage foundation is also bigger than my house's garage, it's probably bigger than my HOUSE'S foundation, and needs to survive for, what, 30-50 years of heavy abuse with minimal maintenance. You don't want the firemen too busy with the building maintenance to go out and put out fires, and as any homeowner knows, a 'pretty nice house' requires almost constant work to remain 'pretty nice.' Home construction and Commercial/Industrial construction are two different animals.

Let's look apples to apples here, what would a 2,000 sq ft truck maintenance shop cost to build?

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You don't work with government officials, so you don't get it.

Ask a contractor what quality house you could build for $400/sq ft. I have friends who live in houses of this quality and it's nothing like the tract houses most people live in.

The concrete for the driveway and garage are maybe 8 or 9 inches deep? Stronger concrete mix? Fine, then triple/quadruple the cost of the concrete - $10,000. (normal cost is $2-3K for a house).

If a 2,000 sq foot truck maintenance shop would cost $10M to build, then rent would be $50,000/mo based on a 6% ROI. A 2,000 sq ft truck maintenance shop may cost $4,000-5,000/mo rent. We're off by a factor of 10 here - commercially unfeasible.

Today, we received a report regarding our local lake. They received $1M from the county to repair broken park benches, bathroom facilities (a half dozen 2 stall bathrooms) and patio covers. $100K, I can see, but $1M!

Government buyers are not efficient. Great for businesses to sell to, since the profits are much stronger than regular business.

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"Government buyers are not efficient. Great for businesses to sell to, since the profits are much stronger than regular business."

Looks like a case where more government transparency would help. If the City Council provided the itemized bid for public review before accepting, which would include the name of the company submitting the bid (Corporations are not people, and as such they have no 'right to privacy,' especially when they are taking Public money for a Public Works project), then the company would need to balance the expected profit from 'gouging the government,' with the potential loss of future sales to outraged citizens who may refuse to do business with them, and who may demand that the City Council not use that company again.

On the other hand, there are times when local governments receive funding from higher levels, based on previous disbursements from that higher-level fund, and if the local government does not use its full allocation in the fiscal year, then the disbursement for the next year is reduced to match what was used in the previous year. That "Use it or lose it" scenario creates a perverse incentive to 'waste' the money so there is nothing to give back. Under that set of rules, overpaying for park benches this year insures that the funding will not drop next year, when the Field House is scheduled to have its roof replaced.

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That's not the case here. There is no City Council involvement. The lake is the county's responsibility and they are the ones who grant the contract. We have no say in the matter.

Here's another one. Tonight we heard that the county approved a 1 mile jogging path for our local park. The cost = $143K! Yes, you heard that right. Only two of us on the Council thought it was excessive - the others were pleased that we are getting a jogging path.

When I got home, I checked the internet and sure enough, a 1 mile jogging path should cost about $20K.

If you have been involved with city/county/state/federal government, you know how bad things really are. And unlike the federal government, our county does not operate on "use or lose". I know the military not only has "use or lose", but if they don't spend the money, it goes back to the Treasury - imagine telling your sponsor that you didn't spend the money you asked for. Your sponsor sees it as money that could've been used for another project, but due to your incompetence, it was sent back to the Treasury. This is not made up - it's 100% true. That's the reason why the federal government spends everything they're allocated. State is different and County is much different. Ditto for Cities.

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11/17/2016 8:23 AM

So we'd be talking about transparency at the County Board, not City Council, but the rest of my argument still applies. Same song and dance, just played in a different key.

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11/23/2016 3:53 AM

If you believe you can outsmart the system, forget it! They have multiple bids for the project. Use your imagination to see who the other bidders are. And why outsiders are never granted a contract. Or why the same contractors win all the contracts.

An even playing field doesn't exist. Maybe someday in the future, but not now.

What's one of the most important things that a government official can do? Be invited to the table.

What's the best way to guarantee you won't be invited to the table? Stir the pot.

So you play the game, so you can be invited to the table. That way you'll be able to speak for you community. Or you can buck the system and you'll be invited to sit at the "outsiders" table and you'll never know how the important decisions are made.

These are the facts of working with government officials.

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11/23/2016 8:32 AM

"So you play the game, so you can be invited to the table. That way you'll be able to speak for you community. Or you can buck the system and you'll be invited to sit at the "outsiders" table and you'll never know how the important decisions are made.

These are the facts of working with government officials."

And yet this country elected a pot-stirring, system-bucking outsider as president, an outsider who lost the popular vote by about 2.1 million votes (at the time of this writing, summary provided by Wikipedia).

Things are changing, it might be time to listen to Bernie Sanders and his OurRevolution movement: Establishment is at an all time low in popularity, time for the Common Man and Woman to run for office, starting with the lower elected offices, like City Council and County Board, the offices that actually do (or are supposed to do) things to benefit the local communities.

We start there, get in, and then fix the system from inside, them move up to higher levels. It's not going to be fast, heck, it'll probably be a multi-generational repair job, but then we've spent generations breaking it slowly.

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11/25/2016 11:25 PM

You may think it's easy, but it's not. The people in power are not going to give in that easily.

If you're up for the challenge, run for your city council, school board or civic association. I've done them all and I'm happy to say that I've been a great help to my community. I've served a total of 14 years (add all the boards I've been on). I've helped make some positive changes and I've helped stop things that would've been bad for our community. I've learned a lot about working with other board members and it's not as easy as you'd think. There are some very smart people on these boards. There are even smarter people as you move up the food chain.

If you haven't walked in my shoes, how can you be critical or give advice on the subject? Unfortunately, you're put in the same box as the others in my community who talk about change, but aren't willing to put some skin in the game.

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11/25/2016 11:31 PM

It may be time to take this conversation to the "breakroom"?

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10/11/2016 9:24 AM

"How about a huge water system that would take fresh water from areas that don't need it and deliver it to the southwest, where it's needed. Maybe a huge pipeline? They do it for oil, so why not water? And we could sell the water to cities or farmers, then use the funds to create more pipelines or to pay down our national debt."

California's been talking for years about sucking the Great Lakes dry to offset their drought (which has been going on for so long, that word doesn't seem to fit anymore, it's better described as a regional climate shift due to overtaxing and depleting the local water table and fossil aquifers). They say they only want Lake Michigan water, but the lakes are connected, take from one, and it affects all. They would destroy the ecosystem of the Northern Midwest and the Mississippi Floodplain and Delta, and the water would be squandered; taken by the almond orchards that are still operating without water rationing, and taken by Nestle to bottle and ship out as overpriced Arrowhead.

It's because of frequent 'requests' like that one that the Great Lakes Charter was signed in 1985, and expanded into the Great Lakes-Saint Lawrence River Basin Sustainable Water Resources Agreement in 2005.

"Another would be to build large solar plants on unused land. The income from the sale of electricity would offset the cost of operation and the net positive could be used to pay down our debt or build more solar plants. Imagine if it got so big that we no longer used fossil fuel to generate electricity! Huge plus for our economy and the environment - not to mention having more fossil fuels for things we need it for."

This ... this is a good idea, I like where you're going with it. I was going to mention something similar, but I felt I was at the limit of examples and was at the point where more ideas would be taken as rambling.

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10/17/2016 2:31 AM

I don't think our drought is due to anything we've done to the water table.

The reason for our drought is the lack of snow in the Sierra's. We use snow melt from the Sierra's as a huge source for the state. When there's no snowpack in the mountains, the reservoirs will not fill, therefore we continue to draw down.

Last year was a good year and there was plenty of snow in the Sierra's. Down here in So Cal, we didn't get a lot of rain. They said it was an el Nino year, but it was an average year of rainfall.

Draining the Great Lakes doesn't seem possible, because we can't use that much water. Shasta Lake (one of our reservoirs) is 5.6 km3 of water. Lake Michigan is 4,900 km3 of water. Our annual water use (for the state) is around 300M Acre Ft or about 7 Shasta Lakes (40 km3). That's the entire usage for the entire state.

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03/04/2015 1:15 AM

As much as it's rained in and around Sacramento, I don't see the rain as a big of problem as the dust is. The weather lately brings the true meaning of, "Sunny California"

If you d find some rain, please let me know, I'll bottle it and sell it to Southern California!!

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03/04/2015 10:29 PM

This last weekend, we got hit with a nice storm. I'm not sure how many inches of rain, but it came down pretty hard at times.

Anyway, you know how it works; the Cal State Water Project keeps feeding us, so we'll just keep draining the Delta. Just make sure you Northern Californians keep the snow pack up, okay.

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03/04/2015 11:08 AM

Those of us in the south won't need to " buy " any of that sacramento water , we will just " appropriate " it. On the other hand if you got some of that fine Calistoga water, I might just be interested,,,

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10/19/2016 10:04 AM

Newspaper and vinegar works. RainX works too, but costs a lot more.

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